Mr. Fox

Probably so, but the shunt-modded 3060 Ti does not need anywhere near 1200W. I think it could replace the 1600W on the benching rig and 1200W would be ample for the 4090 and 13900K. It has native ATX 3.0 and PCI-e 5.0 support that is ideal for the 4090, but the PSU itself would be better suited to the Corsair 5000D Airflow chassis that the 3060 Ti is in. It will fit better and address the lack of room in the basement of the case with the new cable orientation. What I will probably do is temporarily install the 4090 in my work computer with the PSU permanently installed for the PSU review, then after the review, put the 3060 Ti back in the work computer and put the 4090 in my benching rig that has the 1600W PSU. I have tons of unused space in the gigantic Level 20 XT aquarium, so I do not need the space-saving feature of this new PSU design in that chassis. If that's what I do, I will order a Cablemods 12VHPWR cable to replace the three 6+2 power cables feeding the 3090 KPE. I really despise those stupid short pigtail adapters that come with 4090 GPUs. Those are so stinking idiotic.

This came today. Will investigate the pros and cons after the 4090 arrives (hopefully the end of next week). Kind of sucks that I received an Amazon notification to preorder a Zotac 4090 AMP Extreme today for $100 less than the Suprim Liquid X. I almost ordered it and canceled the Suprim, but decided not to complicate things to save $100. But, I wanted the AMP more from the start. Seems like out of all the better 4090 models the AMP owners have less to gripe about overall... but, that's an anecdotal observation based on the idiosyncracies of the internet that nobody should rely on.

I can vaguely remember hearing there were issues with the most current Catalyst drivers. Have you tried more than one driver version? The power limit can be as high at 1000W (Galax vBIOS) but you will be limited by voltage, so the power utilization won't go any higher that the corresponding available voltage allows. The problem might be the overclock is just too high for the available voltage. Not sure since I don't know all the details, just sharing my thoughts on possibilities. Should be here next Friday. It was a pre-order on Amazon and has not shipped yet. Those old gigantic Caselab cases are amazing. I always wanted one, but didn't want to pay the price needed to buy one.

The LOD (Level of Detail) mod that you described is actually allowed for some benchmarks and not others according to HWBOT rules. While it is an accurate measurement, it is an apples to oranges comparison to scores that did not use that tweak. It is only cheating if you try to conceal it and submit it as a score that does not identify the LOD mod. What I think originally started it was 3DMark 11. It is one of the most demanding CPU+GPU performance tests of all time, and it employs tesselation on an extreme level. AMD/ATi GPUs struggled to run the benchmark well unless the GPU owner went into Catalyst Contro Center and disabled tesselation. That flipped the scenario and instead of AMD GPUs losing miserably against NVIDIA they destroyed NVIDIA scores. NVIDIA did not allow the option to disable tesselation. If you disabled tesselation in CCC on an AMD/ATi card, there were actually lots of totally missing graphic elements that were empty space on the screen and everything looked horrible. The absence of having any imagery to render allowed them to fly through the benchmark. There was a lot of debate on HWBOT on whether or not to allow tesellation to be disabled so fake benchmarks scores could be submitted by AMD/ATi owners. If they did not allow it, trying to police the results would have been difficult if not futile. So, the LOD mod was allowed so that NVIDIA owners could level the playing field by using a similar cheat. The LOD mod with an NVIDIA GPU did not totally eliminate graphic elements completely like disabling tesselation did with an AMD/ATi GPU, but it removed the unfair advantage allowing AMD/ATi owners to cheat. I am not sure why they allow the LOD mod on some benchmarks but not others.

