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I built my son’s PC with a Asrock Z790 Pro RS WiFi motherboard. Nothing fancy at all. Literally a dirt cheap basic board that was free. But it really works great! One thing I liked was the bios update process. So, with the Z790 Apex you must download the bios, rename the bios file, drop the bios on the USB, and go and locate and select the bios on the usb drive to update off of that USB. Very simple process. But, on the Asrock I literally clicked “update bios” and it somehow already located my USB drive and selected the bios already and began the process lol. It was almost like magic that it knew exactly what I wanted to be done here.. 🤷‍♂️ It seems to work very well, and it’s 100% stable with his tuned XMP profile. Kids find instability fast. They do some crazy stuff on a PC. Like trying to spawn in 10,000 dinosaurs in a game just to force a crash or see how badly it slows down their system. But considering how amazing the Asrock Z590 OC Formula was, I think Asrock can possibly make some more amazing motherboards.

Thanks! Been tuning it up for him all this morning. Forcing rebar, undervolting the cpu, secondary ram timings etc, GPU max overclock applied. I’ve got the 3060 at 2,145/17,500Gbps. So far it’s already beating a stock RTX 4060 which I think is hilarious. Not sure what they were thinking releasing a 4060 8GB.

You ain’t kidding. I was quite surprised. I was just gonna get my son a used 10900K and a 3060 12GB. Now he’s got him a legit system that’s actually fast! The 12900KS runs nice and cool 66-70C during R23 with the 360AIO. No power limits in place. Using Kryonaut Extreme paste.

I got my 11y/o son’s gaming rig built. It runs really nice too. The cpu cooler is really great considering it’s just a AIO! The CPU and system ram is also very nice. This little 3060 12GB Strix overclocks like a freaking monster!! The cooler is so overkill on it for sure. It’s gonna be a 4060 8Gb killer all day (This GPU at 100% fan runs like 38-40C with the GPU stock) I have the full kit for the lian li to run a vertical GPU with the ribbon cable as well. The case also included the glass panels and mesh panels and vertical GPU kit to my surprise. 😁 All of these parts were 100% donated besides the PSU, and the 3060 😀 Intel 12900KS (Free) Asrock Z790 Pro RS Wifi (Free) G.Skill Trident Z DDR5 6400c32 (Free) (2x16GB) Asus Strix RTX with 3060 12GB ($265) NZXT Z73 360MM AIO (Free) EVGA 1300P+ PSU (Already owned it) (2) 512GB Intel 660P Raid 0 (Already owned) LIAN li 011 Dynamic Evo W mesh kit installed. (FREE)

My fully tuned 8267c36-48-48-48-60 profile with (262k tREFI) works with 1.225V IMC voltage. TM5 under load shows 1.208V which is pretty crazy that it will even run like this 😆. I’m sure many of us are sending too much IMC voltage though. I tried sending low IMC Voltage to my 13900KS, and it wasn’t very happy about it. So I think it does depend on the IMC and chip.

The only real benefit is lower voltages and better stability. If all of the cores are allowed to hit the 6.0Ghz boost while idle, it can inflate your idle VID’s on all of the cores a little more than they should be if it were set for only the two best cores. And for stability as well. But it’s probably fine either way really.

This is how I try to always tune a chip. High idle voltage, or high low load voltages. And low heavy load voltage. These tiny little loads that hit a core really quick and lightly can crash a CPU if that idle voltage is too low. You need to tune your “Per P-Core though” all of your cores are bouncing to (6Ghz) when the chip is using less than (2) cores or idle.

@Talon What did you end up getting that IMC voltage down to?

I think so too. 😁 GPU was just delivered. Probably the nicest 3060 I’ve ever seen. Really big cooler for such a little baby GPU haha. It has 12GB VRAM so it’s not useless either. I wanted him to be able to play games smoothly with 30-100FPS VS. Play games with 1-100FPS. I was not trusting the 8GB route, which was exactly why I passed on the standard 4060. Especially with how poorly optimized newly launched titles are.

