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Good stuff! I am hoping that once I get my green PCB A-Die or whatever I end up getting I can really push D5. I saw a screenshot today with 6600 Team Group A-Die that was at 7600 on a Z790 4 Dimm Hero board with a 13900K. I think I finally stabilized 7000 CL32. Looking like all I needed was to increase my VCCSA a tad to a +90mV offset. Just passed 5000% and no issues.

https://twitter.com/JohnOspanov/status/1569233547218812928?s=20&t=QXvb2Ta35DNHRcqS1GYgUw While I suppose there is always a chance, I am going to listen to the guy that is there talking to Intel directly at an event. Until Intel announces anything, it's all rumor.

Looks like you've got some great performance, bit more tuned than me for sure. This is what I get with the stability test I did earlier today. Once it hit 5000% I went and gamed and had no issues. I'll try and get CR1 and try and tune it down later or tomorrow. I want the A-Die for Sub 50ns end-game.

Good stuff thanks! Will try this out. Currently testing 6933 CL32 2T for stability on the Renegades. They run about 5c cooler with more voltage than the Trident sticks. I like to see around 3000-4000%. coverage before I go play some games. I've had it pass 10000K before and CTD randomly. Usually if it passes 3-4K and then a few hours of gaming I'm good to go from my experience. Y-Cruncher 2.5b or Geekbench 5 are also pretty good at finding memory instability fast. The PMIC Turbo option seemingly might be the key that I had no tried to go further. Might have to go back and try the G.Skill sticks again later. For now I think I'll push up to 7K and keep messing with the PMIC turbo options to see if it continues to help.

I don't think those are "A-Die" SK Hynix. A die have an "A" in the middle of the part # instead of the M. They're also 5600MTs 1.1v instead of 4800MTs 1.1v This Dark board is incredible for memory OC. I just passed 4000% coverage at 6800 CL32 2T. Now testing 1T and it's having no issues either. WOW. This board has me excited for 13900K 6Ghz and crazy memory speeds. ADL memory controller is just OK, but rumor is RPL is improved quite a bit and A Die is going to push the limits even further. AMD being stuck at 6000MTs max for "sweet spot" is very sucky indeed.

Hit me with that link brother. I also grabbed some EK Monarchs to cool them. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ANJRKPQ?psc=1&smid=A3GO5VFCNOM5I7&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp

Thanks! I discovered the Extreme Voltage mode to unlock the PMIC limit. Works a treat on my G.Skill Z5 6400 CL32 kit, still have to test my Renegades that have a different PMIC brand. Hoping the Renegades OC further, I am guessing they will because they actually cool the PMIC with a thermal pad unlock the idiots at G.Skill. Do you know what the VSA and VCCIO voltages are in HWInfo? I am seeing them at 1.8v and hoping that isn't system agent voltage. Currently testing 6800 CL32 at 1.47v on my G.Skill kit. 😃 7000 CL32 boots, but errors almost immediately into a test. Good enough for a latency test but not much else. Of course that was at 1.435v which clearly isn't going to cut it. I am in line for an "A Die" kit from Splave over at HWbot. He ran out this week but let me reserve some that he is getting in next week. They should pair nicely with this board. He is claiming minimum 7600 CL32 1.55v which is crazy and exciting for DDR5 overclocking. https://community.hwbot.org/topic/219454-fs-binned-ddr5-a-die-hynix/ The sale thread if anyone is interested.

Thanks, just got it mostly setup. I updated the BIOS to the latest that supports PMIC unlock for Renasis PMIC type. Out of box BIOS was kinda meh. I am so used to Asus, is there really no fan curve option in the BIOS? The constant percentage or SMART thing has to be a joke. Latest BIOS seems to have cache broken and locked at 3.6Ghz which is weird, thankfully I can bypass this with ELEET software. Latest BIOS also trying to kill my 12900KS LOL. The voltage it puts through the chip is ridiculous and completely unnecessary. Even my Asus board didn't even get close to the pull this thing was trying. I am currently at -180mV and -25 vdroop to get back to normal CPU package and temps for same perf. On Asus I used LLC4 and -70mV. Different, but it's just stupid to put that much voltage through the chip at stock settings, no wonder reviewers complain about temps, power, etc. The board variances are crazy. Memory OC looks promising though! Excited to do some testing now.

Decided to go Z690 Dark. I hope the 2x dimm board lets me push DDR5 a bit further than my 4x Hero. I wanted an Apex, but this gen Apex seemingly was a fail and it's not been sold outside of scalper prices since near launch. I doubt Z790 is going to bring much and the sale was a good deal for a high end board. I should have some "A-Die" in a couple weeks so I can really get some high clocking DDR5.

Yes they will. The refined 10nm that allows for high clocks like AMD and the cache improvements. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/16997007 This is my terrible 12600K at 5ghz/3.9ghz E cores. Destroys the 7600x in multi and not terribly far behind in single. A 13600K with much higher clocks and double E cores is not even going to be close for AMD at the price points. Edit: Update my score.

