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Tried XTU a few times but I found Throttlestop to be superior so hopefully Unclewebb will get around to it.
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With E-cores not going anywhere soon it would be cool if Throttlestop could introduce separate settings for P- and E-cores.
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Yeah, forgot to mention all-core undervolt but that probably opens another can of worms. In any case almost 15k CB R23 for the P-cores with only 75Watt is a huge jump compared to previous CPU generations.
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It is quite stunning that despite the HX processors being out for a while now there is not one single report of somebody undervolting an HX CPU. Hopefully @Aaron44126or @win32asmguywill get around to try it at some point.
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That is an understatement - 8 hours for a mobile workstation with this kind of capability is very impressive and when properly done it seems that these P and E-Core HX processors can achieve good battery life as can also be seen here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Titan-GT77-12UHS-4K-review-Elite-amongst-UHD-DTR-laptops.644290.0.html#toc-4 Even top of the line gaming laptops like the MSI GT77 get up to 7 hours of battery life on wifi or playing videos while the Razer Blade 17 at least almost makes it to 4 and 5 hours respectively. Compare that to the Clevo X170KM-G (Schenker XMG Ultra 17) that basically comes with its own USV but not much more:
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Thanks for digging that up as I had seen that one, too but was too lazy to look for it 😄 On a normal day my 7760 with I would guess a cooling system that is about average has a CPU power consumption between 10 and 80 Watt with most of the consumption being more between 15 and 60. It is sitting on a slow spinning fan and I barely hear it all most of the day, certainly not when it stays below 60 Watt. So I would always look for the processor that is more efficient starting at ca. 50 to at least 80 Watt as I can easily go that high intermittently without being annoyed by fan noise. Even a single run of CR23 Multi Core will not create much noise as with short power peaks the fans do only get louder for the second half of it and they go down quite fast after that, all in optimized mode.
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As I said 18" would fit within the dimensions of the bezel - the Dell logo would have to go though but I guess that is OK as they already did that in the XPS/Precision 5000 line. The bezels naturally would have to get slimmer but Dell already does that in the XPS / Precision 5000 systems and Apple has done that, too. When that works out HP, Lenovo, Asus, MSI can get the screen, too and in any case I doubt that it would be much more of an effort than the new memory they implemented - they only have to convince one manufacturer to build a screen for them and Asus has shown that it can be done even for the GX800 that probably sold less than 500 units worldwide and the big Dell workstations certainly will sell in higher numbers than that.
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The solution is to undervolt and limit multipliers. Then you have 14 or 16 cores with Intel instead of just 8 with AMD and that will make a difference for multitasking. I also want support for virtual machines, Thunderbolt and the best compatibility in other areas so unless AMD tempts me with a 16 core unlocked beast that at least offers Thunderbolt 4 I am unlikely to switch over and even then it will probably get released at a time when Intel releases their next gen HX processors with 8 + 16 cores and those will be hard to beat.
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I checked my 7760 and it would hold an 18" 16:10 screen with slighty slimmer bezels which should be entirely doable so they would not even have to increase the current form factor for that. I can see 18" 16:10 as some kind of common denominator as it would mean that the currently accepted biggest (least tiny) form factor wouldn't have to grow even bigger. It also allows for nice clean steps: 14, 16, 18" screens and maybe 20" at the top? OK, fat chance of 20" happening but 18" would be a good start as with a 16:10 screen it would mean almost 15% more screen real estate in the same form factor. As 16" 16:10 is just about the same height as a 17.3" 16:9 so it would also make more sense from that vantage point. Having a screen that is wider and taller is certainly more attractive than having a screen that is only wider, especially for a workstation.
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18 or even 19" 16:10 would be great for workstations. it would also help with necessary real estate for cooling, memory and storage. Did the insider mention a bigger screen size or only that Dell would phase out the 17.3 and 15.6 form factors? In any case in a machine with a bigger screen there would also be enough space for a 2.5" form factor data drive(s) and indeed it would be nice if it could have a multi purpose slot that alternatively could take a second battery but if the battery would be meant to have any capacity it would probably leave enough space for two 2.5" SSDs or one of those NVME monsters with a 2.5" form factor - I think they go up to 30TB now... It would also be great if via that slot or by some other means there would be some kind of connection that allows to use an external GPU without bandwidth restrictions and without having to use some kind of home-made solutions like the ones where the GPU is connected via an NVME SSD slot.
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Thanks, I guess I wasn't sufficiently up to date! That is the performance i would have expected from the start and it represents a ca. 50% multicore increase over the 7760 which is very impressive!
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The Legion achieved over 20K with a 30 minute test duration which is quite brutal and on par with other solutions that pride themselves in having a silly amount of (not very effective) fans and heat pipes (MSI GT77): No reason why the Dell 7770 should not be able to achieve at least 18K even though this is already on the lower side but from what I remember we haven't even seen 16K so far due to silly power limits on the CPU. Not quite sure what is the issue here as the predecessor could sustain a higher power limit with less demanding CPUs and they are not known to have had any significant issues.
