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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I am not familiar with Revios. Oprekin is my preferred modded Winduhz option because it does away with everything that is worthless and cuts the waste of system resources and needless overhead by about 60-70%. Ghost Spectre has a very nice feature set and looks good, but poor CPU performance on W11. It is still too bloated, with too many garbage services running that should not even exist. It's barely an improvement over a stock Windows install in terms of wasted system resources. I am getting less and less tolerant of Windows. The less benching I do, the less reason there is for me to have a platform that runs Windows. As long as I am still working I will need Windows to do my job. I have too many things that I do daily that are reliant on Windows. When I eventually retire, there really won't be anything that I need Windows for any more. Just benching. The more I use Linux, the more I like it. In most ways it is more desirable, more satisfying to use and a more elegant solution. The more Winduhz de-evolves, the less likable it becomes. At this point I view Windoze and crApple OSes as being nothing more than dumbed-down data collection kiosk OSes for tech-illiterate zombies. -
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100%. I don't like SFF desktops at all, but even a SFF desktop like what Brothers @electrosoftand @Custom90gthave put together are miles ahead of turdbooks. I'd choose that over a turdbook any day of the week. -
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Nope. We do most of the things you have tried. Nothing special. Just better hardware. That's why I want nothing to do with turdbooks any more. I invented the moniker "turdbook" because they are turds and the sheeple are obsessed with the unnecessary portability of "_books" and smartphones. -
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It will depend on what you are scoring. If you are using something that favors Windows 11 your scores will be lower. If you look closely, as long as things are configured correctly your CPU benchmarks scores will be higher with Windows 10. The graphics scores higher with Windows 11. It is basically selecting the better tool for the job. Neither one of them are the absolute best for CPU and memory performance, but they are the hand we have been dealt. The only great OSes are Windows 7 and Linux. They (Redmond Retards) don't make any money from the use of Windows 7 and Linux, so they are working extra hard on forcing everyone into using their data harvesting mind-control garbage OSes that allow them to profit. Are you ready to begin "renting" Winduhz for a monthly fee? Get ready. It's coming. Now we have a clearer picture of why installing Windows 11 is free and can be activated using command line scripts. They don't care if anyone pays for it or not. Giving it away for free will soon pay for itself. And, we all know what the zombie sheeple will do, right? They'll fall in line. After all, they passed the COVID-19 obedience test experiment with flying colors (and fancy face masks, LOL). -
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What game(s) do these screenshots correspond with? Nothing identifies the title in the screenshots that I can see. -
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Is it summer yet? Yup. -
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Probably would work right. Looks like the price is sweet for $99 from Amazon. You could always grab them and if the are not great RMA them. They may be SK Hynix. But, if they run 6000 stable and do not have any issues with the A6 hang and perform well, it probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Almost everything I have purchased in the TeamGroup brand has been good quality. I did have a memory kit that wasn't as good as some of the others (silicon lottery) from TeamGroup, but even that one was better than the G.SKUNK crap I returned. I have numerous SSDs, NVMe and USB flash drives from them and they have also been excellent. -
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That would work. But, you will need to research to see if they have EXPO profiles though. I have no idea if they do. If not, you would be looking at manual memory tuning if the Intel XMP profile won't work on AMD. Edit: Looks like they do, but they are very specific about which ones support AMD EXPO. White: https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-6000MHz-Optimized-FF8D532G6000HC38ADC01/dp/B0BRQ2NZTJ Black: https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-6000MHz-Optimized-FF8D532G6000HC38ADC01/dp/B0BRQ21XK1?th=1 NewEgg: https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb/p/N82E16820331989 The AMD EXPO product is called "Alpha" by TeamGroup. https://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/product/delta-alpha-ddr5 On the AMD EXPO modules they don't specifically say they are SK Hynix. They say... They have Delta (RGB) and Vulcan (non-RGB) Alpha options. https://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/products/compare/result/ -
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I do not believe there is a Microcenter in Boise, ID. So, Brother @Raiderman is in the same unfortunately situation I am in. No Microcenter in Phoenix, and none within even a slightly absurd drive distance. Closest locations to me are Tustin, CA and Dallas, TX. Another good option (perhaps the BEST option) is to order naked green Hynix A-die sticks from AliExpress for less than half the cost of a retail kit, install aftermarket heat sinks (even a water block if you want to) and enjoy having some money left over, along with nearly guaranteed good overclocking sticks. The only potential downside is if you were hoping to take the lazy route and just set an XMP or EXPO profile and move on. That's not possible and performance tuning is manual. The flip side of having no XMP or EXPO profiles is a proper Hynix A-die stick is already clocked to 5600 by default. You can add a little bit of voltage and push it to 6000 stable without touching any of the timings and leaving SPD default timings. So far that has worked for me consistently. Adding an extra 400-600 MT/s to the memory clock has been effortless with A-die, with no need to unlock the PMIC for more voltage. From there all you need to do is make minor adjustments in small increments to timings, a few at a time, until you find where it becomes unstable, then back off a notch or two. Side benefit here is you get memory that runs cooler without the trashy stock heating blankets, and no RGB software garbage to deal with if you're not content with looking at a never-ending rainbow puke light show. I don't know why it is so hard to find non-RGB memory kits. It seems like there are lots of people expressing their general displeasure with the rainbow puke, as it is a relatively common complaint among enthusiasts. @Custom90gtdid you get your naked greens? How are they clocking for you, bro? If you are limiting memory clock to 6000 you can go a whole lot tighter on some of the timings, and run very low voltage, with Micron, Samsung or Hynix modules. I could run less than 300 tRFC with M-die clocked into the 6200-6400 range, but you need to be in the 400's with M-die and tRFC in the 600's and higher with A-die once you start pushing into the 7200 and higher speed realm. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
