Mr. Fox

8 hours ago, aldarxt said:

How you fell for the brainwashing tactics of the democrat backed Chinese tactics is a sad indication of how close our divided Country is to toppling. The only thing keeping US from becoming slaves to China is the Armed American Citizen.

That's why disarming us and having open borders make such "good sense" to those on the lunatic fringe. They want that.

8 hours ago, ryan said:

I was just testing, I want a babe pic and before I saw your post I already changed it to a babe lol.. yeah im not going to be a scary clown/ im a nerd into women

So, cool... what you're telling us is that you are normal then. 😉 

On the other topic, I've never been particularly scared of creepy clowns, but they are a strange thing that just makes you feel weird, like something is really messed up. I'm not exactly sure why. I think that playing the part of one is a great way to get shot, stabbed, beaten up, or run over by a car, because some people get totally freaked out and lose their minds when they see one. Even seeing a "normal" clown freaks some people out really bad. I've even seen people close their eyes or look away when they see a creepy clown on TV because they get weirded out. I actually Googled it and it has been classified as a real condition.

https://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/what-is-coulrophobia

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What Is Coulrophobia?
Coulrophobia, more simply known as a fear of clowns, is a specific phobic disorder that causes distress surrounding the presence of clowns. While many people link this phobia to children, adults can also have it, as it often goes untreated for many years.

 

Coulrophobia usually flares up at parties, festivals, and Halloween get-togethers, as clowns are often found at these places. Yet, a person may also react negatively to the mere thought of encountering a clown.

 

Phobias are, by definition, an irrational fear of something, meaning that mere exposure to the situation isn’t a sure way to get over it. Instead, people with coulrophobia may opt to avoid these situations altogether — leading to isolation and missing out on important events.

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Looks like a OG MSI Gaming X! Based on picture quality. That’s probably like a 980Ti maybe? 

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

Not sure, I think 1080 or 1080 Ti's.

Yup. That seems like not long ago but it actually was longer than it seems. It was 5 years ago and they were 1080 Ti. I know this because my only 1080 Ti SLI benchmarks were run that day.

https://hwbot.org/submission/3839002_mr._fox_3dmark11___performance_2x_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_46904_marks

25 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

Andddd it's off! I am curious to see what Mr. Fox does with AMD on the GPU side of things. On one hand, it is a new experience and the chance to gain some points. On the other hand, I suspect his visit with AMD to be short-lived, hahaha. Mr. Fox, my advice is that dialing back the voltage aka undervolting on AMD GPU's will help you in certain benchmarks. 

 

One last thing, I don't remember using MPT and Red BIOS Editor on the Asrock 6900XT, only on my MSI 6800XT. I don't think I did it because I wanted to wait until I blocked it and as you will see, I never did block it. 

It will be fun to see what I can do with it. I haven't used those tools before. They did not exist as far as I know the last time I owned a Red GPU, so I will need to grab them and figure it out. Thanks, Brother @Rage Set.

Great news, Brother @Papusan! Looky here... you can get bling bling for your crocs now!

Hurry, before they are all gone. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BWTHRRW4

14 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

What programs do you all recommend for memory testing? I've never really messed with RAM at all, but @Custom90gtsold me his sticks and I'd like to make sure they have no errors at the speeds I'm using them at now.

All good suggestions have been made. Memtest86 and Windows Memory Diagnostic work well. I have issues with the native Windows memory tool trying to constantly launch in Windows and showing a system tray icon after running it through a cycle. It's very annoying and sometimes I have to try a few times to get rid of it. I have tried disabling it in Task Scheduler which only works about half the time and I have gone as far as renaming the executable file to stop it.

TM5 is super convenient. I also like using Run Memtest86 Pro from DangWang. Both of these are wonderful because they run within Windows. You can use them for testing live memory timings tweaks without a bunch of time wasting reboots. Once you get the custom settings dialed in, you can reboot once and go into the BIOS to apply them for final testing. There's another one I have that runs in Windows that also works well, but I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head. I'll have to find it and come back and mention it. I haven't used that one in a while. I always forget that I have it until someone posts something mentioning it in a forum and then I'm like 'oh yeah, I have that' LOL.

