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No point in 4x 8-pin if Intel go with the lower TDP as mentioned in the video. And then we have the new modern ATX 3.0 PSUs. They crimp on PCIE 8-pin connectors due the new modern Nvidia connector. Etc... If you go with a Apex MB with Intel GPU you'll need a PSU with minimum 7x 8-pin connectors. And that won't happen (4 for the Gpu and 3 for the Cpu/MB). See. This is the new modern PSUs for new modern graphics cards... https://www.thermaltakeusa.com/toughpower-gf3-850w-gold-tt-premium-edition.html https://file.thermaltake.com/file/qig/Connect_PCIe_Cables_to_High_Power_Consumption_GPU_en.pdf

GTX 980Ti https://hwbot.org/submission/5286054_papusan_3dmark03_geforce_gtx_980_ti_326415_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5286017_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_980_ti_110048_marks?recalculate=true

With the nice friendship with China over Taiwan I can see why Uncle Joe want chips fabs built fast other places (just look at what happened with oil/gas from Russia to Europe - Dams stupid Merkel). And what's better than nvidia pay some of the bills? But don't expect cheaper graphics cards... Nvidia won't sell their graphics cards cheaper if they get a better deal with Intel😎 The CableMod QC nightmare continue.... Is this normal for cablemod basic e series 12vhpwr connector?

What can Nvidia do to stop TSMC from double up and tripple the prices for new tech? Subsidies has to be todays word. You pay the difference with what you pay in taxes/fees. If Intel can offer nvidia a good deal. Why should they say no?

Intel need all customers they can get.... Subsidies are not enough. They need someone to pay the bills. Intel CEO Announces 'IDM 2.0' Strategy for Manufacturing Intel's 'IDM 2.0' Strategy Defined in 60 Seconds Intel could match TSMC for chip transistor density later this year

I know you like avesome and focus on exelense. Would you like help to update your old firmware without you need to touch it? And wouldn't it be nice if Gigabyte also offered no roll-back option "same as Asus offer" so you don't risk roll back to older unsecure firmware by accident? I just love how the HW manufacturers always try to improve their current and new producs Eclypsium said it is working with Gigabyte to address the insecure implementation of the feature. For what it's worth, Eclypsium found the backdoor on over 260 Gigabyte boards. The full list of affected motherboards has been published for your convenience. Gigabyte shipped hundreds of models of motherboards with a hidden firmware backdoor Cause for concern, or no big deal? Facepalm: Firmware security services provider Eclypsium recently detected what it described as suspected backdoor-like behavior on some Gigabyte systems in the wild. A follow-up analysis revealed Gigabyte is using code in motherboard firmware to quietly run an updater program that connects to the Internet to download and subsequently install firmware updates. I wouldn't be thrilled about a company updating my motherboard's firmware without my approval. What if the new firmware wasn't compatible with my hardware, or messed up my overclock? In the meantime, concerned parties can block access to the following URLs that get pinged to check for updates: http://mb.download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Swhttp/LiveUpdate4 https://mb.download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Swhttp/LiveUpdate4 https://software-nas/Swhttp/LiveUpdate4

More stupidity. Now the kids have to open the backside chassis panel to check the 12VHPWR power connector. And on top you most likely need to buy a new chassis.

In the end I won't save a single cent. The chance that I have to pay more is bigger than the opposite. What next? You get the PSU in parts and have to mount it yourself?