You can usually tell by the part number on G.SKILL, but the speed is also a dead give-away in most cases. The rated XMP speed is a reflection of the capability of the memory IC. So, you won't see Micron or Samsung memory kits above 6000-6200 because that exceeds their normal functional capabilities. It is almost guaranteed that above 6200 is SK Hynix M-die or A-die. Anything in the 6400-6800 range is SK Hynix, usually M-die up to 6400. Above 6400 usually Hynix A-die. Samsung can generally be speed rated up to about 6000. Below 6000 it could be anything and it really doesn't matter what it is because you're shopping for cheap parts and don't care about overclocking or performance tuning in the low-budget product category. There is that point of possible overlap in the 6000 realm. TeamGroup Delta is SK Hynix and they advertise that is the ony IC they utilize. -
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If maxing out the frequency is not the objective or the platform prevents it, M-die is actually better because you can run it with tighter timings than what is possible with A-die. Especially tRFC (in the low and mid 400's) and tCKE (in low single digits, like 5 or 6). -
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I am not 100% positive, but I do not believe that EXPO has anything to do with the brand of the IC. I believe it is an AMD standard like XMP is for Intel. If I am not mistaken, EXPO means it has an "AMD XMP profile" available in the SPD that is optimized for AMD. I think you might find memory modules with an EXPO profile using Micron, Samsung or SK Hynix ICs on them. Samsung B-die DDR5 performs well and is stable up to around 6000-6200, maybe even 6400 with golden sample memory chips. SK Hynix is preferred due to the much higher memory overclocking capacity, like 7200 and higher, that it offers. -
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When the reviewers are all calling foul it is definitely a time you want to pause and pay close attention. It is either true and the product is garbage that should be avoided; or, they are all part of a very carefully orchestrated conspiracy intended to cause harm to the subject under review, or its manufacturer. This is highly unlikely in the context of a product review. If that many say it is no good, or a poor value, then it is probably true. They have a lot to risk personally by presenting the unvarnished truth. Probably to an even greater degree with what they present in a negative light because--whether it is true or not--they want to portray an image of unbiased professionalism. Without that they have nothing to offer anyone. In a political or social popularity scenario where we find self-anointed thought police with an agenda, the latter is entirely possible or maybe even highly likely, because success of the agenda itself, not public opinion about the messenger, is the end game. -
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The markets, and those competing in them, continue to shrink. That unfavorable condition relieves the players of the need for need for urgency or feeling of obligation to produce something better or of more excellent quality than their competitors. This is especially problematic when they have no competitor. It's not really a monopoly. It is merely a situation where nobody else is interested in participating. That is sad and scary for anyone buying the product. I consider most reviews (written or video) to be largely entertainment content, not entirely different than the talking heads that like to think of themselves as journalists and news casters. I accept the entertainment on face value and decide what, if any, of the information contained in the review is worth being noted or counting as fact. More often than not the "news" or "review" is a presentation of personal bias surrounded by bits of information carefully assembled in such a manner as to manipulate the opinions of those attempting to digest what they have just read, watched or heard. The information I value the most is the negative or obscure details that are conveniently omitted by the mainstream because they would adversely impact the agenda they are peddling. We see this constantly in the technology realm, as much or maybe even more than the political and social realms. Professional reviewers do not want to have to find a new way to make money or receive free products that somebody might like to have. They're smart enough to know they won't be asked to review more products if they expose all of the flaws or take a critical view of the products they are provided for review. That's why I don't do beta product testing for Dell/Alienware any more. They wanted validation more than objective criticism and attention drawn to defects. They never said that, but it was obvious when the products stopped coming when the defects were identified, called out as such, and well documented. Probably selling at a loss, and writing off the loss on taxes, to eliminate the liability of having products rot on warehouse or store shelves. The longer the inventory stales, the lower its value falls. Taking a small loss now is better than a large loss later. Or, perhaps an inaccurate representation of profit margin being smaller than it actually is. Or, maybe some of both. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
