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It is annoying but as you probably know you can continue to Windows when via the ESC button. Can you please check the total time it takes you to boot into Windows? For me it is 2 minutes with a P775TM1 with a modded version of the latest XMG bios. It is clear that 128GB in these machines does have some issues so it might be an idea to pull all the info together in a dedicated thread as it is really hard to come by this information. I got it running with 4 SSDs, a 9900K, 128GB memory @ 2666 and I can still use Thunderbolt for 10G network but I am not sure how many monitors I could still drive in a multi monitor setting.

First of all it is a much more bitter pill to swallow if a manufacturer of socketed like Clevo goes BGA only but that is not the only issue. There is also a lack of successors that are still top of their class like the Clevos of old. If you look at the threads it is mostly about socketed flagship laptops that are kind of exciting whereas a middling effort like the X370 isn't. With everybody else having gone BGA I would not have blamed Clevo as much for a BGA monster with at least 325W combined CPU and GPU power, up to 192GB memory, 4 SSD slots and an 18" screen but instead we get utter mediocrity that is not even that light weight. If it wasn't for companies like Schenker / XMG and some companies that offer Linux systems with the Clevo chassis they would be completely irrelevant by now.

They also have the Prema bios which will help some. The MSI is performing a lot worse than some of the ones on 3Dmark.com but it is pretty clear that lower memory speeds will always hold it back to a degree - that is the price of having a memory architecture that allows up to 192GB memory. I would like to see MSI or other manufacturers try their hand at liquid cooling as Uniwill / Tongfang with their two memory and two SSD slots and only up to 17" just don't do it for me although their performance obviously is very impressive. OK so I have seen the whole thing now and the MSI results strike me as rather subpar compared to what I have seen elsewhere. Still it is obvious that the water cooling will allow much better performance at moderate noise levels and in a stationary setup this should be the way to go. I just would not want to lug a water cooling solution around on the go so it would have been cool to also find out about the performance without the water cooling.

Looks like Eurocom has done something to the fans for their power supply as early iterations were criticized for fan noise for example at notebookcheck.com. The y-cable is my ticket so to say to take the X170 on the road without the hassle of carrying around a trunk full of cabling and power supplies. That always annoyed me and then there was the chore of extracting the whole assembly from its place in the office which also was rather painful. So it works for my use case and power cables are not something magical and with proper isolation there is not really an issue with having a Y-cable. Maybe at some point SlimQ will even produce one themselves which would be much nicer than having to resort to DIY versions.

Obsidian could at least make the latest versions available again - it is not like people will be able to do much with them without a license.

Glad you got the one where the fan speed can be adjusted! How loud would you say it is approximately when you compare it to the fan noise of the Clevo - like the Clevo at 30% or louder?

OK guys, after a 4 month odyssey from SlimQ to a forwarder, then to me, then to a good friend and now back to me I have finally received my Y-cable for my current X170KM-G (10850K and RTX3060) and it seems to work just fine. I connected it while the laptop was running with three screens and other periphery so I first swapped one connection and then the other just in case but it seems that all went well. I did a quick Cinebench R23 and easily made it to 150W on the CPU alone so I am quite happy as at least with the KM-G not even a reboot seems to be needed. Then I made a quick weight comparison of the two complete power supply combos: combo 1: 2 x 280W original Chicony chargers with cage I really prefer to take the cage with me as it makes a setup on the go a lot cleaner 1 x special Y-power cable to supply two adapters from one socket - that saves a bit of weight over two power cables but the main attraction was to have cleaner cable management and only needing one power socket total weight: 5 lbs combo 2: 1 x SlimQ 330W charger with Y-adapter 1 x power cable total weight: 2 lbs So in the end it is "only" savings of 3 lbs but with a lot less volume and hassle on the go and I also can use the SlimQ with all other laptops that I had / have which over the year are or have been from Clevo, MSI, HP, Lenovo and Dell - very convenient 🙂 Now 330W may be stretching it for hardcore gameplay with the biggest CPUs and GPUs and especially with the SM-G with its 200W 2080 Super and Prema Bios but when stationary one can still continue to use the original combo. Then on the go the SlimQ combo is an option with a not too big power reduction that should still be good for something like 250 to 275W combined CPU and GPU usage which I almost never exceed as I like my laptops to be reasonably quiet and with only air cooling even the X170 gets much too loud for my taste beyond a combined load of 200W so the SlimQ fits my needs just fine.

