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That is a very good video demonstration of what it means to be CPU limited. Steve really knows his stuff. There are a lot of people that do not understand that limiting the use of GPU muscle shifts the workload and causes greater load on the CPU.

I can vaguely remember that being a question that was asked when they announced they were going out of the GPU business, but I can't remember why they said no. If anyone could make AMD GPUs great it would be them and if anything were to interfere with it, probably would be AMD. Part of what made their relationship with NVIDIA rocky is EVGA not doing things the NVIDIA way, doing something better and not consulting with NVIDIA or getting their permission. EVGA made EVGA GPUs great, no thanks to NVIDIA. I also know (heard) that one of the reasons that it took them a long time to release an X570 Dark is because they had a difficult time working with AMD. The rules AMD tried to force them to follow on the BIOS were disagreeable and EVGA wanted to do some things in the firmware that AMD didn't want them to. At one point it seemed as if they were not going to even finish the project because they could not release something that EVGA could be proud of if they followed AMD guidelines. EVGA's approach is to make default settings the right ones (like maxing out power and current limits) and then hiding them so people don't screw things up trying to follow reference specs, and I like that. I also heard something similar about ASUS and the AMD BIOS. There are some redundant and less than useful menu items in their BIOS on AMD enthusiast motherboards only because AMD insisted, not because they actually made any sense. I really hated the ROG X570 Crosshair BIOS and found it frustrating at times. The menus that AMD required them to keep had some things that would conflict with features that ASUS added to make things work better and overall it was a confusing and sloppy mess that often produced unexpected results. There were a number of things about dealing with Dell/Alienware and their so-called enthusiast products that I found objectionable and insufferable, including their business philosophy and the corrupt mentality of their engineering and product development folks. They deliberately do things that make it difficult to correct their shortcomings. Combined with the unacceptable emerging trends in laptop design across the industry, I found it better and less frustrating to just wash my hands and shake the dust off my feet rather than constantly battling with abject stupidity. The difficulty dealing with idiotic design flaws always resulted in being left with products that were too compromised and ultimately incapable of ever meeting my expectations. My view of technology in general is that it is better for the stupid people of the world to be left for dead than to hurt yourself trying to mitigate the idiotic things that they do intentionally and will continue doing in spite of your efforts to help them. If there is any truth to the unBiblical cliché that "God helps those that help themselves" tolerating their nonsense is tantamount to "casting pearls before swine." It makes more sense to just give them as much rope is it takes for them to hang themselves and then walk away and let them do it. My world is a much better place without them in it and I am happier when they are not part of it. Throwing them a lifeline makes no sense if I'm better off allowing them to drown, and jumping in to try to save them will only end up pulling me under with them.

No, but the people who are trying to kill Windows 7, and making progress in doing so, have lost their minds. They are building an army of brain-dead zombie sheeple that love licking their boots. Linux is better than the trash they want us to use, and sometimes it is best to just rip the band-aid off. If I can force them to eat that nasty band-aid after I tear it off it will be worth it. But, if enough of us do it then we will have the pleasure of watching them slowly and painfully choke to death on dirty band-aids. It would bring me great joy to witness their death as a company. Linux would be there to pick up the pieces, so there is no real downside to be feared by the prospect of their sudden demise. That would catapult Linux from good to great in a matter of a few months, if not a few weeks. Once the smoke cleared the world would be a better place.

I've enjoyed the good life and I'm not ready to leave this floating chunk of rock, but I am not afraid of where I am going when I leave. A great place is being prepared for me. I would only be sad for those that get left behind. I won't miss them, but they will miss me. Seems like they draw the short straw.

I'm still looking to replace everything Microsoft with Linux in my life. As much as I love Windows 7, I want to control my destiny and deprive the Redmomd Reprobates of the privilege of counting me among those who have bowed before their Throne of Filth and sworn allegiance to their depraved World Order. The longer I try to hold on to Windows 7 the more challenging it will be to cut my losses and rid myself of their demonic influence. They are not as horrible as Apple. But, in at least one way they are worse than Apple. Apple has always sucked, and always will. The Redmond Reprobates know what greatness looks like, and they have deliberately chosen a path of suckiness.