@tps3443is correct. The Z690 MEG Unify-X was, and still is, truly amazing. I wish they would have released a Z790 version of it. I think the bottom line is they probably decided they did not need to, for the following reason(s): Z790 doesn't bring anything new that is worthy of mention. Intel eliminated Optane support that hardly anyone cared about, and freed up the PCIe lanes for PCIe 5.0, which nobody benefits from currently. It's a new feature with no practical application. There was zero performance improvement with Z790, except to the extent that OEMs diverted their efforts toward selling the new product. The chipset doesn't offer anything in terms of performance enhancements (per Intel). Z790 boards are better purely as a result of the OEMs burning calories on their shiny new mobos. MSI is not focused on the overclocker market. They are a gamer brand first and foremost. The Unify-X still overclocks memory better than 99% of the high end motherboards on the market. It smokes 4-DIMM mobos. I wish MSI would get more in tune with the overclocking crowd. With EVGA leaving the niche, ASUS is really the only serious player at this point. With no competition in that realm, ASUS is more likely to get worse, not better. The Gigabutt Tachyon is a piece of garbage. It is only a smidgen better than the defectively engineered Z690 Apex. If my understanding is correct, it maxes out between 7600 and 7800 with good A-die samples. So, actually that is more than a smidgen better than Z690 Apex, but not in the same league as the Z690 Dark, Z790 Dark or Z790 Apex. I do blame them, and that is appropriate. The issues I had were not brand-specific. Some brands were worse than others, but the issues were widespread and totally AMD's fault. Some brands managed to minimize the issues through their own efforts, while others elected to ignore the AMD flaws and it was left up to AMD to try to fix their mistakes. And, AMD didn't really fix anything. 65K Cinebench R23 score and 700W+ power draw, while thermally limited by air cooling. Imagine this on chilled water or LN2. -
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I used to have that issue frequently with the X570 Crosshair. It is very frustrating. Between that, the USB drop-out issue and having to turn off the PSU off and on again about a third of the time before the board would power on I felt like I was going to lose my mind. How much of that was attributable to AMD or ASUS incompetence I will never know. -
She is, indeed. Interesting video to go with the song. Sometimes hitting rewind is good.
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Definitely not good. That one post gives me nightmare flashbacks about the Z490 Apex that died and destroyed my cherry 10900KF when it went belly up. This one is kind of stating the obvious, LOL. -
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Same. No issues at all after years of torture. It's just horrible that EVGA is basically giving up on their niche. I am really disappointed about it beyond words. While I am most satisfied with the Apex, I think there is a good chance I will end up sticking with the Dark K|NGP|N for overclocking. It seems better. The Apex takes more voltage and run hotter, and seems less stable at higher frequencies. They are very close, though. Luumi thinks so, too... @ 11:42 -
That last one is for @Papusan
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https://hwbot.org/submission/5304418_ https://hwbot.org/submission/5304441_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/96574037 -
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I know it is not "free" and there is no reason you should incur the expense personally. It is a modest inconvenience for those to enjoy being part of this community. Those who contribute the most will be the ones that run out of space fastest. The whole thing is just a mess. I think the majority of people are not using the ugly stock pigtail and I don't think we have the ability to truly understand numbers or assess fault beyond the flawed engineering of the 12VHPWR connector. If Cablemod did not exist and everyone was using the ugly stock pigtail adapter, it is possible the number of failures would be similar. We don't know what we don't know. All we can do is make assumptions and best guesses and do our best to connect securely and monitor the quality of the connection to be confident the cable is staying fully seated/inserted during normal use. I am using the stock 12VHPWR cable provided by Corsair with the PSU. I thought it was reported that the new design would be backward compatible with existing first-generation 12VHPWR connections, but apparently not. -
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I have the same problem with images. I have to upload everything to have the image hosted elsewhere, or link images I posted in another forum. I do not believe it is a "Cablemod problem" per se. It seems like it to some people because they are the biggest and at the center of attention, but not based on their QC. The design of the connector is flawed and leads to random examples of melted connections, and the biggest number of them involves the largest aftermarket manufacturer. I think the reason the ugly NVIDIA pigtail adapter is so short is that it minimizes heat with more cables carrying the current most of the length of the circuit and the load is distributed more broadly. I suspect it was designed that way on purpose because it was too late for the Green Goblin to admit it made a terrible engineering mistake after making it the new standard and shipping GPUs that incorporated it. Yeah, as soon as I have a few hours with nothing better to do I am going to bathe these in paint thinner so I can pull the heat sinks off and get them under water. They're 25-30°C cooler under water than they are with a fan blowing on the stock heating blankets. So, the Redmond Retards are gearing up to molest everyone with Winduhz moving to the cloud with a monthly subscription. Knew it was coming, because they're dishonest shysters. Glad I started getting comfortable with Linux some time ago. There is no way in hell I would pay these imbeciles a monthly fee to use their trashy trash OS. They can bob over and kiss my unwashed bobo. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
It may not improve the connector enough to matter, but SIG getting involved and calling for a redesign highlights the fact that the original design is flawed and creates an unnecessary degree of risk for melted connections. I personally do not think the brand or connector matters, it's just a garbage design defect that is too small, too weak, and too easy to not be fully seated or work loose over time. -
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This is only using 1.350V on the memory. Surprisingly, it passed memory tests without errors even though it hit 64°C in the process. I've never seen memory pass stability tests at that temperature. If I overclock the memory more it gets heat-related errors at a lower temperature. I think maybe the sloppy loose tRFC and tREFI might be what allows it to get this hot without erroring out. I know the sloppy timings help it run lower voltage at the sacrifice of higher latency.