Mr. Fox

I'm not very confident that the people developing this technology actually have a moral compass, and if they do have one, I have very little confidence that it points true north. Their concept of good and right may be the opposite by my definition. Therein lies the problem. They get to set the rules for everyone else to follow as the self-anointed arbiters. Not only no, but hell no.

Yes, I totally agree with you. It is Orwellian by every measurement. And, the AI will only be as intelligent (as in idiotic) as the people that program it how to "think" and how to decide what is good or bad based on the opinions of the programmer. GIGO. It's like the mainstream media on steroids and endowed with omnipotence. Anyone who doesn't think, act or believe in a manner that the AI was programmed to judge as acceptable will become a victim of digital terrorism.

I think so. While ray tracing is not necessary for a game to be enjoyable, the visual quality enhancement is nothing short of remarkable. Far more realistic graphics than without it. It doesn't make a fun game more fun or a boring game less boring. I never choose a game because it has it, but the difference it makes in the graphics quality is undeniable. If you have not been exposed a whole lot to it, then it is hard to relate to and easy to dismiss.

Thanks. That will be fun to goof around with. You could drive some emotionally unstable people bonkers with something like this. Maybe even push them over the edge. On a more serious note, I believe the development of this type of AI is very dangerous if human beings put any degree of stock into it or ascribe credibility to it. It could be used for nefarious purposes and it would not surprise me if it already has been to some degree.

See my updated post. https://community.hwbot.org/topic/221655-mandatory-systeminfo-555-update-and-new-benchmark-rules-for-rtx40-series/?do=findComment&comment=634928 @johnksss

We should start spamming their submissions using the report feature to ask them to remove the scores and start treating their golden boys the same as they treat the peasants.

I see the HWBOT Nazis are arbitrarily deleting your 4090 benchmark's Brother @Papusanjust as they did with Brother @johnksss 4090 scores. Seems like the golden boys have decided to deal with competition by not allowing it. It is really sad to see what a pile of crap that place is turning into. Maybe the idea is to make it a shill mill for manufacturers to send their boutique modded products that nobody else can buy to their sponsored marketing zombies to fake everyone out with results they will never achieve if they buy the same product. Edit: I saw that and commented at EXACTLY the same time you were posting it.

Thank you. Yes, it is an impressive product. Much better quality than I expected. 15-inch IPS with dual type-c and HDMI, metal housing with VESA. Comes with a nice folding hardcover for travel (like a tablet cover). Works nice as a monitoring panel, too.

Good luck on the sale. Are you moving locally, or to a totally new city/state? It's a real bummer that you're going to be affected by high interest rates in Brandon's dystopian social and economic cesspool. Hopefully, that will be remedied in the next couple of years and you can refi after all of his wrongs are righted.

Everyone have a barf bag within reach and stay within eyeshot of the nearest toilet. Soon we will see the industry advance beyond stupidity. It is inevitable when the industry is run by morbidly idiotic people that are incapable of doing anything good or acceptable. In fact, it would be illogical to expect anything different as long as the same people are allowed to continue screwing everything up. The only solution to stopping the damage is to remove the people causing it, compel them to find another career that is tolerant of their faults and replace them with alternatives that will pull their heads out and do the right thing. Next up from their bottomless pit of personal computing filth, "gaming" turdbooks with soldered NVMe with an embedded OS, soldered RAM and "upgradable" storage in the form of flash memory a la Chromebook. I recently snagged an extraordinarily good deal on a small portable IPS dislay that I can use for business travel so I am not encumbered by a single display on my laptop. I figured I could also put it to good use at home on my pleasure rig. I have a few finishing touches to add, but here is my almost-done AIDA64 sensor panel to use on it.

It does not look like it is easy to find information on 4090 engineering differences. I do not know why the specifications pages (even on the OEM web sites) are not making mention of things like power phases and clearly identifying dual versus single BIOS models. I found this table where a person is compiling the data from sources where it can be found. It is very puzzling that the manufacturers are not advertising the detail, especially on the higher-end models. For example, if you go to the product page for the 4090 Suprim X they say nothing about the power handling capacity of their flagship. -????- https://linustechtips.com/topic/1461611-rtx-4090-vrm-meta-analysis-and-feaib-comparison/ Do they really think that every person dropping a gigantic wad of cash on their overpriced stuff is that stupid and does not care about how much effort (or lack thereof) went into building it? Here is something from a channel I haven't seen before. Small subscriber base, but actually a pretty good piece. This channel will likely end up being successful if this is the quality he typically puts out. (I have not watched any other videos from this channel yet to know.) Interesting how poorly the 7900XT fares against the 4080. I expected the 4080 to be better, but not by such a wide margin.