That experience would be an interesting one, and valuable for perspective. I know some people do not believe in an afterlife in eternity and live as if our short time on this insane planet called Earth is the end of the road. I can't imagine how exasperating and futile it would be to go through life thinking it could end at any moment. It's not how long we are here, but what we believe and how we behave that sets the stage for what follows. Once you have that sorted, there is no reason to fear what is waiting on the other side of that doorway. Unless, of course, you have chosen to believe and act in a manner that should give you good reason to fear what is waiting for you. I understand the frustration you feel. Been there, done that. I would suggest that you consider the distinct possibility that the 9200 score you achieved once upon a time may not be accurate because benchmarks (especially 3DMark) and Windows are both buggy. So, you may be struggling to replicate a score that simply can't be replicated unless the same bug or glitch, or group of bugs, reoccurs in the exact same manner. If you keep hitting the same high score over and over again regardless of tuning and tweaks, that tells me you have achieved consistency and identified the limits of the performance capacity of your laptop. That is not a reflection on you or indicative of your skill, it's the functional limit of your machine. That is an accomplishment all by itself. Most people have no idea what the functional limit of their computer is, and don't know how to find out. If you are not satisfied with the results, then the only solution at this point is to get something better. Therein lies the danger of a passion for benching. Nothing is ever good enough. You crave more and have to feed the number-chasing monster inside of you.

Definitely good for that. I have a tablet and don't use it much because I do not like touch input, but it was less than $100 brand new. The only reason I don't have one of these instead of the tablet is the horribly low screen resolution. I won't accept anything less than 1080p. My tablet is 1080p. It is slow, but has a good FHD IPS screen and was dirt cheap, exactly like it should be. I won't spend very much money on something better because it's silly to spend much money on disposable products. It makes more sense to only spend a small amount for something that sucks than spend more for something that sucks a little bit less than the cheaper option. BGA is perfect for e-waste that costs less than $200. I keep it on the end table next to my recliner for a quick web search and use it for minimizing in-flight boredom. That's about all I use it for. Edit: I forgot... I also use it for a drink coaster. It has a vinyl cover so I don't have to worry about shorting it out if I spill liquid on it. The tablet makes and excellent drink coaster. 🤣

That is a very good video demonstration of what it means to be CPU limited. Steve really knows his stuff. There are a lot of people that do not understand that limiting the use of GPU muscle shifts the workload and causes greater load on the CPU.

I can vaguely remember that being a question that was asked when they announced they were going out of the GPU business, but I can't remember why they said no. If anyone could make AMD GPUs great it would be them and if anything were to interfere with it, probably would be AMD. Part of what made their relationship with NVIDIA rocky is EVGA not doing things the NVIDIA way, doing something better and not consulting with NVIDIA or getting their permission. EVGA made EVGA GPUs great, no thanks to NVIDIA. I also know (heard) that one of the reasons that it took them a long time to release an X570 Dark is because they had a difficult time working with AMD. The rules AMD tried to force them to follow on the BIOS were disagreeable and EVGA wanted to do some things in the firmware that AMD didn't want them to. At one point it seemed as if they were not going to even finish the project because they could not release something that EVGA could be proud of if they followed AMD guidelines. EVGA's approach is to make default settings the right ones (like maxing out power and current limits) and then hiding them so people don't screw things up trying to follow reference specs, and I like that. I also heard something similar about ASUS and the AMD BIOS. There are some redundant and less than useful menu items in their BIOS on AMD enthusiast motherboards only because AMD insisted, not because they actually made any sense. I really hated the ROG X570 Crosshair BIOS and found it frustrating at times. The menus that AMD required them to keep had some things that would conflict with features that ASUS added to make things work better and overall it was a confusing and sloppy mess that often produced unexpected results. There were a number of things about dealing with Dell/Alienware and their so-called enthusiast products that I found objectionable and insufferable, including their business philosophy and the corrupt mentality of their engineering and product development folks. They deliberately do things that make it difficult to correct their shortcomings. Combined with the unacceptable emerging trends in laptop design across the industry, I found it better and less frustrating to just wash my hands and shake the dust off my feet rather than constantly battling with abject stupidity. The difficulty dealing with idiotic design flaws always resulted in being left with products that were too compromised and ultimately incapable of ever meeting my expectations. My view of technology in general is that it is better for the stupid people of the world to be left for dead than to hurt yourself trying to mitigate the idiotic things that they do intentionally and will continue doing in spite of your efforts to help them. If there is any truth to the unBiblical cliché that "God helps those that help themselves" tolerating their nonsense is tantamount to "casting pearls before swine." It makes more sense to just give them as much rope is it takes for them to hang themselves and then walk away and let them do it. My world is a much better place without them in it and I am happier when they are not part of it. Throwing them a lifeline makes no sense if I'm better off allowing them to drown, and jumping in to try to save them will only end up pulling me under with them.