Hey there it is nothing wrong with a Chromebook. It's probably the only logical use of the BGA filth and it's actually appropriate for a thin and light portable device. For the price, it's hard to find fault in them. You get what you pay for, unlike the so-called gaming notebook trash that costs a lot, delivers little, and shows us all what failure on a grand scale looks like. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I hope that eternity finds her in a better place, free of sorrow and the trials we will endure in her absence.

Now you are making me blush. Thank you.

I still want one. Maybe I should sell the 3060 Ti as well and replace it with one

I don't use WiFI either on my desktops. And, I do not use Intel integrated graphics. My Dark does not support it and the CPU in my Strix mobo doesn't even have it. But, the world around us embraces filth, and we will all ultimately have nothing greater than whatever the lowest common denominators of our species are willing to put up with. Like Albert Einstein said, genius is limited, but stupidity is not. Windows 11 has no redeeming qualities. I use it at least 8 hours a day and can't identify anything about it that reflects goodness or excellence.

I will still have two desktops and Linux is running on both of them, and the 3060 Ti runs like a top on Windows 7 just as the 3090 does. So, I won't be stuck with using W10/11 garbage exclusively. But, you can bet your booty I am going to try to find, or do my own, driver mod. Chances are slim it will work, but it won't be for lack of trying. Windows 7 is still the best version of Windows. The day is going to come (too soon) when using W7 is as difficult as using WindowsXP due to lack of driver support. There are already some things (Intel graphics, Intel WiFi 6, etc.) that can't and don't work because of deliberate interference from the control freak Nazi tech dictatorship. I'm not happy about that, but there's nothing we can do about it. When you have nothing good to eat and you're only remaining option is starving to death, sometimes you have to go dumpster-diving. Try to avoid the maggots.

That's why I posted the Tom Logan video next to KitGuru because it helped bring some balance to the Kool-Aid drinking ceremony. When I first saw it and the opportunity presented to give it a go, I was initially skeptical because it is different. The overly positive KitGuru review allowed me to see it installed and now I am less skeptical than my first impressions. I will be doing a formal review on it within the next couple of weeks, so if there is anything about it that sucks it will be identified without any mincing of words. It is supposed to arrive tomorrow based on the tracking number I received. I'll put a link to the review in this thread once it is done. I will probably wait to begin testing it until I receive the 4090 late next week since this PSU is ATX 3.0 and has native 12VHPWR support. Maybe Brothers @Rage Setand @electrosoftcan tell us how this new driver is working out.

I think there is a good justification for this. If your space behind the motherboard tray and side panel is too narrow it might be an issue. But, think of cases like the Lian Li 011 Dynamic (including the mini and XL versions) and similar designs from other brands. The PSU could be the perfect candidate for some cases. The cables would point vertically and the PSU is installed vertically, with the fan pointing toward the side panel. A small case or a long PSU does not leave much space when the cables connect horizontally at the end and they easliy collide with other things at the end of the PSU. Seems like a really smart idea to me. It might not be in certain scenarios based on chassis design. I am looking forward to testing the arrangment and can certainly see the merit to it depending on the chassis. I am envious of your beautiful case (not the price of it) and you don't have to worry about some things like other people do because it is so large. I wish there were more tower cases as large as that one. It is unfortunate how small and cramped most of them are. I really hate cramped workspaces of any kind. Always better to have more room than what is necessary. You can ignore what extra you have that you do not need, but if you run out of space that just sucks.

I am also going to be receiving one of these new products. More to follow in the near future. I might actually be able to use the 3.5-inch drive cage/caddy in the basement of my Corsair case with this. (Can't with the 1600W PSU cables coming out of the PSU in the traditional fashion.)

My experience has been the opposite in some cases. I have needed to add voltage to avoid errors in memory stability testing at least half the time, even though most XMP profiles have sloppy loose timings and perform poorly. I think the reason they use such sloppy timings is because they are pursuing low voltage and care less about performance than keeping the voltage low. Also have to factor in variance in motherboard and CPU quality.