@Mr. Fox How is the Dark Z690? I haven't pulled the trigger yet but I'm tempted to grab it while it's still on a good sale. I don't want to pay full price for a Z790 unless some substantial gains are to be had in the memory OC department or some other features. Wish we had more details about Z790. If anyone is looking for decently priced SK Hynix DDR5 6400 CL32 kit, I got these a couple days ago and having no issues running them on a 4 dimm Asrock board with a crappy IMC 12600K at XMP. These should also work great on upcoming AM5 boards. https://shop.kingston.com/products/renegade-silver-ddr5-desktop-memory?variant=43012518117568 I grabbed them for $237 and free shipping after a 10% discount code. WELCOME10 gave me 10% off on the order. Best price I've seen on 6400 CL32 SK Hynix kit unless you need RGBs. They have those too for like $10 more.

Unless of course Intel themselves do a 3D stack. Intel is going chiplets with Meteor Lake, they have shown 3D stacking tech in the past, so I doubt there is anything stopping them from being able to do the same exact thing.

Even the 7700X can't deliver a real beating to the 12600K. It's faster, but not by anything to write home about. And that is last gen and the 7600X will face off against a 13600K within 2 weeks of AMD launch. 13600K is going to be 6 + 8 and there is no amount of IPC increase AMD can do to beat that. Add in the higher clocks, cache improvements, IMC improvements and AMD won't be able to compete at low-mid end is my guess.

Definitely a huge win for consumers. Even in times of inflation, lower margins due to 5nm price, AMD knows they had to drop prices to remain competitive at the top end. Curious why they didn't drop low and mid range to really remain competitive where I think Intel is going to smack AMD around a bit. $299 for a 6 core in 2022 is just bad.

I am so tempted by that sale. I really want a 2x memory slot board and this is easily the KINGPIN board to get this gen. Will be ready for some nice Raptor Lake clocks. They are looking mighty tasty at over 6Ghz under chillers.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29737701 Picked up a couple hundred more points. Thinking the i3 is holding it back from snagging performing at peak. Might slap it in the 12900KS rig later and pushed it even harder. This run was actually undervolted to 1125mV from stock 1200mV. So definitely room to tweak and figure out how to extract max perf still.

Nice! I had a 980 Ti FTW right at the beginning of COVID, and I sold it after cleaning it all up. I wish I had it back for fun and nostalgia. What is the ASIC quality on that beast? Picked up a decently priced 6750 XT for the old Spare Parts rig. Honestly not bad and been having more fun tuning this card via MorePowerTool. Haven't used an AMD card in quite some time and I haven't had any issues with anything so far. https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29734518 Took a few nights of coffee, but I finally got MorePowerTool version to let me create a registry file with version 1.3.8 Final. For whatever reason PowerColor cards don't all seem to be supported and 6750 XT is locked down, but I found a workaround that worked. Can finally bypass their shit 253w limit and pull MOAAARRR POWER. This run was at 316w, and still hit the limit on power so I need to up my limit I set.

After building a few rigs recently, I have come to the conclusion that I have far too much spare hardware sitting around. I am wondering when the wife is going to question why I need 3 computers AND a BGA laptop. 😛

Given that this is the first real stab at Intel dGPU mainstream/consumer GPU, I will reserve judgement and give them time to wrinkle things out. Jumping to conclusions based on early Chinese GPU companies that can't even spell "Unknown" correctly isn't something I'm willing to do. I remember when DLSS first came out, it wasn't great, it was blurry and people generally shat all over it. Looking back, all those videos telling Nvidia to give up or move on are hilarious now. I watched a video recently with Tom and Gamers Nexus on Arc and Intel has some interesting ideas. I'm more excited about seeing Intel leaving voltage and power limits available for overclocking. Overclocking on Nvidia today sucks! No voltage control, no fun. Have you seen how much overclocking can do for these new Intel GPUs? It looks like fun to tune/push and it's not even out yet. I expect a lot of improvements from them over time.

@Mr. Fox Do you not have the "Special PMIC Unlock" option in the BIOS to bypass the 1.435v limit on locked PMICs? Sorry to hear about your bad luck with the memory.

https://ibb.co/304QxnL More Non-K overclocking. This time for my new living room PC I just built out of my pile of spare/old parts and a few new. My free RTX 3070 courtesy of the EVGA Buck program ending needed a new home, and the market is flooded with GPUs I figured I'd just keep it and build another rig.

I've had my 1600w T2 from EVGA for a couple years now when I got it as a bundle/coupon offer with a GPU for like $180 or something. Insane value for a such an amazing PSU. I got my email for the KPE 3090 Ti, but I decided to skip this one. My FTW3 3090 Ti is a powerhouse, I don't overclock much right now, and 4000 series is on the the very near horizon. Hell I'm not even sure I need a 40 series card since 3090s are already so powerful for all resolutions outside of 4K or 8K gaming. I'll likely grab one just to mess around with it, but for gaming I can't see it being necessary for me.