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I see more games below 90 fps. The few inflated games that is above 150 fps screw up the whole graph. I would say well below 90 fps 🙂

Look from 11:20 Zen 4 sell horrible. Maybe the need for the full package is too much to swallow? Next on the list who will have horrible sales... Nvidia? Yep, hope so. People have less money nowadys and this will of course stop you from spending all too much on the most expensive tech. And the "new normal from AMD" as 95C wasn't very tempting. A year old Alder lake is still a thing.... AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Review: 8-Core Zen 4 Can't Quite Top Its 'Alder Lake' Counterpart pcmag.com

Be at the mercy of Nvidia just mean you all will be screwed. Maybe they will let 3000 series have it but at what costs? It's Nvidia that will dictate how it will perform. And they are the master of tuning drivers for all their "older" graphics cards. At least if we talk about features meant for newest cards. Could be they make it halfway works 🙂 This way, maybe you finaly see that newest gen cards is what you want. More as ads for the new, HaHa Nvidia's tone-deaf RTX 40-series pricing is a golden opportunity for AMD and Intel LOOL. nvidia is afraid the new power connector and high power consumption will push buyers over on the Red side's new gen graphics cards (Most likely very comparable graphics cards vs Nvidia 4000 series and at cheaper price). Yep very needed HaHa Nvidia Clears the Air on GeForce RTX 40-series Power Requirements

I have no problem with that 🙂 Newegg Listings of Custom RTX 4090 Graphics Cards Indicate Pricing-Sanity Slowly Returning Techpowerup.com | Today As with the recent pre-launch listing of 13th Gen Core desktop processors, US retailer Newegg put out listings of various custom-design NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 "Ada" graphics cards, revealing their launch prices. These prices appear close enough to the $1,599 baseline price set by NVIDIA, to conclude that pricing sanity is slowly returning to the graphics card market. A lot will however depend on how the market behaves on October 12, when the RTX 4090 goes on sale; particularly whether scalpers vaporize inventory within minutes. Even if they did, scalpers would only see demand from the niche that actually wants to spend north of $1,600 on a graphics card, there are no crypto-currency miners lining up to buy graphics cards. Especially not after the Ethereum merge. The ASUS ROG Strix O24G is the most expensive card of the lot, priced at $1,999, or a $400 premium. Nvidia’s tone-deaf RTX 40-series pricing is a golden opportunity for AMD and Intel Nvidia's RTX 40-series cards come with a massive sticker shock, and a chance for its competitors to strike back hard.

I think I’ll stop here. Maybe for my next setup🙂

More pict of the crocks for bro @electrosoft🙂 And more parts. I can probably build a second setup with what I have now. The new black tubes have same (ID) but thicker (OD). Easier to bend without get kinks in the hose. I also have blank tubes in the drawer, but those is ugly and will destroy the "all black" looks. Not even an option as spare parts. Maybe my older son want it. He enjoy lots of lights (bling bling). From what I have read on the web, the Thermalright contact frame won't do much if you have the new EK water block for 1700 socket. But I still ordered it. And yep, there is a difference in inner diameter on different brands fittings that have same diameter (ID) specs. This is the weakest link in the loop together with lots of 90° angle/QDC fittings. I will rather use an 2x45 rotary fitting and replace the 90° angle fittings where it fits. Just sad I had only the black chrome options. Oh'well. But it won't be a big problem as it will be for the top radiators and out of sight. And the bling bling is picked of from the pump. All black bro @Mr. Fox 🙂Probably many that think I go bananas destroying bling bling thaty follow the hardware. Just sad you have to pay more for features I don't want.

Look at this disgusting mess. Asus say you can't downgrade. But the stupids at Microsoft who got the bioses from Asus will offer an downgrade. This is todays tech.... Whats the difference between stupid and retarded? Can they be both?

