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    I am not 100% sure we are talking about the same thing, but I do see low temp throttling in practice as well. So annoying. In case the GPU is lightly loaded, say < 20% the clocks dial down to sometimes as low as 50-60% of max. This is despite max performance power mode being set in both Windows and Nvidia control panel. If anyone is aware of a workaround, I would be grateful. The fact that Jensen said it makes it hard to believe for me. He's not someone that I would consider a reliable source of information. I don't think EVGA is going anywhere, just excused themselves from the GPU business. I think EVGA's statement on the matter is the one worth believing. You can circumvent the silly dynamic clocking baloney using EVGA Precision X1. Click the button to lock in full boost clock regardless of GPU load. I think it is better than Afterburner for most things.
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    EVGA 850W PSU that is a bit more than a year old is being replaced under warranty. It is overheating and shutting down because the fan stopped working. Placing a 120MM fan in front of the exhaust vent corrects the problem I contacted them Monday afternoon and it is out for delivery today. There is a pre-paid return label in the box for me to ship back the original. This is how you treat customers if you want them to choose your brand first when the option exists. MSI, ASUS, Gigabutt, ASSRock don't care... they suck. They make you pay to ship them the part, then wait for them to verify that you're not a liar, (a week or longer,) and with no sense of urgency or gratitude for your patronage, they send out a replacement when it is convenient for them, the slowest and cheapest way possible. Every time my ASUS products have been replaced under under warranty it takes 3 to 5 weeks to resolve. Nothing they say or do demonstrates that they give a rat's butt about the people that buy their products, because they do not.
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    They are doing what is best for them because too many people are stupid with their money. If new GPUs like the 4090 Suprim Liquid X and ROG Strix were being treated with a reception as chilly as the new AM5 platform, we would not see them or ASUS behaving in a manner so worthy of disrespect. They would be more conservative with their pricing because overpriced garbage sitting on store shelves hurts them badly. Making a small profit is better than no profit or operating at a loss. They would stop producing products that they are unable to turn a profit on. Prices follow what the market will bear, and as long as the market is composed primarily of retards, prices will remain retarded. On top of this fact, we already know that ASUS and MSI are both dishonest companies run by people that don't care about their customers. This is evident in the way they treat people after they get their money when they sell them broken garbage. So, MSI is being more transparent by showing their true colors before the sale instead of saving it as an icky surprise after the sale.
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    Yes. And, it it not a new issue, unfortunately. It is an unresolved issue that will never get fixed because it is deliberate and intentional.
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    It's not entirely accurate though. It starts about 45°C from my vantage point. Boost clock goes up more than it does above 45°C, but people with air cooled cards and normal water cooling don't know that and they can't see it because they cannot achieve or maintain temperatures that low. I don't know at what temperature it does not occur or where going colder no longer increases boost clock, or what temperature would have to be maintained for the GPU to reach max boost clocks and remain there because chilled water isn't cold enough to show me or prevent "thermal throttling" LOL. What I can tell you with certainty is that I really loathe this kind of dynamic clocking crap more than I can say without resorting to use of vulgar language. It is totally stupid and unnecessary and the existence of the phenomenon is a symptom of wickedness and an underlying darkness of heart.
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    Yes, that is my preferred way of dealing with it. Just kill it and move on. End of the drama forever with Defender Antivirus. Remove Defender.zip
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    I think it can vary by GPU model and generation, but Turing and Ampere are when they went full spaz on us. It is roughly a 15MHz drop for every 5°C increment over 45°C if memory serves me correctly. TechPowerUp had a piece on this but I am not sure if NVIDIA has publicly posted technical details on how their firmware cancer algorithm operates. Some people believe Ampere is less aggressive about it than Turing, but I think it is not so. What changed is the clock range seems to hold better with Ampere between 45° and 70°C than Turing did, but with Ampere more than Turing, the boost clocks remain higher below 45°C. So, people that are not running an Ampere GPU below 45°C are unable to identify that, and that means basically nobody with an air cooled Turing or Ampere GPU can see the beneficial effect of staying below 45°C https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-founders-edition/39.html With mining the issue is the GPU memory. The GPU core doesn't really get used. You can overclock the crap out of the core and the hashrate doesn't change much. The memory clock is what matters and it is the memory that gets cooked. What is the most goofy about any of this is the core is what "thermal" throttles at low temperatures, even though there is no legitimate reason for it do because the thermals are excellent. The memory, on the other hand, can be overclocked until it totally burns itself to death and there is no protection mechanism for it.