All laptops are nerfed, so don't feel too bad about it. Anything that is thin and light BGA rubbish is going to suffer from the bar being set very low and have limited potential. It's an inescapable reality. I know it is very frustrating to burn so many calories and see little or no change, and inconsistent results.

Good point, but it's also not smart to build or buy something like that in the first place. The problems with heat, power and build quality are a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Thank you. I still feel stupid for buying it last week, and almost cancelled the order several times since then. It has not shipped yet and I almost cancelled the order this evening. There are no Strix 4090 for sale anywhere from what I can see, and I don't want to pay an extra $400-$500 for one. I have only seen one available once and it was around $2499. I have a hunch that ASUS has temporarily stopped making them because sales are too slow and not many people are willing to pay stupid 4090 prices. I think all of the AIB partners are being conservative on production so they do not end up having excess stock they can't move like what happened with so many 30-series cards that are still available.

Nothing special to know. Other than it changing the hardware ID and name to "Galaxy" in GPU-Z it functions exactly the same. The only vBIOSes that don't play nice with other GPUs that I am aware of are the ASUS morphodite firmwares because ASUS HDMI/DP port mapping is proprietary and ends up leaving you with one or two display outputs that do not function. If you flash back the original firmware everything (including HWID and GPU name) will go back to original. PSA: I ordered a MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X and I am debating whether to put the 3090 Kingpin in my work computer and sell the 3060 Ti FTW3 or vice versa. I got lucky and snagged a "sold and shipped by Amazon" GPU for $1799. No third-party seller drama and no scalper fees. Probably going to sell the 3090 Kingpin so I can cover a larger portion of the cost of the upgrade. If anyone is interested, please let me know and I will put it up here in the marketplace or we can do it via PM. I always like to give first crack at my parts to people I know before I sell on eBay or Mercari. Having the mutual trust is a plus, and so is not rewarding eBay and Mercari for highway robbery on ludicrous seller fees and greedy Nazi "authorities" that believe it is OK to double-tax buyers for sales tax on used parts where sales tax was already paid by the seller on the new parts. It is still under warranty with EVGA. I just did a fresh application of thermal putty on the VRMs, new Snowman thermal pads and KPX a week ago. It has the XOC 1000W vBIOS provided to me via email by Vince (Kingpin) on the LN2 BIOS position, original box, etc. Excellent condition. I have the original hybrid cooler parts that will be included in case someone wants to use it on a system without a custom loop, but I currently have the Hydro Copper block on it and an MP5WORKS waterblock on the back plate. Before I sell the 3090 I want to make sure the 4090 is not a dud that I need to return to Amazon for refund or exchange. If it is poor to average silicon quality, I will let them have it back to pawn off on someone else. So, I am not in a huge hurry to sell the 3090 and won't even be ready to for probably two or three weeks if someone is interested but doesn't have cash tomorrow. I won't even have the 4090 until the end of next week, so no rush. I think Brother @Raidermanneeds this GPU so he can experience the goodness of ray tracing. 😜