Is there any reason this so called OC "Garbage" MB from Asus can't stick with CSM Enabled? I need the DVI port to be able to boot the old AMD card (with CSM Enabled). Once I change to newer Display port on the old AMD card then its a lottery when the MB determine to disable CSM or continue with correct bios settings. Once disabled CSM, the pc won't recognize the card and the nice white video lights on the MB come on and stay. And swapping back to old DVI doesn't help. This only happen with older AMD card. Never older nvidia card. If I turn of the pc when running in Uefi mode and put in an very old Nvidia card, the MB fix it easly by itself and swap over to the correct compatibility mode. Is this a buggy AMD trash behaviour, Asus trash OC board who don't like older AMD Asus graphics cards? Or both? Nice... Asus can't even support own older Asus graphics card paired with own MB. And this is a so called OC board intended for benching. A flagship meant to push world records on new and old gen hw. If I wanted a vanilla gamer board for new and shiny hardware I would buy one. And not this Asus mess. I would laugh highly if this board supported other brands old AMD Gpus but not own branded cards. As a reminder. I can't even use the 980 K|ngp|n card with XOC vbios with display port. Only DVi will work with this card on this crappy Asus board. And how much extra will they charge for even more bling bling and the added X? Gigabyte's Z790 Aorus Xtreme X Incorporates a Display, In Time for Raptor Lake Refresh CableMod support have full time helping the screwed.... 12VHPWR right angle adapter melted The real russian roulette. Roll the lottery wheel/roll the dice and pick what fits, HaHa

Yep and newer doesn't always mean better. Newer often means cost cutting. Most likely revamped dumbed down for possible price decrease when Nvidia find the right time. Make the card and cooler smaller is most likely to reduce the costs. Not for innovation. MSI Trims Down GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GPU tomshardware.com The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X SlimY 12G is essentially a cut-down version of the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X Trio 12G. It features a slightly revamped shroud but sticks to MSI's Tri Frozr 3 cooling system. MSI told Tom's Hardware Deputy Managing Editor Paul Alcorn that an RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 will come later. As the model name insinuates, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X Slim 12G flaunts a more svelte profile than MSI's other GeForce RTX 4070 Ti graphics cards. That doesn't mean the graphics card is tiny enough to fit inside small form factor (SFF) systems, though. Again... Whats the point with this dumbed down design if many can't put it in their new modern tiny fancy toy boxes? And not the first time Msi have dumbed down their 4070 Ti cards.... This is the Gaming X Trio's Slimy sibling... Despite the solid VRM design, MSI chose to limit the manual adjustment power limit to only 305 W, or +20 W. Maybe this was done to segment the card from the Suprim X, which goes up to 365 W.

See my post above. Stupid is the new normal. Better have only one 12VHPWR connector on the GPU end of the cable. So in short.... I can happy live with the older PSU standard but with the added 12VHPWR adapter from the PSU manufacturer (2x8pin adapter for 12VHPWR) is a way better than the new ATX 3.0 PSUs. Same with the ATX 3.0 PSUs as todays Jokebooks.... When they add the new modern connector on the PSU side they can remove some of the 8-pin power connectors on the PSU itself. People should be happy they keept their older PSUs. No need for ATX 3.0 PSUs right now. You only get double doses of dumb. And thats just dumb if you ask me😎 You can get the Alphacool Core 120mm fan PWM 3000rpm (120x120x25mm) and Alphacool Core 140mm fan PWM 2500rpm (140x140x25mm). They are very cheap. From $5.5 up to $7.5 for the 140mm. See if you can find them. But remember don't buy the 4000rpm 120mm fans as this is a real whiny server fan. But you get a lot for the money with these Alphacool fans (not the server fan).

This is why buying an Asus ROG Strix 4090 OC Edition was a hit or miss. Asus saved up the better bins the last months for their new 4090 AIO cards. And you get telemetry on top. Nice. And why? The ROG Matrix RTX 4090 sports only a single 12VHPWR cable. In short cheaper add a sensor that can track if there is something wrong with the 12VHPWR connector. The HOF offer it as well but you also get dual 12VHPWR connector to balance the current between 12 power pins. So this means it was hard (to expensive) to add a second 12VHPWR connector for their flagship. But you got telemetry functionality and loads of bling bling. Nice to have, LOOL As a flagship card, the ROG Matrix RTX 4090 features a Dual BIOS switch, allowing you to seamlessly switch between Quiet and Performance modes. Produced with our Auto Extreme manufacturing process, the entire PCB is soldered in a single, fully automated pass, reducing costs and eliminating the need for harsh cleaning chemicals in between solder passes. The ROG Matrix GeForce RTX 4090 is built with the highest quality components, ensuring peak performance for the life of the card. Nice, if they didn't do the single fully automated pass you would have to pay more. A huge big win for the buyers😀 https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-announces-rog-matrix-geforce-rtx-4090-gpu-featuring-360mm-aio-and-liquid-metal When we first talking about Asus... I give up the compatibility problems between the old AMD Asus graphics card paired with my Asus board. The damn Asus Amd card will only power up when it wants. Mostly never. I only have a white VGA lighs on the board. This is a huge on/off lottery. So I throw the cheapo Asus card in my drawer. And there it will stay until I maybe buy a MB from another manufacurer than ASUS. Maybe it works then. Is it what I think it is? HELP

