1610ftw
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The 9900K is a hot CPU. My son was playing a game today with his new 9900K that we got from brother @cylix and with max cores set to 5GHz the CPU would go up to 99 degrees even in some games. We then backed up to 4.8 GHz and temps stayed at 90 degrees max and usually in the mid 70s to mid 80s with fans not being excessively loud. That is a drop of at least 10 degrees for a 4% lower clock speed and I am sure that backing up to 4.7 all core would still yield more of an improvement and it possibly will also allow a bit more of an undervolt to further reduce power consumption. That was with a P870TM but with the less beefy CPU heatsink and a modified cooling pad with Noctua fans that we also got from brother @cylix. So if you are really into CPU only tasks or some extremely good benchmarks then I would say go for it but if you aren't then you may want to consider what good all of this will do when the total power available for your GPU and CPU is only about 250W. You can probably accommodate this with your current setup already and it is more worthwhile to shoot for lower CPU temps to extend the life of your P775. In any case if you do type on an external keyboard at home then I strongly recommend a cooling pad and to consider running your P775 with the bottom cover off or at least with some strategically placed holes - that should drop your average CPU temps by 10 to 15 degrees in total before taking any other measures.
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Looks to me like a 3060 and 3070 desktop chip and a 3080 mobile chip. In that case I would prefer the 3070 desktop chip. Something really interesting would be the 4070 Ti desktop chip on one of those - it still has the right bus width for MXM (192) but performance that even with a 150W TDP might be not too far off from a desktop 3080 especially if they manage to give it 12 or even 16GB memory.
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The P870 was available with 2 x 200W GTX1080 and the die size of the desktop 4090 is about twice the die size of the GTX 1080. Would certainly be possible to cool a 250W or 300W version of that 4090 die, it is just a matter of going. die area RTX 4090: 608 mm² die area GTX 1080 MXM: 314 mm² Won't be the lightest and thinnest laptops that can do that but not every laptop has to be 30mm tops.
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Well, maybe they could carry on with the form factor but I do not really see any backwards compatibility if they need to up both power consumption and bus width that is now at 384 bit for the 4090 desktop and 256 bit for the 4080 desktop. Also the physical size of the MXM card is rather small compared to what we see with desktop cards that have seen substantial size increases over the years. With everything increasing in size in desktops having a bigger socketed solution for laptops would make sense with everything else being the same - it is not as if those big desktop boards were empty with no parts on them.
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Way to go, looks like with liquid metal you can get some added performance out of it! The CPX17 can do almost 14K with a bit of Afterburner Tweaking so it is a shame Dell is leaving so much power on the table by setting the power limit so low. Still an excellent improvement over stock and it would be cool to know how much your 7770 does pull during TimeSpy with the slim and the fat power supply and how much of a difference it makes in scores. Have you checked how much power you can sustain with your CPU now that you have applied liquid metal? I am pretty sure that it will be at least 120W as otherwise I doubt that you would make it to a 25.5K CR23 score.
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What I would like to see: 18" screen room for at least 4 drives continued support for 128GB memory 1200p, 1600p and 2400p screen options, if only one of possible 1600p (2560 x 1600) will be the best option If they get an LGA CPU then please use the AM5 socket as this is the last generation of the 1700 socket for Intel and we will be stuck with this generation. Only really excisting when Clevo finally will manage to support these for most or all of the duration of the socket lifetime. Could be a great showcase for AMD. Or alternatively if it has to be Intel for some reason it is hard to get excited if again the socket will only be usable for this one generation of CPUs. For BGA I do not even care that much any more as long as we will have the latest TB4/5 or equivalent with both CPU manufacturers. MXM GPU or better some new socketed format that can support higher memory bandwidth and higher power uptake - MXM is a dead end with todays much more powerful GPUs If BGA is used please offer some selection, preferably down to 4060 but at least 4070. If we need to live with crappy BGA it would be nice to have a proper plug-in eGPUZ solution - some NVME compatible plug on the side of the laptop would be cool, something like what Alienware had or like an express card slot. watercooling or something else to improve performance when stationary At least 400W TDP between GPU and CPU with a huge unified vapor chamber, preferably with add-on watercooling like TongFang uses The ability to use it with only one or two power bricks, and preferably with specifications that make it possible to swap power supplies with MSI that also use the same connector - that will help with smaller power supplies for travel mechanical cherry keyboard and normal silent keyboard with a proper keyboard layout each for workstation and gaming use properly distributed and chosen connectivity switchable graphics modes: Optimus, dGPU only and iGPU only 100WHr battery that can be swapped and accessed without tools - easier to get out please than for the X170 Ability to mix small GPU with big CPU and vice versa at least 1080p webcam properly working fan control
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4090 is a new performance class - if they charge accordingly the performance jump will have to be higher both compared to the previous generation and to what they call the 4080. Charging 50% more for a card with a less than 10% increase in performance could result in disappointing sales. But then they are mostly about making money and not about making sense so my hope is that at least when AMD is coming too close they will have a plan. If AMD really is looking to rival a desktop 3090 with their next mobile offering they would overtake the 4090 with 175W and Nvidia will look rather foolish with that "4090". So I am hoping that both the new name and AMD will make this 4090 better than it currently looks and in the long run hopefully AMD will keep Nvidia on their feet unlike in the past where AMD offerings have been lacking in high end laptops.