No, but the people who are trying to kill Windows 7, and making progress in doing so, have lost their minds. They are building an army of brain-dead zombie sheeple that love licking their boots. Linux is better than the trash they want us to use, and sometimes it is best to just rip the band-aid off. If I can force them to eat that nasty band-aid after I tear it off it will be worth it. But, if enough of us do it then we will have the pleasure of watching them slowly and painfully choke to death on dirty band-aids. It would bring me great joy to witness their death as a company. Linux would be there to pick up the pieces, so there is no real downside to be feared by the prospect of their sudden demise. That would catapult Linux from good to great in a matter of a few months, if not a few weeks. Once the smoke cleared the world would be a better place.

I've enjoyed the good life and I'm not ready to leave this floating chunk of rock, but I am not afraid of where I am going when I leave. A great place is being prepared for me. I would only be sad for those that get left behind. I won't miss them, but they will miss me. Seems like they draw the short straw.

I'm still looking to replace everything Microsoft with Linux in my life. As much as I love Windows 7, I want to control my destiny and deprive the Redmomd Reprobates of the privilege of counting me among those who have bowed before their Throne of Filth and sworn allegiance to their depraved World Order. The longer I try to hold on to Windows 7 the more challenging it will be to cut my losses and rid myself of their demonic influence. They are not as horrible as Apple. But, in at least one way they are worse than Apple. Apple has always sucked, and always will. The Redmond Reprobates know what greatness looks like, and they have deliberately chosen a path of suckiness.

Hey there it is nothing wrong with a Chromebook. It's probably the only logical use of the BGA filth and it's actually appropriate for a thin and light portable device. For the price, it's hard to find fault in them. You get what you pay for, unlike the so-called gaming notebook trash that costs a lot, delivers little, and shows us all what failure on a grand scale looks like. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I hope that eternity finds her in a better place, free of sorrow and the trials we will endure in her absence.

Now you are making me blush. Thank you.

I still want one. Maybe I should sell the 3060 Ti as well and replace it with one

I don't use WiFI either on my desktops. And, I do not use Intel integrated graphics. My Dark does not support it and the CPU in my Strix mobo doesn't even have it. But, the world around us embraces filth, and we will all ultimately have nothing greater than whatever the lowest common denominators of our species are willing to put up with. Like Albert Einstein said, genius is limited, but stupidity is not. Windows 11 has no redeeming qualities. I use it at least 8 hours a day and can't identify anything about it that reflects goodness or excellence.

I will still have two desktops and Linux is running on both of them, and the 3060 Ti runs like a top on Windows 7 just as the 3090 does. So, I won't be stuck with using W10/11 garbage exclusively. But, you can bet your booty I am going to try to find, or do my own, driver mod. Chances are slim it will work, but it won't be for lack of trying. Windows 7 is still the best version of Windows. The day is going to come (too soon) when using W7 is as difficult as using WindowsXP due to lack of driver support. There are already some things (Intel graphics, Intel WiFi 6, etc.) that can't and don't work because of deliberate interference from the control freak Nazi tech dictatorship. I'm not happy about that, but there's nothing we can do about it. When you have nothing good to eat and you're only remaining option is starving to death, sometimes you have to go dumpster-diving. Try to avoid the maggots.

That's why I posted the Tom Logan video next to KitGuru because it helped bring some balance to the Kool-Aid drinking ceremony. When I first saw it and the opportunity presented to give it a go, I was initially skeptical because it is different. The overly positive KitGuru review allowed me to see it installed and now I am less skeptical than my first impressions. I will be doing a formal review on it within the next couple of weeks, so if there is anything about it that sucks it will be identified without any mincing of words. It is supposed to arrive tomorrow based on the tracking number I received. I'll put a link to the review in this thread once it is done. I will probably wait to begin testing it until I receive the 4090 late next week since this PSU is ATX 3.0 and has native 12VHPWR support. Maybe Brothers @Rage Setand @electrosoftcan tell us how this new driver is working out.

