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Not everyday I see great features added for desktop chassis, but this one was new. I like it. Maybe I can buy one and paint it in the same black color as my Corsair 1000D. Need more info from the owners of this chassis first. 10C lower Gpu temp. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-lancool-216-review

HaHa. New has to be better, LOOL

Could be Asus made some changes as for the Z790 boards like renesas pmic high voltage mode with no vdroop now. And the MB makers could have made better Z690 boards from the beginning. The Z790 boards is better for any of todays DDR5 sticks. M-die or A-die doesn't matter. Same for the worse Samsung and Micron ICs. New boards handle they better. Paying premium should have offered better quality. Z690 was the guinea pig for DDR5 so the HW engineers should have kicked the the bean counter in the balls and say this is what it costs to make working boards (save money other places than on the boards quality). Regarding small chassis. The The H7 Flow Mid-Tower, this is not the smallest mid-tower chassis, then imagine how it is to work in the smaller SFF chassis😀

More like this😃 Btw. My sons white baby just arrived. What a neat small box vs the big black box. Something for @electrosoft 😀 Guess what is in front of the small box... Edit. Damn small box. I'm not used to this. Neither for laptops and neither for desktops. I love big. Everything has to be big. Bigger the better. I can barely work with my hands inside this box, HaHa. One cm headroom left before the chosen GPU will crash in the pump, LOOL

Cheaper? Not the way I see it... When the 6600 sticks was out they was top of the line and very expensive. Now they are cheaper, slower and the new high end sticks are out. Etc G. Skill DDR5-8000 at near 600$ or equal disgusting priced as when the DDR5-6600 was brand new and the top dog.. So nothing have really changed 🙂 Nvidia can't have help from the miners anymore to keep prices up. Now they have to do it themself. Just produce less cards to keep up the price point. Could be Nvidia that have asked the retailers to help them get rid of 4080 cards. Because almost no gamer will buy them. https://wccftech.com/scalpers-left-holding-the-bag-and-are-struggling-to-return-nvidia-rtx-4080s-en-masse/ HaHa. Bro @Etern4l Wasn't about what you bought. Your choice of PSU was an exelent choice. And me... I don't want to judge peoples choices. If they are happy. Then I'm happy 🙂 And thanks for the nice words. @jaybee83 are you good at math?🙂 How will this calculation be if you pay the double price for the more power efficient PSU and use it 12 hours pr day and sum up after a year?😁 Lets say the cheap one costs $250 and the expensive $500. How much will you save? What if the same choices have been put between the Gold and Platinum? More like.......

If I want to upgrade my HW and sell what I already have... I have to buy parts "if they offer RGB" to be able to sell it for an ok price on the used market. Many want this modern "bling bling"... And people will rather pay extra for this on used market than buy used without it. But this is the time we live in. Can't have it all. For me... Parts need the crap if I want reduce my loss. Almost nothing you buy today can keep up its $$$ value over its lifespan.

If you don't need an new PSU, you will lose money. And as I said... Pay premium for a PSU over a cheaper one with ok efficiency to try save money is flawed thinking. See my post below Electricity here is around 0.3-0.5 US Dollar. And have been above this. We produce and sell clean electricity over to EU now. And we sell everything we can produce of Gas and Oil. This because of the war in Ukraine. And the Norwegian citizens suffer hard from this. Regarding save money on higher tier PSU vs cheaper one to save money on electricity... I could bought the AX1600i for $572. Got a great deal on the Corsair HX1500i ($262.5). They are both comparable in terms of efficiency. The Ax1600i is sligthly a bit more efficient. But I pay 2.18 times the price more for the more expensive model. Lets say I use it at half power aka 750W 24/7. How long do I need do keep it to save money "if the more expensive PSU" may provide maximum 2% better efficiency?🙂 Zero or a loss. Not a save. at least not for me. And make the calculation even worse... I use the pc the half time(12/7). And with much less than the suggested power. So the more expensive AX1600i would never pay of for my middle son. And who use 750W compute power 24/7 ? This means the GPU and Cpu has to run at full power 24/7/365. I don't see many will max out all power 24/7. If this is still the case, the pc is put up the way that you let it run for automatic tasks. Not a normal use pc. This is more as server use. Or host machine for many clients. As I said in my previous posts. Nice to have over cheaper will never pay of if you hope save money on slightly more comparable in terms of efficient power adapters. Btw. What did you pay for the AX1600. Have to be very cheap if you think you'll save money on the better efficiency. In short... Cheaper model that fits your bill "will always be cheaper". Find very good deals is the only and best way to save money or cut cost. Not the 1 or 2% better efficency.

