Mr. Fox

46 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Some day, but for now the mighty Google killed Stadia off.

Googirl and Micro$lop are pretty nimble when it comes to identifying something they did right so they can put a stop to it.

2 minutes ago, Papusan said:

What you have learned today: STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES - FORREST GUMP

 

Reviewers who have also managed to take a first look at various custom AMD Radeon RX 7900 series graphics cards have also reported inconsistent and fluctuating clock speeds on the cards. AMD had also promised up to +54% improvement in power efficiency but that was no where to be seen and the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture blew away RDNA 3 GPUs in all power efficiency metrics on review day.

Azor.

14 hours ago, johnksss said:

7900 XT is not sold out at my Microcenter and plenty of others as well.

https://www.microcenter.com/category/4294966937/graphics-cards

Now the XTX version which would have been the smarter move to buy is sold out.

It seems like the undesirable overpriced junk is the only thing available for most people to buy. The desirable overpriced junk is sold out. I am kind of surprised to see people buying 4080 in volume. Not that everyone wants the best GPU money can buy, because we know that is not the case. Just that they're willing to pay the price that the best option is worth to own the not-the-best option. Maybe it is just poor judgment coming off of the cypto-craze and fear of having nothing. That said, I hope the availability of the peasant AMD and NVIDIA GPUs is due to a lack of desire to purchase them rather than an abundance of available stock. I can't think of a better Christmas present for AMD and NVIDIA than to have it rotting on store shelves because of not enough people interested in their second-rate garbage for them to continue manufacturing it.

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

Because the main target group is in Asia. Just look at all the cards with kids theme (Anime) on hardware sold for that region. White, Gold and pastel is very popular.

Yeah, it's really repulsive to me. I guess if that is what floats your boat, it's all good. It all seems really goofy to me. Very effeminate cartoon garbage. Might as well be a Malibu Barbie or a Sesame Street GPU. If you're a big boy you can get the Ninja Turtles Edition and it comes with a share-size bag of Skittles.

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Right..... *wink wink* "Mistakenly" 🤪🤣

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/galax-mistakenly-announces-geforce-rtx-4090-ti-graphics-card

 

I don't understand why Galax seem hellbent on making the world's ugliest video cards. I'm not talking about the white color (not my favorite) but the  disgusting extra garbage that is just so tacky and goofy-looking.

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I love reading the comments on a review at techspot...I do hate when people go off on a political rant in the middles of talking about hardware. I hate morons.

 

It bothers me a lot when people outside of a country think of themselves as being well-versed or knowledgable about things which they know absolutely nothing. It really exposes the degree to which they are hopelessly lost imbeciles. They have no earthly idea how utterly full of crap they are because they believe the nonsense they see/hear on TV and on social media, which is almost entirely fabricated, severely misrepresented or taken out of context. It bothers me even more when people that live in the same country, and are best equipped to identify the lies, are incapable of identifying truth versus fiction when it goes against the narrative of the agenda or cause they have chosen to believe in. The world we live in is circling the drain and numbskulls like that are accelerating the destruction. I think the end of days is probably closer than we think, and won't be any kind of "environmental" tragedy that shakes our Etch-A-Sketch. It will be the irrational hatred of one-another and rejection of truth and goodness that have become hallmark traits of the largely-retarded human race.

6 minutes ago, cylix said:

Yes this is the norm nowdays, fu..the customers, profit above all. They needed something for the Christmas sales.😑

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Well if this is true then this is why performance is so low and a scummy move from AMD to their customers!

 

 

Wow, that is a really nasty can of worms. Would have been much better for them to delay launch rather than releasing a defective product deliberately. Smells like an Azor move. Skunks don't change their stripes.

5 hours ago, johnksss said:

Yep, I still have it. I did use it a few times when I had 3090 NVLink going.

Let's see what kind of response this gets... I'm suspect someone(s) with a famous user name(s) might get butt hurt about having to play by the same rules as us pions.

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/221655-mandatory-systeminfo-555-update-and-new-benchmark-rules-for-rtx40-series/#comment-632711

Now this is interesting...

https://forums.evga.com/My-Arduinobased-RAM-SPD-readerwriter-free-and-open-source-m3053544-p6.aspx

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

@Mr. Fox Watching the Kingpin video at 20:50 oh man! That is exactly what Dell/Alienware did to us!

 

@24:06 Vince let me get the 2 way version of that board.

Yeah, 100%... "they'll come behind you guys and lock it down" 😞 Totally butt-headed Gestapo crap.

A lot, maybe most, of everything that is good and awesome about overclocking is attributable to EVGA. NVIDIA is probably relieved they are no longer an AIB partner, and their competitors are probably glad they do not have to be held to standards as high as where EVGA set the bar for GPUs. Heaven help us if they stop making motherboards.

Do you still have that 2-slot spacer daughterboard? Truly a collector's item and a piece of history if it came from Vince and Tin.

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

They can and will moderate any scores if they see they are too good. Maybe they think newbies or the normy benchers can't have the best binned HW (only elite and top benchers can have that).

🤣😠👍👎

14 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

The sheer amount of headroom does really seem to indicate a lot of performance was left on the table and AIBs are going to have a field day along with blocks.

