Mr. Fox

Interesting. Looks like the Strix 4090 may have a production flaw. The second video is the demonstration of the repair discussed in Roman's video. Got to love ASUS and their high pricing and low quality. Status quo for them.

6 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

 

It is not a lower binned silicon it's a die-cut, as 7900XTX is a full Navi 31 silicon and 7900XT is cut, the MCDs are reduced on the 7900XT, it has less Infinity Cache basically. And lower VRAM + Bus. Plus the Shader cores (CUs) are also cut.  I think it should have been called as 7900 not XT.

Yikes, so only $100 less than XTX makes it a severely overpriced downgrade. That smells a lot like an AMD version of an overpriced 4070 that used to be called 4080 scam. I don't know why anyone would want it if it is only $100 less. Should be at least $300 less.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hi. Yep, not the best memory. I think I max out at 1300. Very fun when you buy the most expensive high end and risk get bin quality lower than the cheapest vanilla 4090's at $1600. Yep very disappointing that the QC - the bin job is done so badly. I'm not even sure they put much work into binning the Gpu. Nice look over everything else. 

 

Not sure what I will do forwards. Not much time for testing now but we'll see what I will do. But a very nice card. All I know... If I go back to air cooled card I will save money and time... I don't need to re-do my whole loop. And it will be faster swap out to other cards as well.

Can you return it as defective or get in-store credit for a different GPU? If the memory overclock is that limited on what one would think is their best model, it is defective. They should save the crummy memory chips for the less expensive cards and stop screwing the customers that spend the most.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

One thing I don't like with many of the GPUs is the nicely done cut out on top of the back plate. A big chance that condensation water can drip straight into the graphics card if you run the Cpu coold and forgot to protect it. 

I absolutely hate it. I think it looks like pure crap. A solid backplate with only screw holes is the proper approach. I had not thought about it exposing the GPU to hazards. No only water... what about a screw or washer falling in there and causing a short? So, it is both ugly and stupid. 

More glorious fallout from the woke Twatter echo chamber getting its pants pulled down, LOL.

22 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Apparently MS has lengthened ESU on windows 7 for another 3 years. Too bad they have strong armed OEM's into dropping driver support. I really dislike microsoft. I wish I could just switch to linux also. Its been a few years since Ive researched any distro's.

 

 

It is diabolical, and they are a very evil company. They are in the same league as crApple and Satan, and worthy of damnation. I know it would make things difficult for many people, but I would really love to see crApple and Micro$lop both die and go out of business in 2023.

I love Linux. It's limitations are difficult, and the newer your hardware is, the less likely things are going to work correctly. When everything works correctly it is stinking awesome. I would really love to see Linux commercialized for consumers with the sames level of driver development and software support everyone received from the Redmond Retards, minus all of the draconian control freak nonsense.

For those interested in Team Red unboxing videos. I don't get why there is a 7900 XT. I am guessing the real story is they are poorly binned 7900 XTX for ~$100 less if you are willing to live with an inferior silicon sample. If I were going to buy one of these I would find the idea of saving $100 (a few pennies per day for a year) and getting an inferior GPU on purpose kind of absurd.

1 minute ago, Clamibot said:

@Mr. Fox Wanna buy an EVGA RTX 4090 prototype for $13K?🤣

 

EVGA is selling off the rest of their RTX 4090 engineering samples that weren't given to youtubers: https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-is-auctioning-off-its-geforce-rtx-4090-prototype-for-charity

Maybe for 13,000 dimes, but not dollars. About $1300 is all I believe any graphics card is worth. If you have to pay more than $100 a month before the product becomes absolete it is a really horrible value.

3 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Yes comparing a not yet released product vs scalper 3rd party resellers is a BIG difference. Don't you worry though, the AMD product is going to be in short supply and will be scalped as well. Low supply has already been basically leaked/confirmed and I'm willing to bet we see plenty of $1500+ XTX models very soon. 

I would be SHOCKED if that did not happen. It is almost guaranteed and taken for granted. Scalpers may be one of the few sources available and I expect they will try to match 4090 prices. I doubt anyone will be able to buy an AMD card for anywhere close to MSRP unless they are in a town with a Microcenter. Screwing the public is one of the value-added services they are happy to provide at no additional charge.

31 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Thats a huge difference, I wonder if AMD will supply Windows 7 drivers?

