Mr. Fox

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I was hoping it was a monster sample or at least reached the levels of your Suprim 4090. Hows the coil whine on it? I'm always curious.

None that I can detect.

I am praying it dies very soon and has to be replaced, and that the replacement won't be worse. I am going to run the dog crap out of it to see if I can kill it. I've never hoped a piece of hardware I purchased would die under warranty, but ASUS needs to stop selling broken trash. This is NOT an enthusiast product. It's another pile of crap they sell to enthusiasts like everything else they sell to them. They need to get out of the business if this is an example of their top shelf feces. It was super stupid of me to expect anything different from their loser organization.

On 2/13/2023 at 5:01 PM, Mr. Fox said:

It's going to be interesting to find out how high this sucker will clock on a chilled water block. Getting "hot" it's still averaging 3126MHz on core, LOL. I am going to have to try more than +1600 on memory, too. Maybe it will do +1700 or more.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/89118436

 

^^^Better product^^^

19 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, so far, so good. I just installed it a few minutes ago. Memory issues ruled out (job #1) from what I can see. Don't know how far the OC will go on core or memory yet. Hoping a Corsair GPU block will be enroute soon. Haven't peeled any of the plastic off yet.

 

The only thing I am puzzled about is the OC vBIOS still allows the fans to turn off at idle. So, I am manually setting them because I do not want the fans to ever turn off for any reason. Things get warm at idle without fans running, and I don't need silence.

 

I spoke too soon. Crappy silicon for an extra $200. Thanks, ASUS. Should have waited for another Suprim X. I hope it dies under warranty so I can try my luck in the silicon lottery over again. Memory maxes out between +1350 and +1400. Suprim X had no issues with +1600.  I can't match any of my Suprim X 3DMark scores, so it is as worthless to me as tits on a boar.

Left a pretty ugly 3-egg review for ASUS. My fault for choosing ASUS... again. 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

That is such a nice GPU! These cards are actually obtainable now! It is tempting. I think if I did buy one, I would maybe grab an FE right on Nvidia.com for $1,599. What made you decide to get a Strix 4090 instead of the other models?

Thank you. It is a nice GPU, but I actually think the Suprim is nicer looking. My preference was the Suprim, but Amazon could not exchange the one that failed (no stock). It really sucks because the one that died was a superior silicon sample. Core and memory both overclocked really well. I think better than this Strix, but I haven't spent enough time with the Strix yet to know for certain. Now that I wasted $200 extra on the Strix, the Suprim is available at NewEgg. The best 4090 GPUs are Galax HOF, Suprim, Strix and FE (in that exact order). Everything else has weaker power delivery and compromises. The Zotac AMP AIRO is actually really decent, but anything else is underbuilt and probably isn't suitable for severe overclocking.

Here is the info: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1461611-rtx-4090-vrm-meta-analysis-and-feaib-comparison/

Well, so far, so good. I just installed it a few minutes ago. Memory issues ruled out (job #1) from what I can see. Don't know how far the OC will go on core or memory yet. Hoping a Corsair GPU block will be enroute soon. Haven't peeled any of the plastic off yet.

The only thing I am puzzled about is the OC vBIOS still allows the fans to turn off at idle. So, I am manually setting them because I do not want the fans to ever turn off for any reason. Things get warm at idle without fans running, and I don't need silence.

23 minutes ago, Steerpike said:

We can agree that they are incompetent, missing the boat, losing business; but to suggest they have motivations other than profit just doesn't make sense. 

When the motivation make money to the exclusion of doing what is best and right for the people they collect that money from becomes evident, I think it is appropriate to regard that behavior as evil, wicked, self-serving and a totalitarian approach to business. Maybe some will disagree, and that's fine. I appreciate not having to deal with idiotic woke censorship in this pure tech forum. The world around us is crumbling because of it. I'm not concerned about people looking for reason to claim offense to word choices they don't like or other forms of virtue signaling and left-leaning political correctness. That's just what they do.

16 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I wish It was a penguin chiller I had instead, which I may go that route. Those are setup like window A/C units. You put it in your window, and install the 1” to 1/4” brass adapters and you are good to go. All of the heat, and even half of the noise go outside of the home. 
 

 

I have considered running a duct right off of my coil and out of the window or even cut a whole in the floor and install a new vent just for hot air to go in to the crawl space. But, it wouldn’t be very pretty. 