I have found pretty much all of them work fine for me.

Edit: @Tenoroonthe one I always forget about that works well is https://www.karhusoftware.com/ramtest/ and it runs in Windows.

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

No time for this now but good news for the old. Almost all of the nvidias AIB partners give a rat in their older graphics cards. And Maxwell have still driver support. 

 

The caring ends as soon as there is something new to sell. Business runs on money. They too easily forget that money comes from the people that buy the products businesses sell. The problem is they love the money, not the people they get it from. Pretty messed up, but that's the way the ball bounces.

Once in a great while we see an exception to that, and those companies are usually very successful. They operate based on The Golden Rule. They are few and far between, unfortunately.

Pretending it is true it's fairly common though. You can easily spot the liars because actions speak louder than words... ASUS.
 

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

OMG, I saw the first set of pics and I immediately thought, "Johnksss looks a hell of a lot like Carl Weathers!"

 

🤣

@johnksss is younger and more dashing than Carl. But, Carl looks good for his age.

38 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I forget, you may not watch any of his movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Weathers

I thought he looked familiar in the first picture, but did not know why I thought so. Of course, he is a lot older now, just as we all are. I didn't connect the dots until you posted the additional photos. I have seen and enjoyed the majority of his movies. Very cool that you bought it from Carl. You definitely live in the right place to rub elbows with celebrities.

7 hours ago, johnksss said:

@Mr. Fox

My new to me ride.

That's who I bought it from.

That is a fine set of wheels, bro. Bummer the other one got totaled out, but looks like a worthy replacement. 

13 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

I didn't even know about the MC warranty policy, although I generally don't hold onto hardware long enough to invest time or money into a warranty. That is crazy, even if it is store credit. This may push me to drive the hour and half to my local MC more often. 

5 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Lets see...All my money back minus the cost of warranty or ebay/offerup/craigslist/facebook market place/forum stores - where the best I can hope for is half at the current market rate then have to pay fees...hummmmm. Yeah I'll pass on that. lol

 

The warranty is so you pay a bulk price once...then every time after that you pay the upgrade cost. And in some cases there is no cost at all and you get change.

 

But! You will need to make sure your microcenter operates like that. 

I've been tempted to drive the 7 hours to Tustin Microcenter a few times. The only thing that has held me back is finding out what I wanted is gone when I get there. But, one of these days I might have Brother John grab something for me and use it as an excuse to drive over for a visit and bring him the money. I'd probably not save anything by the time I factored in the cost of gasoline, but it would be a great excuse anyway. And, I'd have that warranty in my back pocket later if I needed it.

On 2/12/2023 at 11:14 AM, ryan said:

 

LOLOL>>> 🤣 somebody, somewhere, is going to use that as an excuse to be offended... it's too crude, but funny. A generation raised to view South Park as entertainment can't genuinely be offended, but it might be an excuse for virtue signaling.

New releases from Metallica... 

And, something completely different... "lock... lock... lock her in the tower... lock" 

14 minutes ago, johnksss said:

If they get one in at MC I'm there like white on rice, but anywhere else I'm going to have to pass. Right now no ones warranty policy is better than (Some of the Microcenters) MC. And no way I'm holding on to this card for 5 years. when the 4090 Ti and 5000 series hits this card is going back at a "no loss" price.

If I had to pick something good about living in a heavily regulated place like SoCal or Chicagoland, I think it would be having a Microcenter, LOL. (No offense to people that live in those places and love it, just saying there always something you can be happy about if you try hard enough to find something to be happy about.)

Well said, @Reciever. As people that have common interests and at least a form of friendship we should be able to have some degree of expression of what and how we think. Not to the point that we derail threads, have bickering or attempt to evangelize other forum members, but freedom to speak openly without having to worry about a chip getting knocked off a person's shoulder that is looking for reasons to virtue signal and be offended. Certain groups of individuals on the web actively seek reasons to be or play offended, use that as a cloak for their intolerance and leverage to silence those who have differing perspectives. We have already seen way too much informal and self-anointed police activity attempting to squash messages and opinions that go against the "official" narrative espoused by dictators of virtual space. In real life I have lots of family and friends that do not see eye-to-eye on everything, but we do not allow that to stand in the way of being civil and enjoying the things we have in common. That should be true with our virtual friends, too. If you have no idea what someone thinks or believes, then you really don't know them. Hard to consider them a friend or care about them as a person. Diversity is one of the things that makes America great. We don't have that when there is no freedom of expression on a two-way street. What we have in that case is a totalitarian variation of mob rule, often with the "mob" being a minority that likes to cry wolf and think their own poop doesn't stink.

