Mr. Fox

I don't know. Never tried it. I've basically ignored anything other than the XOC firmware since the day Vince sent it because my benchmarks are all pulling way beyond 520W. I have tried tons of different drives and it doesn't seem to be driver related. Is there a 520W with rebar support? I will give it a shot and see if it is the same, better or worse.

I just don't get this. More voltage, less voltage, load clock sucks. Max core temp is under 40°C. Pretty much kills benching fun.

I have relatives that are school teachers, and some of them are very intelligent, so there are always exceptions. But, the concept here is similar to the old cliché, "Those who can do, those who cannot teach." Another way of putting it, "When you have no go, focus on show." It is the sleepers you should be worried about. They'll catch you off guard and the outcome can be lethal. RGB is like sword-rattling... using a toy sword.

I think where it has the potential to be most misleading is where overclocking headroom is concerned. I've noticed that to some extent where the CPU binning process is concerned. I've also seen it in the past with GPU ASIC scores. The silicon with the better numbers almost always runs cooler with lower voltage at stock or near stock. But once in a while the "better" silicon doesn't overclock very well or as high no matter how much voltage you give to it. If you mostly play games or if you're running a turdbook with horrible thermal management, overclocking probably isn't something that you're going to lose a lot of sleep over. But, if you're into overclocking more than anything else it's kind of tragic. I'd rather have a sample that overclocks higher and performs better even though it takes more voltage and it's harder to cool. But I wouldn't if I was the kind of person I just described and overclocking wasn't my primary interest.

OK, the BIOS and vBIOS changes didn't break my Linux installation, so that is good.

That did it. I guess the latest version with DWM is the problem. Thank you.

It's this one. I think the latest version.

Darn it. Something seems bugged with it. Profile Inspector crashes at launch, and if select "Continue" the unknown features button is grayed out. Maybe it is because I don't have the Rebar vBIOS installed?

That's nice. Thank you. 🙂 Yeah, that Green Goblin often makes AMD look like something that might be interesting, but I don't think I am that I am anywhere near that desperate yet.

I did not know that Inspector and Profile Inspector were recently updated. Thanks for mentioning it. I just downloaded both and will check it out. It had gone so many years without an update I just figured the guy wasn't supporting it any more. Speaking of support, I wonder if Unwinder is done now or what. Afterburner and RTSS haven't been updated for a long time.

I suppose I could put the XOC Rebar vBIOS on another BIOS position and temporarily switch to UEFI mode. But, I need to figure out why more core clocks won't stay above 2175 under load. I think (hope) it is because I can't get the core cold enough. I ran RTSS OSD to see why my Port Royal and other 3DMark scores suck now and noticed it doing that.

I am not sure what that means. Is there a new version of NVIDIA Inspector that forces ReBar? I can't use the vBIOS with ReBar support because it is incompatible with CSM and I refuse to run pure UEFI mode. Plus, that won't work with W7. If you enable CSM you'll have a black screen with no video output with a ReBar vBIOS.

I think the SP rating is very useful to identify poorly binned CPUs that need to be returned due to poor quality silicon, but I don't think it is 100% accurate past a certain point, and the fact that it changes with temperature and firmware revision makes it even more suspect as being reliable measurement for a whole lot more than spotting on first boot if you have a CPU that needs to be RMA'd immediately.

Yes it does. LEDs can generate quick a bit of added warmth. I have MSI's UWP Control Center feces install on my W11 feces OS so I can turn it off with the trash software. (Since it is garbage, I use W11 for garbage collection for things exactly like that. Then I don't have to worry about my W10 getting digital cancer.) 100%. If there was a way to turn it off in the BIOS or without installing UWP Store trash software, I wouldn't loathe it so vehemently.

Nice score, and that KS seems like a good sample to me. If CPU-Z is not bugged because of the new CPU 1.225V for 56x all P-core is really good. Is that where you have the BIOS set for voltage, or is it 56x on a couple of cores? Don't have to worry about me taking that crown from you. My 3090 KPE can't seem to hold more than about 2175 under load even on chilled water, so I am unable to even hit 16K. I may pull the block off and replace the KPX with liquid metal and see if that helps (keeping the core colder).

