Mr. Fox

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Put the blame where it should be... On the big IDIOT! Use Google translate 🙂

 

That is a horrible story, indeed. It would be nice for a civil war to erupt and derail his criminal activity in Ukraine.

2 hours ago, Clamibot said:

I'm such a cheapskake and you guys all know it 🤣. I don't know how I balance being so frugal with being a hardware enthusiast. I'm basically subsisting on brother @Mr. Fox's used parts whenever he has some goodies up for sale on the marketplace, and also on any other bones thrown my way through deals I stumble across.

Speaking of goodies, I'll probably have more coming up soon when I stop being lazy and post them. If any of it is of interest to you, give me a shout. See below.

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't really have any use for this NUC. After doing the initial review and the video I haven't used it, so I'm probably going to sell it. I have two fantastic desktops and a nice enough laptop for business travel, so I can't imagine that it won't just sit and collect dust if I keep it. If anyone is interested in it let me know and I'll put it up in the community marketplace.

 

I also have a nicely binned 12900KS and 32GB of Hynix DDR5 M-die that I am not using that I can also sell. If anyone is interested in that, I will put that up in the marketplace as well.

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah they lasted a good 3hrs overall which is definitely a good sign. Suprim Liquid X drifted in and out of stock a few times too.

 

Do you have a particular model that catches your fancy?

 

lol, at least I said I wouldn't be making any decisions till February 2023 so I'm eating just a touch of crow's meat. 🙂

Nothing particular in mind. I am deliberately avoiding comparing pros and cons with any level of seriousness because I am really pretty disgusted with tech in general right now. I do not want my judgment to be clouded with misguided excitement from my investigation of the options. 

EVGA exiting the GPU market also makes me apprehensive that anything I buy will either be a compromised product, have a horrible warranty process, or both. I am not confident that I will ever be enthusiastic to spend the amount it would require to own a 4090 even if EVGA was still in the picture. I don't even want to feel excited about blowing that much money. Of course I really want one. To say the performance interests me would be a huge understatement, and therein lies the problem.

I am seeing reports of issues with people that are having systems that will not POST with 4090 and 4080 cards installed, and I am not interested in that kind of drama. Seems there are some random firmware conflicts. And, I am still not particularly interested in giving up Windows 7, as I haven't reconciled the idea that 4090 performance is enough that I would view it as being an acceptable compromise. Defiance and rejecting the Redmond Retards' efforts to force using their latest trash is a good enough reason for me to want to keep using it. I would want to because of that even if I liked Windows 10/11 because their Nazi approach pisses me off real bad.

Whatever I would choose would need to have a waterblock readily available for it, preferrably from two or more manufacturers.  The one I am most interested in is the Zotac 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO. Optionally, one of the better MSI models, Colorful, PNY or (last choice, but not excluded as an option) a Gigabyte product.

I am least interested in owning anything made by ASUS or ASRock because I do not like what they stand for as companies, or their shoddy warranty processes. I do not want anything that is a hybrid or has a factory waterblock unless it were available at a freakishly weird price, but those seem to be among the most overpriced options. At least one of the liquid cooled options seems to perform poorly compared to most of the air cooled options (can't remember which one now) and that seems inexcusable.

There is a part of me that seriously wants to sell my 3090 KPE, use the money to buy the Acer Arc A770 and put the rest of the money in a savings account. The only reason I haven't already done that is the loss I would take on the 3090 KPE.  If I could sell it for $800 to $1,000 I am not even sure I that would be willing to spend the additional $700 to $1000 difference for a 4090 right now.

Knowing myself, there is a really good chance I will eventually cave in on this. I don't want to and I expect that if I do there will be some regret involved. For all of the above reasons I am making an effort to do nothing at the moment, and as much as I can, resisting the temptation to do any looking because I know that will just make it harder for me to keep a level head.

39 minutes ago, Reciever said:

If it helps we could have a banner made to shame you upon purchase, I wouldnt mind even getting commentary from @Clamibot articulating just how much money was wasted like those one liner quotes that OEM's like to use from Product reviewers. 

Here to help, after all 

It probably would be no more traumatic than the self-condemnation I endured after blowing an idiotic sum on the 3090 KPE. I still haven't really forgiven myself for that, and I haven't derived enough personal satisfaction from owning it to justify a repeat act of similar indiscretion. The kindest way to describe it would be: Good product, overrated, and poor value. The 4090 is all that, on steroids. At a certain point it becomes too difficult to balance desirability against repulsive pricing for a product that will be obsolete before it is old enough to get dirty.