 

 

This is a little scary though!

https://www.techspot.com/news/96900-amazon-refused-refund-customer-who-received-putty-filled.html

Not likely. If they did I might be receptive to giving AMD one more chance to prove they deserve my patronage. That failure, specifically, played a part in my decision to drop the Arc A770 out of my shopping cart. I am trying to decide now whether to bite the bullet on the idea of Mr. Fox dropping all Windows support and just sucking it up and living with Linux and its shortcomings. I could keep it on a small NVMe on my work computer for work, but just stop using it altogether for everything else. I am not having a good time with Linux misbehaving on my ASUS board though. Seems like ASUS might be too sexually involved with the Redmond Retards.

8 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Haha, I actually still have it collecting dust in the storage shed out back. Ive tried to sell that behemoth a couple times, and tried to give it away too 😉 I cannot reply in that thread, there must be a post count minimum. If you reply to him tell him its a DG-86,

I posted a photo and asked if he is still looking for one. You could send him a PM.  I still love that case and if he doesn't want it then I may take you up on your old offer. I have more desk space than when you offered it to me and now I can accommodate it.

Looks like we have the same Logi speakers.

7 hours ago, Raiderman said:

On a side note, I see the Egg (via Micron tech store) has the 3 year old Radeon VII for a measly $2450. When I bought it, I think it was $1200. Are video cards like an investment now? Do they go up in price the older they get...:)

Nice looking rig. 👍I don't know if computer parts could truly be considered an investment. I think the true problem is the people selling them are greedier than ever and the people buying them are dumber than they used to be. But, it is kind of a sick (as in demented, not "cool" LOL) benefit to be able to prosper  off of the idiocy of the general population. Lord knows their idiocy causes more than enough problems in other areas of life.

@Raidermando you still have that old EVGA case?

If so... https://forums.evga.com/Anyone-have-a-FF-EVGA-DG87-or-86-Case-for-sale-m3582069.aspx

No sure if yours is what this guy is looking for or not.

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

Corsair Vengeance Airflow lasted but a few weeks before the fan started rattling... Hoping the Corsair PSU endures rather longer!

Small fans like those used for it frequently fail swiftly. I am not sure why they are generally unreliable, but they usually last me 3 to 9 months regardless of how much or how little I pay for them. Quality seems poor at all price points.

I love it when an evil plan gets its pants pulled down.

Just now, Etern4l said:

 

3....2....1.... ON AIR

 

 

LOL, that one looks like Mr. Torvalds is picking his nose.

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I make all my GPUs smaller by installing a waterblock. 4090 is actually a freakishly small GPU. Only the heatsinks are massive.

LOL... good illustration of my comment. Just stumbled upon it by accident.

12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

And to think I was thinking the 7900xtx was going to be a monster of a GPU based on early rumors and leaks  lol....silly me. 🤣

 

 

 

Everyone had good reason to believe 7900 XTX would be a game-changer and the performance crown contender based on all of the overhyped crap marketing baloney. You weren't silly at all. You just heard the same nonsense that the rest of us did, and who doesn't want to believe good news. There is so little of it lately, it is natural and good to have optimism. If we lose hope, there is nothing left. We live in a world where good reasons to have hope are becoming rare. So, our take-away is don't believe anything we hear. Believe what we see and act on fact. But, we should never lose hope that the good things we hear won't be a load of crap after the fat lady sings. That doesn't solve the problem of criminal pricing.

17 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

I'm really confused by this. Techpowerup specs claim both cards are 61mm/3slot, whereas on this video the 3090ti appears to be thinner:

 

It certainly looks that way to me as well. I am not convinced that statement is accurate. If it is, then it is a bizarre optical illusion.

The Helios is a nice really looking case. It's fairly large, but still too small to be useful for me. Especially the limited clearance above the motherboard. Not sure why case manufacturers think it is cute to make that space so cramped. It is really stupid. You should have ample clearance to put a really fat radiator with push/pull fans in that space without any difficulty or feeling of being cramped.

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Oh dear, but fair enough. I didn't realise it was so bad. Having never owned an AMD component, I'm in no position to argue. Just hoping Team Red can improve as the competition they provide is sorely needed. 

I honestly value the fact that AMD has brought competition to NVIDIA. I am grateful for it and agree it is sorely needed. I just don't personally have enough confidence that I would be content enough with the outcome to show any appreciation financially.

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

BTW Am I reading this right? 3090 Ti FE is about the same width (or height, depending on how you look at it) as the 4090? About 138mm.

I am not sure. It is not something I pay attention to. I don't mind massive parts, but I make all my GPUs smaller by installing a waterblock. 4090 is actually a freakishly small GPU. Only the heatsinks are massive.

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

The 13900K is an absolutely monstrous upgrade - I mean +30-40% multicore performance improvement over the 12900KS is insane, but obviously only worth it if the current CPU gets maxed out by whatever it's used for. 

