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PassMark demolition of the 13980HX: https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-9-7945HX-gets-ridiculous-on-PassMark-by-brushing-aside-the-Intel-Core-i9-13980HX-and-squaring-off-against-the-i9-13900KS-instead.700308.0.html Quite the powerhouse with 16 equally strong cores while Intel continues to only have 8 P-cores. Looking forward to see what it can do in some workstations but I doubt we will see much of it in the higher end versions that usually have some kind of Intel / Thunderbolt combo.

And now back to the most disappointing card in this generation: In early leaks it looked like it would be the best bang for the bucks as it supposedly was pretty close to the 4080 mobile but somebody at Nvidia possibly did not like it and changed its fate from best to worst - a roughly 50% increase in Time Spy score going from a 70 to an 80 card must be a first: At least people with a laptop with the 2080 or better do not have to worry about upgrading - not worth it for this kind of performance.

Looking at the current generation it looks like the goal is to have a TDP that is low enough to allow the GPU to be adequately cooled in a 6 to 6.5 lbs laptop and with 175W this does not seem to be much of an issue so now all manufacturers can deal with more important things like who has the most garish design and the most RGB bling. The Alienware m18 will be an interesting test case as it is substantially bigger and heavier than the competition so if it sells well we may again see GPU and total system TDP lifted and with it an increase in weight and size across the board.

Good choice on behalf of your friend. I would also believe that warranty options and sound will be better on the m18. Also it has better connectivity and there are two additional m2 slots although due to their size they are of limited use.

Without taxes the 4080 in its cheapest config comes out to $2251,65 with your 15% coupon and with the mechanical keyboard and an upgrade to W11 Pro we are looking at $2375,74. Not too bad for a much more solid chassis than the Asus G18.

I feel a bit dumb - looked like a normal picture to me 😄 That screen may indeed be bigger but not sure I like the way this was done - it is not really an elegant solution to say the least. So kudos for the other stuff but not a fan of the screen that I would like to see in the original case.

You are a very impatient person, I would have bet that you were going for the 13980HX just because 🙂 Not that it would make much of a difference outside of benchmarks. And you are right about the pricing, with the 15%off the 4080 / 13900HX version is a pretty good value by the way, should come out to something between 2.2 and 2.4K I believe.

I was expecting more of an information about a screen or should I say panel mod but I only see two GPUs?

nice price point...

Thanks for doing that and with 85°C at max stress testing it does not look like 5GHz all core is all that much with your water cooling setup - those are excellent temps!

Excellent temperatures, looks like you could run that CPU at 4.9 or 5.0 GHz all cores 🙂 How easy is it to connect and disconnect and does the fluid have to be drained out of the heat sink for mobile use?

93 degree does not look too bad - how many watts can it sustain in the end? I just checked a P775 that I have here at the moment and it can do about 110W and 96°C with a 10 minute run, no cooling pad or bottom cover modifications. That is with the separate heat sinks for GPU and CPU.

Thanks to you - my pleasure 🙂

I think that the heat sink still isn't big enough to dissipate even more heat, it just isn't that much metal there to make a big difference when both CPU and GPU are running. It would be interesting to know how high you can go with only the CPU running something like CB R23 multi core as it is very well possible that this design lends itself well to CPU heavy loads with little GPU involvement. For more improvements in heavy gaming I would probably go for the water cooled version as that should run a lot cooler and most important more quiet but at least right now that isn't very tempting considering price and complexity of such a solution.

The whole argument is not about profitability any more for a certain product or even excellence at a possible cost of losing a bit money on a flagship product - yes, companies did that - but it is about pandering to a certain lower denominator above which nobody shall rise any more. The 250W ceiling that EVERYBODY adheres to looks very much as if it is something that came about due to some backroom deals between manufacturers who do not want to compete any more for performance but for the most RGB glitz and who has the thinnest and the sleekest with the smallest screen bezels.