Barring the possibility of a momentary lapse of good judgement, probably not going to happen. I am avoiding using the word "never" because I don't care for the taste of crow meat.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

We're getting to that point.

 

Gigabyte 4090 in stock for over 2hrs and counting at Newegg:

 

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gv-n4090gaming-oc-24gd/p/N82E16814932550?Item=N82E16814932550

 

All you had to do was just wait less than 3 months to get MSRP

That sure didn't last long. I looked at the link a couple of hours ago and it was about $1,700, but now it's back up to an idiotic $2,200 and the only option available.

Thankfully, the rational part of my brain is still functioning well enough that it convinced the irrational part of my brain that $1,700 was still an absurdly frivolous price. I was tempted to add it to my cart for a minute or two, though. It sucks being tempted by impulse, but the victory of overcoming it is sweet.

5 hours ago, ryan said:

 

 

I love all your videos, you have to be the most laid back guy ever, really cool and look freakishly like my dad/ when I casually glance it is my dad I see. wild. but yeah keep them videos coming

Thanks brother. It's very kind of you and I appreciate the compliment. I'm flattered that I remind you of your dad. I'm sure he's an awesome man so I take that as a compliment as well.

On 1/9/2023 at 7:46 AM, Linux said:

I will never undestand the issue with BGA, because all of my former and current BGA machines never had any issues. In addition to my Clevo i am running Ubuntu server on an Intel NUC. The thing runs Nextcloud, an e-mail server and a Fediverse instance (and a couple of other services) and it doesn't even blink.

I'm not fond of the design (BGA) but when the cost is kept very low, and if the product will do what you need it to do, it's not the end of the world if you have to throw it away if it stops working. It offers good utility at a low price. It's only when something is both disposable and expensive that it becomes an unwise purchase.

I have to admit that, for what it is, it does a really nice job and it's great that it has some degree of expandability. I mean, there are laptops that have soldered ram and storage and this allows replacement and upgrade of both, plus expansion to add a 2.5 inch SATA drive. It's a lot more than you would get in a laptop at this price, that's for sure.

I don't really have any use for this NUC. After doing the initial review and the video I haven't used it, so I'm probably going to sell it. I have two fantastic desktops and a nice enough laptop for business travel, so I can't imagine that it won't just sit and collect dust if I keep it. If anyone is interested in it let me know and I'll put it up in the community marketplace.

I also have a nicely binned 12900KS and 32GB of Hynix DDR5 M-die that I am not using that I can also sell. If anyone is interested in that, I will put that up in the marketplace as well.

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Its all about QC and QM. 

Vapor gate and failure of the entire quality management? Background to the cooler problem of the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX (MBA)

January 10, 2023

Igor Wallosek

If the GPU killing driver thing were to involve an NVIDIA GPU I would be inclined to consider it a deliberate digital genocide maneuver on the part of the Green Goblin as a wicked plot to sell more GPUs to people that wouldn't otherwise spend any money.  We have already seen them in action enough times to know they are not an honorable company.

With AMD I would not think that and lean more toward a view of it being accidental or due to incompetence versus a deliberate act with nefarious purposes. However, what we are seeing with unethical pricing and market manipulation they are both shaping up to look like unscrupulous companies that don't care about their products or the people that buy them, as long as they keep making money.

On 1/9/2023 at 6:47 AM, Mr. Fox said:

It certainly smacks of Micro$lop incompetence and ineptitude. When you spend a lot of your time butt-kissing losers and idiots, their poop gets splattered on you and you eventually begin to smell and behave as badly as they do.

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

almost spit out my cheerios with milk while reading that 😄 

More humor... when my kids were little, if they cut wind (passed gas) my father-in-law would say, "hey kiddo, your breath smells the same, but your voice sounds different" or "if you're doing that in parts, please leave mine out" LOL.

30 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Wow, that is really horrible. I feel bad for the people this has happened to. This should be covered by AMD, even if the GPU is out of warranty.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

You're sure you aren't tempted bro Fox😀 You don't have to go with massiveluy overpriced 4000 series mobile graphics cards. 

Well, let me think about it for a minute.

*one minute later*

nope

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

This showed up in Nvidia's feedback thread for 516.40 https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/494630/geforce-grd-51640-feedback-thread-released-61522/3258957/

One single soule complained about this in the feedback thread at Nvidia. Yep, one single person. If not more people enjoy tuning/overclock their cards, then I can clearly understand why Nvidia castrate new and older graphics cards. No one bother. They are happy with what they get. Castrated, overpriced or awful value doesn't matter @Mr. Fox 

Probably among the small number of GTX 980 owners that still exist, only one possessed enough intelligence to identify there is a problem. The rest of them are merely examples of why we can't have nice things any more. 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Only $1,812 US Dollar for the GPU upgrade from Nvidia 4060 and up to 4090.Ready with the money bro @Mr. Fox?

