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@TwistedAndy that's more like it 😉 Dell 7770 i9-12950HX vs. Razer 18 i9-13900HX below we can see clearly how the top 7770 with 12950HX score fairs against the new 13900HX score, overall a 20% increase in performance (assuming that single 13900HX score is the highest it can go), if this is the 13900HX average score than performance increase in comparison is more like +45%, (average scores for the 7770 with 12950HX is about 14k on geekbench) Intel Core i9-12950HX @ 2.49 GHz 16 Cores, 24 Threads (8E+8P) Intel Core i9-13900HX @ 1.80 GHz 24 Cores, 32 Threads (16E+8P)

indeed, tough still valid it is also 50 years old and steams from days of magnetic tapes being the main backup media, taking tapes physically offsite to ones home at least once a week if not daily were the practice back in the days, today private sector has the privilege of "cloud backups", these were also normal practice back in the day, but back than it was your own private storage hardware hosted in an offsite data center,

interesting... that CPU is already on Dell's price list, with 6 more open/unknown HX sku's (2 x i5 & 4 x i7 variants) the i9-13900HX appears to be the highest upcoming i-9 Raptor Lake sku,

@TwistedAndy how do these scores fair? (not familiar with geekbench bench scores)

interesting, I've never heard of it before (i too notices the bloat ware Acronis been adding over the years i guess to stay relevant even though they don't need any of it), for my backup routine i only ever need Acronis bootable media with nothing ever installed in windows, my practice for my personal pc backup ever since XP came out, as soon as i complete installing the system initially, i activate full administrators account, before i login for the first time there's a reg key one can change to move users folder to another drive, i do the above than login to my profile which will be created on another physical or logical drive (usually root of D:\users\...), from there on my system drive "C:\..." can be backed up then recovered 1000 times without me ever losing my personal data, heck if i leave a new txt on my desktop after full drive recovery even its position will retain when i boot back in, whenever a recovery is needed its usually system side files never user data, i also have another "program files" folder in the root of D where i install most of my software, so its never lost after recovery as well, i can even install a brand new system with new SID and relocate the content of my user folder to the new system and everything works almost flawlessly (usually some reg keys might be missing or some files in program data folder but its easy to restore), the only real threat remains physical drive corruption, for that i will have 2-3 separate media where i save an image of my entire D drive with my personal user data, i also keep my C system image backup inside a systems folder under "D:\System\Backup\" drive, its a different technical approach to personal backup that worked for me many years without fail,

been an avid user of Acronis True Image for backup and restore solutions for over 20 years now, highly recommended.

did you try undervolting from there with hybrid off and ultimate power in bios, still crashing? setup_var CpuSetup 0xE 0x0 # Enable ACPI S3 Support (default 0x1)

it may been IPS, whatever they use on the XPS17 looked good enough to me, the Asus Zenbook 17" comes with OLED,

these values are pretty much intended, they opted for these values from factory, hmm... is hybrid display mode off in bios? (with it on we noticed reduced cpu performance) are you running ultimate/high performance power plan in bios as well? (you prob want to make sure you are on ultimate power plan in bios, you can balance it back with a classic windows power plan "balanced" or "power saver" for daily usage with all available power unrestricted for both cpu and dGpu) if all still fails you can report your TS crash issue on this thread.

minimum 330w brick would be pre requisite for me before i would even consider this new platform, a high refresh rate OLED with Touch screen would be a must option, a screen bezel refresh is well overdue too, (the 7670 4k OLED with Touch doesn't feel too outdated but falls way behind the sleek looking XPS17 4k OLED with Touch screen)

not a bad result for the platform, try disabling hybrid mode for improved results, the 12950HX has been seen clocking 23k for 10min loop, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlyBV7JdvRU&t=732s best i scored with the 7670 i think was around 20k for 10min and 19k for 30min loops, highly doubt it, follow steps here

not to mention at these prices you can still replace any part through Dell's warranty for free or upgrade to just about any higher spec component off ebay below half the price of buying direct plus waiting two months, these refarb units can arrive overnight or within days form ordering,