LOL, that's too funny. Where did you submit the text for a robotic interpretation? I've not seen that before, and I'd be curious to know where you went to submit it. I'm sure this can be programmed to effectively censor anything that the programmer or group utilizing it deems obstructive to a specific agenda and I suspect it is already being deployed at some for narrative control and opinion manipulation in social media. I wonder how long until totalitarian governmental bodies begin using and abusing it widely? (Probably already do to some extent... would be naive to think otherwise.)

This is kind of interesting.

It's true. We are a largely brainwashed global society that has been fed so many lies that much (probably half) of the population is unable to discern between right and wrong, fact versus fiction, etc. And, they don't want to because it requires too much effort. Social media has made it worse because the social media moguls control the narrative to suit whatever nonsense fits their agenda. Stupidity has been normalized, along with an irrational push to normalize a ton of other things are are very abnormal. People tend to pick a side and go with it based on nothing more than what is popular among the people they think want to be associated with.

I don't think I have ever seen a 4090 FE available for purchase before. All I have ever seen is "sold out" at Best Buy.

That is a REALLY good price for the Trio. Would be hard to resist it. Thank you. I had not seen that the AMP has 24+4 versus 14+4. Great info. That is a big difference and probably a good reason for me to continue to reject the notion of possibly settling for a Trinity version some day. It would not matter if I were only buying a GPU for playing games. The only reason I would consider buying a 4090 is so I could overclock the living crap out of it, so I would want something that is less likely to fail at the sole purpose I would waste my money on it in the first place.

Yeah, I agree. While I am not a fan of the Gigabutt brand, that question has crossed my mind as well. I thought maybe these were junk and had lots of issues, but my impression from some quick research is that almost everyone that owns one loves it. In fact, I saw many posts that suggests that owners of this model 4090 and Zotac are among the most pleased 4090 owners. The thing I think I like most about this GPU and the PNY models is how nondescript they are. Not much in terms of bling or weirdness, just a plain jane plastic shroud covering a heat sink. That may be why they are not selling fast. Maybe too many people want the gaudy-looking coolers and lots of rainbow puke, so they pass on the plain-looking options? Some of the more expensive cards are having issues and suffer from very loud and annoying coil whine and it seems like many of the owners of this GPU and Zotac 4090s bought them as replacements for ASUS cards with severe coil whine. This 4090 and the PNY 4090 seems like they are easiest ones (usually the only option) to find in stock versus other options. So, I expected to see a lot of negative comments from owners. I couldn't find any. All seem pretty darned happy. Anecdotally, it seems like the most complaints are from the owners of the most expensive models. Another anecdotal observation, that may or may not be accurate... it seems like there is no meaningful difference between any of them. Aesthetic features aside, it seems like a simple vBIOS cross flash would essentially make most of them exactly the same in terms of functionality, with little or no difference in physical hardware at the PCB level or performance. So, which cooler do you think looks best is the first question to ask, and if you are going to block one, does it even matter what you buy? Mostly cookie-cutter gamer junk other than vBIOS/TGP changes? The Zotac Trinity has been frequently available on Amazon for between $1700 and $1850 sold and shipped by Amazon. I could have purchased one 10 times this week had I wanted to. But, the AMP AIRO is missing in action. Almost never available and always at a stupid price. Again, other than a vBIOS/TGP difference that could be cured with a cross-flashed vBIOS, I am not sure there is actually any real differece.

Either NewEgg got a bunch of these in stock or nobody wants them. They are allowing up to 5 per customer and the price is a tiny bit less insane than normal. They have not disappeared quickly like they usually do. This has remained available for three hours at the time of my posting it. GIGABYTE Gaming (GIGABYTE) GeForce RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6X PCI Express 4.0 x16 ATX Video Card GV-N4090GAMING OC-24GD Interesting that even with new pads and paste and max fans 95-100°C hotspot is status quo on those GPUs. That is certainly enough to abbreviate the lifespan of a GPU. Those are unhealthy turdbook-grade temperatures. The damage shown at 14:10 is pretty scary looking. Whatever is causing it is obviously not good.

I was a diehard ATi fan back then. My kids all had desktops I built for them. I had many happy hours with my four sons playing Quake, Quake II and Unreal Tournament on the home LAN. My daughter never really got into it, but she had a PC to do girl stuff with. Not sure what the girl stuff was, LOL.