I wonder why CableMod/custom cable industri couldn't do the same for their 12VHPWR connectors. Afraid for increased costs? And why didn't Nvidia go for this solution for their adaper that follow every single 4090 package? Again.... It's again about costs. Every extra cents will be transformed into profits. And don't tell me that the overpaid nvidia engineers couldn't find out this by themself. And as you can see... The damn weak tiny hook/latch struggle to hold the small fragile 12VHPWR connector into place. Thermal cycling and or the user do small changes in the Pc box can pull out the connector 1-1.5mm without much force. This connector ain't foolproof. A small user errors and a few months later you'll smell the smoke. MSI’s two-color 12VHPWR cables are hard to plug incorrectly. Posted 39 minutes ago............ May or maybe not fully seated. Regardless, blackscreen due melting and fire. This is one of the first sign you'll see before its too late. Fully Seated 4090 90 degree adapter melted HD 6870 https://hwbot.org/submission/5284362_papusan_3dmark05_radeon_hd_6870_57709_marks?recalculate=true

HD 6870 https://hwbot.org/submission/5284025_papusan_3dmark2001_se_radeon_hd_6870_167529_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5284019_papusan_aquamark_radeon_hd_6870_518316_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5284008_papusan_3dmark05_radeon_hd_6870_57677_marks?recalculate=true

Nice. The gamers on low budget often run on slightly older PC platforms. Buy this new and shiny operpriced disaster from Nvidia can't make you feel well. I have seen older 3060Ti for$315 and I expect we will see even lower prices. There is absolutely no reason you should buy the coming 16GB 4060Ti. It will only be worse. Wait for the 16GB 4060Ti ? Not so sure about that. Paying 100-200$ USD more for software tuning is just disgusting. So this Sunday's word has to be.... Disgusting. https://hwbot.org/submission/5283997_papusan_3dmark05_radeon_hd_6870_57246_marks?recalculate=true Edit. HD 6870 - 3DM06 https://hwbot.org/submission/5283988_papusan_3dmark06_radeon_hd_6870_36174_marks?recalculate=true

What have happened here? This is after clean up. Loads of scratches. The paste that was used was totally dried up. Rock hard and almost nothing on top of the die. HD 6870 - 3DM 06 https://hwbot.org/submission/5283229_papusan_3dmark06_radeon_hd_6870_35795_marks?recalculate=true

Probably not enough... But you didn't get what to expect for more money. At least, the custom cables should be on equal quality. Not less. I don't lke form over functionality. This was also one of the main reasons I jumped from laptops.

Higher drop in voltage just means the cable quality/build quality is lower. So pay more get less😎 Very low voltage (or below specs) indicate something is wrong. Or you just bougth the cheapest PSU you could find (often much cheaper for a reason). The fancy custom cables/adapters is for looks. But it won't provide much benefits over what you get with high quality PSU package. And if the CableMod custom cables offer lower 12v lowes (higher voltage drops), they offer even less. Is less more bro @Mr. Fox?

But, but. Isn't added RGB/bling control appealing? Gamers and bling bling jockey's will love it. How this Windows Beta OS looks and feels has to better than stability and performance going downwards due more added useless features/services and ongoing patch problems every damn month. Microsoft simplifies RGB control with "Dynamic Lighting" in Windows 11 https://www.igorslab.de/en/microsoft-vereinfacht-rgb-steuerung-mit-dynamic-lighting-in-windows-11/ -------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmm. Maybe my English is not perfect or do I read this correct? The Nvidia adaper dongle offer higher average voltage for the 12v rails than the fancy CableMod kit.... Do I read it wrong? From my understanding the Nvidia dongle offer less drop in 12v voltage. In short you pay more for less. These voltages look ok ?

