Jerryzago

Thank you for the very helpful info. I will look to overclock my CPU, though there isn't much headroom left, since it reaches at 88 degrees on full Load. I used mx-4 on it and currently looking for a better solution. I want to stay away from liquid metal, as I am afraid of it. The GPU with the stock fan control is quite happy. Never goes above 75 even with prolong gaming. It is an 80watt GPU oppose to the 100+ 980m that was in there. Setting PEG mode with the Quadro is a no go. Results in 8 beeps. Similar situation with every GPU past Maxwell. Can you remember the color of the wire. I am not keen into cutting, so I will remove it from the connector and see results?

I am away from home, so I cannot post any images. I have set the trip points a bit lower than default settings. I believe it has 47 degrees. I am not completely sure they work, but fans seem to kick at 50 degrees and previously were at 60. I monitor the temps from HWinfo and RTSS while in game, but fan control from within HWinfo, makes GPU fan stop working, whatever I set as speed value. Speed is 4600rpm for CPU and 3600 for GPU. Do try and test them.

The unlock process is here in this forum. Do make a search and you will find the necessary steps and files. I used the A14+ BIOS. It was a difficult procedure, regarding I had to clear NVRAM after upgrade, and also edit BIOS beforehand to enter my Service tag (it is also explained here). Flashing was easy and since you already have a 4940mx, probably you will not have to clear NVRAM. The settings the BIOS will have, are for that CPU, and because I have a 4710MQ, it failed to post and needed to load setup defaults. After getting it done, I left my Video Settings to iGFX but I could still see the Nvidia GPU both in Bios and Windows. I installed Drivers and it was working without any throttling. I was having fan control issues. HWinfo stops GPU fan from working and only operates CPU fan. I can say that now I run the stock fan curve, and keeps the GPU below 75 degrees (80 for hotspot). I couldn't recreate the throttling issue, untill I found out this menu. Also setting SG mode, resulted in 8 beeps upon restart, and I don't have the 120hz display. PEG also gives 8 beeps (naturally). Messing around with settings, I recreated the throttling issue by doing what I describe in my previous post. Having so low physics score is because of my stock speeds of the 4710MQ. Base clock is 2,5GHz and turbo is 3,5ish..... GPU runs happy though so now that I have narrow it down, I might get an MX but the temps are my concern. My 3940MX hits 100 when clocked to 3,7 at all cores. I believe that 4940MX will have the same behavior. I will take the shot in the near future though.

After many setings and reasearch I am propably able to find out why the 17 doesn't like the PNY RTX 3000. It is unlocked BIOS setings. So I hope my notes will help those with the 40Watt limit. First I have set the video settings to iGFX. It shows both GPUs in Bios and Windows and everything works as it should. Setting iGFX and entering the PCI Express Graphic menu, you can see the next settings Going Back and Setting SG mode, You can see some extra settings Leaving Full dGPU PowerOff Dynamic Scheme and rebooting with SG selected, results in 8 Beeps and GPU has to be removed to post Again. These are the options for that menu Trying everithing (except the last one) everything works, but running a Firestrike, power draw drops to 40watts and Ram Clocks to 200Mhz. So here is what I did. Enter Bios Set Video configuration to SG Enter Pci Express Graphics Memu Select Full dGPU PowerOff Dynamic Scheme Go Back one menu Set Video Configuration to iGFX Save and Reboot Enter BIOS again to Verify from the first menu that iGPU and dGPU is present Enter windows and run a benchmark to verify results. Here are mine. Though core voltage is below 1,0V, power draw is constant at 79watss and clocks don't clock down. Cap reason is Pwr. Do try these settings and post results. Asumming that maybe Alienware 18 has the same settings, maybe this will work for that too. My m18x R2 doesn't have any of the above settings and the GPU doesn't throttle.

Do a complete driver uninstall using DDU and selecting NVIDIA GPU. Use NVCleaninstall for driver installation. Select not the latest version of drivers from the drop down list, add your hardware ID and select the proper Quadro RTX 3000 from the top down menu with the same hardware ID. Select the built package method and then do the driver install. I am also on windows 11 with my M18x R2 and I had to disable the GPU scheduling from advanced graphics settings to stop the constant BSOD all the time

All the steps are correct. Use DDU to remove any drivers in the system. Use Nvcleaninstall software to install the Nvidia driver.

