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Looks like you have maxed out your chassis then which is excellent in my book 🙂 Speaking of maxing out a chassis I had a bit of fun with my GT83 with 1080 SLI and the 8850H recently and set the top TimeSpy for that one: This is before a repaste and the CPU got really toasty at up to 99°C Repasting the GT83 is a huge annoyance, worse than anything else I have done before apart from the usual fun that one can always have with things like stripped screws or other broken parts. I usually try to avoid silly devices that cannot be opened properly or need opening at the wrong side of the motherboard but that is not even the issue here. The issue is the completely ridiculous construction that MSI decided on for the CPU-cooling that probably takes first price for most ridiculous contraption ever with a heatsink that is just screwed on top of another heatsink with a tacked on fan for good measure - way to go, MSI! It does not help that to top it all off the SLI cable barely stretches over that contraption and makes it impossible to work on it without compromising the SLI cable - not really a great idea in my book. So I will have to put in some significant amount of time for a repaste and have shied away from it for now. In any case the score does not pop up anywhere because of the unsupported driver. I will have to find a driver that a) works and b) is still supported Oh and last time I looked the power draw briefly exceeded 500W for a run - the 8850H certainly is a bit more thirsty than its 7xxx Kaby Lake predecessors!

Indeed - excellent program if you ask me 🙂

Not sure about the 240Hz variant but this should fit and not break the bank: https://www.ebay.com/itm/134708134109?hash=item1f5d3b00dd:g:0HIAAOSwUSdk7mVu&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4OSzOj0QftfxS6yMqAdCCqO5j5sRvlU%2BUIPJ4f6VCp2SqmW7Mi3nZvW5GUqipxDDuDppviEjoJJn%2BMWGW4F1z9A5ePsZD%2FF2XIKjVf6mUgO%2FbKJHtEYyPzwIiMyKFhx2PmW0695LpXeOcO8CdEmQaEfwCch4OdFI5HU%2FHdtOkyDp8uBXwc73PsAmp%2BgWzmYwKKnMBD1iVCBxH1Lkqey3sXS8VI9Fdzcn4j1WR9uLruJVOGLefCxhGKORWvBd23ygw8Uswyf5QlPlB80PJUO2Oyg7SzlwU3kH5NUHslgJ120f|tkp%3ABk9SR5LxmOyAYw The 165Hz panels are a drop-in for the 1080p 144Hz variant in the Clevo X170KM-G and SM-G. As you only have a 2070 I would expect QHD with 165Hz to be plenty.

I just checked and no, a U.2 drive sadly does not fit in the battery compartment 😄 I did a test however, here are some sustained writes for the 4TB Transcend: It is an OK drive from what I can say but it is about 50% more now on Amazon UK than I paid a few months ago - crazy!

As I do not currently have a desktop in need of massive amounts of SSD storage I have not looked into the U.2 drives that much but they pop up all the time in searches due to their quite low per TB prices. I think they consume a bit of power compared to other drives but then they come from environments where that does not count that much. The 7.68TB Sata do not though, they are quite well-behaved. I moved to strictly disregarding absolute numbers and see things on a per TB basis so I can live with 7.68 instead of 8. It is a bit depressing as with added overprovisioning my RAID 0 ends up at "only" a usable 13.2TB but that is still pretty big and would have been hideously expensive not too long ago.

I am talking about other drives than the rgular 2.5" Sata drives that indeed max out at 8TB. I have two of these that I have used in my DTRs: Nice and reasonably fast. However let me introduce you to the wonderful world of faster and higher capacity 2.5" drives 😉 You can get drives with 15.36: and even with 31.72TB: Last I looked Intel U.2 drives with 15.36 can actually be found at reasonable prices and at 7.68 even at really low prices, look for P5520 or P4326.

If you have that kind of adapter it is indeed possible but in that case I would rather get with an 8TB 2.5" TLC Samsung - these drives are really nice and often pop up on ebay and they are faster and cooler than the Transcend drives that get quite hot. They are also relatively slow in sustained writes, around 370MB/s iirc. So unless you want to max out a single Sata M.2 slot I would stay away 🙂 Although on a desktop I would probably be a snob and always go for U.2 drives - they go even higher in capacity and can be had relatively cheap at the 7.68TB size: https://www.ebay.com/p/28044523625 You will need some adapter though to make them work but if you get it to work it is a lot of fast storage for little money 🙂

Guess what I have in my X170: Is it still nowhere to be found in the US?

The Janktop is a fantastic idea if one is traveling by car but if I decided to jank something like that around I would want it to take a bigger screen than current 18" laptops. I found a 21.5" LG screen with 4096 by 2304 pixels that I think is pretty cool but it is only rated for 60Hz so gamers will not be pleased. Other than that it is slim pickings from 18" up to 21.5". Not surprising as those sizes are considered to be too small for a desktop monitor and too big for a laptop screen.

Always have been, always will be. When I tell people that I have a laptop that can act as a 48TB mobile server they look rather puzzled 😄

One of my MSI laptops (WT75) has a total of 26TB now, all TLC: 2 x 8TB Samsung Sata in RAID 0 with sustained ca. 900 write and 1000 Read, they quite often pop up on ebay 2 x 4TB NVME 1 x 2TB NVME In the M.2 form factor and as of today one could get 4 x 4TB TLC drives for the price of the cheapest 8TB TLC drive over here! Those 8TB TLC prices are ridiculous and I expect them to go down when more manufacturers enter the marketplace and until then I won't buy. Or to put it the other way round: With what I have saved on the drives compared to getting even 24TB with 3 x 8TB drives the laptop was free 😄 Oh and my X170SM-G has a total of 14TB with 1 x 2TB and 3x 4TB.