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Last night I was benching 3DMark profile test. And the same is true for Timespy physics testing etc. 

 

Anyways, First run on profile test and I did not even make it to the top 100 leaderboards LOL. @Mr. Fox had beaten me. I reduced my ring clock from x51 to x48 and the difference was huge. Anyone else experience this with higher ring overclocking, may provide lower physics scores and lower 3DMark Profile test scores too. I saw the same thing with 11900K, but it only happens with physics test or profile testing. 🤷‍♂️

Yes, 100%. Going too far with ring/cache ratio or too high on E-cores can lower benchmarks scores just as going too far with a GPU memory overclock can. It might not crash or throw a BSOD, but it will begin to degrade because the CPU or GPU are struggling and not operating efficiently. I have seen that numerous times. Sometimes disabling cores/threads also increases benchmark scores. It varies by benchmark. There are also some benchmarks that do not benefit as much from overclocking the CPU cores and benefit more from the system memory overclock.

On a similar note, I have found that CPU and GPU overclock setting can bench stable and run 24/7 stable, but when you try to play a game with a bunch of sloppy coding or throw an API wildcard into the mix it is no longer stable and you have to tone things down to accommodate the issue.

I think the more complex software and hardware becomes, the more wildcards we encounter that require adjustments so that everything plays nice together. I think that is also why some people are not into overclocking as much. It requires more effort and experimentation than it used to. Some people view that as a hassle.

I've noticed more often lately that DX12 games can become more glitchy at times than a game that uses an older DX API. I have seen that with system memory overclocking. You can pass all memory tests with flying colors, no errors, and everything working smoothly. But, then one day you try to play a game that uses DX12 and it doesn't work right, won't launch or something else, and lowering the system memory overclock straightens it out.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5216229_ |  https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/90141500

Well, my shunt-modded 3060 Ti FTW3 on chilled water just took 3rd place from buildzoid's 3060 Ti on LN2.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5216196_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/90137564#

20 minutes ago, johnksss said:

The picture you posted is for the Gaming Trio. Not sure if that makes a difference, but that block also looks different from mine. The picture on the box also does not look like the block inside the box.

The Gaming Trio and Suprim used to be the same waterblock part number and it was the same part number as your Microcenter listing. Now Corsair's web site has the same part number as before, which matches Microcenter, but the description on the Corsair site no longer says "Suprim" in it. If the missing phase inductors on the Trio are in that same location where the block needs to be carved out, they probably need to redesign the block so it has the recessed area where the Suprim has inductors and the Trio does not. The solder pads on the PCB are there on the Trio, but the components themselves are not.

The Alphacool Eisblock had a similar issue on the Suprim, but rather than a recessed area like the Corsair block, the cold plate was not large enough to cover the VRMs on the Suprim. The body of the cold plate stopped where the VRMs on the Trio ended and leave the additional components exposed with no cooling on the Suprim.

8 minutes ago, johnksss said:

You called it. It has fewer power stages.

 

Now i can take it to the shop and have them mill out the needed space but i'm like.....wth though.

That's very weird. The EKWB, Alphacool and Bykski blocks supposedly also fit Suprim and Trio. That almost looks like they put the wrong block inside the box or something. Are there any part numbers etched in the body that would indicate that?

Here is a link to the Corsair store page. It is definitely different than it was a week or two ago, before my Suprim died. It used to say "Suprim / Trio" and now only "Trio" but the part number is the same as before. 

 https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Custom-Cooling/Blocks/GPU-Blocks/Hydro-X-Series-XG7-RGB-40-SERIES-GPU-Water-Block/p/CX-9020021-WW

What Microcenter shows is exactly what Corsair USED TO show, but now it only says "Trio" on their web site. It never said Liquid though.
 