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    Chiller + radiator keeps the temps from going low enough for condensation, but keeps the GPU cold enough to avoid room temperature thermal throttling that degrades performance even though the GPU is not hot enough to need to be throttled. You start losing clock speeds rapidly and performance begins to decline around 45-48°C and progressively worsens as the temperatures rise. It is unfortunate that Turing and Ampere technology began this aggressive psychotic behavior. There is no reason for the GPU core clocks to move down from maximum boost clock until core temps start pushing past ~75°C.
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    Absolutely... 150%. Anything that you can move outside of a computer case makes it easier to work on, as space constraints no longer exist. Even with an absurdly gigantic case like my Level 20 XT and the massive tower that @Papusan has, a case eventually presents physical limits of some kind. That is also why I prefer an open bench versus a case. I really miss having everything mounted on an open bench for that reason. I do not miss the added difficulty of keeping it clean in this Arizona dust bowl, but everything is easier to work on when nothing can get in your way or limit access. I can't bring myself to sell the Praxis Wetbench because I can envision eventually going back to it at some point, in spite of the dust problem that caused me to stop using it.
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    There might be but I have never seen any. I purchased the aluminum plates on Amazon already the right width and length so all I had to do was drill four holes in the plates. Two holes to align with the threaded inserts on the radiator housing and then two holes to bolt the reservoir brackets to the plate. I left the aluminum raw and scruffy looking. Had I wanted to spend more time making it fancy I would have wet sanded and polished the plates to a mirror finish. I chose to go with the gritty industrial look as a statement, but it is more of a lame excuse for my laziness. Side note: the reason for the excessive tubing length is I need the flexibility of bypassing the radiator while still having use of the pumps by simply removing and reconnecting two QDC fittings when using the chiller for benching. The extra tubing length is necessary to accommodate that, even though it detracts from the appearance. As a side benefit, the extra tubing length also facilitates moving the radiator or computer around on my desktop without one dragging the other along with it or having to disconnect anything.
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    I really like how my MO-RA3 360 looks. It comes in a nice free-standing housing and has feet to keep it stable. I added the 1/4 inch aluminum wing plates on each side to mount the 240mm reservoirs and pumps. I have an inexpensive ATX PSU mounted on the underside of the desk to power the fans and pumps and a Lamptron hub to control the fans and pump speeds. https://shop.watercool.de/MO-RA3-Series
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    Probably, at least in part, because games are made to run best on trashy hardware that is not worthy or fit for use in a respectable PC.
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    Yeah, the idea of spending ~$2,000 on a cookie-cutter GPU that has metered performance, cancer firmware and functionality limited to the OS that the $atanic Overlord wants the world to use makes me want to do something to them that would put me in jail, probably on death row. Maybe in time I will grow numb to their insolent behavior, but I'm not there yet. Even if I were already over it, I would be waiting for the 4090 Ti and choosing one with third-party waterblock support. Buying a 4090 when a Ti is probably in the works and soon to drop would be kind of silly. Same reason I cancelled the 13900K pre-order. I'll just wait and see how it works out for everyone else. If I like it, I will spring for the better binned 13900KS. If not, then I will just keep using what I already have and not spend any money. I am thinking it makes more sense to follow Brother @Papusan example and only buy used EOL video cards so you can beat all of the old best scores when it is too late for the original players to come back and challenge you. That's actually very smart, strategic and stealth warfare, like executing a strike on your enemy in the still of the night while they are sleeping and unable to react fast enough to save their own hide. Wow. It's nice to see something intelligent released to counteract the morbid stupidity of a new socket put in a really idiotic place on the GPU. I know the heatsinks are about 30% longer than the PCB, but they could/should use an extension cord to position it in a more intelligent spot than on top in the middle. That is where waterblock fittings need to be, not the power input. That also makes for a real eyesore and a cable-routing mess. While I don't like the idea of a new socket, I can't imagine how much more challenging it would be to wrangle three 8-pin connectors into the same idiotic position on the GPU. The smaller 12-pin is almost necessary because the PCB is too small for three 8-pin connectors. What is even more stupid is the smaller PCB on the biggest GPU the world has ever seen. You can't make this stuff up... it is SO DUMB. Just don't fix what isn't broken, Green Goofball.