That would be really nice, but a window-mounted chiller would not work for me. It would be perfect it if would. My office window is designed in a way it would not work. I would have to replace the window with a different type. Plus, it is visible from the street and my HOA would go berserk and fine me if I had something visible from the street like that. Since you are kind of out in the boondocks, you probably don't have to care about an HOA or obey special rules like that.

@tps3443we should start using high output pumps like these (which is what @johnksssis using last time I saw his setup) instead of weak computer pumps. The cheapest one is about 4 or 5 times more volume than a D5 pump. https://www.penguinchillers.com/product/danner-water-pumps/

These Penguin chillers are really nice and would be a good way to go. It is not as big as I thought. Maybe I could fit one in my office window and hide it behind a shrubbery.

https://www.penguinchillers.com/

I am not sure how Brother @tps3443does his, but I have Koolance QDC filling that allow me to disconnect the radiator and route the water through the chiller only and all three D5 pumps, simply bypassing the radiator. It can be changed in a matter of about 5 or 10 seconds.

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11 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t use a radiator. Chiller only. Daily water temp is always set to 15C for 24/7/365 year round usage. 
 

Power usage isn’t even that high on the chiller honestly. When it first powers on, it may hit 340 watts for a split second. The power meter barely registers it on screen, and then it settles down to 220 watt sustained while it runs. I know guys with water cooling loops that put out more power running (50+) fans LOL.

There you go ^^^ We replied at exactly the same time, LOL.

I do not run my chiller all of the time because it is too hot in my office already, even with my central AC running 24/7. The chiller is always connected and adds additional water capacity (very beneficial) but I only turn the chiller on when benching. Otherwise the heat is unbearable. When my thermostat is set to 70°F my office is usually 75°F and the rest of the house is chilly. If the chiller is running, it heats my office up to 80°F or higher during the summer.

20 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Get out lol 

What's the wattage of your chiller? 2kW or something? What's the coolant temp? 

If you bypass the radiator it will get the water at or below 0°C if you wait long enough. The radiator being in the loop actually "heats" the chilled water.

@Papusanhere is your new target for a fellow 4090 HOF owner. I am sure Rauf will appreciate it when the Snowman takes his gold. Especially since you paid for your stuff with your own money.

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/223660-rauf-geforce-rtx-4090-34951515mhz-21825-marks-3dmark-time-spy-extreme/

1 hour ago, ryan said:

I guess so yeah I thought you guys were saying the 4090 laptop was a joke because its bga and therefore a waste of money. but hey happens.

 

I think its a great deal if you keep it for 5 years, otherwise its a easy pass. as for the small desktop not good you need space

It is a joke, but we moved on past that.
Yeah, click that link and you'll see what scam we are talking about. Total ripoff. 14:27

1 hour ago, ryan said:

damn. I noticed your core clock stays steady...might seem rook but how did you do that? do you need a special vbios

No, you need a desktop that doesn't get hotter by the second while you are using it.

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

nvidia joking with their customers. I expect people accept being scammed...  14:27

1 hour ago, ryan said:

oh you 2

 

@tps3443 was just saying its a good deal performance wise....can you build me a 3090ti desktop screen and all for 2800? probably not and if it has a 1440p screen id be suprised...but hey you guys are the experts and im following suite

I think you misunderstood what we were talking about. We were not talking about that Clevo from Cyberpower that @tps3443mentioned.

Besides that garbage MSI desktop joke, I was commenting about the scam in the video. See the link 14:27

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Alienware have got competition. Who offer the best build quality...

That is truly horrible. Straight out of the Alienware playbook:

• Beyond absurdly insane overpricing
• Extremely ugly aesthetically
• Tacky gimmicks (the stupid touch panel)
• Compromised components
• Includes proprietary garbage
• Castrated firmware

Yes, it is sad to think it could be true, there actually are people dumb enough to pay $5000 for this piece of junk. I can't decide which one is the ugliest to look at.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Btw. This is what Nvidia offer the Laptop jockey's. New hardware features. Almost as Microsoft toying with Windows Moment", LOOL

 

RTX 4000 mobile series officially released.

Papusan replied to VEGGIM's topic in Tech News

 

nvidia joking with their customers. I expect people accept being scammed...  14:27

That truly is a scam. It will go unpuniished because there are peoplle that spend money on it. Same problem as above... ignorant consumer, dishonest tech company.