I ordered (4) new tires for my wife’s car and FedEx dropped them off at some random address in the City right next to me. The seller (Big Retail Tire company) was trying to launch an investigation before they’d send me new tires out or even refund me. After a week of waiting with no tires , I filed a dispute with PayPal. PayPal closed the dispute and said “Item delivered closed in favor of seller” I had to launch a new dispute with PayPal. And put in caps lock. “PLEASE LOOK AT THE ZIP CODE AND CITY OF WHERE THESE TIRES WERE DELIVERED” 🤣 (Pretty dumb I know) then PayPal was like OHHH! They were not delivered to you. And finally I got my money back right away. I bought some new tires from someone else so all is well now. But it was an ordeal, and why in the world FedEx dropped these tires off in another city was beyond me. I’m not sure. They can mess up pretty bad sometimes though. And even after that it was like PayPal wasn’t even checking my dispute. They literally looked at “Delivered” and went in favor of seller. When it clearly said on the tracking it was delivered in a different city/address than my address, and signed by a first name of someone I didn’t even know. Someone got some free tires! And it wasn’t me.

I’m building my son’s first PC with him this weekend. Below will be his rig. Lian Li 011 Evo black Intel 12900KS CPU Asrock Z790 RS Pro WiFi LGA1700 2x16GB Gskill DDR5 6400 Asus Strix OC V2 RTX3060 12GB NZXT Z73 360MM AIO cooler Evga 1300P+ Platinum PSU Viewsonic XG271QG G-Sync 1440P 165Hz IPS monitor. I think it’s a good system even for today. Much better than my first PC. When I was a kid I did not have my own dad who could get me some PC parts like my son does. 😁

Yes but that’s probably just normal deviation of like 3%. Going from 79 to 90+ would be pretty astounding though. @Rage Set enable XMp and test again. Also, install bios 2102. After installing this latest bios it bumped my mcsp to 89-90 with a cleared CMOS, and mcsp 91-92 with XMP enabled. Testing 2102 has shown good ram OC improvements. Stabilizing 8400c36 was very quick. PS: My mcsp has never hit 90 since owning this chip. Always 88-89 on every bios I have tried. Once installing 2102 I saw it hit mcsp 91 then mcsp 92. This is always a good sign. And I can tell right away with ram overclocking during the stability testing if it’s easier or better. I’ve been ram overclocking on this Z790 Apex for about a year now, and testing this same chip for almost 4 months. I’ve tried 1402/1501/1801/1904/9901/2102. Of all of these 1501 overclocked ram the best, that is until 2102 came along. 😁

The most useful thing with mcsp is merely for using it as our own tool to compare with ourselves. Checking mcsp after swapping to a new bios version. Usually a lower mcsp will result in worse ram OC. So, if I have MCSP 90-92 on bios 1501, but suddenly have MCSP 87 or 88 on bios 1901. This will usually make edge of ram OC stability much much harder for me. This has been a pretty reliable tool for so far. What is your MCSP? Usually high mcsp can run low IMC VDD. Also, your MCSP jumps that much by setting just XMP? It goes up 11 points? Holy cow man. lol. 😂

Anyone know when MSI is planning on dropping the new Mpower Z790 two dimm boards for $199.99? I have not heard anything. Are they in other countries?

I think it might just surprise you! Test it out and see what it clocks to. Also, when you are running stability testing make sure you try tighter timings, it seems some chips will fail stability with loose timings, but easily pass with tighter timings same frequency. My 14900KF is like this. I can load and XMP profile of 8400c40-52-52-52-131 and it fails TM5 in 12 seconds or less, bump ran voltage to 1.500V and it still fails, then I can drop it to 8400 C36-48-48-48-60 and pass anything under the sun with very minimal voltages. It is an odd thing. But was an interesting moment to learn that some chips just LOVE tight timings and won’t work with loose timings.