I finally pulled off the crappy (and ugly) T-Force heat sinks and replaced them with the RAM jackets and finned heat sink that I had on my GSKILL DDR4. I was getting errors in TM5 due to overheating right near the end of the test run and now no errors and 12°C cooler. I am also glad that the RGB puke rainbow is gone with the LEDs hidden under the heat sinks now. I never have cared much for RGB memory... chintzy gimmick that requires bloatware filth to control. Thanks, but no thanks. I honestly don't know how memory manufacturers think they are doing us a favor by slapping thin aluminum sheets with an adhesive foam "blanket" to snuggle the ICs in their own heat. The stock ones are never much good, but they'd probably be good enough to leave alone if they actually used good thermal pads instead of that adhesive foam rubber crap to trap heat. It also makes them a real pain in the butt to remove from the modules. They make them so difficult to remove, maybe they are scared someone might discover a memory module hiding under the tacky dress.

I saw that in the release notes when AIDA64 auto-updated earlier today and wondered the same.

That seems about right. It appears they work in opposite directions. I tried Google-search to figure out how MSI did it and ended up figuring it out through trial and error. I like the EVGA way better. No silly nomenclature that leaves things open to guessing. I think +75/+50/+25/0/-25/-50/-75 makes a whole helluva lot more sense. Random observation: I created a TVB 5.7GHz profile as demonstrated by Skatterbencher. Voltage was high for my CPU. I was able to use considerably less voltage than his video demonstrated. However, performance is not as good as my daily-driver 52x all p-core core, 42x all e-core and 46x cache configuration except in single-threaded applications. Multi-threaded benchmark scores are lower. There are not very many workload scenarios where I actually witnessed it boosting to 5.7GHz. It seems I don't do much that is single thread workload. I went back to my own all-core mode, as I like that a lot better. Better performance, less voltage and lower temperatures using my way. It did seem to boot to the desktop faster, but that never has been important to me except when boot-time is freakishly long and I have to sit there staring at the screen and wondering how much longer.

Here is an assortment of naked and build pictures. You can buy the raw materials on Amazon. It is like building with an Erector Set. This stuff is often used for building 3D printers, CNC machines, etc. You can orient the motherboard horizontal, vertical, upside down, sideways, whatever you want. Pieces fit together with brackets that slide inside of tracks in the square extruded aluminum bars, held in place with Phillips and Allen-head set screws.

Nobody seems to hold a candle to EVGA on warranty service. They are really good. I am very happy to hear that MSI is owning their mistake and trying to make up for the demonstration of incompetence. It takes a while to win back confidence after something like that happens. If it happens more than once, chances are good that there won't be any second second-chances.

The PrimoChill Praxis Wetbench is my favorite because it has all of the features of a case with no walls to get in the way. I have an aluminum frame open bench that has been sitting in my closet unused for a long time. If you are interested in that, let me know and I will post some pictures for you to see what it looks like. It was very convenient for binning CPUs. Very compact. If you are not planning to run a bunch of SATA drives (it will accommodate a couple) it is a nice setup. I like the idea of a Linux-centered leaderboard like HWBOT. I am not sure how much back-end work that would require. I don't have sufficient free time to figure it out, but I would certainly submit benchmarks. The fittings I needed to re-connect the chiller arrives a day earlier than expected. It is good having that working again. The third D5 pump really boosted the water flow rate. Short video for a friend that asked for detailed information on how I have configured the cooling lines for quick and easy radiator bypass when using the chiller. YouTube is still processng it, so the quality is poor at the moment. It should be availale in full resolution soon.

Sadly, that seems to be a universal truth for PC tech in the 21st century. All of the OEMs/ODMs suck now. Lack of regard for customer experience, an absence of pride in the products they sell, lackluster QC and technical incompetence seem to be status quo now. The goal is to get our money and getting what we pay for isn't high on their list of priorities. Their lists seem to be limited to: Charge as much as people are stupid enough to pay Get the money, and say what you need to accomplish that Lie to whatever extent it is necessary to keep the money Deny any and all liability for mistakes, errors and omissions Make excuses to the extent necessary to shirk responsibility Make warranty fulfillment as slow, difficult and painful as possible

They sure are enjoying that Kool-Aid, LOL... drink up, kidz. There's more poop where that came from. Plenty for everyone. https://www.overclock.net/threads/new-12700k-build-i-was-told-100-to-use-win-11.1797876/post-28971064 Windows 7 SP1 x64 Windows 10 v1809 Windows 10 21H2 Windows 11

Thanks. I will give that a go after I get the chiller reconnected. (Had to order more fittings after adding the manifold.) I may be using too much voltage. Are you using the XOC 1000W vBIOS from Vince for that or one of the standard vBIOS that ships on the card? I have not done any experimenting the the firmware included on the card from the factory. I flashed the vBIOS from Vince right away when I bought the GPU and haven't even tried to do any benching with anything else since then.

Kool-Aid drinking alert, LOL. https://www.overclock.net/threads/new-12700k-build-i-was-told-100-to-use-win-11.1797876/post-28970673