I really like the 13900K a lot. I might even go as far to say, my favorite CPU so far. X299 HEDT was awesome and so was 129000K/KS, but not as good as 13900K.

I wish my silicon sample was just a tad better, but it is not terrible and it is a very good, and powerful, processor. I wish all of the E-cores were P-cores, but that does not diminish the fact that it is an excellent product.

52 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

And yet, you've declared willingness to try Intel ARC? Surely that's less mature and stable. Perhaps you are not risk-averse, but are a little biased? Not saying that for no historical reason at all. Guess let's wait until Tuesday to see what they say about the 7900XTX. We can post funny Linus videos all day, but the only way to really say "FU" to Nvidia is by not giving them any money.

Yes, because I had a really miserable history of multiple defective AMD GPUs, or AMD GPUs that stopped functioning in a year or less, had horrible driver support and totally sucked at overclocking. That's why. Conversely, Intel has never failed me in the grand ways that AMD has more than a dozen times. I am less worried about something turning out wrong and never being resolved with Intel than I am AMD. They may be better now, but I am extremely skeptical, and my recent miserable experience with 5950X/X570 reinforced the basis of my skepticism hadn't changed with time. The idea of giving them another chance is extremely difficult for me. Given their track record of producing unreliable products, I basically have no apetite for risk or forgiveness with them if there is a monetary cost associated with it. I would be more than happy to if I didn't have to use any of my money for that experimental journey. Maybe if I lived in an area with a Microcenter, I would throw caution to the wind and get all of my money back, no questions asked, if I didn't like it.

Taking a chance on a $350 GPU is also very different than a $1000~ GPU, regardless of who made it.

6 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

I guess it must be RT performance worries, or DLSS3, otherwise the 7900XTX destroys the 3090Ti on raw specs while being much more compact:

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-xtx.c3941

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3090-ti.c3829

 

 

Maybe. Certainly a reason to avoid AMD if you care about ray tracing, especially. For me, and probably others who have had similar experiences, it is a lack of confidence in AMD products to function well, an abbreviated lifespan, and garbage drivers. I have had severe reliability issues with AMD GPUs and the notion of rolling the dice to see if they've got something good to offer is very unsettling. I've had more misery with defective and unreliable AMD GPUs than any other technology-related experience. If I could get one for free so that I didn't have to use my own money for an experiment, I might end up changing my mind and become less risk-averse. But, I am not a gambler and don't want to risk my money on something that I have good reason to expect (based on past experience) will provide a less than satisfying ownership experience.

16 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Quick question: how can Nvidia continue to charge $1100 for a 3090Ti, if a 24GB 7900XTX will retail for $999?

 

https://store.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/store/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-us&category=GPU,DESKTOP

Because people will continue to pay it. There are many people that will not purchase a GPU from AMD and will pay more for something from NVIDIA. The Green Goblin knows that and they are willing to take advantage of those people... because they are bad people that make good products.

16 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

BTW 4090 FE not in stock in the US either..... What a joke.

And, 4090 FE probably will remain largely unavailable until they sell off most of their obsolete overpriced product to the suckers willing to overpay for obsolete products. Nothing wrong with the product, or with being obsolete. Both of those things are fine, but paying an inflated price for an obsolete product takes both a shyster and a sucker. As they say, "it takes two to tango" LOL.

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

Forgot to tell. I talked with my wife the day before about looking for a new card. I brought it up this spring with her... I skrapped the idea go with 3090 (Ti) because of soon EOL status. Why buy a 3090 in May when you know new cards was out in the fall? Ok

 

I went in bed.... Late as usual. My wife was earlier up. She kkow wht card I looked on. I woke up, checked mail and internet. In my inbox... Confirmed order on the MSI card 🙂 Yep, she wasn't home.

 

The day she bought the card without I know it... Dec 7. This date is the date we become a couple. 32 years ago. 7th Dec 1990🙂 What a nice wife 🙂

A good wife is the most precious gift life can offer a man. 

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

Edit. Is this meant as a Joke for the U.S citizens? This is awful if correct and 800$ more than here home with all added taxes. 

It is, without a doubt, beyond absurd and totally dishonest. However, that is a NewEgg Marketplace seller. They are not all bad, but many are dishonest, shady scalpers. If you buy something on NewEgg, the only way to avoid getting screwed on price or otherwise defrauded is to only buy items "sold and shipped by NewEgg" and I filter everything that way. That is starting to be a more common issue with Amazon as well. Anything that is not "Prime" and coming from Amazon is usually grossly overpriced. That is not the "normal" price in the US. The normal price is retarded, but not "as retarded" as that. 