Happy to help, this is what the forum is for 🙂 In defense of the Eurocom it CAN be had for a lot less on Ebay when there is an occasional auction, but: It would only be for one type of laptop while I wanted something that can at least take five different types of tips and that would have been rather expensive with Eurocom. Also the Eurocom is really big and has fan-based cooling that I am told is rather audible and it is VERY big - all not very helpful for traveling.

Thanks, sounded to me that 200W would have been with a stock card so I thought I may be missing something with my system. Sorry to hear that one card did not survive as these are not the easiest cards to come by! And yes, judging by your signature I would have guessed that you kind of prefer Alienware laptops 😉

Ah, so you had an 8th gen CPU with the 2080, that is of course easy. As you wrote GT75 VR I thought you had started out with a model with an Nvidia 1070 or 1080 as those have a different heatsink array. I have only ever seen these being marketed with the "VR" moniker: I am just puzzled that you could pull that much power from the 2080, mine only ever pulls up to 155W despite overclocking in MSI Afterburner while the Area 51m happily goes up to 200W.

The 780W Eurocom power supply is rather big and noisy, I do not think it is a good alternative. The SlimQ version is nice for traveling as it weighs in at not much more than 2lbs when before the total power supply assembly with its rack and cables was more like 6 lbs. That is a lot of weight and volume that one can save when on the road and it is quiet, too and also charges other devices via two USB-C ports, of course only when the laptop is not already pulling 330W! Just one caveat: It it small and light and therefore can get quite hot, especially when nearing its power limit.

After several crashes suffered by using the worthless Clevo Control Center I had to again search for something different to control fans. So I have in the last weeks tested RLEC Viewer and Clevo Fan Control and I have settled on Clevo Fan Control: At first RLEC viewer seemed to have some advantages as it also supports three fans but I only need support for two and for me it has an annoying glitch where at least in my Clevo X170KM-G the fans go briefly down to zero when they ramp down from one temperature bracket speed to another. They would for example ramp down from the 60° to the 55° bracket and there was always an annoying clicking sound in between when the fans turned off and then on again. So for a two fan chassis I would definitely recommend Clevo Fan Control and use RLECViewer only if needed for Clevos with three fans as the third fan is not recognized by Clevo Fan Control in its current state. So far Clevo Fan Control also seems to work reliably and I always turn it on manually on powering up, same as Throttlestop. I have the program and my CPU and GPU temps (via Throttlestop) in the corner of my task bar to be able to check temps if needed (CPU power only as I am not much of a heavy GPU user): From left to right is: temp Nvidia GPU power uptake CPU temp CPU Fan Control symbol I also like the option to quickly ramp up fans to max or 50% if needed or to give control back to the Clevo Default, all via right click on the fan control signal.

This is what it also says with 2.4.9 fan control: So pretty much looks like the latest to me. I have in the last weeks tested RLEC Viewer and Clevo Fan Control and I have settled on Clevo Fan Control: At first RLEC viewer seemed to have some advantages but it has an annoying glitch where at least in my Clevo X170KM-G the fans go briefly down to zero when they ramp down, so they would for example ramp down from 20 to 18% with an annoying clicking sound in between. So for a two fan chassis I would recommend Clevo Fan Control and RLECViewer only for Clevos with three fans as the third fan is not recognized by Clevo Fan Control in its current state.