  15. Mr. Fox
    They took a page straight out of the Micro$oft playbook on how to treat the people that love you like dung. You also have to put part of the blame on the AIB partners for being such willing and compliant butt-kissers. Resisting evil with goodness will get you where it got EVGA... ostracized for doing what is right and best for customers goes against the flow. It makes you a troublemaker and they only want Muppets to star in their crippled hardware and Skynet-sponsored software Nazi $hit$hows. The clowns at crApple taught the industry to never give customers what they want because it is so much more profitable to be a shepherd god of Kool-Aid drinking sheeple that are too damned stupid to know what they want. After all, their daddy is going tell them exactly what they should want. They just need to shut up and fall in line.
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    Following the example of Brother @johnksss(something that always serves me well) I use only automotive coolant. I use the straight 50/50 pre-mix and it works fantastic. I use the Asian import type because it's blue and very pale coloring (so pale that it looks clear in the lines). You can only see the color in the reservoirs. My systems have never stayed cleaner for so long and it's very low conductivity. It's as close to zero maintenance as I think you can get. Absolutely no issues with organic growth or corrosion that I can identify. After having both options, I don't think I'd ever deliberately choose to have an internal radiator over an external radiator again. It works better and is easier to manage when you have a big 360 by 360 radiator sitting on your desk outside of the chassis. It also frees up tons of working space inside of the chassis and keeps the interior of the case much cooler with nothing adding heat to the interior space except for the PCH, memory and VRMs. The effect of those items is very low and difficult to identify because it is easily exhausted and replaced by cooler outside air. After I figure out whether or not I can revive the 2080 Ti I'm probably going to move Banshee to an external radiator setup like Wraith. I am only procrastinating long enough to land on a configuration that includes the GPU so I do not have to redo it. It's not difficult or time consuming to change it as the build morphs, I just don't like the inconvenience of having to redo it when I can avoid it by not getting the cart before the horse.
  17. Mr. Fox
    Dufus should have run things like wPrime, Cinebench and Blender for CPU testing. 3DMark benchmarks and games aren't great ways to measure CPU performance. Seems like he wasted the opportunity to test the pre-launch CPU the way he approached it.
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    Isn't the PSU on this case hidden in the side chamber behind the motherboard where you cannot see it or tell what color it is? If so, I am not sure why it would need to be white since it would not be visible except for the small square area on the rear panel where the cord plugs in. Unless it is positioned where you can see that, nobody would have any idea what color the PSU is.
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    The problem with watercooling SSDs and memory is the added complexity, cost and risk can easily outweigh the benefits. You're not going to water cool the M.2(s) installed under your GPU and you're going to add tremendous cost (i.e. extra fittings and plumbing) to the system, not to mention additional points for catastrophic failure to occur due to water leakage. If you want your system to look nice, forget about that. It will be a rat's nest of tubing. The only "right way" would be for the large M.2 heat sinks on today's systems to become one great big water block that cool all of them at once and has single inlet and outlet ports. I was initially very resistant to the idea of water cooling memory, and would still be today, except for the EKWB water distribution manifold. That added two extra water lines to my system. It made it a lot easier, but more complex, more subject to mechanical failure, and less aesthetically pleasing. Had it not been for the EKWB manifold, I never would have considered doing it. Adding short runs of tubing between the RAM and CPU and GPU waterblocks would have just made a terrible mess that is a nightmare to work on and an eyesore to look at. Even though I found a way to do it in a fairly elegant manner using that manifold, my preference would still be that the memory ran cool enough without having to remove the worthless garbage stock heat sinks to employ a complex and costly alternative. Because the companies that manufacture computer parts and charge lots of money for them frequently do things in a half-a$$ed manner we are left with finding solutions to the problems they create for us. I also stop and think about how often NVMe/SSD thermal throttling has been a problem for me personally. I am unable to identify a point where it has ever been a problem, even on laptops I have owned. If it was, it wasn't severe enough that I noticed and I have never observed the temperatures go high enough for it to be a concern.