Nobody has been in that room for some time now., everybody left. MSI and Alienware after 10th gen und Clevo after 12th gen. An AMD machine with 16 P cores would be quite cool (pun intended) and it would take care of the needed PCIe-lanes.

Pretty sure it supports 8x MXM lanes - it has to or NVME speed would be pretty limited.

Which mod do you mean - the add-on card for 4x NVME SSDs? How can we find out how many lanes are used in products of other manufacturers? I have a GT83 here and performance wise it is right up there with what Clevo had to offer in the P870 chassis so I would expect that there are 8 lanes per MXM slot.

That is quite crazy, I thought only ViktorV had that special MXM to 4xNVME module or at least I have never seen a price for it? @ViktorV is that your listing?

The last laptop that could take a socketed chip was the Clevo NH55 two gens ago, it was a quite pathetic effort with a 15.6" screen and only 2 SO-Dimms and NVME slots each. Obviously the socketed design should have been reserved for a successor of the X170 but I guess that Intel paid well in order to make them produce the laughable X270 instead... The only laptop ever that could take 5 NVME SSDs (and an MXM GPU) was the MSI GT75 in its 8th (some models), 9th and 10th gen revisions which is even longer ago. It was also the last laptop I know of that could take a total of 6 drives, since then we have seen 5 only in one HP model and all others have gone down to at most 4. The only laptop that can currently take 4 SO-Dimms and 4 2280 NVME SSDs is the Zbook Fury G10, it also has a proprietary socketed GPU that could be swapped but it has no fan control worth mentioning and only a 16" display plus its power limits are laughably low last I looked. The currently most powerful laptops seem to be the all soldered Tongfang, Lenovo and Asus units with the RTX4090 and from what it looks like they can easily reach more than 300W CPU and GPU power when modded but only then. Not fun if something goes wrong there with a Mobo that has both a soldered high end CPU and a hideously expensive soldered RTX4090 on it! All of them only allow for 2 x 2280 form factor NVME and 2 SO-Dimms which is obviously pathetic especially for the 18" models. Personally I think that going forward it would be great to have the stacked NVME design that HP uses even if it proves to be reliable as it will also assure that those laptops will not be ultra slim which will also allow the heatsinks to be thicker. Having them put in an array could even allow for some sort of active cooling for them as I think it will be quite important to move them air over them. With regard to power there will always be aftermarket solutions so I would not worry about it too much but of course the manufacturer acknowledging that more than 330W can be used would be a big vote of confidence that the chassis can also use more than 330W. Just do not do it in the stupidest way possible like Clevo did with the X170. As for 5K screens I do not think so but I am hopeful we will get a nicer selection of resolutions for 18". Currently we have 1920 x 1200 and 2560 x 1600 and hopefully they will add 3840 x 2400 for workstations that really need 4K. Despite so much potental in certain aspects here and there we have to say that overall things are looking pretty bleak and I only have very little hope that we may see something socketed soon. But if we do then next gen AMD would be a good candidate as they now also allow for Thunderbolt support which was always a big issue for workstations and always the reason why almost all top models were Intel only. As for Intel next gen would also be interesting as that socket could in theory be supported for some time even though we know that since Skylake and its successors that has not happened any more.

Same here, never used a stock cooling pad.

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Will let you know but it is indeed a bit tricky to contact that guy as he is only on taobao 🙂

I was intrigued by this heatsink and I dug up some more info about this as the seller is quite interesting. He claims that this version is good for about 165W of heat dissipation for the CPU with no real world limit to the GPU. There are a few funny things coming out of the translator like that this is a heatsink that is only suited for freaks with strong hands but there is also a lot of useful info and I managed to dig up a document with a number of pics, here is the monster heatsink mounted in the P775: And here is the new butt Alienware-style, looks like it has to be riveted to the old bottom cover: mounted, probably around 2.5 to 3cm deeper: Looks as if one would need a flashlight to find the connectors on the back :D He also has some special fans that he highly recommends for the bigger heatsink as throughput from the shoddy stock fans won't be enough: There is also a less extreme heatsink that would fit in the existing case and from what it looks like without any cutting but he could also make the heatpipes all go through which I think would be preferable if one often has CPU-heavy workloads: Feeling a bit tempted now to get one of those heatsinks and a pair of those fans 😄

Hehe, got two of the coolermasters, too - bought one off a forum member with 2 x 140mm Noctua fans - very nice.

Luckily I have a pretty nice solution I built for myself that offers a moderate reduction in temperature with little to no audible noise so I am not in need of getting one of those. I also happen to think that most of the cooling pads have a pretty obnoxious gamer-look. My eyes are bleeding:

I am surprised that there is not that much effort to produce a cooler that allows to: - achieve better cooling than the laptop alone with the same noise level or - the same cooling with a lower noise level Oh well, good for people who like to wear hearing protection around their laptops 😄

Power supplies do not deliver more power than your laptop needs but just enough. With the same power draw and with a given design a bigger power supply will be cooler as you will only use part of the power that it is capable of delivering even in heavy use. As for power supplies and their reliability I have had very few issues with any manufacturer but the 200W power supply for my Zbook is indeed getting very hot, probably the hottest of all my laptop power supplies. Agreed on HP build quality - it is really good and I also like the way that you open and service their workstations so easily, very well made.

One thing that came to mind as I benched my GT75 with only a 230W power supply with hilarious results: How big is your power supply? There is a chance that you will see a bit higher scores with a bigger power supply so you might try to get at least a 280W or even better 330W power supply for testing assuming that you have a 200 or 230W power supply. A bigger power supply has the added benefit of running cooler (the HP power supplies often run very hot) and it allows you to use the smaller regular one for traveling. The big ones have become quite unpopular but I think they are fine for stationary use so I would check that out - with your 3060 opened up 200W COULD be a limiting factor.