1610ftw
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I agree that the chassis can take 200W from a 3080 and especially in the case of the P870 also 220 or even 250W but not sure how much power would be OK for the card itself. 200W would probably be OK but 220 or 240W? Regarding higher power draw verification I recently used HWinfo to verify going from a 180 to a 200W bios for an Alienware 51m. Max power draw before the mod was ca. 182W and after the mod ca. 202W.
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One would not want to not overdo it with the power consumption as it is likely to reduce the lifespan especially of the top end cards and especially the RTX 3080 is still rather expensive. I would guess that it is less of an issue for a 3070, 2070, 2070 Super or RTX4000.
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Hi guys, got an Area 51m for playing around a bit - it came with just about everything (mouse, sleeve, original box, backpack) so I could not resist 😄 Overall I have to say that the hardware seems to have some potential but the bios is and the ACC, too. Is there a recommended Geforce driver / ACC combo? As I did a factory reset I am now always bothered with a suggestion to update the ACC but I fear that the version that I will be installing is not the recommended one - had that with the bios already but now I am on 1.5.0 and I also have the 200W vbios. Ideally I would prefer if ACC only sets the things that I cannot set elsewhere which is RGB, fan mode and power mode and then I could use MSI Afterburner and Throttlestop for the CPU and GPU. Oh and kudos going out to @Tech Freak who posted the instructions for the bios stick on the old forum and @ssj92 who put a download up where I only had to swap in the bios file I wanted to first get to 1.12.0 and then in a second step to 1.5.0. And to @i.bakar for starting this thread and asking some questions that I also had. Can't say that I much like the answers as the 51m seems to be a pretty locked down design but given that I will say that it still benches decent but not great.
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Too bad, I thought this was a reusable solution 😞 I guess in the grand scheme of things it is good that people now get this product from Gelid instead of something inferior but to those of us "in the know" this is not helpful at all.
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I like to be able to move stuff around and I also like the challenge of getting high performance in a laptop form factor and I only need high CPU performance. I mainly really use GPUs for benching and that SLI rig has never ever gamed since I have bought it so there is that. As for a suggestion for somebody who is gaming I would say that if you do not move around most of the time I would indeed suggest to go with a desktop and a less powerful laptop if needed. I would estimate that you will pay roughly the same for either a 5090 laptop or a combo consisting of a 5070 laptop and a 5080 desktop that is more powerful than a 5090 laptop if things stay as they are with this generation.
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I think I even went to up to 16200 or 16400 with another GT83 (don't ask) but I would have to check. I suggest to get you that vbios but how can I get it off the card? Never done that so far and I will only have time to work on that 870TM next weekend so if you can give me some pointers that would be much appreciated.
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Indeed battery life is rather disappointing but using it for 2 to 3 hours is possible with lighter workloads. Or you can game for about 30 minutes 😄
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The X170KM-G has these bios options for internal graphics: Auto Disabled Enabled Auto does not really seem to make a difference and maybe would work when there is no Nvidia GPU present but Enabled shows the Intel GPU in device manager. So what you want to do could work quite well, just don't expect much longer battery life.
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Quick question about the Obsidian fan control: Do you still use it and does it still work properly aside from the licensing / registration issues? If that is the case it would be really cool if they would open it up and make it a free software. That would of course be great for people who did not want to buy it but it is also more fair to paying customers for whom it is now essentially broken in cases like yours where you aren't getting any support when you have licensing issues and downtime without the software working.
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Cinebench R15 is a good test, I think I can complete it at about 215W power consumption with 5.2GGhz all core but I have to recheck. Not sure if more would be possible but my bios seems to have some kind of limit where I cannot really go above 220W sustained on the CPU anyway which is probably better for longevity... Regarding that super sample it looks like it would give you approximately another 0.2GHz over your already very good sample in the laptop and another 0.2 to 0.3 GHz in your desktop system which at the high end is very impressive. To me I would be interested in using it at something like 5 GHz at lower fan speeds and therefore noise levels as it is really nice to be able to have high performance without the high fan noise that our laptops develop at full speed.
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State of Clevo in 2023, especially regarding durability?
1610ftw replied to yhancik's topic in Sager & Clevo
And you could run that 2015 laptop with a 2018 CPU and 2021 GPU - THAT's what upgradeability should look like! -
Clevo P751TM with 9900K maximum OC power draw on mobo
1610ftw replied to Csupati's topic in General Discussion
I doubt that you will be able to sustain much more than 150 to 160W on a semi-constant basis and with a special heatsink. Maybe up tp 200W with a single run of cinebench but not for very long. -
Not sure - with the 9900K for example I have tried to find a reasonably priced binned one for some time and then just picked the best of a bunch from a number of them that I got at random. Might be easiest to first have a look of what you already have. To get an idea you may for example have a look at how much power your 10900K draws with 5 GHz on all cores with sensible undervolting applied. My really nice sample is seeing a peak draw of 180W after one CB23 run, that is with settings that are stable for everyday use but I have set my all core speed in everyday use to 4.8 as that is enough for me. I measure the power consumption with Throttlestop as I also use that for undervolting and setting multipliers. I also have a good 10850K from some superhero edition that needs about 200W to complete the same run so if you are at 200 or below that is probably already pretty good. @Clamibot may have the best 10900K among us so maybe he can also give us a point of reference with regard to power consumption - if he can do 5.2GHz on all cores than he may have an even better sample as my 10900K cannot quite make it there although it is still running nicely at 5.1 Ghz all cores and a power consumption between 204 and 208W. Oh and all of that is stock except for slightly improved air throughput via the ventilation grills and with no external cooling but with the fans at full speed and the back lifted by about 5 or 6cm. Temps for all of the tests up to 5.1GHz stay at 89°C or below.