@DarginMahkum this should be a huge red flag warning but to each his own, (i returned 2x7670 with 12950HX, ordered 7770 instead hoping it has enough thermal headroom that's useable), you can grab a practically brand new 7770 with 12600HX for as low as 1k with free shipping here

if we just enable Unclewebb through one of our machines he will find the issue, unfortunately as he mentioned he has no access to latest gen cpu to test on, i believe there's some bug his expert eye needs to catch in order to fix this random crash when selecting P cache, if no one will by then i will as soon as my replacement arrives which still few weeks out from now,

need some help guys! i have opened a thread on TechPowerUp where UncleWebb has chimed in (Unclewebb is the author of ThrottleStop), i have explained some issues i was experiencing undervolting the 12950hx, in particular the issue of crashing when just enabling P-Cache undervolt feature without even undervolting, just enabling the feature will crash the 12950hx, unfortunelty i do not have my replacement system in hand yet, he will need some feedback from us with newer CPU's to help improve ThrottleStop for 12'th and 13'th gen CPU's, please chime in here to help speed ThrottleStop support for our CPU's https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/throttlestop-p-e-core-support.300650/

no!

this is just painful to see, buy the 7770 from dell online outlet store for $2,409.00, or buy the exact same config for 220% more (or 55% less) from dell online store for $5,336.04,

100% true, hmm... where did i pull 26k number from i missed that bit completely in his video, i just read off the image he posted there, in a way gaming always had an edge or bit gap over workstations usually representing bleeding edge technology not fully suited to deploy on workstations (yet), but it was never this significant where a gaming station puts to shame a flagship workstation from one of the top manufacturers, come to show how much marketing taking precedence over engineering priorities now days, which is exactly what has changed the past 10-15 years with Dell,

its not like we are asking for something in the sky, their alienware line all run with a 330 bricks with proper thermals, its just handful of greedy pissant marketing executives thinking they outsmart us all, to them we are clearly too stupid to notice or know the difference, this is no longer Dells flagship its Dell's compromise ship.

that system has a heat pipe design not a vapor chamber hence the differences, they don't need to, with a solid vapor chamber the unit is able to maintain higher clocks its that simple, if you research you will see some show 60c constant temps during their tests which suggest heavy regulated cold environment, I've seen enterprise data center drivers in use in conjunction with these high scores, our platform is so far off there's no point in comparing, i also got 26k score on CB23 but it wasn't easy and it was for a single run, on a 30min loop i got 19k and again it wasn't simple to get there, the system had to be heavily manipulated first, that Asus shown tested unmodified and healed 26k score after 30 min loop, that's HUGE 40% performance losses for workstation class, when did it became ok that a workstation plays second fiddle to gaming station?

spot on! a gaming laptop that can boost a 30min loop on CB23 with a 26k score while our premium workstations can barely scratch half that score, that is aggravating and insulting that Dell has the goal to think they can get away with 50% castration on their expensive premium flagship workstation because we (used to) blindly trust them to always be the best, for general information all top 100 results on 3DMARK for the 12950HX & 3080 Ti combo we compete against are from less than a handful of users all running the same ASUS Scar 17 SE with the above basic specs, this unit comes from factory with a vapor chamber backed up by two fans, we cannot pull result beyond top 100 on 3DMARK i suspect the same handful of users logged up thousands of results as they appear to be competing with each other posting improved result, throwing off average scores for our machine class, what it does prove though beyond a shadow of a doubt (despite both CPU and GPU on that unit come with LM TIM from factory) is that proper taming of the beast is possible for this hardware level it just takes a proper vapor chamber like the one shown in the video below,

if you're familiar with Optimus or "mux switch", its a similar function just in a manual form,

there's is no higher mobile sku than the 12950hx atm

fyi ssd's are happier at 54c idle and up, they tend to be nonresponsive when cold, they require heat buildup for proper operation,

i gave it a try at the time i was not able to find all desired variables, i wasn't fully set on my underclock setting so i didn't insist on making these work from the bios directly at the time, i believe these can be set in bios just need to locate and verify their variables, (i couldn't find ring down "Voltage Mode" to set it to minus before setting a value on ring down which is variable for P-Cache) setup_var CpuSetup 0x1E8 # Ring Down Bin (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x263 # GT Voltage Mode (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x266 # Offset Prefix (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x26C # GT Voltage Mode (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x26F # Offset Prefix (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x2DE # Uncore Voltage Mode (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x261 # Offset Prefix (Default 0x0) @Aaron44126 here you go i think i fond the missing link setup_var CpuSetup 0x1E9 # Ring Voltage Mode (Default 0x0) here are few more variables that can be set setup_var CpuSetup 0x2E3 # Thermal Velocity Boost (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x2E4 # TVB Voltage Optimizations (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x378 # Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x7 # Expected CPU Freq (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x2AF # E-core L2 Voltage Mode (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x2B4 # Offset Prefix (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x27C # VF Offset Mode (Default 0x0) setup_var CpuSetup 0x1EE # Offset Prefix (Default 0x0) here is a binary converter,