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You will have to check what its important to you: 16, 17 or even 18" 16:9 or 16:10 how much memory how much storage Screen resolution warranty and support fan noise cooling Not every manufacturer covers all the bases.
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MSI GT77 with next gen Nvidia graphics and Intel i9: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Upcoming-MSI-Titan-GT77-to-be-the-first-to-offer-4K-144-Hz-mini-LED-display-with-1-008-dimming-zones-and-1-000-nits-peak-brightness.673883.0.html Most probably 13900HX and the mobile Geforce 4090. We'll see if there will also be an 88 Titan. Probably hard to justify a 17.3 16:9 and 18" 16:10 Titan at the same time.
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The TGP of that "4090" is too low compared to the "4080" so I would assume that this is not the last word on TGP. They will want to at least go up to something like 225 or 250W including boost. Bigger DTRs and the water cooled TongFang units should not have too many problems with this. They certainly do not have any issues right now with 175W where temps barely go beyond 65°C in the better units.
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That would suck, I thought it was a given that all their X170SM-G would get the Prema bios. In any case it surely doesn't hurt to ask.
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Something doesn't seem right. If you got this new from zTecPC you may want to check with them about your findings. You would expect Prema Bios and working audio out of the box so better to sort that out first before diving in.
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Agreed on the 10/20 series that did not have the huge performance differential although it already opened up with the 20x cards. AND rumors are just that and from what it looks like these cards are still some months out while the first laptops with the Nvidia solution should be available starting next month. So how much real pressure Nvidia feels from AMD in the laptop sector is hard to say. As the 4090 is derived from the desktop 4080 Nvidia could easily allow the 4090 mobile to reach 3090 levels but for that they will have to allow more power and possibly more cuda cores than have been rumored so far. Upping max power uptake to up to 200W + 50W Boost or even leaving it to manufacturers how much power they want to handle is easily done in theory but may be hard to pull off if Nvidia already told all the laptop companies that max power uptake would be 175W. In any case not holding my breath in the short term but I agree that Nvidia will not want AMD to take the laptop crown and they will probably have some kind of answer to prevent that from happening if AMD is releasing a mobile card that is as good as some rumors say (RTX 3090 levels). Would be great to finally have some competition in the laptop world 🙂 @mods: Maybe we could place the mobile GPU discussion in the tech news section? Current gen GPUs sadly do not seem to have any relevance for the X170KM-G so it may be better to have it there?
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No comment on Nvidia, they are losing whatever credibility they may have had in the laptop realm with their ridiculous naming - roughly 3080 performance out of a severely pared down desktop 4080 chip that is then called 4090? Yeah right.... Intel keeping it real on the other hand, 13700HX is an apt name for that CPU and indeed more memory speed would be nice, especially with 4 kits installed in DTRs.
