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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Who likes my new laptop? -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I'd love to see that Strix Halo APU in a handheld! That would be super awesome! Hopefully we can unlock the power limit and push it further than 120 watts for MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE! MWAHAHAHA! I like all my stuff big, including handheld gaming devices. I don't understand why people want such tiny screens in their devices, and I say this as someone who has hawk vision. Small screens aren't very immersive. I'm taking a balanced approach to new deivces that are coming out and not immediately writing all of them off. I like desktops, laptops and handhelds. They each serve their purpose and I make sure to have every tool possible to be prepared for all situations since there isn't a single system that can do it all. I do need to be able to have fun with them though as I hate anything that's locked down. I was able to overclock my Lenovo Legion Go and games perform great on it! You know what would be awesome? A handheld with 2 m.2 slots. Equip one with an Optane P1600X as your boot drive and the other with your storage drive. Bam! Super fast hibernation and wake from hibernation that'll feel like the suspend function on a PS5. -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Indeed, it's the super 10900K I acquired from @Mr. Fox. It's a beast of a chip. This is the same CPU I ran at 5.4 GHz all core in my X170SM-G when first taking it for a spin and am now running in my desktop. My super fast, low latency memory in my desktop was able to give a significant boost to my framerates in games despite using the same CPU, hence why that chip got moved to my desktop, to take full advantage of its capabilities. I remember some dude on either overclock.net or overclockers.com that had a mythical grade 10900K that could do 5.7 GHz all core on air cooling. It sold for about 3 grand. An absolute top tier chip. -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I've been toying with the idea of upgrading the peltier in this cooler with a more powerful one just to see how hard I could push my 10900K. I've been wanting to top your 5.6 GHz all core achievement on it. I suppose this situation gives me an excuse to do that experiment. In any case, I think I'll go ahead and get the Li Galahad II Trinity Performance 360 as @electrosoft recommended so I can at least have a high performing cooler to fall back on should my experiments not be fruitful. I trust your guys' recommendations a lot more than any other group. I just needed confirmation that someone here thought the cooler was excellent, so thank you guys for that! -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
The TEC in my MasterLiquid ML360 Sub Zero cooler seems to have died. I can't get it to come back up anymore and it looks like there's a hardware error code being displayed by the cooler. Does anyone have any tips for reviving a thermoelectric element or is it completely toast? If the TEC is irrecoverable, I heard that the Lian Li Galahad II Trinity Performance 360 is one of the best AIOs on the market. What do you guys think of it? -
I'd always go for high refresh rate 1080p. 1080p resolution already looks good enough to me. Does 4K look better? Yes it does, but the jump in sharpness doesn't justify quadrupling the performance cost to get the same framerate as on a 1080p monitor in my opinion. I find the jump in visual fidelity going from 1080p to 4K to be smaller than the jump from 720p to 1080p. At 1080p, everything looks good enough already, and you'd be better served going for as high of a refresh rate as possible since that would do more to increase immersion than bumping your resolution higher than 1080p. All of this is coming from someone who is a framerate junkie and is super sensitive to refresh rate. I prefer motion smoothness over resolution.