It doesn't matter how crappy laptops get. The sheeple will always fall in line and comply. The companies selling trash know this.

Well said. I totally agree with that. I think it is spot on. 👍 Seems like human nature is to make a federal case from every anomaly and fabricate an impression of crisis from fringe exceptions. That said, there is a secondary element to it that is inescapable. The new connector design is flawed and poorly conceived to the extent that it makes the possibility of failure due to human error magnified. Even if you know of the problem and solution, there is the possibility for human error or unknown factors to lead to a truly unfortunate outcome. By unknown factors, I mean the cable gets disturbed in such a way that the connection becomes compromised without the user's awareness. It is unfortunate that more thought and intellgence was not employed before the change in design was deployed. GPUs with multiple 6+2 pin connectors are much less likely to experience the same problem because power delivery is handled through more than one conduit. If one of the two or three connectors is not fully seated, the additional 8 or 16 connection points reduce the amount of resistance and stress experienced by the one cable with the poor connection. The new design limits the conduit to a single point of connection and creates much greater risk for resistance and overheating to occur. There is only one shot to get it right, and if it's not right there is potentially going to be hell to pay for it. This was an example of change for the sake of change, for the sake of creating the need for something new to sell, for the sake of making more money. It was not a change born of necessity or need. It was a demonstration of collusion, greed and an irrational need for the Green Goblin to take control, and make itself the center of attention as an agent of change and disruption of the industry. NVIDIA is getting caught with their pants down. Poor judgment seems like a popular trend.

It doesn't need to perform well, run cool, or hold boost clocks as long as desktop screenshots are impressive and marketing materials convey a positively crafted story to please the kiddos. Optics are job #1. It's all about selling. Results are optional, and achieved only by accident.

One always have to be very careful with Amazon and Newegg to only purchase products that are sold and shipped by them and not resellers. It's a roll of the dice what the return policy will be if you buy from a third party vendor selling in their marketplace. One of the things that gives me pause is what anecdotally seems like a normalization of performance and limited ability to overclock enough to distinguish yourself on a leaderboard. If this is true, it kind of defeats the primary purpose of me wanting one. I'd never buy it with gaming being the primary purpose. I do that too little for it to matter and both of the GPUs I own are more than capable of providing a very gratifying experience when I do. I also remind myself that it's not a one and done. I don't want air cooling and I don't want hybrid. So that means added cost for a waterblock and I don't want to use the crappy short pigtail so it means either a PSU upgrade or a fairly affordable Cablemod replacement. So, whatever I do requires additional costs to have what I want, how I want it.

You're welcome. I am glad that you're getting results as good as I am. Be sure to post in the BIOS update thread. There are a lot of whiners with Classified boards complaining that their 4-slot mobos don't overclock the memory as well as the 2-slot Dark, Apex or Unify-X motherboards, and some are expecting their low budget Samsung B-die to overclock like Hynix, LOL. What is your forum name at EVGA Community? It looks like there are 3 or 4 "Talons" over there and I can never figure out which one is you. Some 4090 owners are having no-POST/BIOS freeze issues, some with black screen issues until Windows loads (no video in BIOS), with the GPU installed. Some kind of weird vBIOS firmware conflict. What GPU are you running? Have you had any issues on the Dark mobo with it?

To build on the reality of consumer stupidity and ignorance, here is a repost of my comments in EVGA forum. People keep griping that EVGA is not updating IME or providing new ME drivers, which is utterly retarded. EVGA actually allow disabling Intel ME in the BIOS, but they are oblivious to that benefit that other OEMs do not offer. EVGA also leaves it unlocked so you can easily flash an old ME version if you wish to do that. Most OEMs do not allow it to be disabled/enabled in the BIOS at will, or downgraded to an older firmware version. There is no tangible benefit to updating Intel ME firmware or drivers, or Intel Chipset "drivers" (which are not actually drivers at all). There is no point in EVGA updating it either. An Intel ME firmware update will not improve performance, but has potential to impair performance through the worthless watchdog timer. This can be disabled in the BIOS and ME drivers omitted because it serves no valid functional purpose on a consumer product unless they are using vPro. It is designed for use in an enterprise environment and as a backdoor access point that can be exploited by hackers, Intel and Micro$lop. For this reason it is often disabled on government computer systems. DISABLE INTEL’S BACKDOOR ON MODERN HARDWARE Intel’s Management Engine At the end of the day you're better off with a bricked ME than a functional one. The behavior and stability of your computer will be unaffected, but it might be more secure.