Asus prefer the Dell way. If you prefer older bios versions for benching older Cpu's then you are screwed if you update your firmware for 13th gen processors. When did Asus learn all the dirty tricks in the book from Dell? This comes on on top of forced bios updates with windows. Yep, Asus let Microsoft help them push out new buggy beta bios versions. Asus = Dell now. Can't be any worse than that. And EVGA is soon no options. What have we left? Not much if you ask me. Desktops going the way we have with lap-jokes.

The hidden mess is due Futuremark help the hardware manufacturers to stop spreading benchmarks results from not released hardware. Disgusting that the users that have paid for an software license being treated like this. Their coding skills is awful if they can’t differentiate what results that can be showed. And UL still can’t fix the eGpu mess in the different results leaderboards. So there you have Futuremark UL 😎

Be aware you need an beefy cooling. One bin up for each 20C degrees you can go below... The new normal. God luck, brother with your new build. And remember... Don't go bananas with bling bling😎 All black, brother🙂

Dell Alienware with a huge uprade of their +20 years old chassis construction (a old box wrapped in with glossy pastic). I don't mean the chassis. The re-fresh is in short the same old trash-box but with 240mm AIO, slightly stronger PSU and a couple of more fans. Yep, a huge upgrade this time from Dell. Yep forgot, they even offer DDR5-4800 memory this time. Dell = Today's Joke. And I'm 100% sure the Alienware fanboys will be very pleased/happy with this new fantastic upgrade. Oh' gosh, happy i don't have to spend a dime on this. Alienware Aurora R15 Gets 13th Gen Intel, RTX 40-Series, Better Cooling By Tomshardware.com | Today Finally, a 240 mm AIO CPU cooler. Yep, that huge 240 mm AIO will make wonders for the 13th gen Intel unlocked flagship. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/alienware-aurora-r15-update-rtx-4090-intel-13th-gen/ Huge beeefy VRM cooler-block heatsinks. And Alienware says the Aurora R15 supports whopping eight lighting zones, including several internal ambient and other lighting capabilities. So you should be able to customize the lighting to your specific tastes (and to show off to others - your equals).

I just hope AMD will take an Intel for RDNA 3-based RX 7000 cards and destroy the fun for Nvidia. And they can do that with their new cards. Blink blink, Jensen 🙂

The main problem is the latest and greatest from Redmond. New changes in the core OS and more useless features will make a huge havoc for the users. And Redmond say they will release new moments several times a year now. This on top of the feature updates annually. And this below will be the outcome.... Todays Microsoft word... HAVOC!!!! More update problems, this time affecting Rocket Lake processors Windows 11 22H2 suffers nasty bug that crashes some PCs with Intel CPUs By Darren Allan published Today Got an Intel CPU? Then you may not be able to upgrade to Windows 11 22H2, at least not yet.

The $699 Ryzen 9 7950X is 5% faster in gaming than Intel’s Core i9-12900K, but this chip is really designed for the productivity-minded. The 7950X was 44% faster than the Core i9-12900K in our multi-threaded tests, making it the most powerful desktop PC chip currently available. The Zen 4 architecture also closes the gap with Alder Lake in single-threaded applications, addressing a particularly glaring deficiency against Alder Lake. 5% faster than 12900K in games. But beaten by AMDs last years castrated 3D v-cashe chips. Oh'well. Can't offer everything. It does well in 3DM Fire strike physics but fail in the same sub test in 3DM Time spy. What's that? Because AMD found it ideal that the new chips can only do SSE3 instructions for this bench. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-ryzen-5-7600x-cpu-review https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_7950x_review,21.html Amd Ryzen Zen4 overclock....... For our manual overclocking efforts, we were a bit more ambitious. We initially shot for a lofty 5.5GHz all-core overclock at 1.35v, but we couldn't get the system stable. At this speed, the system booted, but the chip's temp would quickly shoot to 95°C as expected and under sustained load our rig would shut down. So, we backed the voltage and multiplier down incrementally and eventually settled into a 5.3GHz all-core overclock at only 1.3v, while also running the memory at DDR5-6000. https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-9-7900x-and-7950x-cpu-review?page=6 LOOOL..... https://wccftech.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-ryzen-7-7700x-cpu-review-a-new-era-of-zen-begins-today/10/ And I'm quite sure the gamers on the Red side will say temps in gaming is more than OK sufficient even if the chips will warm up their room in an hot summer day, LOOL I hope AMD will have a success with 7000 series Ryzen chips so they can push Intel to the brink regarding delivering performance/normal prices forwards. Only then the competition will works as it should. Edit. REVIEW ROUNDUP (from several review web sites) AMD Ryzen 7000 Zen4 “Raphael” Desktop CPU Review Roundup https://videocardz.com/138525/amd-ryzen-7000-zen4-raphael-desktop-cpu-review-roundup AMD's Achilles heel.... The old and cheaper locked down 5800X3D. What's the point? https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/review-ryzen-9-7950x-processor-with-asrock-x670e-taichi-motherboard.444757/page-4#post-6054814