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Now the only thing missing is 11900K support for the X170SM-G🤪
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Nice! I did not know about these so thanks for sharing! Looks like there's a new top dog SSD for me to get. Edit: Did the calculations, and the theoretical max random read on this model is 781.25 MB/sec, or about 20% faster than the theoretical max of a P5800X. Hot dang! I also saw there was a P5810X model, which seems to be the 2.5 inch version of ths P5801X. -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Achieving maximum framerates requires a combination of a fast GPU, a fast CPU (preferably with lots of cache), and the fastest, lowest latency RAM you can get. Throw in some 2nd gen Optane SSDs for super fast loading times and you're golden! I'm definitely hooked on Optane now. I plan on getting some P1600X SSDs in the near future as a P5800X is just way too darn expensive. i wish I could have one of those, but you pay an absolutely insane upcharge for the best technology. Optane scales really well with very fast CPUs. According to my calculations, my 905P will max out at about 355 MB/sec for random reads, the P1600X maxes out at 558 MB/sec for random reads, and the P5800X maxes out at 651 MB/sec for random reads. Currently, the only CPU fast enough to almost max out the 905P's random read is the 13900K, which will get us a random read of around 350 MB/sec (according to reddit users that have this CPU + drive combination). For reference, I get about 256 MB/sec with my 10900K. The P1600X and P5800X will continue to scale with faster CPUs. Eat that NAND! Meanwhile, NAND SSDs will continue dragging their feet in random read/write. Optane is truly going to be our only option for a faster, more snappy system for a while. I've heard some people don't see a difference between Optane vs NAND SSDs, but I think the reason for that is their CPU choice. In this case, your file access times are bottlenecked by your CPU, not the drive. I definitely noticed a difference after swapping from a Samsung 970 Evo Plus to an Optane 905P. -
My X170SM-G is from zTecpc and has the Premamod BIOS. I don't think the stock Clevo BIOS supports XMP either, just custom ones directly from specific vendors. I don't think Crucial has a 32 GB SODIMM with a CAS latency less than 22. The only low latency kits I've seen have been from those with 16 GB or 8 GB modules.
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There isn't one that I know of, but I do know that Crucial specifically listed the kit I bought as being compatible with this model laptop, which is why I got the kit. My Crucial Ballistix 2x 16 GB 3200 MHz CL16 kit was explicitly stated as being compatible with the X170SM-G on Crucial's website. Some vendors have a laptop compatibility list, so you may want to check for that.
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Not unless you can find a vapor chamber the same thickness as the part of the IHS that makes contact with the CPU die. I remember someone on the old NBR forums toying with the idea of doing something like that with their P870TM.
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My kit is a Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz CL16 kit with 2 16GB modules (so 32 GB total). The XMP profile works perfectly in my X170SM-G. I don't know if anyone still sells it but the part number is BL2K16G32C16S4B if you want to search around for it. The voltage is 1.35 volts like that Mushkin kit. Voltages up to 1.5 volts are safe long term for DDR4.
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Looks like the Titan 18 is getting an AMD CPU variant: https://wccftech.com/msi-titan-18-pro-ryzen-edition-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-7945hx3d/
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
This is where Optane really shines. It's significantly faster than Gen 5 drives in anything other than large file transfers. Basically it's better in everything that really matters for everyday usage. I got my 905P for work related stuff and use it as a boot drive, but I figured I'd try loading games from it as well since I already have the drive. Games load significantly faster if I launch them from the 905P. So if you want a real speed upgrade and don't want to wait a few more gens for drive manufacturers to drastically increase random read/write speeds, get an Optane drive while you can. -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Good news for AMD fans. Ryzen 9000 X3D could have overclocking support + a homogeneous CCD design for SKUs with multiple CCDs. If this truly ends up being the case, I may get one myself. This would end up being my first AMD desktop CPU ever. I'm happy to switch camps if AMD's CPUs turn out objectively better than Intel's this coming generation in all metrics. -
Tell me about it. I really liked the 19 inch class of laptops that were out back when I was in elementary school. The alienware mALX was one of the coolest laptops I saw at the time. I'd like those laptops to make a comeback. It's good that the 18 inch class has made a comeback recently, now we need the 19 inch class to make a comeback too. Big screens are awesome. The increased real estate allows you to view more at once when working, and it makes games more immersive. A 19 inch laptop is perfectly portable in my opinion, and I'd be happy to carry one around with me everywhere.
