1610ftw
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Nice and at only 1.2V! After a quick search of my own I was surprised that there is even a CL18 memory from Mushkin: https://www.poweredbymushkin.com/Home/index.php/products2/item/130-ddr4/1581-mra4s320gjjm32gx2?ic=1 and I did not find it on their site but they go as low as CL16: https://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-Redline-Notebook-Dual-Channel-MRA4S320GJJM16GX2/dp/B08QHMYCK3?th=1 I have no experience with them whatsoever but it looks to me like this memory runs with tighter timings and higher voiltage directly from the manufacturer probably via an XMP profile so it is a bit of a long shot that this will work. According to Amazon mixed reviews, working for some but not for others: https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B08QHMYCK3/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_viewopt_sr?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=all_stars&reviewerType=all_reviews&formatType=current_format&pageNumber=1#reviews-filter-bar So CL16 is probably a bit too ambitious...
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I would expect but certainly not guarantee the following behavior: all these memory sticks will default to the timings I mentioned above if you do not mess with the bios you will be able to go back to your previous memory from those in case you have issues You MAY run into issues trying to chase tighter timings at 3200 where you will not be able to get everything back up and running. Certainly I would expect it to be extremely unlikely to get tighter timings at 128GB but you may find success at 64GB with only two memory sticks. So while I would not think it is worth a try to do any memory overclocking with all 4 sticks there might be some potential there with only two. Personally if I was after tighter timings I would at first check if they have been achieved by anybody else and also what skill level those people had and which kind of memory they tried. The next step would be to check how easy it is to use a programmer to bring your Clevo back to life in case something goes wrong and you brick it. Only then make your decision and keep in mind that faster memory will only get you so far - we are talking about relatively modest improvements in your situation even for a best case scenario. Personally I would go with memory that other have running at 3200 for 64 or 128GB and be done with it but in the end you have to decide if you want to try to go beyond that. Oh and last but not least I have used the latest XMG bios on mine and can only speak for that bios when it comes to supporting 128GB at 3200: https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/
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I have now ordered one myself from here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/326153579810 It's a reasonable price and has the QHD+ resolution that I prefer. It is a regular ca. 500nits LCD screen and if somebody wants to check it out this seems like the best price by quite some margin for the 4080 option. Currently it also is the only option available with a QHD+ screen as all other versions seem to have the UHD+ screen option that does not really work for my use case. I am especially interested in checking out how the 14900HX performs as I already had a Titan for testing that I was not that impressed with the one that the Titan had and I also need to check if I can squeeze in an additional 2230 SSD in the WiFi slot. I wanted a laptop with 4 memory slots and an 18" 16:10 QHD+ screen for some time now and could not really warm up to the Titan that looks silly to me with its combination of black, silver/grey and blue plus the screen is UHD+ for now. The Raider is "only" black and red plus it also costs a lot less so it is worth a try for me.
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@win32asmguy It might be worth a mention that it is possible he will have to rescue his Clevo with a programmer if the memory testing goes wrong - not everybody is as willing to take apart a laptop like you are 🙂 @NBTUser I just checked and my exact timings per CPU-Z are 22-22-22-52 G.Skill has an offering with the same timings; https://www.gskill.com/product/2/197/1540866339/F4-3200C22D-64GRS That may or may not be overclockable to be faster especially when you only use 2 of your 4 memory slots but you should be aware that there are certain risks involved in playing with the memory timings and going beyond the regular timings with all 4 slots occupied is probably pushing it.
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The Samsung is CL22 at 3200.
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So can you switch off G-Sync and the error disappears?
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Just for my understanding: Even with only the HDMI cable connected to the 3080 unit you get this picture when you output 4K 60 RGB 8 bit?
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Not sure what you are trying to do - have you connected both outputs to one display or to two different displays?
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Your HDMI port is not supposed to support more than 4K 60 - can't expect 4K 120 from it 🙂 As for the display port output you should be able to do 4k 120 there. Have you tried if that works with your other SM-G that has the 2080s?
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Now if that isn't a huge increase in CPU score 😄
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This is not something that hasn't been discussed widely, have a look here: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/13pkz35/trick_to_force_nvidia_dynamic_boost_for_mobile_gpu/ Maybe you need to deinstall platform controller manager but I am not sure about that as my GPU back then did not have boost (Turing) so the driver did not help except for reducing power uptake and I have since installed another driver. And here is a request to implement an override in NVCleanstall: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/feature-request-enable-power-limit-slider-for-mobile-gpu-like-driver-528-24.310787/ This also addresses CPU behaviour during boost. I have not done any screenshots back then as for me the slider working was not particularly exciting as it was already documented elsewhere.
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That's too bad. If you re-read I was not claiming that the slider would work in your case but it worked for me back then on a different card so in principle this is possible on mobile cards. Back then no specific instruction was needed, it was just a matter of using the standard driver and MSI Afterburner. This is why I said that I only used it up to Turing and you can find a couple of posts by me and others if you type in 528.24. Maybe in this specific case you also need the Prema bios? @MaxxD obviously has the Prema bios it so no idea if others will be able to get 165W without it.
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I can confirm that was the last driver where the slider worked. I have posted that before and others, too. I never used it for a card though that was newer than Turing. As @MiRaGe says there will probably be issues sooner or later or maybe even now with certain games which is why I think that a shunt mod will be a more flexible and permanent solution but of course there is a certain risk. Maybe that new Nvidia software that is supposed to also replace Afterburner will help, too but I doubt it as Nvidia has rarely been known to do the right thing in these matters.