Finallly got a working software for increasing voltage for HD6870. MSI Afterburner could only do clocks and memory. Same also with Evga software. Even Asus own newer OC' tools don't work properly with own products. https://hwbot.org/submission/5282608_papusan_aquamark_radeon_hd_6870_515035_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5282602_papusan_3dmark05_radeon_hd_6870_55611_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5282612_papusan_3dmark06_radeon_hd_6870_35468_marks?recalculate=true

LoooL. Enjoy 🙂 What's next? Steve being called out for being paid shill? HaHaHa And AMD screwed up for the old power connector standard.... Radeon RX 7600 is not compatible with all power connectors Graphics card yesterday 17:01 The design around the reference board's power connector means that some 6+2 pin connectors cannot be pushed all the way in. The problem mainly affects power connectors of the 6+2-pin type, where two of the connector pins "hang" to the side. The plastic edge that locks the two extra pins to the rest of the connector is in some cases too high and receives a protruding edge from the graphics card's cover plate. A design oversight prevents some power connectors from being fully inserted. So AMD outsource design jobs to less educated engineers to cut costs further? Hmmm. If not.... Why try reinvent the wheel? AMD's Reference RX 7600 Card Doesn't Fit Some 6+2-Pin Connectors Lack of full insertion of the connector hasn't caused any "meltdowns" as far as we can tell, unlike NVIDIA and its RTX 4090 connectors. That's likely because AMD's RX 7600 design flaw means the power connector will either fit or it won't. But why do this possible in first place? In conclusion, AMD has ensured that none of the cards with the power connector design flaw make it to customers, while it works on a revision that comes out "over the coming weeks." Good job! AMD Confirms: RX 7600 Reference Cards in Retail will Not Have Power Connector Flaw

GTX 980 - 3DM 2001 https://hwbot.org/submission/5281914_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_980_209690_marks?recalculate=true

I mean the ITX boards have only single 8pin socket to feed the Cpu. Well on the brink with an oc'd 13900K. The cheaper atx boards come with 8+4. Maybe OK with an oc'd 12900K/KS but I would think twice going with an oc'd 13900K. Edit. I think CableMod need sell 200 adapters to come break even paying for the customers 4090🙂 This if they can manage a nice 30% profits after all costs with the adaper/cable. Variant B Adapter Melted 2 hours ago 10 minutes into gaming tonight, my adapter began to melt. I started smelling burnt plastic and my PC began to fill up with smoke. I've played on this build for 5 months now with zero issues. I decided to get an angled adapter to avoid the possibility of having my GPU damaged due to a bent cable........ Bubbles Bubbles everywhere 🙂 Regarding to Techspot editor's advice above... This wouldn't happen with an ATX 3.0 PSU, LOOL

It was a problem for many 3090 cards. MSI also used pads for the Suprim cards that bleed out. And I expect vram temps on used cards ain't equal good as they was when the card was new. At least not on the 3090 vs 3090Ti. GDDR6X in 3080 and 3090 Hits 110C While Mining ... Used cards whatever they are used for mining or gaming... You may need change the thermal pads. At least for the bottom row vram for 3090. The bottom vram ain't good enough cooled.

Yep, can't see the 12VHPWR connector is major problem for the 3000 series flagshisp. If he find a similar priced 3090Ti as 3090 I would jump on that (depending on the model of the card of course). Getting all vram under same heatsink is nice to have if you don't bother or have the time tear down the 3090 to replace the bottom vram pads with better pads. But you probably don't know the vram temps before you use the card. Nvidia solved the high bottom vram temps with the Ti card. What I don't like with the older FE models is the locked down board power. Maybe not a problem for everyone but this type of limitations doesn't fits me.