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zTecpc did not sell the X170KM-G model, only the X170SM-G model. In Jedi Fallen Order specifically, my 10900K running at 5.3 GHz across all cores draws 220-225 watts of power and runs at around 203°F (95°C). This is with those cooling system mods from zTecpc + my delidded CPU + a full copper heatspreader from RockItCool for this CPU + liquid metal between the CPU and full copper IHS + liquid metal between the IHS and seatsink + max fan speed. I use Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut as my liquid metal of choice. For kicks and giggles, I tried that other very well binned 10900K I have and ran it at 5.4 GHz across all cores in this laptop. The results were similar as above in Jedi Fallen Order. I tried a Cinebench R15 run at that speed and the CPU drew 275 watts and immediately thermal throttled. These speeds across all cores work well for gaming but maybe not necessarily productivity workloads. The temperatures and power draws will depend on your workloads, but this is a good idea of what you can expect in CPU intensive games when you try maxing out the CPU speeds. The maximum amount of power I seem to be able to push indefinitely through the CPU without thermal throttling in this laptop is around 225 watts with all these mods. You'll also need a well binned chip if you want to see these speeds and not thermal throttle.
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See this folder on @Mr. Fox's google drive. I imagine these mods would help on the X170KM-G as well.
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That is correct. No throttlestop for me, and I always sit on the highest power limit available unless I know I'm going to be on battery power for a while. I have the power limits maxed out and run the laptop at full throttle. The unified heatsink can handle a combined load of 440 watts indefinitely without ever causing any part to thermal throttle. I can do 5.3 GHz all core on my 10900K in this laptop while gaming, even in very CPU intensive games. The super 10900K I have in my desktop was able to do 5.4 GHz all core in this laptop, but I moved it to my desktop as it has a TEC that is able to get the chip to do 5.6 GHz in games. Having said all that, I also am using liquid metal on the CPUs, so that really helps the heat transfer. The zTecpc version of this laptop has a very high quality heatsink along with the mounting pressure modifications, so all that cumulates in a significant improvement in CPU side cooling over the stock version of this laptop model. I like to max out my machines, so I overclock the crap out of all of them. I didn't have a problem with my unit, but I had to wait 3 months to get it from zTecpc (not their fault, they had trouble sourcing parts from Clevo). It was worth the wait though as this laptop is awesome! If only we had options like this for the newest model laptops.
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For user friendliness, the Prema BIOS is mainly for advanced users, but I don't think it should be that hard to navigate for more novice users. I have Premamod on my SM-G and I think it's pretty neat, and it also eliminates the need for Clevo Control Center as you can adjust the power profiles directly in the BIOS. I have mine set to hyperperformance. My personal recommendation though is that regardless of if you are using a laptop or desktop, ALWAYS apply settings through Intel XTU first when you want to mess with voltages and overclocking. I know people swear by BIOS overclocking, but I think that's very bad advice as applying bad settings will brick your system, and unbricking it isn't fun no matter the system you're using. Sure it's easy to recover from bad settings on a desktop, but still annoyng nonetheless. On a laptop, it's a nightmare to deal with. Once you've fiddled around a bit and find stable settings through Intel XTU, then you can apply them in the BIOS if you wish. Personally though, I keep performance and power saving profiles on hand and apply them on demand through XTU.
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@Mr. Fox Would you be ok showing those hardware mods to @Bidelloman if you still have that content?
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I have my own wireless AC dongle that I got for my desktop before doing my upgrade from a 7700K to my current 10900K. I can reuse that for my laptop as my desktop no longer needs it (built in wi-fi on my current motherboard). Do you know if 4 RAM slots @3200 MHz is possible with the SM-G as well? I have the SM-G model.
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Whaaa? That's possible? I didn't know that. I thought the motherboard would cap out at 2933 MHz on the RAM when all 4 slots are populated. Nice to know we can technically fit 5 drives into the laptop as well if we want to. Is the Wi-Fi slot compatible with SATA or NVME drives? The keyboard screws are by the fans, denoted by a keyboard icon.
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Clamibot replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Would you say these Windows X Lite builds are better than Windows 10 LTSC 1089?