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Dell Precision turdbook I have handles what I need it to, and it's built like a tank. All metal and carbon fiber... super heavy, nice 17-inch IPS screen, and a total breeze to work on. It reminds me of when Alienware made good laptops. The Quadro P5000 16GB GPU is MXM, but the CPU is a chintzy BGA abortion. It has 4 DDR4 slots, 2 NVMe and a 2.5 inch drive bay (all filled) and I bought it as an off-lease grade A refurb for a little under $500. It is worth more to me for the reason that I have it and a much more sensible option financially than a crappy thin and light, thermal throttled, scortched earth, disposable gamerboy piece of garbage.

Speaking of this critter I call Halfbreed, I replaced the lid and palmrest last weekend with new ones from PartsPeople. Aside from the BGA CPU engineering defect, the rest of it is a really good product. Much better than the newest trashbooks.

I don't really see a thread where this would fit, so I will put this here since it relates to the same model. I replaced the lid and palmrest last weekend with new ones from PartsPeople. Since it is a full teardown, it might be useful to someone wanting to upgrade their GPU. I think Brother @Recieveris going to enjoy some of the elevator music choices I selected.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

You need a specifid USB to flash bios. New modern USB sticks has to be better, LOOL 

 

The new and modern just follow the trend, HaHa

 

EVGA BIOS Update USB Stick Issues - Flashing Corrupted BIOS on Z790 DARK KINGPIN

Yes, this was true on my Unify-X, Z490 Dark, also on my Z690 Dark and both Strix Z690 motherboards. The USB flashback function has only worked for me with my two oldest USB 2.0 flash drives. All others fail. The newer USB 2.0 and all USB 3.X drives I have tried either cannot be read from the beginning, or the flash fails partway through the process. I also find it to work consistently with those two old USB 2.0 flash drives formatted at FAT16 (FAT). Sometimes detecting  and reading files from FAT32 does not work on the first try.

As usual, newer is always better newer.

Shunt modding helped my 2080 Ti FTW3 even with the 2000W vBIOS because it reported half of the actual power utlization (basically lied) and that allowed me to eek more voltage out of it and a higher overclock. I was able to increase the maximum voltage and the boost voltage automatically went higher than it would before shunt modding.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah but, how is nvidia gonna put a 450-600+ watt 4090 inside of a laptop?

It is possible, and I used as many as three 330W AC adapters with dual 200W 980 Mobile GPUs in SLI running inside of a Clevo with a desktop CPU. But, definitely not possible in the modern babygirl turdbooks they are churning out now like digital diarrhea . 

2 hours ago, Steerpike said:

Maybe it's just me, but - I spend a fair amount of time 'on the internet' and I really, really wish I could visit a tech forum, or a car forum, or a food forum, without seeing accusations like 'Nazi' being bandied about.  I was reading about some car feature yesterday, and one guy managed to slip in a reference to 'plandemic'.  I really wish such discussions could be constrained within the myriad of political forums.  The minute I read 'Nazi' or 'Plandemic' or whatever, I write off the author and the post. 

It's unfortunate that you're overly sensitive about the use of hyperbole to convey disdain and contempt because people that use hyperbole and metaphoric speech to communicate are not going to stop doing so. It's kind of weird in light of how common it is in a debase culture that non-chalantly uses truly vulgar language, often extreme, in casual conversation, motion picture and music entertainment, which is far more inappropriate and offensive, and not even fitting the context in many cases. Yet, that's OK but using Nazi in place of "[insert vulgar expletive] control freak" is not. Seems so odd.

6 hours ago, Steerpike said:

There's one positive thing I will observe as 'Windows' has gone from 95 to 98 to 2000 to XP to Vista to 7 to 8.1 to 10 to 11 - ever increasing stability.  I remember when BSODs (and similar) were daily occurrences.  Even in the hallowed '7', there were plenty of BSODs, crashes, hangups.  My last set of '10' machines were very stable, and so far, my two new '11' machines have been rock-solid; maybe 1 'stability' issue in almost a year. That is undeniably progress. 

 

I don't care for the UI changes in '11', and I don't consider them 'progress', but I also don't consider them to be major problems (not in the way '8' was a disaster). '8' was, quite literally, unusable for non-touch users (with it's touch-focused UI). 

To some extent this is subjective, but I agree that the atrocity of the Windoze 8.X GUI has been unmatched. I find the Winduhz 11 GUI also disgusting, a downgrade from Windowz 10, but nowhere nearly as unacceptable as 8.X.