Thats great. But Money saving due the better effiency won't pay off. You still pay more than for an cheaper PSU with similar or slightly less efficency. It's there you will save your $$$$. More expensive means always less $$$ back in your pocket and over the (PSU's) lifespan. --------------------------------------------------------- How is this even possible? First you have to enable ECC in NCP for benching (with performance penalty) then you now need bios updates to play games with 4000 series cards. Nice. Older gen GPU as 3090 Ti have also ECC support but you don't need to enable it for benching. Nice.... New tech is always better. Or shall we say new tech sucks more than ever? Put in what fits. EA Says GeForce RTX 4090 Needs A BIOS Update To Play Nice With Need For Speed Unbound The early impressions on Steam for EA's newly released Need for Speed Unbound are "Very Positive" out of over 650 user votes. Be that as it may, there's an annoying issue that can manifest on high-end gaming PCs equipped with NVIDIA's flagship GeForce RTX 4090 graphics card, and the solution is an odd one—update the bios. It's not too often that a game publisher advises updating the BIOS on your graphics card. In fact, I can't recall a single time this has ever happened before now (feel free to enlighten me in the comments if this has actually happened before). Typically the workarounds for these kinds of issues involve game patches and driver updates, or other non-BIOS altering tweaks. Imagine you have a Dell Jokebook. As etc the older +5000$ Alienware Area-51M gaming flagship that burned up.... You was forced to update vBios to be able to play games.... Dell added power caps (crippled the performance) in the firmware and you was forced to do the upgrade with a nice performance penalty. Isn't that nice bro @Mr. Fox? Forced to do a firmware upgrade to play your games due stupid new Tech design solutions.

Anyone that would pay $800 for the coming RTX 4070? If this is near or close the price point from Nvidia, I think Jensen must go through extensive lobotomy... He just can't be a CEO anymore if he can't use his head. Even a blind man can see this is totally wrong. RTX 4070 in 4 months: doomed to be too expensive? overclocking.com https://en.overclocking.com/rtx-4070-in-4-months-doomed-to-be-too-expensive/ https://hwbot.org/submission/5134484_papusan_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i9_13900k_(8p)_72552_points

NVIDIA GeForce Graphics Drivers 527.37 WHQL You can find the NVIDIA release notes here. See also here.... NVIDIA GeForce 527.37 WHQL driver download & Discussion at Guru3.com/forum Please post your results. I wonder how much this new Nvidia driver will destroy for the users. And be careful if you have the new 4090 gaming flagship from Nvidia.... Minimum one quality fire extinguisher right beside your PC is mandatory😁 GeForce GRD 527.37 Feedback Thread (Released 12/1/22) https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/505276/geforce-grd-52737-feedback-thread-released-12122/ Rather quiet regarding complaints in the feedback threads. Not bad. Not bad at all. But how long was Adam in paradise?😎 A must have..... Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) V18.0.5.8 (DDU) V18.0.5.9 Techpowerup NVCleanstall v1.14.0

Asus started with this with the Z790 boards, then implemended it in the Z690 test bios versions. Tjis don't work with any Strix boards as of now. Isn’t graphics cards expensive as they are now? GPU Tariff Exemption Expires December 31, Could Spell Higher Graphics Card Prices By tomshardware.com | Today December might be a good time to buy a new graphics card… ”If the USTR does not reinstate the exclusions, then importers will have to pay a 25% duty on graphics cards starting January 1, 2023” This beaty is on same level as the obligatory 25% Tax here in Norway. But U.S citizen still come out cheaper. We have 25% tax on shipping as well. Everything we buy has this disaster on top.

MC SP increased from 75 to 77 after I flashed bios v2204 🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5133823_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_670_8419_marks https://hwbot.org/submission/5133821_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_670_31129_marks https://hwbot.org/submission/5133818_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_670_12538_marks

New test bios out for Asus Z690... v2204 RaptorLake Resources

New patch and new bugs. Fix one, then create a new one. Latest Windows 11 update causing issues with Task Manager, Microsoft working on a fix neowin · 48 minutes ago 0 Microsoft has published an advisory regarding an issue introduced with the latest Windows 11 version 22H2 update that renders some UI elements of the Task Manager unreadable for many users... Yesterday, Microsoft rolled out build 22621.900 (KB5020044) to Windows 11 version 22H2 users. This is a relatively major update that brings gaming improvements, storage alerts for OneDrive subscribers, and enhancements to Windows Spotlight, among many other things. However, the update has also introduced a new issue in Task Manager.