32 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Maybe that's it. This one says XG7 for the Suprim.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/662695/corsair-hydro-x-series-xg7-rgb-4090-suprim-trio-gpu-water-block

I thought this block was for the X as well.

I had a typo. The "G" is correct. I believe the Suprim/Suprim X (air or liquid) are the same PCB and I think the Trio is as well. The Trio has fewer power stages. I believe the only difference between the Suprim/Suprim X is the the firmware. So, it should be the correct block, but either packaged wrong (wrong block in the Suprim box) or just made wrong.

What's weird is now the Corsair site no longer lists the Suprim. It used to list the Suprim and Trio as the exact same part number. SKU CX-9020021-WW. But, now that SKU no longer says Suprim. I know this because Corsair was sending me one to do a review and it was cancelled because the GPU died.

Does it look like it is made for a entirely different GPU, or is something off by a little bit? It is hitting something like a power port for the AIO pump that the non-Liquid Surpim or Trio might not have on the PCB for the air cooled card?

Just now, johnksss said:

Well, decided to grab the Corsair water block tonight and guess what.... it doesn't fit.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

The XC7 doesn't fit the Suprim?

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

This is todays tech bro Fox. Isn't it amusing or does it sucks? Run the updater and this is what you get. On top... I have paid for this software. 3DMark Suite ain't freeware. So not much different than what you  get from Microsoft. 

 

 

 

The incompetence of the self-anointed leaders of the modern tech world that we live in is truly unlimited. Their incompetence is matched only by the inept losers that look to them for guidance. In some circumstances, it is like the blind leading the blind. In probably equal measure, it is like the blind misleading the blind. They don't know what they don't know, and their followers don't know how little they know... a technology circle jerk.

25 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Thats true but I will be restricted to whats on that platform, Workstations traditionally dont allow overclocking, and this precision (as far as I can tell) follows the trend. Should still allow for me to test hardware without inconveniencing my down time.

 

Basically have had no use for the Precision for over a year until it dawned on me that I should be able to use it for GPU benching, its the system that has a 9800X installed.

You can bench anything, and if it's something that nobody or hardly anyone else has benched, then you'll likely be at or near the top of the mountain with that hardware. It doesn't have to run well or be fast to win if the machines you're competing against are equally old and anemic.

If you look around you might even find an unlocked bios floating around on the internet for that old thing that would allow you to adjust the core clocks or the base clock and squeeze a few more megahertz out of it than others have with theirs.

Sometimes you'll even find yourself in the top 10 worldwide because there have been fewer than 10 submissions LOL. This is especially true in the case of mid-range and budget hardware that nobody ever purchased for number chasing because it wasn't capable in it's day of winning anything due to being outclassed. You can rack up a lot of hardware points benching stuff like that.

51 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

Well worst case scenario it can just be a test best of sorts and get some overclocks dialed in

If you are using a much newer CPU and chipset with an older graphics card you will automatically displace a lot of old benchmark scores that were good in their day, but the newer processor and chipset will probably result in better scores even if they are not overclocked. The improved IPC on the newer tech can often be enough to overcome the old CPU. The other thing to keep in mind is that 5 years ago it was difficult to overclock the CPU to the clock speeds that are stock clocks now. Add that increased clock speed, and potentially increased core count, to the improved IPC and it's sometimes easy to beat really old benchmark scores with the old graphics cards paired with a modern CPU. 

In some cases you can actually get higher benchmark scores with an old GPU and a very powerful modern CPU. Aquamark is one such example. 3DMark 2001 is another. They rely on the CPU more than the GPU. You may need to disable some of the cores to achieve higher scores because the old software does know how to handle them.

What's nice about that, as Brother @Papusanhas discovered, the chance that an old record holder still has those old GPUs is pretty slim. If you take the gold, chances are fairly good nobody's going to try to win back what you take from them. They might not be very happy about it, but all is fair and love and war.

46 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

https://hwbot.org/benchmark/wprime_-_32m/halloffame

 

#16 in the world...👍

 

Of the Top 20, only two are not on LN2...brother @Mr. Fox and brother @Raiderman 🤘

 

That's awesome.

40 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Wow, send it my way if you dont want it.  😄 Ive been pretty impressed with the little 6800XT. Its a pretty darn fast card.