6 hours ago, Steerpike said:

Remember, many of us are using W11 because it came pre-installed on a brand-new laptop. We aren't directly paying MS anything - the machine vendor (in my case, LG) paid MS for the OEM version and I had no choice (and MS would have gotten the same OEM fee whether LG installed 10 or 11).  As an 'end user' without access to MS versions (used to, as an IT guy, but no longer as I'm retired/self-employed), it would be extremely hard, and not to mention risky, to try to 'downgrade' to W10 LTSC (driver issues, etc). 

 

I would never have 'upgraded' to W11, but now that I'm stuck with it I'm making the best of it. 

I suspect most consumers are stuck, if for no reason than a lack of technical know-how. Cost isn't a real excuse, because you can get a Windowz 10 Pro key for $20 or less and download the ISO for free from Micro$lop and a variety of third-party servers. The technical know-how is the only real issue, and it's a big deal for most consumers.

6 hours ago, Steerpike said:

So 'keeping things in perspective', to you, means suggesting that MS deliberately makes upgrades harder to make it 'elusively desirable'? That some high-ranking executive gains pleasure from seeing customers have problems?  That's you having 'perspective'? 

Yup, pretty much. They're Nazis and have adopted the crApple control freak approach to everything. They believe that consumers are just sheeple that are too stupid to know what's best, so they will decide for us all, and they take steps to attempt to limit the freedom of individuals to make their own decisions.

19 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

That’s something there too. See, I have not owned a laptop in some years now. Wow it has been almost 5 years. I moved back to desktop in 2018, but I had a real DTR gaming laptop that was not a BGA. But, maybe  all of the pains with limited cooling and BGA have faded away. Kinda like child birth for a women lol. 
 

I could very well hate that $2,800 dollar RTX4090 machine with a passion. 
 

But this is a good point. So, maybe it really does suck. 
 

I’m sure @Mr. Fox and @Papusan are right lol. 

Yeah, I pretty much washed my hands of laptops for anything other than overnight travel computing needs around 2015-16. The Dell Precision turdbook I have handles what I need it to, and it's built like a tank. All metal and carbon fiber... super heavy, nice 17-inch IPS screen, and a total breeze to work on. It reminds me of when Alienware made good laptops. The Quadro P5000 16GB GPU is MXM, but the CPU is a chintzy BGA abortion. It has 4 DDR4 slots, 2 NVMe and a 2.5 inch drive bay (all filled) and I bought it as an off-lease grade A refurb for a little under $500. It is worth more to me for the reason that I have it and a much more sensible option financially than a crappy thin and light, thermal throttled, scortched earth, disposable gamerboy piece of garbage. I don't love it, but I don't hate it like I would a $2800 turdbook that I know would leave me with nothing but regret for having wasted $2800. For $500, I'm very happy. The $2300 saved can be used for something that is actually good or special.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah, well a water cooled 4090 laptop for $2,950 is not bad though. I imagine that would help with a lot of the issues that laptops have. 
 

Remember, this is a laptop and not a desktop. Maybe there are limitations that apply to it because it’s a “Laptop” and it is not exactly a design flaw. 
 

I cannot tow a car with my motorcycle,  so it doesn’t mean it’s a piece of crap with design flaws. It is just limitations of being a motorcycle. 
 

The 4090 Laptop is going to have lots of short comings, that a desktop 4090 cannot do. However, it’s $2,800 bucks for the fastest mobile performance available right now. It will work as intended running games perfectly fine. 
 

 

It was difficult to buy a GTX1080 laptop for $2,800 years ago. So, this is nice to see pricing so affordable for top tier 4090 mobile. 

That part that gets too easily forgotten is that the industry is only making the excuse for BGA "because it is a laptop" is nothing more than a hot and steamy crock filled with feces. It is a deliberate design to enrich sales revenue, limit repairability, shorten usable lifespan, drive repeat sales and a totally necessary engineering compromise. So, yeah, it's a laptop and will have laptop limitations. Making it a BGA laptop just adds compromise on top of compromise, all of which are geared toward screwing the end user and making more money for the sellers of BGA filth. Laptops are a whole lot worse than they need to be, and they don't all need to be compromised. But they are now.

46 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, its only $2,800 USD. And I don't like throw my hard earned money down the drain. Good luck bring with you that cooler box safe on a plane. Maybe ask your side man  hold the box while you start play games. It's a laptop, LOOL

 

And I would never ever throw away my money on desktop box that let me have internal cramped space almost as a laptop. 