After hours of research I finally bought a GPU for my son’s PC. I was debating for about 2 days on this. Intel ARC was gonna be perfect, and I wanted to do an all Intel build. Then I find out there’s limited to no VR support. So I go looking at AMD and then I start thinking about drivers and also VR again, and I think maybe Nvidia is the best for reliability and 100% function all the time even if it’s a little slower in rasterization performance, it’s the GO TO. Option (1) RTX4060 (Terrible value, 8GB of vram is crap.. Option (2) RTX4060Ti 16GB (Literally the WORST VALUE in the world.. These things are $440-$500 dollars, making it literally the dumbest buy. It’s intentionally so expensive that Nvidia is forcing you to step up to the 4070 which is still a gimmick because it only has 12GB of VRAM. “We give you more but also less” for this money I can buy my son a AND 6950XT Red Devil which will beat them all 🤨 Option (3) RTX3060Ti, plenty of performance but only has 8GB of vram!!! Option (4) RTX3070 (Only 8GB of VRAM) Option (5) RTX2080Ti (I almost purchased one, it was pretty much the best option price/performance and still has 11GB VRAM) Bought (6) WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER Asus RTX3060 Strix 12GB V2 OC for a whopping $265 USD. ^ The price to performance and ram amount of 12GB sold me for sure. RTX3060 12GB it is. In the end shopping for cheaper GPU’s is really tough.

Yeah VR is very very very popular, so popular I was actually surprised it doesn’t work with Intel ARC. It’s becoming even more popular with all of the standalone devices. Few weeks ago I purchased a Oculus MetaQuest 3 for my self so I can play with my son with him on his MetaQuest 2. These are standalone devices so they can game wirelessly on their own MetaQuest games (Less demanding graphics/physics), but having a PC with a GPU makes all the differences because you can leverage 100% of your PC to run higher end VR games on Steam VR or even MetaQuest on the desktop which aren’t available on just the standalone device. Like a traditional VR headset Valve Index which has to have a PC. If you have not tried VR, then I highly recommend it! Me being 33 years old makes it a little harder to stay engaged or interested with traditional Flat screen PC games, while VR gaming is just amazing! It’s also physically demanding. I have been hooking up VR to my PC for my son since 2080Ti days 😂. Now he’ll finally have his own rig so he won’t be cluttering up mine with all the random games and mods etc.

All good! Had to pass on the Intel ARC due to no VR support for Oculus apparently.

You have any good bargains on used GPU’s? Something not too expensive less than $400? I think you go through a lot of hardware so just checking before I buy something.

Anyone know the max safe DDR5 speed for a 12900KS and a cheap Asrock DDR5 Z790 (4) Dimm motherboard? I skipped 12th gen. So I’m not really sure on this one. Should I aim for XMP 6400? XMP 6800?

This thing is a mad dog. SUB 350 watts at 6.1P/4.9E/5.0R (Water temps 15-16C) upload image

That really makes me wonder what is happening with the mount or bios. Or maybe it is indeed a defective CPU? Not good either way. I don’t think it should idle that high temp wise. On another note. My 14th gen E88 cores are totally happy at 4.9Ghz (Only needs 1.234v load for 6.0P/4.9E/5.0R). I haven’t tried 5.0Ghz E-Core yet, but I have enough voltage head room at this point, It might just happen. (Haven’t tried yet) My R batch with E88 cores are easily the best E cores I’ve tested to date though.

Yeah after seeing the quality people were getting. And seeing my credit card balance. I started feeling a little sick with my self. Thoughts Like, “Why do I need this” “I can spend this money on my wife and kids instead” 🤣 “I’m being selfish” Maybe if I was selling something to re-coup funds I’d be okay. And I’m not selling my 14900KF lol. I don’t even need a 14900KS. One cool thing about Central Computers is, when I hit cancel I had the funds back immediately on my credit card. So I can sleep better tonight. Maybe use it later for buying something I need. Or something I can benefit from.

I cancelled my 14900KS order.

I got me one on the way too. 😂 I shouldn’t have. But just could not resist it. Maybe you or I will hit the lottery! Im gonna run it up against my 14900KF R batch. We’ll see how it stacks up. Looks like these are VERY VERY limited stock. I got one from Central Computers with 2 day shipping. Looks like Newegg is tacking on the usual +$30 scalper up charge.