I not particularly fond of crypto in general, but setting that aside, I do like how he thinks in the context of that video. While I do not care to label myself, I do agree with a great deal of what is found in a Libertarian view. There is probably not an accurate label that I can identify with because I am like a Heinz 57 cocktail, with a "live justly, show love and have mercy" anarchist core. So, the view that governmental power should be extremely limited, agenda-neutral and influence-free (law enforcement and military power focused) and almost entirely subservient to the national citizenry is spot on IMHO.

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

With more people like him in the field, crypto might stand a chance to achieve something good, as opposed to lining the pockets of SBFs of this world.

That is one of the major reasons why. It is not as undesirable as ESG investing, but there is also that "something from nothing" ex nihilo element coincidental to the mining craze that just doesn't set well with me.  I generally hold a belief that money should only be earned, inherited or received as a gift.

Smart fellow. I like him based on his video. I had never heard of him before. His truth is common sense, which is something the world we live in is sorely lacking. People don't think. It's too hard and if they did it might require that they change what they believe, or admit they have been wrong. It is easier to let someone else think for them and continue believing illogical nonsense because it's popular with the idiots they want to identify with on Facepoot or Twatter.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

If Win7 compliance is a must it is going to continue to be a rough road ahead I'm afraid. 😞

Intel has clearly forged a forward thinking path shedding a lot of previous compatibility as has Nvidia. I'm unsure what AMD's status is in regards to Win7.

 

I see it as most companies eventually EOL support for legacy OSes especially with newer products but also the fact as you mention, "garbage as a service" model is changing what an OS is and what it provides in a detrimental way.

My interest in Linux has never been as great as it is now. I hate feeling forced into choosing the lesser of two evils. Linux is a fantastic option in a myriad of way, and a truly horrible option in a few ways. Windows 7 going EOL is unavoidable. I wouldn't be as upset about it except for all of the deception and strong-arm Nazi crap they have stooped to in an effort to force adoption of the new garbage OS. I mean, blatant lies about things such as compatibility and functionality that have been deliberately crafted to deceive and mislead the public. Adjustable Bar, SpeedShift, UEFI support, DX12... an endless list of bald-faced lies and bullshit from abject losers that make no apologies for their nefarious behavior. It makes it difficult to not hope for tragedy to utterly destroy the Redmond Retards and collapse their Empire of Filth and Mediocrity. God forbid that they would ever actually care about what is good for, or desired by, the users of their products. They are not worthy of any of us being users of their products garbage.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Thanks bro Fox. The Tax hell here is real. Read this and I think you'll feel very bad. I do. I'm a cigar smoker and the Norwegain Government will take away my chance to buy cigars/smoke at half price  in Sveden. They will cut down what I can take with me over the border.... Norwegian Special.

 

Still waiting for new tobacco rules: - Preparing for and running out

 

In short...

 

The tobacco quota in the state budget
The proposal in the state budget is to halve the tobacco quota from 250 grams to 125 grams, and cigarettes from 200 to 100.
While today, for example, you can buy 15 boxes of snuff (16 grams each), the Støre government's bill means that from next year it will only be allowed to take seven and a half boxes with you.
The rules will not apply to anyone other than Norwegians living in Norway. Tourists will still be able to bring the current quota – 200 cigarettes or 250 grams of tobacco – into the country.

 

And Norway is flooded with money, gas ad oil. But the people have hard time live here. The government hate us.

Yeah, that is really bad. One of the most beautiful places on earth governed by evil and criminally insane socialists. I wish you and your entire family could relocate to the United States and leave them to drown in their own feces. It is weird how the corrupt and insane members of society seem to have a way of ruining the world's most beautiful places. I see that trend here is the States as well. I live in an ugly place now because the gorgeous places where I used to live, for many years, are controlled by depraved lunatics.

@Papusanisn't it shameful how so many of these irrational nutjobs that want to demonize, penalize and outlaw tobacco use are simultaneously pushing to legalize drugs (to generate revenue for the government, no doubt) and provide needles and other paraphernalia,  normalize immorality, pay for genocide with taxpayer money,  rewrite history, ignore constitutional law, create division and racial strife, destroy the traditional family and brainwash our children to advance their agenda? They represent their agenda, not the people that pay for their excessive and undeserved wages.

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Me ordering MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X.

Yikes! SO MUCH money. Looks like the pre-tax price in your area is precisely equal in absurdity as the prices are here. At least $1,000 more than what it is worth. I am both jealous and not jealous at the same time. Congratulations. You have waited a long time for a GPU upgrade.