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If you look closely above the performance has already been posted. Nvidia apparently could not make up their mind from the start about how to name the top tier card but when in fantasy land it is apparently best to go all in and they thought that with no performance relation to anything in the desktop sector any more why not call the GN21-X11 GPU the RTX 4090. As you can see in the chart in my post somebody may have suggested that 4080 ti would be a more fitting name given the (lack) of performance of that GN21-X11 GPU but the marketing department seems to have prevailed and went with an "easier" nomenclature of 4070/4080/4090 instead of the other two options. So to sum things up from what it currently looks like for the top tier GPUs: initial naming convention: 4070/4080 Ti / 4090 leaked TimeSpy benchmarks 4070/4080/4080 Ti names based on HP Omen release infos: 4070/4080/4090 option that would have seemed more logical based on performance and chips being used: 4070/4070 Ti/4080 Compare that to Intel where the desktop 13700 and the laptop 13700HX are much more similar and where it could be argued that they are close enough for the laptop version to be rightfully called 13700HX. Nvidia on the other hand chose a chip that is by all accounts based on a dumbed down version of the desktop 4080, put it in a laptop with severe power restrictions and called it 4090. As somebody else said: They do not call them Ngreedia for nothing....
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
1610ftw replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
That guy is great and doing society a real service by saving all this hardware from the electronics trash bin, love it. -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
1610ftw replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
That is the difference between wanting something to be a certain way and reality. At the top end there is only Nvidia who completely obliterate the competition of AMD and Intel, no wishful thinking will change that. And they are efficient, too so they will also rule the laptop world. I am very happy that I am interested more in CPUs than GPUs as I would rather not give Nvidia loads of money for the 4080, 4090 or one of their mislabled mobile cousins. -
Thanks for testing that. I have been a proponent for a two brick solutions for these laptops for some time now. Use a really big one in the place where it is used most intensely and a lighter one for traveling and at least it will not be power limited any more. Would be interesting to see if running a TimeSpy test you see any differences in power consumption and score. With current gen MSI units I have seen short peaks of up to 350 and a sustained draw of well beyond 235W.
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13700HX spotted in the new HP Omen in Romania: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-16-gb-4080-12-gb-4070-8-gb-4060-8-gb-laptop-gpus-confirmed-by-retailer/ The jokster 4090 mobile moniker seems confirmed - Nvidia obviously has no shame - and interestingly not even the top HP model seems to get the 13900HX.
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Well you can hope for that but the early leaks indicate a 17300 TimeSpy score for the 4080ti mobile - hope they will not be stupid enough to call it 4090 mobile. As you know one can easily do 17500 with a stock desktop 3080: courtesy of notebookcheck: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-Ada-RTX-4080-Ti-mobile-and-RTX-4070-mobile-score-significant-leads-over-the-RTX-3080-Ti-Laptop-GPU-in-leaked-Time-Spy-benchmark.669440.0.html Edit: New leak from a Romanian site seems to indicate that the top tier will be indeed named 4090 which imo is a joke as the desktop card is by now about twice as fast in stock condition. The sweet spot seems to be the 4070 which is about 12% slower and costs about 35% less, at least in that HP Omen model: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-16-gb-4080-12-gb-4070-8-gb-4060-8-gb-laptop-gpus-confirmed-by-retailer/
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I have no issue with Clevo releasing the usual BGA books that everybody else does these days but releasing such a run of the mill design and give it the name X270 is at least misleading. Getting under the hood will only be for swapping memory and storage these days and maybe you'll be lucky to be able to upgrade your wifi card. Sad state of affairs. Still 18" and 13900HX is exciting, much more so than graphics that seem to be on track to give us approximately the stock performance of last gens 3080 desktop cards.
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Not sure I will be able to do iGPU only but that would be cool. An iGPU only mode is a nice feature on the Alienware 18 and several MSI units I had/have.
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Only on the X170KM-G as the iGPU isn't connected on the SM-G. No idea how much it will help with better battery life but I am going to find out 🙂
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OK guys, I would like to bring my X170KM-G up to speed and try the special bios that allows me to enable Optimus. Currently EC and Bios are both 1.07.01 and I was thinking to first update to EC1.07.04 and the regular Bios 1.07.08 and then in the next step to the unlocked bios that has thankfully been provided by brother @ViktorV Any obvious issues with that or some in between steps that I might be missing?
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How the mighty have fallen... I would rather get an MSI GE77HX instead or the big Tongfang with watercooling. X170 was king of the hill, this is just another middling laptop with a 12700H, 2 memory sticks and 2 SSDs. I hope that Intel paid them well and that in exchange they can release another socketed model in the next generation - then it would be worth it 🙂