I remember some of those things, but don't remember clearly what I did with some of them. Here is what I remember from the P870DM3 (never had a TM). keyboard lighting requires Clevo Control Center (CCC) cancer software SATA drives are a bit tricky to line up with ports and need to use something to reach under the drive and lift up If I remember correctly (big if) the BIOS fan option is to enable CCC to control the fans in Windows There were two 1440p screen options, one better than the other (sorry, don't recall details - I had the better one) Congratulations on purchasing the last good high performance laptop that was manufactured. The P870DM3 was the last laptop that I remember truly being fond of and didn't regret purchasing. I hope Clevo continues to offer service parts for it in case you ever need to replace something. Looks like this might have some useful fixes. Download AIDA64 Extreme (beta) Version: 6.85.6329 beta (Jan 31, 2023) Release notes: AVX-512 FMA units count information for AMD Zen 4 AVX-512 FMA units count information for Intel Cannon Lake, Ice Lake, Tiger Lake, Rocket Lake, Alder Lake, Raptor Lake improved DDR5 SPD bank switching identification of DDR5-9600, DDR5-9800, DDR5-10000, DDR5-10200, DDR5-10400, DDR5-10600, DDR5-10800 memory modules, DDR5-11000, DDR5-11200, DDR5-11400, DDR5-11600, DDR5-11800, DDR5-12000 memory modules PCI VPD detection / improved exception handling motherboard specific sensor info for Asus ROG Strix Z590-A Gaming WiFi II motherboard specific sensor info for Gigabyte A620 Series motherboard specific sensor info for HP 2B5E fixed: supported memory types list for AMD K19.1, K19.4, K19.6, K19.7 fixed: DIMM thermal sensor support for DDR5 memory modules fixed: MSI MEG Ai1000P, Ai1300P PSU sensor support fixed: sensor support for Aqua Computer LeakShield with FW 1019 fixed: motherboard specific sensor info for MSI MS-7D40 Nice to see you benching, Brother @Reciever. Since you said "not Kingpin" here is the Galax HOF 1000W 3090 vBIOS. (It also works fine on my 3090 Kingpin.) Rename a copy of the ROM to something short and sweet to make flashing easier. Also remember to backup your original vBIOS first. GALAX.RTX3090.24576.210125 (94.02.38.00.30).zip

Better off sticking with low cost options like Silicon Power, TeamGroup, Sabrent SSDs. The more popular Samsung gets the less quality and higher prices we see, with no meaningful benefits that I can identify.

I guess I never thought of it that way in terms of EVGA. Not only are they small, they are willing to break the rules and do things that Intel, NVIDIA and probably AMD do not approve of. They often make their competitors look bad and seem feckless, which probably does not win them any points among peers. My kind of company... not content with status quo and don't care about getting permission or blessings, or playing nice. I've heard rumors that their unwillingness to lock the IME and let customers downgrade or disable it in the BIOS is a no-no that Intel does not approve of. The other OEMs follow the rules on IME. I'm glad EVGA does not. One of the first things I do on my Dark mobos is disable IME. It's adds no value and is utterly worthless on consumer motherboards.

Yes, that is correct. Brother @Papusan is right. Even if the driver was not "approved" by UL (only meaning they actually tested the version) it would still be acceptable by HWBOT rules. There are no restrictions on drivers that are allowed with HWBOT. You can use any driver you wish as long as the results do not produce unrealistic benchmark scores that suggest that cheats were used. They can spot scores that are out of scope with an expected range of results because it tends to stick out like a sore thumb. That said, it is not a common scenario that any official driver version affects performance to a degree that the change in scores are freakishly out of line with the applied cooling and clock speeds. If anything, the scores will usually go down with a buggy driver, not up. General Rules | HWBOT The more common scenario is bugs and glitches in the benchmark software that produce abnormally high results, not the driver. If they spot glitched benchmark submissions where the score is freakishly high for the clock speeds shown in the required screenshots and validation links, they will disqualify and delete those submissions. In fact, there is some controversy of this nature relating to disabling memory ECC on 4090 GPUs. @Papusanand @johnksssand others have recently had their 4090 benchmark submissions arbitrarily deleted. In my opinion, this is being driven by golden boys having an issue with scores that are similar, higher or uncomfortably close to their 4090 submissions. They do not like it when peasants steal their thunder. For the first time, probably ever, I think the golden boys find themselves without any "secret weapons" and subject to the instability of the silicon lottery where GPUs are concerned and reacting to competition they are not used to having. With EVGA out of the GPU arms race, the level of mediocrity and loss of focus at the OEM level has never been greater. EVGA is not there to challenge NVIDIA's control freak nonsense and push the envelope anymore. I also believe that is why CENS was so eager to get his hands on the abnormally good CPU that @tps3443had. I am sure he was worried it would end up in the hands of a competitive peasant and that would be a threat. I really doubt he "needed" it for himself. He can get high quality silicon like that through special channels exclusively available to the golden boys that are chosen and predestined to stay on top of the leaderboards. They also get access to carefully selected and modified components and firmware that is not available to us pions.

To be clear, 18+4 is just ordinary gamerboy grade, not top shelf .

Brother @Papusanhas a sharp eye. The question mark at the end is the issue.