The prophesies are coming to pass. We can all have whatever the lowest common denominators are willing to put up with.

Now it is only a question of who is the king of the bottom-feeders.

34 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

If you look at a few tech channel guys around youtube you will now find them mentioning 6 to 7 lbs laptops as super heavy and huge when in weight they are below former 15" DTRs and in volume they are probably smaller, too.

https://youtube.com/shorts/j2t6M1pz3OU 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

The biggest disappointment to me still is AMD. Always the perpetual underdog and pricing king keeping Intel and Nvidia somewhat honest. The first moment they bring to market real competitive products they promptly mark their pricing upwards too both CPU and GPU to try to extract maximum value versus lower profit margins and go for real marketshare gains. They then basically stretch the truth in their marketing too on top of it. I guess they figure if Nvidia and Intel can do it why can't they?

Intel and NVIDIA generally only engage in battles they have confidence they can win and typically only do things they are good at. AMD tries to do things that they are honestly not very good at doing. They may want to be and they may try hard. Acknowledging effort is appropriate, but only achievements and results truly deserve to be rewarded. 

10 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

You and I have long known that diminishing returns is the name of the game for top end hardware but still went for it anyhow. The problem now is the top end hardware is insanely expensive and there is a clear and present danger of AMD and Nvidia trying to shift up the MSRP on the lower tiers.

Yup. It's different now. Instead of leveling up for top end, they're just screwing everyone indescriminately at every level. That is not the same as charging a premium for premium. It's more like bad people being bad people and charging stupid people a premium for stupidity.

6 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

......and......out of stock.....lol

Gone in 60 seconds. I clicked the link and found the same issue. They must have only had a tiny inventory, or people have bots in place to scarf them up for resale/scalping purposes.

2 minutes ago, ryan said:

Yeah I'm guilty of watching only the first video..he's really cool and cuts to the chase..I used to think that way...buy a cheap desktop barebones and upgrade cpu gpu..I honestly got out of the loop. But I'm sure there's still options as his video is only 3 weeks old...when my laptop bites the dust I will be going this route...thanks for the video bro..also I watched your video..well done..s and e big thumbs up

Thank you.

The LTT video shows examples of three companies in Toronto that are repurposing old tech by jazzing it up with some bling that the kiddos tend to love, and reselling the used stuff still super-cheap compared to the new stuff. Really good solution for financially challenged people (and parents of younger kids) that need a cheap computer that will still do most things well enough if your bar isn't set too high. I would do it for that purpose, nothing to do with e-waste mitigation.

3 minutes ago, ryan said:

Woah..now that's a deal he picked up the whole 1070 system for under 500. Impressive. I think 1070 level gpu is perfect for 1080p. You won't need much more at 1080p

Yes. There is definitely a market for that kind of thing. That guy (in the first link) has a very funny dry sense of humor. I really like his dry corny humor.

3 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Thats where a lot of my systems come from right now, out of warranty decom.

 

I am currently sitting on: 

5820 Precision w/ i7 9800x

4x 7810 with 2x 2650v3 (20c/40t) (some of which have 128GB RAM)
3x optiplex 7060 i7's
optiplex 7070 w/ i5
6x HP t630's 
Probably over a TB of ram

 

One of the other reasons I was a bit disillusioned was due to super low bids I kept getting. I used to sell Optiplex 7040 micros for 100 and people would still shoot me offers of 40 lol. I was thinking of building my own SCCM/MDT server to make the process of clean slating PC's more automated.

 

That is why I think it would be challenging to become established in that niche, but I think once you do it could be very lucrative. The second link (LTT video) shows examples of those who have.

I put links to both videos because the first one does not allow embedding their YT videos, so I made both just links so nobody would skip the first link thinking it was the same video as the second link.

13 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

I have been debating it to some degree but of my experience of late is around sccm/mdt deployments and such. I think I have hit the ceiling at my current employment but I do have too much hardware at home for my own uses its really a waste to let it be. 

 

Me and Hiew debated it several times since we essentially do it already for all our friends and family and do have a genuine interest in the space. 

 

Then we needed a forum lol, so that took front seat and then work ramped up for both of us pretty significantly. 