  20. Mr. Fox
    The problem I have with the concept of egalitarianism is the unavoidable, and often intentional, effect the lowest common denominators have on everything. It is a "nice idea" that really defies common sense and diminishes the moral fabric our world requires to thrive. The fact of the matter is, we are not all the same and we are not supposed to be. We have varying levels of intelligence, interests, desires, passions and challenges. People that don't get it need to rely on those that do. We cannot, and should not, lower the bar to accommodate the less competent or less capable for anything... technology or otherwise. We are male and female, our skins vary in color, we have unique personalities, varying levels of financial resources, physical and mental capacity. If we attempt to normalize or homogenize any of those things, or make everything a grayscale rainbow, we dumb down the process, compromise the product, and success escapes us. That said, I do agree that making anything unnecessarily complicated, difficult, or proprietary, is contrary to sound logic and ultimately not in the best interest of even the most brilliant minds. That often smacks of ulterior motives and selfish ambitions. We should condemn and ostracize the people and companies that drive that model for anything. Please don't beat yourself up on becoming more intelligent as you mature. You're not becoming more of a Luddite. You're actually finding it easier to identify bad ideas, losing tolerance for change for the sake of change, and losing patience with nonsense and stupidity. Maybe it is because I am aging that I say that and misery loves company, but I don't think so. When a person is young and doesn't know half as much as they believe they do it is harder to recognize because they haven't been exposed to stupidity for as long and haven't been harmed as often by the illogical obsession with variety above need and form over function. Even some of our more observant and intelligent youngsters are figuring out that an awful lot of the crap being fed to them as science or fact, although popular in some circles, is just post-modern bullshit being pushed by people with an agenda that want to brainwash them into a compliant state that can be easily controlled and manipulated. I think holding back the progress of technology so it doesn't require people to learn new things is bad. I think allowing technology to be controlled by a small group or single entity with nefarious motives for making it complex or proprietary is bad as well. It should progress as swiftly as it progresses and the people that can't keep up should get left behind. But, they should have the opportunity to stay caught up if they want to be. God helps those who help themselves. Big government, big pharma, big tech, and big business help themselves help themselves. They are not gods, but they want us to believe they are infallible, omnipotent and omniscient, and they want us to worship, obey and serve them as if they were.
  21. Mr. Fox
    Yeah there's absolutely no excuse... No legitimate excuse for not being able to hot-swap display panels to anything you want, as often as you want, on any laptop. It should be plug and Play, just like a desktop monitor, and the fact that it's not is totally unacceptable. The only reason I can identify for that is the people that make laptops are short-sighted, idiotic, dishonest losers that are dumber than a box of rocks. My dad used to call people that think like they do educated idiots, which is a much more civilized and kind way of describing their nefarious incompetence.
  22. Mr. Fox
    The whole concept seems like a very hokey and somewhat pathetic gimmick to me. When you talk about something being repairable and upgradable, I think in terms of modular core components on the motherboard, like CPU and GPU, not buying a modular BGA assembly with snap-in blocks to change ports whenever you wish, like a 21st century equivalent of PCMCIA slots. In my view, this product is a joke. It is probably OK if you still enjoy playing with Legos or Lincoln Logs. It is a real stretch to refer to it as being an "enthusiast product" unless an adjective is missing somewhere in that phrase. I could see calling it a laptop for mobility geeks, maybe. Perhaps "easier to take apart" would be a more accurate way to describe it than upgradable. I do like that they have created their own standard form factor and will not deviate from it across multiple generations. That should really be applicable industry-wide for laptops. The single-model, one-shot proprietary crap should have been outlawed a long time ago, along with dishonest shenanigans like whitelisting components like WiFi modules and display panels. I mean, motherboard form factors have been standardized on desktops for many years. mATX, ATX, eATX, etc. We're way beyond overdue for that to have already happened to laptops. The only reason it hasn't is greed and myopic stupidity.
  23. Mr. Fox
    Intel has baby CPU cores, and AMD has baby GPUs. The underlying hoax is the same in either case. An irrational virtue signal that they are doing their tiny and inconsequential part to mitigate an imaginary crisis.
  24. Mr. Fox
    Yeah, that "hey guys, here's the new flagship <insert item here> come and get it... but, hurry" followed later on by "ha ha, faked you out, you stupid suckers" is really a skanky way to do things. Companies that operate that way deserve to have unfortunate things happen to them. A variant example of the same. Leveraging confusion, misrepresentation and ambiguity to enhance cash flow should be viewed as an unethical business practice. It reminds me off all of the GPU rebranding that was so common 10-12 years ago. "Here's our new GPU. It is exactly the same as the older one, but it has a new name and a new hardware ID. It costs more, and runs 50 MHz higher stock boost clock. We added more RAM even though you already had more than necessary, because we love you. Hurry kids... quantities are limited. If you're not first, you're last."
  25. Mr. Fox
    Yes. And, I cancelled my 13900K pre-order and decided to wait for the KS release instead. Either way, I win. I buy the KS and have the better CPU, or I buy a cheaper K later on. Sooner or later they'll figure out how it works. It's really stupid to make people that want the top shelf product and are willing to pay for it wait longer than everyone else.
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