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Microsoft tried hard make Win 11 22H2 better than the orginal released build, but as usual failed hard. So nothing new her🙂 Microsoft confirms Windows 11 Remote Desktop issue ghachs.net Microsoft confirmed a remote desktop issue that is affecting the company's latest operating system, Windows 11 version 22H2, today. The issue affects devices running the Windows 11 2022 Update, but not devices that run the original release version of the Windows 11 operating system nor earlier versions of Windows. --------------------------------------------------------------- People share what they hate most about Windows 11 windowscentral.com | Today Windows 11 didn't receive much love in our recent Twitter thread.... https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/people-share-what-they-hate-most-about-windows-11

Haven't the silicon winner as the elite usually get their hands on but... Me, my 13900K and H2O, baked in between LN2 cooled processors. It's also about efficiency. Higher boost clocks doesn't always help if the rest of the package don't keep up. Hwbot Global ranking wPrime - 32m 24xCPU's....... Bro @Mr. Foxcould you do me a favor? 1th. Run Cinebench R20 or R23 with one and two pumps. Or even a 3rd test if you have 3 pumps. Would be nice to see a possible temp difference with added pumps. Stock clocks or your daily driver is just fine for all the different tests. 2nd. Check the water flow vs different water temperature. Run a bench with the chiller then a bench with your normal custom water cooling. The water flow should decrease when the water become quite cold. Hence testing with and without the chiller. Test with only one pump. Thanks 🙂

I don't have processors a long time in the machines. And I swap parts often so I can't say how long it will last. But from what I can see from others the pink version isn't so affected as the old Grizzly Kryonaut. But I can't see much of a difference from new to the next re-paste. Here is another great choice. Noctua NT-H2 (even H1). This paste isn't affected by it breaks down. Have used this and a good cheap option. No need to look other places if you want a good paste that will last. I use liquid metal for laptops. Not really needed for desktops. And many here won't buy used processors where the stamp on the lid is almost gone. Same problem also apply delidded processors. How good and cool they running doesn't matter. Edit. It seems Jay'z can't get enough of Kryonaut Extreme😃 7:25 sek

MX-5 is a lottery. EOL now due variable quality (batch problems). I use the more expensive Kryonaut Extreme. Edit: Thermalright TF7 vs Arctic mx-5 - Overclock.net Ps. I used the old CoolerMaster Maker Gel with good results. The former best paste from CoolerMaster.

This just show that you don't play in the same game field vs the fab/elite benchers. And the same apply also for both for MB and ram sticks. You just can't have it all. Regardless if you bench on sub zero or higher ambient cooling. And with even more binning from Intel to push out refresh for same SKU, the difference wont be less. Just do as good you can. You just can't win even if you do it good in the ordinary lottery. You all are doomed to be nr2 or last🙂 @Raiderman Nice to see an old face 🙂

13th gen run at lower voltage vs 12th gen with quite high clock speed (Intel bragged about that they shaved of above 60mv vs 12th gen chips) and me think the high power consumption will prevent many chips from dying. People are cooling limited before the higher voltage is a problem. As of Caseking and der8auer said for their prebinned 11th and 12th gen chips. The core voltage that we have defined and that is necessary for stable OC operation is specified on the packaging of each pre-tested CPU. Depending on the voltage supply of the mainboard used, there is a tolerance range of approximately +/- 20 mV. In order to protect the silicon, the maximum core voltage is a harmless 1.37 volts at most. At this voltage many will run into thermal problems with the newer gen Intel processors. Too high voltage, high clock speed and very high temps will degrade the chips. Remember the soldered processors. Many run high voltage and 100C, but those throttle down clock speed once it hit 100C and hence lowered the voltage for prolonged life. You can tune your chips up to well above 90C and with high clocks and high voltage (won't trottle as the BGA chips and hence will run hot and with max volage). This is doomed to fail. https://hwbot.org/submission/5127199_papusan_wprime___32m_core_i9_13900k_(8p)_1sec_488ms?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5127160_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_980_107383_marks https://hwbot.org/submission/5127180_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_980_85385_marks

And here I sit, benching months after months. The 12900K have been near peak power/clocks all time since Feb until now. Yet, not have seen any degradation. It will soon have a nice life in a gaming rig for my son. Maybe I will call it "in retirement same as me", LOOL I would rather say you should be a bit more careful with the IMC. Have seen a few chips that can't run memory at peak anymore. But the cores still kick ass.