I am using the 552 driver version and the one from Dell's site for the Intel HD. Going through the bios settings, I have set the Video to iGFX but I am seeing both GPUs. In Bios and also Windows this whole time!!! I am not at home, but you could at least try it. I am also on full UEFI if that matters.

I will test and see. It's just a setting in the unlocked BIOS. Edit: Changed the settings back. Throttling is gone. Still the secondary fan is not responding to HW info and have a mind of its own. Maybe the drivers for the HD4300 from Dell's website fixed it. Which they were the latest version available, even from the ones intel have available for download

I am using Nvidia 551.23 DCH and 10.18.10.4252 (from 2015) for Intel on my M18x R2. Physx is there, because like you, I installed it from Nvidias external Package.

Then that is bad. Hope you trace the error. Maybe uninstall that overclocking program. I literally had the same error and it went away after disabling these two settings.

System Display settings Graphics settings Disable - Reduce letancy and improve performance Reboot and test again. Had the same issue after a windows 10 update and thought my GPU was bad. Switched to windows 11 and still the same problem. I also disabled iGPU and everything was going too slow. That setting saved me lots of troubleshooting

I used it. Does nothing

From advanced graphics, disable gpu scaling. It doesn't play well with our systems. Had a post about this issue a while back

HP one? Cause PNY is a no go in editing and BIOS flashing. I wanted to flash HP Bios to PNY and failed miserably

M18x R2 can keep Core voltage to 1,063 all the time and can boost 1890MHz core speed most of the time. 17 R1 cannof for some reason. I still am struggling with BIOS setings to figure why core voltage is so low, depsite board receives 80Watts almost all the time. And yes, CPU impacts the most on Physics Points. 4710 turbo to 3,5 and for a small time window. A 3920mx/3940mx has the 3,5GHz out of the box.

My 17 R1 with 4710mq and RTX3000 https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/114130698?

After "going overboard" and placing a Clevo Backplate, covering almost the Power Supply area, the mosfets side to the Core and applying again fresh thermal paste, I don't think I can get the GPU less cooller. HWinfo doesn't have any control over the GPU fan at all, so tests were made with system fan curves. Here is Firestrike with (propably) better temparatures. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/114130698?

Here is a Time Spy bechmark. No throttling, only Pwr limited https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/114127384? Will do a repad ans see if it gets any better. Also in unlocked BIOS, I have set the Video confuguration to iGFX and I can still see both GPUs in Windows and BIOS. Weird....

Well after having a "blast" trying to flash the unlocked A14+ Bios and trying to find some settings worth my time, I did find that fan no0 (CPU) was at 100% (propably) and fan no1 (GPU) was at 75%. 55 degrees was the kickstart temp for both. Setting fan no1 to 100, finally made it revolve at 3400 rpm all the time, and probably I got a better result in firestrike. Also NO throttling AT ALL. Core speed, Memory speed and Wattage were stable at all times. Though core speed stayed at 1400MHz. Temps were a bit high since Hot spot reached almost 87 degrees, but that can be improved, because due to many experiments I might need to redo thermal pads and thermal paste. It looks promishing though and posibly a cultprint. PNY Bios seems to be more involving in protecting the GPU itself. Firestrike Results https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/114102677?