 

Too funny. I literally just watched that video like an hour ago. Compromise sucks on desktops, too.  That build was far too complicated because the case is not designed to contain a robust system and is just too small to build anything great or remarkable. I can't identify anything nice to say about cramped workspaces. Things should be as big as they need to be, plus a little extra, if you expect it to turn out the way you want it to, rather than the way someone else expects it to.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’m sure it has potential. It’s only $2,800 bucks. Everyone is offended over this machine lol. Dang! 

I wouldn't go that far. Offended is probably not the right word. Unimpressed and disappointed, and disinterested with the options in general, yes... for sure. 

It is still going to have all of the inherent problems, limitations and engineering defects associated with the fact that it is a BGA turdbook. Performing better because it is a newer hardware generation is expected and required as the price of admission, but that is not a good enough excuse to embrace the filth any more than it never has been in the past. Garbage is garbage no matter how you slice it.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

It seems Microsoft go over dead bodies to try help their partners. 

 

And who is the fool's bro @Mr. Fox? The crying babies or Microsoft? None say he or others has to install the latest and bugged. Just go back to Win 10 and enjoy your pc. 

 

 

Windows 11 Watermark Showing Up On Unsupported Systems

Microsoft implements plan to annoy users into upgrading PCs (or downgrading Windows)

 

At the moment, it looks like unsupported systems will only have to deal with a mildly-annoying watermark, but this could be the first step toward more drastic measures. Microsoft has warned that it will disable updates on unsupported systems (though this clearly has yet to come to fruition, as you'll only get the watermark if you install the latest update).

 

So, just go buy a new CPU (says Microsoft). Or uninstall Windows 11 and downgrade to Windows 10

It always helps keep things in perspective to remember that (a) Micro$lop is evil at the core of their corporate existence, and (b) fanboys lack the ability to think rationally about things. If the sheeple want to use Winduhz 11, it doesn't matter how crappy it is. In their minds it is the ultimate destiny and they are too stupid to use logic. This is not unique. The same can be said of crApple and their sick little minority group of fanboys, fangirls, and fan-its that are confused about everything.

The Redmond Reprobates are fully aware that by making the use of Winduhz XI more difficult that makes it elusively desirable for fanboys and rebels alike. That's why they do it. It would be less accepted if it installed on a potato or a tomato. Their roadblocks fuel defiance and controversy about a product that is unworthy of any manner of special attention.

Somebody in a high ranking position gets their jollies from watching emo fanboys have meltdowns and technically challenged wannabe crybabies whine about it.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I can answer my own question.... 

 

 

This is retarded of lack of better word. I know the 6-pin connector support added wattage for the PCIe slot if it lack needed power but several other brands offer MB's  that can provide enough power to the PCIe slot without this restriction.

 

And I don't use much of the 12v line from the 24 pin MB connector. Etc the 11A (130w+) fan headers limit isn't in use. Only for fan signals so not much wattage go into these fan headers. So the 24 pin should be more than enough. Why castrate it at wimpy 27W? This idiotic design/engineering ideas is something I mostly can expect coming from Dell or F. Azor. Not from a real MB manufacturer that should know better. 

 

Now I need to find a proper solution for this due Asus own engineering stupidity. And that cost money. Not needed if they followed specs.

 

Then you have the second stupidity from Asus. Why in hell use the F8 command for the MB/bios functionality? The Z690 Apex is meant as a oc board and people use F8 command to go fast into Windows safe mode. So stupid has to be todays word.  And Asus earn it. Every single bit.

 

Asus deserve 2x tripple....  

 

What the heck? That's really crazy. PCIe x16 slots should provide 75W natively without an extra power source. It makes no sense that ASUS did this.

14 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I dont purchase anything from Corsair anymore. Their mods on various forums burned me from the brand altogether.

Were they actually Corsair employees? Not defending what they did at all, but just curious if their behavior was a reflection of being an outsourced flunky that doesn't actually care about the brand or the customers. If they were actually Corsair staff, that makes it a less forgivable breach of character. Most of the people I have needed to interact with at ASUS were truly horrible, so I wouldn't have a surprised look on my face if they were Corsair staff. But, I would still hope not.

Good help is hard to find, especially when the functional role and compensation package fail to make the employee feel like a mission-critical resource.