Why couldn't Nvidia offer all this for 4090 ?😃

Oh, be you sure. I had a longer article about the flow z13 in the old NBR forum. A stupid concept. And I have no problem with tablets. Just call it what it is. A tablet and not a laptop. If people want a laptop, then don't try lure people into a tablet and say its a laptop. This would be the same as say a motorbike is a car. Or a plane is a boat🙂

I like tests that can show results with the differents setups. Hence I posted it. But I know most of you knew this. But nice to see the temp differences in real life. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It seems Nvidia want that the gamers buy 3 years old re-hashed cards. Or push them into the 4080@1200$ cards. I hope Nvidia will lose on this once AMD is out with their next gen cards at sub 1000$. No One should buy 3 years old "new" re-hashed cards without getting a massive discount. This just show how Nvidia treat their customers when they buy new lreleased cards... You won't get the full performance potentiale in the products. New cards as this should come at 1/4 of the official release price from 3 years ago. New is equal old or EOL if the arch/tech is 3 years old. People want new cards. Not re-hashed cards from 3 years old stock of silicon. If they want old, they can just find old on the used market. Why should I buy 3 years old cards in the retail stores for premium when I can find a lot used on the used market? Geforce RTX 4060 is said to be delayed until the summer Nvidia's top segment in the RTX 4000 series can be found on store shelves, but the simpler models are speculated to be delayed for at least another six months. Yep, Nvidia will offer cheaper cards than the 1200$ 4080 this Christmas/new year 2022/23.... NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti with GDDR6X memory expected to completely replace the GDDR6 variant Colorful launches GeForce RTX 3070 Ti with GA102 GPU, same clocks but higher power

Dell is in forefront or Apple's equal into being trendsetters. Not all can turn a laptop into a tablet and still call it a laptop😃 Is this a Joke bro @Mr. Fox ? Just remove the KB and push people intot their shop buying a small flimsy keyboard. Big win and increased profits, for DELL. Why is it so easy to fool buyers?🤔 But to function as a true laptop replacement, it needs the XPS Folio accessory (a $100 add-on), which is a kickstand, keyboard, and cover all in one. Dell's 2-in-1 XP3 13 Laptop Becomes a Desirable Detachable Tablet pcmag.com

Here's an short easy guide for AIO (water) cooling and correct placement for fans with measured temp differences between where you put them and the cooler. Install AiO water cooling optimally - place the radiator correctly https://hardware-helden.de/aio-wasserkuehlung-optimal-platzieren/

Top 75th Pifast. All above use exotic cooling. Yep, 13th gen is a nice overclocker so I think it's more in the tank🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5126548_papusan_pifast_core_i9_13900k_8sec_880ms 6th for GTX 980 and 40th GLOBAL 1X GPU RANK - 3DM 2001 SE 🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5126459_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_980_209306_marks

Some birds tell me that the price target for the next gen higher end gaming laptops will be around 5000$. Damn nice price for half the performance, HaHa. Happy I don't have to deal with this idiocy anymore.

@Mr. Fox Nice improvements on the temps🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5125565_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_980_589761_marks?recalculate=true

The title fits nex gen mobile graphics cards as hand in gloves. Could be Nvidia this time will offer an bizarre GPU upgrade for the laptop-jockey's if this rumors is somewhat correct. NVIDIA RTX 40 Mobility Series GPUs Detailed: 30% Performance Gain Over Last Generation, Launch Date And More https://notebooktalk.net/topic/347-laptopnotebook-news-and-announcements-discussion-thread/?do=findComment&comment=19326&_rid=79

Could be Nvidia this time will offer an bizarre upgrade for the laptop-jockey's if this rumors below is somewhat correct. The furture looks grim for people that still prefer laptops. NVIDIA RTX 40 Mobility Series GPUs Detailed: 30% Performance Gain Over Last Generation, Launch Date And More

The end results will be equal bad as the wheel replacement below. You pay perhaps only 1$ for this pad but you lose 1$ on the paste you already have done. Then 1$ on top for the needed thermal paste after your testing. So it will be +3$, LOOL Then I havent add in the shipping 🙂 So forget that 1$ numbers brother😃

Waste of money if you want best coolig performance. But here you go. See the whole video if this pads is of interest