See above. I bought a Corsair HX1500i for my son. A very nice deal. The price I paid was even cheaper than from many U.S stores. This with the added +30% premium (Norweagian taxes/currency exchange tarifs included. And Igorslab have reviewed it last week... Corsair HX1500i PSU Review – Even without ATX 3.0 a real beast for enthusiasts In short... Look after a good deal. Not the new ATX 3.0 specs. I myself have the be quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 1500W Power Supply. A fantastic PSU and if you find it at a good price... Run and buy. Same for the Corsair HX1500i. And Igorslab have had ATX 3.0 as topic today/yesterday. Se conclution. Completely superfluous: Who (currently) needs expensive power supplies with ATX 3.0 and PCIe 5.0? igorslab.com Summary and conclusion Do we even need such an extremely oversized ATX 3.0 power supply at this point? For the moment, I would really answer this question with a clear no, if you follow certain basic rules when sizing the power supply when buying a new one. On the one hand, such power supplies can cause problems with older systems (voltage) and on the other hand it complicates the production (and costs) of really efficient power supplies and complete systems unnecessarily. Expensive instead of sensible, what a farce for the customer… If you are planning a NEW system with a high-end graphics card, you can of course rely on a new ATX 3.0 power supply, especially since you won’t have to search for the 12VHPWR cable. But buying such a usually more expensive power adapter just because you only want to replace the included 12VHPWR adapter is complete nonsense. As long as the current power supply is still good and not too old you are good to go. The good power supplies come with at least 5 years warranty to the customer, some even up to 10 years. If you now think you can’t go wrong with a new, expensive ATX 3.0 power supply and are making a sensible investment in the more distant future, you are unknowingly making a fundamental mistake! Because what has currently been announced as ATX 3.0 or has just come onto the market does not yet offer anything that older power supplies can’t, at least in terms of the graphics card connection and the smart power management. With a bit of bad luck, the great 400-euro PSU will be back to the technical stone age in two years when all four sense pins are finally used. LOOL. Thanks 🙂 But you know I hate "bling bling" HaHa

I mean KS is supported. The test bios for Z690 is built around Z790 firmware. There should also be an BIOS Ver. 000 floating as well with MC SP reading. I digged a bit and found what you need... Shamino posted about this... It seems Asus use different standards on their boards. Hence Strix boards is out. At least for the Z790 boards. Maybe ask him about your Z690 Strix board. Ask him if they will add it into a "working" test bios. Post #658 https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z790-owners-thread.1800191/page-33#post-29075404 But if people are able to run +6800 with sticks with M-Die stable and 12th gen chips then I think the MC is quite ok. MC on all 13th gen is a lot better than on 12th gen. Edit. Some have got the bottom barrel. These chips should have never ever come out from Intels factory. See above. But weird the bios made such horrible changes. Yep, firmware upgrades just follow same paths as what Microsoft offer with Windows CU patches. Either a Hit or a huge miss. But mostly the latter. Could be newer test bios is more optimized for RPL and A-die and the firmware developers forgot that the boards is also meant for 12th gen. See also...

Bios v2203 (test bioses) RaptorLake Resources For correct MC SP reading I think you need to put default settings (No tweaks and no custom settings). And it works for both 12th and 13th gen chips.

Asus have just started offer SP reading for MC for the Z790 boards. And we got same reading also MC predictions for Z690 with beta bios. Hope this also come to rest of the brands. I'm sure the elite benchers have know this a long time. Binned boards wasn't enough. They also got features others could only could dream about. And if you had this bios feature beforehand you could put a lot of the blame on the Cpu instead for on the boards for mem oc'ing. OH well. Fair competition in benching is reality? Nope. Custom firmware from the MB manufacturer, binned Cpu (both for the clock ratio amd mem), binned boards and binned Memory without any costs,... Will push you far into the top of the leaderboards without even have to compete in real.. This is what showed up in latest test bios on my board. MC SP75. Edit: How MC SP predictions is done on Asus boards. https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z790-owners-thread.1800191/post-29075361 Would like see SP rating back for graphics cards. We had Asic score in the older days. But of course this was something they wanted go away. Keywords = Greed. I'm sure all AIC partners have proper tools to measure asic. Not only Nvidia have it.

The numbers just show that Nvidia will lose gamers over on the Red side if 7900 series is close to 4080 or beat 4080 cards. Nvidia have nothing to offer the gamers around sub 1000$ or (sub) 1000$ cards for 4K gaming. Nvidia will has to target the 10% of population that lack common sense, all too much money or are just plain stupid. I can't see it another way. Could be nvidia don't have enough 4080 cards to sell. The one few they have will go to the already mentioned groups of people. Hence they still keep the 4080 at $1199 MSRP. Once the 7900 is launched, I expect Nvidia need to do something. Yep, they can continue throw out 4090, but how many cards do they have in shelves for sales? Binning has to happen, and not all silicon can be used for the top SKU. And only a few buy 4080, so...