Thats, ok. I normally use to do that if the content has to be put in more than one thread (Post the links and put with a small update/write up on the topic). Thanks. Edit. Done.

What with benchmarks results posts? I mean they should be in this thread. Less post in this thread will make it dead. Not many post benchmarks so...

The $699 Ryzen 9 7950X is 5% faster in gaming than Intel’s Core i9-12900K, but this chip is really designed for the productivity-minded. The 7950X was 44% faster than the Core i9-12900K in our multi-threaded tests, making it the most powerful desktop PC chip currently available. The Zen 4 architecture also closes the gap with Alder Lake in single-threaded applications, addressing a particularly glaring deficiency against Alder Lake. 5% faster than 12900K in games. But beaten by AMDs last years castrated 3D v-cashe chips. Oh'well. Can't offer everything. It does well in 3DM Fire strike physics but fail in the same sub test in 3DM Time spy. What's that? Because AMD found it great/ideal that the new chips can only do SSE3 instructions for this bench. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-ryzen-5-7600x-cpu-review https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_7950x_review,21.html Amd Ryzen Zen4 overclock....... For our manual overclocking efforts, we were a bit more ambitious. We initially shot for a lofty 5.5GHz all-core overclock at 1.35v, but we couldn't get the system stable. At this speed, the system booted, but the chip's temp would quickly shoot to 95°C as expected and under sustained load our rig would shut down. So, we backed the voltage and multiplier down incrementally and eventually settled into a 5.3GHz all-core overclock at only 1.3v, while also running the memory at DDR5-6000. https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-9-7900x-and-7950x-cpu-review?page=6 LOOOL..... https://wccftech.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-ryzen-7-7700x-cpu-review-a-new-era-of-zen-begins-today/10/ And I'm quite sure the gamers on the Red side will say temps in gaming is more than OK sufficient even if the chips will warm up their room in an hot summer day, LOOL I hope AMD will have a success with 7000 series Ryzen chips so they can push Intel to the brink regarding delivering performance/normal prices forwards. Only then the competition will works as it should.

You can do that also with Intel systems. But not a good idea for longevity of the chips. I expect same also for Ryzen 7000 series chips. A great idea if you want an new chips 🙂

Nope. My reply to bro @electrosoftwas also meant for you 🙂

It's weirdo/suspicious that both Intel and AMD follow so close each other with performance uplift. And AMD use an total different node shrink/arc vs Intel. They still manage to get about same performance from their top chips. Whom follow who, I don't know. But stock scores from the new gen AMD Ryzen isn't very enticing as I see it from my view of point. This is bare minimum from what to expect when you have competition. Damn Intel who continue with more and more baby cores. But this is to be expected due power goes bananas because of Intel 7 10nm++++++++++. 14nm up again but in new clothes. As well (an bigger die for more real cores will be too expensive to be made/used - due same 10nm+++++++++ problem) The Emperor's Intel's New Clothes - Wikipedia