Doing something with tech for money like what is shown in both of these videos would probably be a smart thing to do in this difficult economic environment. The vast majority of consumers prefer having something adequate that doesn't cost any more than necessary. It might be difficult to get it in motion as a business, but once you did and got established in it, I think it would have potential to be lucrative.

https://youtu.be/0Q6QQm_kPfw

https://youtu.be/W8snwlE93aE

22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

But it neeed to be in "All Black" and not in modern nasty pastel/glossy fancy colors. All black bro electro😎 

 

I have nothing against Crocs or the people that love them. But, I don't want a PC case that looks like a shoe. Or, for that matter, that looks like anything else other than a PC case. I'm not a fan of gimmicks like that. They usually embrace compromise and omit functionality as a trade-off for weird aesthetics. Even when the aesthetic is pleasing, you're giving up something else related to functionality, performance, or both.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Newegg has had the Gigabyte 4090 drifting in and out of stock today:

 

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gv-n4090gaming-oc-24gd/p/N82E16814932550?Item=N82E16814932550

 

 

MSI has one model of their 4090 in stock on their website the $1699.99 Gaming X Trio

 

https://us-store.msi.com/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GPU/GeForce-RTX-40-Series/4090-Z790-CARBON-WIFI-Gaming-Kit-s360?sort=p.price&order=ASC

 

Looks like they're forcing a bundle purchase (MB and AIO) to get it.....ewww.

It is getting harder to rationalize spending between $1300 and $2000 more than the price of an A770. If the percentage of performance uplift loosely matched the percentage of price increase it would be fairly easy to justify.

I agree with the last comment... definitely "ewww" for me, too. No thanks.

Looks like they are shooting the new Mission Impossible movie in Brother @Papusanstomping grounds (Norway).

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yep, it looks like full havoc at AMDs HQ right now. Where is their QC? Do they also outsource own firmware and QC? Perhaps outsourced to Microsoft?😀

 

 

Latest AMD AGESA Firmware Inadvertently Disables Cores On Some Ryzen 5 7600X CPUs Affected Ryzen 5 7600X chips lose significant performance.

 

It certainly smacks of Micro$lop incompetence and ineptitude. When you spend a lot of your time butt-kissing losers and idiots, their poop gets splattered on you and you eventually begin to smell and behave as badly as they do.

A few products I recently picked up... @Papusan wants the first item because it is BGA.

14 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Stopped watching the first video on the "two legendary market experts" announcement and ran a quick sanity check...

#1 Eifrig - a convicted fraudster 

#2 Navellier - ditto

 

What Martha Stewart did was equally illegal and she put in her time for it, but I don't refuse to value her talent, watch her on TV or prepare recipes she shares on the basis of her infraction.

Neither of their crimes or convictions have any bearing on the validity of their opinions or the information they possess. Their crimes were a direct result of their brilliance, using knowledge and ability to beat the system. It was obviously illegal in the view of their prosecutors and they got caught. If they repaid their debt to society it is now water under the bridge. The way I see it, if what they say has merit then their criminal record is totally irrelevant. Personally, I would not refuse to listen to them or dismiss what they say merely on the basis of their past convictions. But, I totally respect your freedom to do so.

I am confident that we have more people than we would ever want to believe we have in positions of power and authority in this country (including a former two-term philandering POTUS circa 1993 and his witchy evidence-destroying wife, our outgoing Speaker of the House, her husband and their son, and our current POTUS and his son) and your country, that are guilty of equal or worse crimes against society that have been overlooked. They are above the law because of their political value to the people that have the ability to turn a blind eye to their crimes in the name of advancing an agenda. They are not held accountable to the same laws because of who their friends are.

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I have had plenty of clients change their minds on custom builds before signing my agreement, but once they've signed, I have a nonnegotiable, nonrefundable 10% build fee. I never had anyone threaten to harm me over that fee, but I am a large man that carries a very large defensive metal "stick".  

Yes, totally. It seems obvious the communication gap was between the father and his son, not between the customer and shop. If I were that Canadian PC shop and I had already been paid I would have refused to give him a refund, especially if the son purchased the system or parts from another PC shop. My response would be, sorry pal, you bought it, it was built for you, it's yours. If you changed your mind and don't want it now, then you sell it and you absord the loss. Not my problem.

Once it was built, the parts are all used and instantly worth less than new sealed box. And, there likely would have been restocking fees, etc. It would take a really good repeat customer that I did a lot of business with and wanted to retain as a customer before I would take the loss on that kind of deal.