I think there is a good justification for this. If your space behind the motherboard tray and side panel is too narrow it might be an issue. But, think of cases like the Lian Li 011 Dynamic (including the mini and XL versions) and similar designs from other brands. The PSU could be the perfect candidate for some cases. The cables would point vertically and the PSU is installed vertically, with the fan pointing toward the side panel. A small case or a long PSU does not leave much space when the cables connect horizontally at the end and they easliy collide with other things at the end of the PSU. Seems like a really smart idea to me. It might not be in certain scenarios based on chassis design. I am looking forward to testing the arrangment and can certainly see the merit to it depending on the chassis. I am envious of your beautiful case (not the price of it) and you don't have to worry about some things like other people do because it is so large. I wish there were more tower cases as large as that one. It is unfortunate how small and cramped most of them are. I really hate cramped workspaces of any kind. Always better to have more room than what is necessary. You can ignore what extra you have that you do not need, but if you run out of space that just sucks.

I am also going to be receiving one of these new products. More to follow in the near future. I might actually be able to use the 3.5-inch drive cage/caddy in the basement of my Corsair case with this. (Can't with the 1600W PSU cables coming out of the PSU in the traditional fashion.)

My experience has been the opposite in some cases. I have needed to add voltage to avoid errors in memory stability testing at least half the time, even though most XMP profiles have sloppy loose timings and perform poorly. I think the reason they use such sloppy timings is because they are pursuing low voltage and care less about performance than keeping the voltage low. Also have to factor in variance in motherboard and CPU quality.

All laptops are nerfed, so don't feel too bad about it. Anything that is thin and light BGA rubbish is going to suffer from the bar being set very low and have limited potential. It's an inescapable reality. I know it is very frustrating to burn so many calories and see little or no change, and inconsistent results.

Good point, but it's also not smart to build or buy something like that in the first place. The problems with heat, power and build quality are a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Thank you. I still feel stupid for buying it last week, and almost cancelled the order several times since then. It has not shipped yet and I almost cancelled the order this evening. There are no Strix 4090 for sale anywhere from what I can see, and I don't want to pay an extra $400-$500 for one. I have only seen one available once and it was around $2499. I have a hunch that ASUS has temporarily stopped making them because sales are too slow and not many people are willing to pay stupid 4090 prices. I think all of the AIB partners are being conservative on production so they do not end up having excess stock they can't move like what happened with so many 30-series cards that are still available.

Nothing special to know. Other than it changing the hardware ID and name to "Galaxy" in GPU-Z it functions exactly the same. The only vBIOSes that don't play nice with other GPUs that I am aware of are the ASUS morphodite firmwares because ASUS HDMI/DP port mapping is proprietary and ends up leaving you with one or two display outputs that do not function. If you flash back the original firmware everything (including HWID and GPU name) will go back to original. PSA: I ordered a MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X and I am debating whether to put the 3090 Kingpin in my work computer and sell the 3060 Ti FTW3 or vice versa. I got lucky and snagged a "sold and shipped by Amazon" GPU for $1799. No third-party seller drama and no scalper fees. Probably going to sell the 3090 Kingpin so I can cover a larger portion of the cost of the upgrade. If anyone is interested, please let me know and I will put it up here in the marketplace or we can do it via PM. I always like to give first crack at my parts to people I know before I sell on eBay or Mercari. Having the mutual trust is a plus, and so is not rewarding eBay and Mercari for highway robbery on ludicrous seller fees and greedy Nazi "authorities" that believe it is OK to double-tax buyers for sales tax on used parts where sales tax was already paid by the seller on the new parts. It is still under warranty with EVGA. I just did a fresh application of thermal putty on the VRMs, new Snowman thermal pads and KPX a week ago. It has the XOC 1000W vBIOS provided to me via email by Vince (Kingpin) on the LN2 BIOS position, original box, etc. Excellent condition. I have the original hybrid cooler parts that will be included in case someone wants to use it on a system without a custom loop, but I currently have the Hydro Copper block on it and an MP5WORKS waterblock on the back plate. Before I sell the 3090 I want to make sure the 4090 is not a dud that I need to return to Amazon for refund or exchange. If it is poor to average silicon quality, I will let them have it back to pawn off on someone else. So, I am not in a huge hurry to sell the 3090 and won't even be ready to for probably two or three weeks if someone is interested but doesn't have cash tomorrow. I won't even have the 4090 until the end of next week, so no rush. I think Brother @Raidermanneeds this GPU so he can experience the goodness of ray tracing. 😜