@Falinov how did you upgrade that GT75VR to the 9980HK? The "easy" way by getting a 9th gen mobo or the hard way by replacing the CPU? Of course the easy way is not really easy as you also have to make changes to the heatsinks or source different heatsinks so I am curous how you did it. Still a fan of the GT75 chassis as it has the very best mechanical keyboard, up to 5 NVME and one 2.5“ slot and the earlier versions also have 10G network. And putting 128GB of memory in there also is very straightforward and much less complicated than it can be in other gaming laptops. Too bad that in the 9SG the 2080 is limited to 155W when 200W could be cooled just fine.

Hopefully you'll get the version that allows for fan speed adjustments as the non adjustable version will unfortunately require some closed-back headphones, preferably with noise-cancelling on top 😄

Would not hurt to do the math but I can see that you would not want to do it if this is all built by hand.

Very nice! Too bad that it above the cabin luggage limit for several airlines I travel with.

Have you tried a Linux boot stick? I use Ventoy and it is very helpful to have a look at different distros: That may be the least effort required and you can throw a bunch of distro isos on there and with a bit of luck something like Nobara will allow you to gain some further insights into the (lack of) capabilities of your Radeon:

I had a look and I would be sceptical if those two would be large enough for an 17.3" or 18" laptop. My favorite combo would probably be the Everki ContemPRO 17 with a regular suitcase unless the laptop has to be very deep (320mm and above). On flights with carry on luggage that would probably be too much and if you want something that can be used in trolley form Everki has that, too with the Wheeled 420 case. I have to admit that I do not see that much value in getting a special trolley based solution for laptops when it is clear that they are rare but there are many great suitcases with a trolley that I would personally prefer going on trips via airplane. I use the Everki Titan myself and in fact it is wide enough to fit the very deep Clevo X170 and MSI GT77 laptops but it can also get quite heavy.

Better save that for when you have 25G 😄

For new installations indeed cat8 seems to be the way to go for copper cables but if I already had cat7 everywhere I would not get all worked up about it as 10G is still plenty fast.

With Killer being known for their "reliability" one does not immediately think that the cable is the culprit so that is an unexpected - and cheap - solution! 2.5G is nice as in my experience it works fine with even cat 5e in short runs and with cat6 for everything else, no need for cat7.

528.24 It is indeed the last driver where I found somebody mention that the slider works. You may want to search people who mention others but that one has been confirmed on Techpowerup. I have no experience with the fans on Taobao or elsewhere I just typed in P870TM fans so you will have to check - in the end nobody here has ordered any fans as of now so you would probably have to be the guinea pig. Shame that it is much easier to find fans for the P775 and X170. As for the LG C1 it has less than 800 peak nits and around 130 to 125 nits full white, that is pretty well documented like for example here: It also dimms when brighter areas are on screen for too long. The LED has probably more like 5 to 7 times as much brightness in full white so you may want to keep that in mind for other applications apart from gaming that require you to look at a possibly much brighter screen. I still have a bunch of programs where this is the case.

Yep, it is unlikely that Intel will make a separate announcement just for that. It would also see more tempting for the development teams of all manufacturers to work on a new chassis when they really can go with new technology for a lot more components / parts. There are new developments with regard to memory, SSDs, screens and screen sizes already but it makes more sense to put it all together when some of that has matured / becomes more widely available and then it can be paired with next gen CPUs and GPUs. It also seems that with next gen we may finally see Thunderbolt support in high end mobile AMD CPUs so that will be another option for manufacturers that is not available this year.

Nvidia driver 528.24 should still work with the power limit slider but you could also reduce voltage on later driver versions with the MSI afterburner curve tool. That Eurocom power supply has been tested to work with the P870 and there has been an old thread about it on the notebookreview forum, you may want to check the archives. For fans you have to go on a chase on sites like Taobao which is not easy to navigate but it seems there is at least a fan with a higher number of fins for the GPU. About the display: 1000 nits will be a lot brighter than OLED when there is a lot of white in the picture and I doubt that this level of light output is that easy on the eyes. Myself I was already annoyed by a 400 nits display that I could not adjust for a while. So I would rather go with one of those 400 to 500 nits LCD panels with 120 or 144 Hz and have less issues even if brightness cannot be adjusted and it should also be less costly.