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Well that would be a great idea - why has nobody thought about that before 😄 Actually I think it is a shitty idea by Nvidia and that it would be much easier to set an honest max of 165W or preferably more and then add a slider that goes from let's say 100 to 200W and let the customer decide max power consumption. From the start it has been ridiculous that the 2080 Super with more limited potential is able to run at 200W and the 3080 is not allowed to run at 200W, too and the same now goes for the even more powerful 4090. 150W 2080S to 200W -> small increase in performance 150W 3080 to 200W -> pretty big increase in performance That is also the reason that I would prefer to do a shunt mod and then I would try to dial in the 3080 at something like 180W max. Not easy of course to measure exact power consumption after a shunt mod but with a watt meter and always running the same benchmarks that max out the GPU it should be possible.
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These are not getting any younger and unless you are benching you will gain very little beyond 200W. Here is the 150W 2080 in my GT75: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/105739683 As you can see it is not far behind the best 2080 with 200W and it will run a lot cooler with that power consumption with a reduction in performance of a bit more than 5% Here is my 2080S in the SM-G. Obviously with some overclocking via MSI Afterburner but with 200W: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/91483697 So it is not that hard to surpass 12000 with the stock 200W. The 3080 scales better so adding 20 to 30W to the 3080 would help more.
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10 to 15% TimeSpy sounds about right which is even more impressive with about 20% less power.
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clevo p870tm/tm1-g Official Clevo P870TM-G Thread
1610ftw replied to ViktorV's topic in Sager & Clevo
A 50% increase should not be a problem with the card running at the usual 175W power limit and possibly even at 150 to 160W. The 3080 already had 16GB memory and is good for gaming at QHD resolutions so spending that much money for a ca 30% increase in performance strikes me as not that desirable especially for something that is not a plug and play solution. -
Do a TimeSpy test then, that is a better comparison. I doubt you will exceed 12000 GPU score with the 2080 Super and that CPU will probably end up closer to 7000.
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Excellent, that should help with the lower end and with multitasking!
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clevo p870tm/tm1-g Official Clevo P870TM-G Thread
1610ftw replied to ViktorV's topic in Sager & Clevo
The 4090 is so expensive that I would want to see something like a 50% increase over the 3080 that recently has come down in price a lot but that will be very difficult to achieve with a 135W power limit! -
That is a huge increase in average framerate - is it possible you are a bit CPU limited with the 2080 Super setup? Also you may want to increase memory on the 3080 laptop as tests have shown that minimum framerates go up when you have 32 and even 64GB or memory and 2 x 8 certainly will limit you to some degree. I found this some time ago and found it quite interesting and my son has seen more stable fps after going from 32 to 64 so 32GB is certainly a safe bet but if you are running something on the side on a second monitor I would always go for at least 64GB: In any case even with these caveats it looks like the 3080 is worth it and I hope these results make you a bit happy 🙂
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I use Samsung 4x32GB M471A4G43AB1-CWE memory and it has been very reliable at 3200: https://semiconductor.samsung.com/dram/module/sodimm/m471a4g43ab1-cwe/ I would expect that others would work, too but I have used 4 x 32GB Samsung with 2666 or 3200 speed in several DTRs and never had an issue so this is what I recommend. They can usually be found at reasonable prices like for example here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/126520675938?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=0VY4BP18QcS&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=-GYTnvb3TOm&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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If you want to reduce then use Throttlestop 🙂 Download version 9.4 and it should let you play with multipliers and a slight undervolt up to the 10900K https://www.techpowerup.com/285686/techpowerup-throttlestop-v9-4-released or you can use 9.3 for an easier to use interface for CPUs up to 8 cores: https://www.techpowerup.com/278547/techpowerup-throttlestop-9-3-released It allows you to have 4 presets and it is pretty easy to switch between them. Another nice bonus is that it allows you to switch Windows power modes that Windows has been hiding from us for some time now. I would assume that an undervolt of -75/-25 should be very stable if you want to use even less power and at 3.5GHz the fans should be more or less inaudible with only 6 cores.
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Haha, that is quite unimpressive 😄 If it was unlocked before and you did not do anything to the bios I would try ThrottleStop for the CPU but I doubt that you can do much as this is not an unlocked CPU. Maybe some undervolting will be possible but it is unlikely you can increase the clock speeds, just decrease.
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if you needed to switch power modes in windows could you not do that with the Obsidian suite of apps? Agreed on MSI Afterburner, it is another program that I do not like that much but it is useful to limit the power that goes to the card, increase efficiency and of course it is essential for benching. I thought it was mandatory to use special curves for maximum results but have stopped using them as editing the curve is a huge pita as the curve editor is stunningly hard to use and a complete waste of time imo for benching which is all I do with my GPUs when I play with MSI Afterburner. Nvidia could do a good job emulating what Afterbruner does but leave it to them to somehow mess things up by limiting how much you can increase clcok and memory speed or something else. Yes I love Throttlestop - It does what it needs to do, gives good feedback, has nice taskbar infos that are configurable, a good support and their design is small and unobtrusive and not all over my desktop. From my own experience it is excellent for unlocked Intel consumer CPUs from 6th to 11th gen and still pretty usable for 12th to 14th gen and locked versions that can be undervolted.