Here's a graph on how many people who fits into your chart.............. Round it up and I think the number are closer to 10% of the population. 5% is happy to spend $1,100. 2% or less feel that the current $1,200 MSRP is justified or are willing to spend more than MSRP. $700-800 Ideal Price for GeForce RTX 4080: TechPowerUp Poll Surveying 11,000 Respondents EXCLUSIVE by techpowerup.com Today, 12:22 Discuss The ideal price for the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 "Ada" graphics card is around USD $700 to $800, according to results from a recent TechPowerUp Front-page poll surveying our readers. Our poll "How much would you pay for RTX 4080 at most?" received over 11,000 responses. At the number 1 spot with 22% of the vote is $800, closely followed by $700. Together, this range represents 44% of the voters. 14% of our readers think $600 is an ideal price, followed by "less than $400" at 13%. 9% think $500 seems fair, followed by 7% willing to spend as much as $900. 5% is happy to spend $1,100. 2% or less feel that the current $1,200 MSRP is justified or are willing to spend more than MSRP. There's more to a majority finding sanity with the $700 to $800 price-range.

Flawed silicon from 4090 (AD102) will be 4080 Ti before it will be dumbed down to 4080 (AD103). And 4080 is still not a full fat AD103 NVIDIA details AD102, AD103, AD104 GPU specs - TweakTown Back in business? They mostly has to rely on 4090 now. This is the only selling 4000 cards. And of course some Ampere silicon as they scrap older EOL cards. And how much of the older gen cards is already sold out to their AIC partners? They can't charge them two times to keep up profits. They has to sell something. And 4090 is too little. Imagine Ford suddenly can only sell one model. And this "only model" is the most expensive of them all. Fords market shares all over would sink as a stone in water and profits would follow same way. Down the drain. You need to offer more than one model nowadays. AMD will offer two models within 2.5 weeks and Nvidia is stuck with only the 4090 and almost no sales from 4080. Nvidia couldn't made it any easier for AMD. But they could destroy for the Red side if they did something with 4080 price point beforehand. And I expect they do so. Just hope they will change the MSRP for their second best Ada and not a dirty trick to destroy the launc of 7900 cards.

Nvidia saw what happened to Intel when AMD took over more and more market shares for processors the last half decade. Intel was forced to change course. You think Nvidia didn't learn anything from this and will let AMD also eat more market shares for graphics cards? Nope, won't happen. If they change 4080 prices they are back in business any day.

Not so sure Nvidia will keep same old tradition use the $x99 price label they are known for. Could be they will try change it and make it more appealing with $x49 price tags. I'm sure even Nvidia know people has less money to pay for fun nowadays and forwards. They has to do some changes to lure people to buy their over priced products.

$699 for 4070Ti means Nvidia has to do something with the 4080 price point. $500 gap between 3070Ti and 4080 is too big. Even $400 if they price it at more expected $799. Only a few will go with 4080 at 1199$ and will rather go with AMD at $899 or $999. None will go for a 3070 Ti for 4K. Maybe because the card is so much cheaper than 4080? Nope. This means Nvidia have nothing to offer for those that want 4K gaming. No in hell people will pay $1200 for 4080 in the long run. Once the hype for 4000 series is over and Nvidia don't change the price point for this card, the sales will be even worse than today. I expect nvidia will be forced to change where they have put 4080 and go down to $1099. A small premium over 7900XTX for the better features. Then add 4070Ti price point around $799. This way they can also try lure in 4070 at sub $600 ($100 premium over 3070). All cards will be more expensive than ever but not so stupid high priced that many gamers will go over on the Red side.

Nvidia Ceo Jensen should take a look in the mirror and try grasp reality... If he continue it's price strategy from Mining era for 4000 series cards it will go him bad. Sales of graphics cards hit lowest sales since a decade by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 11/28/2022 Yep, nvidia have to get rid of their old EOL cards they tried to push on the gamers while they sold all the Ampere cards to the miners. Those are also overpriced vs whats worth. People buy used instead of feed Nvidia with more money for old EOL cards. NVIDIA Reportedly Ends Production of GeForce RTX 2060 & GTX 1660 Series Graphics Cards https://wccftech.com/nvidia-reportedly-ends-production-of-geforce-rtx-2060-gtx-1660-series-graphics-cards/ The ugly truth for 4080... Many of the new 4080 cards from Nvidia will have a decent life in the stores shelves😃 Why pay 70% premium vs last gen xx80 Sku? The €20 discount below MSRP is a Joke, and the gamers should let them stay in the stores. Don't buy!!! GeForce RTX 4080 below MSRP, but only by €20 and only for a limited time Probably no reason to get excited just yet, but a good sign nonetheless. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-temporarily-drops-below-msrp-in-germany About time Nvidia has to follow AMD's road to Canossa... The nore they wait the worse it will be. AMD Ryzen 7000 get significant price cuts on official webstore https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000-cpus-get-official-new-low-prices-on-amd-webstore The company has now followed other big retailers who were the first to offer desktop Ryzen 7000 series at significantly lower prices. The discount applies to all four Ryzen 7000 SKUs that were released less than two months ago.