If you mean package power then nope. But desktops have over the double the thermal headroom vs the most powerful laptops. And the thermal gap will be wider as the laptops will become even thinner/lighter. 18 inch sized laptops won't change this. Because they are equally messed up as its smaller siblings. Again... The results from the 18 inch Razer book isn't much to be happy about when you know how much more cooling it could offer with proper sized design. Modern 18 inch laptops ain't much wider than old gen 17,3 laptops due the narrow bezels. Shrink the thicness to make an 18 inch laptops more appealing/portable is just dumb. Yep, Intel and the notebook OEMs is very keen talk up burst clock performance for laptops. Even low power processors have high boost clocks that will fail under higher prolonged load. Today's modern hardware will use a lot more juice to reach the last 5-10% performance uplift. Last gen processors as etc Raptor lake will benefits greatly from better cooling. Mostly the only limitation to reach higher boost clocks (overclock). Even more than with Alder lake. So in short, what will lack with for laptop processors.... Weak cooling due design (in all ways), ram speed limitation and cramped TDP. You just can't make it awesome with these restrictions. Laptops is meant for portable nowadays. Gone is the laptops we knew as DTR (equal performance for laptops and desktops). If you need performance... Forget laptops and go for desktops (gaming & work). A laptop can often be replaced with an phone or tablet. Or just buy the cheapest laptop you can find. But a phone can't replace a real desktop. As you can see... The performance difference between laptops and desktops will only be widen. The reason isn't the hardware in itself but the cramped laptop design + capped power budget. https://hwbot.org/submission/5114826_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_13900k_44878_cb

And you'll get fantastic features as subscription services deeper into the Windows 11 operating system. Isn't that nice? You will also get more nice features as etc websites recommendations to Start menu. Microsoft will do everything for you. Just pick the right OS Yep, Microsoft make their latest and greatest worse and worse for each new major update. Can't beat that. A OS filled with useless features only to gain themself. Microsoft explains why it won't add seconds to Windows 11.....

12900K clocked 5.5GHz on the P-cores ... Half of the E-cores but 4.3GHz on those 8 small cores, crush the 13900HX results above... 12900K 8P-8E max (5.5/4.3) does above 22700. 13900K should do around 24500 in Geekbench 5. The 5.4GHz on the P-cores is for two cores for the mobile HX chips. Then you have castrated TDP. See it this way. You can't make magic if you lack the tools in your toolbox And where will they cap the power limits for mobile 13900HX ? Same as for the desktop chips or equal 12th gen HX mobile? And Geekbench benefits heavly from faster DDR5 ram sticks. Where will the laptop OEM put the cap for ram speed in their limited sBios? And cheapo made small motherboards isn't the best choice for ram tuning. +24K in Geekbench 5 is 20% overclock vs the Geekbench 5 results shown from the Razer-Turd above. Stock 13900K@5.5/4.5 (253W) all core load. The mobile HX need to surpass those limits to be able to reach the performance target you describe.

Even more stupid. AIC partners can put the 12VHPWR connection whatever way they want. Upside down or opposite. See here.... ASUS TUF 4090 (The latch will come on top of the card) is the card who have seen most smoke and fire. Nvidia's 4090 FE the oppsite. And one thing for sure... I don't think there have been sold loads more of the TUF cards from Asus than the FE cards from Nvidia or other brands 4090 models.. Edit The TUF is overrepresented regarding fire and smoke. About 1/3 of all the affected cards is branded TUF only on reddit's mega fire thread. Is this just a coincidence or just bad luck. Pick whats fits. Or just add in what buyer groups will go for the custom Asus card. But more adult people prefer the Nvidia design. So maybe there is not a coincidence that you have seen less of the burned up 4090 FE cards? Food for thoughts. Btw. I don't think CableMod and other custom cable mod vendors are that happy about the smoke and melting finds. If people can learn how to attach Nvidia's cable spaghetti adapter correctly, there will be less fire and less need for custom cables. CableMods vs nvidia = 0-1 🙂

Got the answer here... Yeees.. Why pin the Nvidia disaster thread on top of nvidia reddit main page? Perhaps due bad publicity for Nvidia? Or is there another sensible reason for unpinning the mega thread?

Maybe the few wanted the custom cards instead and let the 4090 FE cards melt? Just say to tech support that you don't dare have this firework in your house anymore so ask them for refund😀 Many have tried make it burn so just ride over on youtube for guides, LOOL Anyway... Maybe nvidia will post a official mounting guide? The short guide in the GPU box is probably not enough. And I think its very needed 🙂 NVIDIA 16-Pin 12VHPWR Cable Connection Guide For GeForce RTX 4090 & RTX 4080 Owners Btw. Some wonder why... Hmm...why this megathread deleted from main page? Maybe Nvidia reps have asked the mods to hide it?😀 And yep, the mods for the nvidia reddit forum won't tell the truth. Hide it in between a loads of other more or less useless threads, is a smart move. I remember when the smoking posts pop up first time on reddit. The lead mods closed them one by one in a damn fast speed. Said they added links to them in the mega thread. So No need to post in them. This way... None could post anything in any of them. Nice done.