Here is a log when I run Time Spy to get a basepoint ,where the performce is. 4000 by the way. I have stydied your posts regarding the RTX in the 17 R1. Though it throttles when it reaches 80watt AND 1,06V core voltage and 1800MHz cores speed. Behavior is like back in the days when 980m SLI was throttling on M18x R2 and got solved with the throttle free procedure. I tried to flash the HP Quadro RTX 3000 bios to the PNY but with no luck. It detects is as an older version, but it fails to start programming, even though I set the Bios protection to off with the correspondig command. I only tested the fan in the diagnostics, and since it has a fully working 880m GTX, I was left to believe that it works. I also didn't see it in the HWinfo tabs, not only before I intall a EC compal driver from this forum. Now I see it spins at 2000rpm at max. Also it spins at boot and at shutdown. That I can verify with my eyes. I belive that the sytem that detects that fan is spinning at 2000rpm, is preventing the GPU to run constantly at 80watts. Maybe an PNY Bios interlock, that HP variant doesn't have? A bios editor and a Bios programmer could give us an answer. I have both vBios at my disposal for anyone to compare. Lastly, the HP variant can be flashed with the nvflash64 app freely. I even bricked it once, flashing both bioses found at the techpowerup page. Both Nvidia and Dell vBios, brick the HP one. Lastly I used the 330watt (And 660watt dual PSU) from my M18x R2, so power delivery is not an isuue here.

I jumped on a bargain and got a 17 R1 from the FB marketplace in a decent condition. It has a I7 - 4710 and a fully functional 880m GTX. and the 60Hz screen. Also an almost dead 500GB slow HDD drive that took almost 3min to boot to windows. Lastly battery was missing, 3 keys from the keyboard are also missing and the WiFi adapter (Broadcom E200) was working at 12Mbps atr best. So I went down the upgrade lane. I put an Samsung SSD I had lying around and a Western Digital Black for storage. Internal mSATA is also vacant. I put an Ultimate N6300 for WiFi and tried to benchmarked it. Temparatures were too high so everything had to come off. Thermal paste was bone dry and had to be scraped from both heatsinks. Thermal pads were decent. I run diagnostics prior booting and everything were fine. I went ahead and replace thermal paste for the CPU and replaced the GPU with my PNY RTX 3000. Installation is better from my M18X R2 because the two mosfets left from the core, are now covered from the 3 heatpipe of the 17 R1. Idle without fans were around 50 -55 for both CPU and GPU hotspot. I run a firestrike just to have a general idea of mesurement and I got an error. I disabled the GPU scaling from the Windows settings and fired it up again. Throttling of the GPU was present and core voltage didn't exceed 0,72 Volts. Core speed reached 1800MHz and memory 1700MHz and utilization was at 99%. GPUz reported Pwr and Thermal as throttling reasons (Purple and Green indicators). Temps never ecxeded 75 degrees. But I noticed the GPU fan wasn't working. CPU fan was on full blast when needed. I installed HWinfo and manually set the fans at full blast. GPU fan wasn't revolving at all. Neither at manual setting nor when putting custom values. I dissasembled it and the fun worked when powering on the laptop and when shutting it down. I am pointing out, that when GPU was working perfectly, board power was at 81Watts, Utilization was 99% and clocks were at their limit. Anyone have any idea why each fan has different control? HWinfo Compal EC reports only one fan and speed was set with EC controller turn on and off, but with no luck. GPU fan refused to work. Any Ideas?

I was lucky. I got the HP for 200 euros and manage to grab the PNY for 100 euros. It is not hard, you can do this. I used only hand tools to fabricate a bridge to cover that area I needed. My next project will be to install a 980m at the primary slot and the RTX to the secondary and try to boor in PEG mode. So I will disable the igpu completely, and when I play a game, RTX will take the heavy lifting. Please do provide us feedback and I would like to see your approach during your install

I currently use the HP one. Modifications are necessary. I got an extra heatsink to chop and hack. Also I added an extra bracket to hold the GPU in place. None of the screws align with the board. Also one of the two MXM latches, needs to be removed. So far it's working like a charm. I tried some vBIOS I found online. I only manage to brick the GPU. So I use the original HP one (or at least, the one that came with). PNY/Aetina variant, though it works with original heatsink without mods, screws in place as it should, it has two mosfets in an area thay the heatsing doesn't cover. I used an aluminium block and thermal pads to transfer heat to the heatsink and the northridge heatsink. But it's temps were higher. When I have the time, I will make a post about the HP install.

I have both HP and Aetina/PNY RTX 3000. Both of them work out of the box. HP gpu still has the hp vbios and is working a bit cooler than the PNY one.

Though I am not sure, if that 970m is a g-sync model, it will throw 8 beeps. It only works in SG mode through the unlocked bios