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Excellent R23 performance! TimeSpy seems a bit modest for a 3080TI, liquid cooling and a prema-fied bios. Have you tried MSI Afterburner? If not then that should help you to go above 14 for the graphics score. While I cannot get excited about their BGA only policy Tongfang / Uniwill have given us some interesting laptops recently so I hope they will some day consider a real flagship design with more modularity, screen size, memory and storage.
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
1610ftw replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
That guy is hilarious - DGFF -> Didn't Give a Flying F### 😄 He also refers to BGA books as turdbooks - obviously a man of good taste. -
Oh I forgot about the infamous bios blunders with the A51 and from what I have gathered in the past MSI does not do these things - they don't have to as they have the loudest fans in the market in their Titan series 😄 It would be interesting to see how fast the GT77 could be without going up to deafening noise levels - probably not that fast given the fact that it is now very slim compared to previous iterations of the Titan lineage.
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I see that they are following that line of thought but I am not sure that people who actually care about upgradability and modularity really want something that small and cramped. Hope I am mistaken as I would hat to see them fail. With one of the reasons that we do not have big DTRs being that they are expensive to develop vs the sales numbers such an upgradable chassis would be a big benefit as a proper chassis could house different boards and screens and external connectors for many generations and they would only have to develop it once.
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I mean that they basically try to build the windows equivalent to a 13" Macbook that is serviceable. While I support the idea of modularity and upgradability I cannot really get excited about a company that wants as much money for a new mainboard that elsewhere gets me a decent Lenovo gaming laptop with a 15 or 16" screen. The problem I see is that for this kind of laptop the price for a new mainboard is too high and just does not make sense as for the money of the upgrade one could easily get a new mainboard with similar or better performance. If that would be possible with let's say a chassis like the one of my MSI GT75 that I like a lot it would be fantastic - I would immediately replace the mainboard and drop one in with a 12800HX CPU and the ability to hold 4 x 32GB memory instead of 4 x 16GB. So I think that the idea is very good but the laptops have to be higher performance and more powerful for it to really make sense and I would like to see them team up with a big manufacturer to improve upgradeability, serviceability AND performance. And just in case it comes over differently - I like what they are doing in principle and if those kind of designs help them grow they did everything right, it is just not something I can get excited about.
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It is too bad that they have decided that their best chance to survive is a baseline of tiny and boring nothingness...
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Did they give any reason for doing that? Maybe they miscalculated the price?
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Reviewed already courtesy of notebookcheck.com https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Titan-GT77-12UHS-Laptop-Review-Alder-Lake-HX-poster-child-with-unhindered-desktop-class-performance.640632.0.html The 4K display of the CreatorPro X17 on the right, looks good to me:
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Interesting information, might be good to post this in the general section as it also is of interest regarding other manufacturers? Without going into the politics of this it is good for people to make an informed decision.
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I know what you mean about no upgrades for laptops even though in theory it should be possible. I have the X170KM-G and it is the end of the road so far for that one with regard to both the maximum CPU and GPU it can take. Still keeps repair prices down but upgradability is only a thing if you do not get the biggest and baddest parts right out of the gate. Nice to hear you are happy with the GT77. How are noise levels in everyday use - do the fans run at a stable level or are they fluctuating a lot? The noise spikes in a GE76 I tested were rather annoying with the fans getting pretty load from time to time just because I was opening another program for example. From what I heard the Area 51 could be pretty quiet so it would be interesting how you feel about noise levels when comparing these two.
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Indeed not a single review so far. Would be cool if you could either open a thread in the MSI section or post in the GT77 thread. When will you get it?
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That was a bit of a strange review and each time I see people discuss the power brick being too large and chunky I want to puke - not that difficult to get a smaller version for travelling. With a battery life of at least 4 hours and up to 6 I doubt that a battery would even be necessary in the boardroom meetings like the one he pretends to be crashing with the "monstrous" power brick. I also never had an issue to connect a Thunderbolt dock to any of my MSI laptops (Akitio, Dell (2x) and HP) in order to get a third monitor output but hey I must be some kind of wizard.... As for the membrane keyboard my contact at MSI confirmed that to me, probably the keyboard you already know from the GE76 save for the numpad section. Software could indeed use some improvement but I am not quite sure to which lengths MSI would go to differentiate the X17 from the GT77 - they do not even seem to have a proper workstation logo any more but then the Dragon does not look too bad in all black and white: https://www.msi.com/Content-Creation/CreatorPro-X17-A12UX/Gallery#lg=1&slide=4 In any case this is probably better discussed over in the MSI section.
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