LOL I haven't even tried it yet obviously. Like the guy on Gamer's Meld says, "time will tell"

17 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Hey guys, in terms of GPU benchmarking,  would a workstation suffice or would I lose too much points from stepping off a overclockable system?

 

The 10850k system is doing well as a DD but I dont want to tear it down for benching all the time lol, I have a precision 5820-x and was thinking of using that for tuning stuff during the week and OS pruning. I finally have an SLI cable so now I want to get back to GTX 690 SLI, GTX 280 SLI, GTX 295 etc etc

Probably not very much at all in benchmarks that do not measure processor speed and performance. Port Royal and Speedway do not assign a physics or combined score. In cases where that is measured, it will definitely matter.

41 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

Yes! That is why I am not buying a 4090. I know the 4090 TI will be coming and I've learned my lesson with the 3090. While I have A LOT of anger in my heart with AMD over the TRX40 shenanigans, I wasn't angry with them with the 6900XT getting replaced with the 6950XT. I think it due to having a 6900XT that is a 6950XT in everything but name. You also hit the nail on the head with AMD and Linux. 

 

If you are willing to pay shipping back and forth, I will let you borrow my Asrock 6900 XT with the block (I purchased the block, but I have never blocked the actual card.) for a month, so you can test things out. If you end up wanting to keep it, we can work out a fair price for both or you can simply ship it back. I really don't use it any more, it is sitting in my X570 Dark rig.

Wow, I don't know how I could refuse a free test drive like that. I will send you a PM.

23 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

Buy a cheap 6950 XT with a waterblock, get some points and sell it. You will also get to see what the Red users were using with the MorePowerTool. The downsides are you won't have a huge pool of buyers when you sell and AMD's own overclocking tool can be funky sometimes. It loves to crash when you push the card too far. 

Hmm. Maybe. I'm not sure I actually want to know what the Red users are doing. That didn't work out well for me with the 5950X abortion. But, it's probably smarter than flushing money down the toilet on a 7900 XTX. At least I'd be able to keep using Windows 7, and the Red pill is the better option on Linux from what I hear.

I'd be lying if I did not admit to having curiosity, even though my appetite for risk is very low. Still, the thought of rolling the dice on a Red product makes me feel ill. The last time Team Red had a product that I actually liked, and didn't regret buying, was close to 15 years ago (Radeon HD 5870) and it was made by ATi, not AMD.

On the other hand, I also know the next stop on the Green Goblin's "Via Dolorosa" is 4090 Ti. That will be out before the ink on any money spent on 4090 has had time to dry.

Lots to think about. Taking time to think is smart. Thanks for the suggestion, brother.

34 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

You could always do what @Papusandoes and bench older cards. I think you will have more fun than you think. It'll also get some points for our team 😉

I'd like to start benching those old Arrandale/Clarksfield chips but that darn motherboard I have is essentially a paperweight. Maybe I can find a way to brute force a higher BCLK speed, or a cheap old M17x... I'll accomplish it one day

I've seriously considered that, and Brother @johnkssshas suggested it many times. He does it, too. But, I will be the first to admit that I am a real weirdo and don't really like doing retro tech. I don't know why, but it just doesn't make me happy. Even if I gained a lot of points on HWBOT like Brother @Papusanhas, I wouldn't be content with that. It's probably related to my all or nothing, onward and upward/go big or go home character flaw. Under any other circumstances it would be a good idea. If I spend a $200-$300 buying antique GPUs for HWBOT points and shortly thereafter waste money on a 4090, then I am just wasting even more money. Plus, I'm not nearly as excited about HWBOT as I used to be because of all the idiotic politics.

I also thought about saving $800 and grabbing a 7900 XTX for a benching toy, but after I look at the results there is nothing to be gained over my 3090 KPE. I'd be buying a weaker part of unproven quality, that sucks at ray tracing and one that most people don't want. (Top 10 scores for 7900 XTX are lower than my 3090 KPE scores in Time Spy, Port Royal, 3DMark 11, etc.)

That's why I think doing nothing for a bit and reflecting on things before letting my passion lead me down another rabbit hole is probably a good idea.