And we will see 4090Ti at 2874 euro (included tax). This even with out the added Mining premium. The beauty, living in a Tax hell. Yep, new gen chips will provide better performance. Remember AMD scrapped the yearly upgrade. You will get slightly better performance uplift if you only reales new products every second year 🙂 LEAK 2022-09-25 11:27 AMD Ryzen 7950X/7900X/7700X/7600X stock Cinebench scores leaked

Arctic is recalling batches of MX-5 thermal paste due.... More for those interested....

Nvidia defend their latest scam with crap talk. There's also the question of why the RTX 4080 12GB isn't just called the RTX 4070. Talking with Nvidia during a briefing, this exact question came up: What was the thought process behind calling the 12GB chip a 4080 instead of a 4070, especially since it's a different chip? Nvidia's Justin Walker, Senior Director of Product Management, said, "The 4080 12GB is a really high performance GPU. It delivers performance considerably faster than a 3080 12GB... it's faster than a 3090 Ti, and we really think it's deserving of an 80-class product." Frankly, that's a crap answer. Of course it's faster! It's a new chip and a new architecture; it's supposed to be faster. Remember when the GTX 1070 came out and it was faster than a 980 Ti? I guess that wasn't "deserving" of an 80-class product name. Neither was the RTX 2070 when it matched the 1080 Ti, or the 3070 when it matched the 2080 Ti. Why Nvidia's RTX 4080, 4090 Cost so Damn Much tomshardware.com https://www.tomshardware.com/news/why-nvidias-4080-4090-cost-so-damn-much Nvidia hasn't released die shots or renderings of AD103 and AD104 just yet, but we do have the full specs. They're quite a bit smaller, and much of that comes from reducing core counts, memory interfaces, and L2 cache size. The 4080 models will naturally be higher volume products than the 4090, though it's worth pointing out that the 4090 potentially has 70% more compute, 50% more memory bandwidth and capacity, and uses 41% more power, all while "only" costing 33% more. In other words, RTX 4080 16GB pricing is proportionately worse than the RTX 4090. Yep, not only is the "castrated 4080@12GB of bad value due you pay premium for xx70 performance, but the more expensive real 4080 give a bad value as well. In short the the whole xx80 line-up is messed up. Jensen need to clean up, but I doub't he will do that. What a Ugly box. I wonder how big the 5000 series xx90 will be. AORUS GeForce RTX 4090 MASTER is the biggest RTX 4090 so far, by far Anthony Garreffa | Sep 22, 2022 8:58 PM CDT NVIDIA unleashed its new GeForce RTX 4090 but now AIB partners are announcing their new custom RTX 4090 designs... and man... GIGABYTE's new custom AORUS GeForce RTX 4090 MASTER makes the word behemoth feel small. Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/video_cards/index.html

Because of bad QC - quality. They was forced to run it EOL to save face and reputation. I expect we will get a re-branded product with different color (fancy paste colors is modern today - Grey is out) and a small change in W/mk specs to lure the buyers. Arctic appears to be retiring the MX-5 line of thermal compounds due to consistency issues. At Arctic, the product is now labeled "End of Life." Arctic halts troublesome MX-5 thermal paste; MX-6 successor spotted at almost three times the price By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 09/22/2022 07:22 PM Arctic's MX-5 thermal paste is no longer available and has been replaced by the MX-6. Although the latest version is not yet accessible on the manufacturer's website, it is now available on Amazon. The 4 grams version costs 28.75 euros including shipping. Read more

Yep, as long they show only white🙂 Microsoft just can't stop screw up their latest and greatest. Windows 11 22H2 apparently causing problems on Nvidia graphics cards https://notebooktalk.net/topic/168-all-about-windows-11-news-and-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=14046