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@bodosko - that GT75 is a magnificent machine, will be hard to top that design and connectivity and say goodbye to 4 memory and storage slots each unless you get the last gen GT77. Sad current trends of slimming and dumbing down laptops aside the last generation MSI units can be about as non-flashy as it gets when you take the Vector or GE76/77 and even the GT77. If a 3070Ti with 1080p is enough you could get the GP76 if you want to move up to QHD take the GE76 if you want a better CPU, too and QHD that would then be a case for the GE77 more memory and storage options and more quiet cooling? take the GT77 To my knowledge you can switch off all RGB on all of these and I have tested this myself on the GT77 that can be configured to have no RGB lighting at all. The MSI units have a number of benefits and you know them so not sure if you want to look into other designs. If you do look at others maybe go for Tongfang / Uniwill that are sold by Eluktroniks and others like Cyberpower. You even have a water cooling option for them and they can be configured to look very plain. Eluktroniks has @Prema modded options which may be interesting but I am not quite sure if that would still be in the 2500$ upper limit of your budget. Please not that their screens are 17" and therefore more narrow but in return you get some added height and an overall slightly bigger screen. Legion has some understated looking models when it comes to the case and so do HP it seems but both to my knowledge miss the easy bios overclocking abilities of the MSI and they do not really have something like the easily adjustable fans that you find on MSI units including cooler boost so if you are coming from MSI that may be a consideration. If you are looking for something understated that does not break the bank for this generation you may want to look at the 18" Acer with an 18" screen. The Asus units are interesting only when you do not mind that they scream I AM A GAMER which is rather unfortunate. If you can live with that the G18 with a 4070 or 4080 could be interesting.

Looks to me as if you have a bad implementation of LM. Do the fans ramp up when you run CB23 and what is your single run and 10Min. result? What is your graphics score on 3Dmark? Around 13.5K or better would be a decent result and nothing to be ashamed of.

pm sent, still tempted by that silicon lottery 10900K...

Have you checked how much life is left in your battery? My son has a battery that is essentially dead in his P870. It probably was constantly charged to 100% and that killed it. Now it does not even last long enough to go with it from one room to the next. Apart from not having a charging technology that properly preserves the battery It looks to me as if Clevo did not really make much of an effort to save energy in these desktop replacement designs. It is clear that the Intel desktop processor is not the issue with consumption below 5W in my case and less in yours yet total system power consumption is around 30W even without a dGPU. That is way too much and just not a very good design when it comes to energy efficiency and given a 96Wh capacity of the battery. To be able to comfortably use the X170 for about 4 hours and taking into account that we do not want to deep discharge or overcharge the battery 20W seems like a desirable number but it is far removed from the power that the X170 really needs.

I am using a 10850K and it is now using 3W in iGPU mode while playing a YouTube video. Looks like the iGPU mode and 60Hz refresh for the 1080p panel are helping to stretch use to about three hours. Wifi is switched on, bluetooth is switched off and brightness is at 20%. Still not great but good enough to get some use out of battery mode. I did not try to kill a bunch of processes or other exotic stuff just a battery optimized energy mode and a battery optimized Throttlestop mode with turbo boost deactivated which is still plenty. Throttlestop tells me that the CPU is at slightly less than 40°C and at 3W according to the info icons in the tray, this has been confirmed by HWmonitor.

IQ test as in you are stupid if you are buying it instead of a currently much cheaper 3070Ti laptop 😄 Of course this is not completely true as there may be other reasons for getting a laptop that has this GPU like a superior CPU and/or a bigger screen.

Has anybody checked battery life with the unlocked bios and found a good combination of bios/other settings that would significantly increase battery life? I am currently running my KM-G with supposedly only the iGPU and still the battery does not last for more than two hours with a bit of youtube playback which frankly is pathetic when the CPU itself only consumes between 3 to 6W of power - there must be a lot of power consumption going on elsewhere.

Very thorough review showing a bunch of disappointing scores for the 4070 compared to the 3070 Ti and also what is the reason for it. The subs are pretty good and it's definitely worth a watch.

It is possible that one of these will turn up in the Alienware m18 but indeed Intel seems to have covered pretty much all flagship designs with their 13900/950/980HX. Maybe it will turn up in one or more of the upcoming workstations from HP or others.