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Damn ! My board in the 870TM1 only draws 200W! Is there a readily available vbios that I could use to go higher?
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Women can be so cruel 😄
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How is the noise level of those power supply fans? I read somewhere that they are always on regardless of the temperature of the power supply.
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Something to consider! Also I would NOT be pleased if I lost the ability to adjust brightness with a 1000nits LED panel so not sure if that could also be an issue with that panel. I had that problem with a QHD panel that I put into an MSI and it was already annoying to always have about 400 nits even in the dark - it was basically unusable for me without the ability to adjust brightness. Oh well, I guess there are always sunglasses when you cannot turn down the brightness for that 1000 nits LED monster 😎
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Yep, that is a very nice laptop, still very happy with it 🙂 This is why socketed CPUs are so cool - you can look around and get a sample that is a lot better suited for laptops than others that can consume up to 30% more power at a given speed. Both my golden samples allow for 5.1 GHz all cores with a moderate amount of power and with 4.8 to 4.9 GHz all core speed they are actually still in a very sustainable power and temperature range for laptops while still allowing 5.3 and 5.2 GHz single core speeds despite being undervolted. With the current state of things if a manufacturer would offer a DTR 18" with a socketed laptop that would already be very cool if it was AM5 or alternatively 15th gen Intel. The important thing would be to have an upgrade path for one or two generations, something that we have not had since Clevo and MSI allowed for updates up to Coffee lake refresh. As for the GPU we have to accept that it is not up to Notebook manufacturers so I would be OK with a soldered GPU as long as I do not have to get the top GPU to get a socketed CPU.
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This has been gong on for some time now, it is quite ridiculous. Overall the CPU cooling of these Clevo units probably is the best even without liquid metal and adding a leaf blower as a cooler. I bought the SM-G from brother @electrosoft some time ago and that one has a fantastic CPU and very good heat dissipation with the stock heatsink. I just did a 30 minute CB R23 run (16357) with the CPU consuming up to 169W and the temperature never went over 86°C - that is VERY impressive and the best laptops today would maybe manage 125 to 135W with that temperature. That is also only about 4.5% below the best result for a single run so a very high output can be sustained for a very long time.
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State of Clevo in 2023, especially regarding durability?
1610ftw replied to yhancik's topic in Sager & Clevo
Great story and indeed your next purchase could be a bit pricey if you stay with a laptop. If again you want at least 3 drives that alone will probably narrow down the selection to only a handful of models in each generation. In the current generation and to my knowledge this is only offered by one model each from Clevo, HP and MSI and three models from Dell. -
Looks like that panel can be found here: https://www.blisscomputers.net/razer-blade-pro-17-ne173qhm-ny2-boe09d9-17-3-screen-262068/
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As you can see it is not that easy - you need a special version of that panel. Imo it is worth it though to find it as QHD is the best compromise when you find yourself in situations where you want to open web pages or other stuff side by side - that stuff does not really work that well on a FHD panel.
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That is indeed what it looks like - FHD 240 for the SM-G and 300 for the KM-G. OK, remembered there was a thing with QHD and the KM-G. Search for GSYNC and you will find apost by @wilpang and he had the QHD 165Hz panel with GSYNC. Seems rather tricky though to hunt down the right panel as @solidus1983 also earlier in this thread seemed to have the right type but not quite as it later turned out. So when you buy a panel you may want to look for a supplier that guarantees Gsync functionality with the KM-G.
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Regarding the keyboard, what are the differences from R1 to R2 and are these per key RGB? How would you say they compare to the keyboard on an the last of the old Alienware 18? I also like that on the X170 I am able to finely dial in the fans - is that possible on the Alienware or does it have some kind of auto fan modes like low, medium high? I agree that it is nicer to have 4 memory slots, shame that two slots were dropped on the R2.
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I would want to point out a few more differences about these Alienware laptops compared to the X170: the heatsink in the R1 is not as capable as the heatsink in the Clevo but the heatsink in the R2 is probably closer there are different display panels for the Clevo, you have a selection of 1080p 144 and 300HZ, QHD 165 and 240Hz and UHD 60 and supposedly also 120Hz serviceability of the Clevo is better than the Alienware which can affect you if you are into frequently working on your laptop the palm rest on the Clevo is aluminium , the palmrest on the Alienwares is rather rubbery and usually wears off to a degree the Clevo will take 3 x NVME SSDs and one m2 Sata SSD, the Alienware R1 will only take 2 NVME SSDs and a 2.5" Sata SSD, not sure about the R2