Historically, AMD has been anti-overclocking and has had a very anti-overclocker policy. By leaving a lot of headroom on the table it makes it easier to deny warranty if they can find any evidence of overclocking or performance modification, and they even go as far as mentioning that using the overclocking software they provide is a basis for warranty denial. If they push things to the edge (like NVIDIA) and the GPU fails, they're automatically on the hook for the warranty. So, they are being rather sly with self-insulation by selling an under-performer with lots of headroom that they know full well some customers are going to tap into. 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

The fun part... The thread starter (nr1 bencher) for the "cheat graphics problems thread" posted benchmarks with ECC disabled. This days after he+ the mod team by own hands pushed out the new rules and said you risk be banned if you don't remove your old scores within one week yourself. 

It seems that rules seldom apply to the people making them up. The rules only have to be followed by the people that the rules are designed to victimize.

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

I did a clean install of latest Nvidia driver with NVCleanstall after cleaning up with DDU. I see ECC support in NCP is enabled by default now. I mean this was disabled in older drivers by default. Can other confirm this? If so, I wonder why Nvidia changed default settings for ECC to enabled. Thanks.

 

And UL/Futuremark released a new System info. I wonder if this one will have a drawback after all the talk with Hwbot. Not the first time Futuremark screw up own software,

Probably to increase performance to look better for marketing purposes. Harder to demonstrate value and sell grossly overpriced products when the price difference for the less expensive overpriced products has a smaller performance gap.

I think everyone got "talked out" in the HWBOT thread. Decisions were made by the people with the power to make them who made an "executive decision" how to handle it in the way that best served their own interests. Bad decisions made by bad people wrongly gifted with authority seems to be the new normal no matter what the subject matter or the realm of authority.

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, the Team Group Delta 7200 A-die was buggy and got refunded by Amazon, but the G.SKILL 7200 looks like it might be a keeper. I haven't started any intense tuning. Here's a down and dirty that passes memory stability testing. Not bad considering some of the timings are still sloppy (set on Auto in the Z690 Dark BIOS). Not too shabby for a $300 A-die kit.

ttps://hwbot.org/submission/5143023_mr._fox_aida64___memory_read_ddr5_sdram_129455_points

Hot  off the presses, with Vince talking about EVGA's GPU secrets.

45 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

I have no idea why editing my above post did what it did.?? Big lo g space....sorry

Are you using a smartphone? Stupid stuff like that happens to me when I do. Simply edit the post and delete all of the extra space.

24 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

TBH the fact that they hired him kind of reflects poorly on AMD. What has he achieved in those 3 years? Guess may have helped get more AMD-powered laptops to the market? Best case scenario probably.

Yes, it absolutely does. They made a very bad decision and it makes them look bad for making it. Whether it was due to being misinformed, or because they enjoy having deceptive people on staff, is anyone's guess.

47 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

With what @Mr. Fox and @johnksss have said, maybe i wont be benching anymore. Sounds like it's going the way everything else is in this world. Limited choice, high prices, rules that only apply after the golden children have uploaded their scores.....smh. Benching was fun as in as little as a few years ago. Silicon released at near max frequencies, gpu's with crappy memory clocking, and being stuck with crappy versions of windows all relates to greedy corporations wanting full control over everything you purchase. Sorry to say, it's only going to get worse.

It is very discouraging. A big reason for it is that the people in control of everything don't care about enthusiasts, don't share our passion for overclocking and don't really understand what makes us tick. The politically-based cliché applies here as well as politics... "elect a clown, expect a circus" and to that I say "not my circus, not my monkey" LOL. The difference is, we don't get to vote on the clowns that are in control of the technology, so we can't blame our friend and neighbors for the messes their stupid decisions caused.

Well, the Team Group Delta 7200 A-die was buggy and got refunded by Amazon, but the G.SKILL 7200 looks like it might be a keeper. I haven't started any intense tuning. Here's a down and dirty that passes memory stability testing. Not bad considering some of the timings are still sloppy (set on Auto in the Z690 Dark BIOS). Not too shabby for a $300 A-die kit.

@Raiderman

Sharp-looking pickup, bro. My favorite color, too. (And, the least appropriate color for the dusty blast furnace that I live in, LOL.)

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Azor or some salesmen can't be trusted. 

I automatically believe the opposite of whatever Azor says. 

4 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I may just get a 6950xt, or just stay with my 6600xt. I don't do any 4k gaming, I just play now and then. I was hoping to kind of future proof this rig a little, but I'm not paying those prices for an upper level card. I would have been willing to pay 1000 to 1200.

Just take your time with it. If you're not benching and what you have does what you need it to well enough, save your money and wait for the prices to fall. They probably will. Depending on how long it takes for idiots to max out their credit cards, it might happen sooner or may take a while. I mean who would have thought that I would own a 3060 Ti or that I would entertain the idea of buying an Arc A770? Even I would not have believed it until a year or so ago. When I bought the 3090 KPE and began to reflect on what benefit I got for spending my money (or what little benefit if you look at it that way) it caused me to reflect on things and adjust my perspective. I spent a lot of money and got something that wasn't a whole lot better than ordinary. Based on what I spent, it should have been a golden sample. While it was better than average, it wasn't nearly as special as the price tag would have suggested it should be and less than what I deserved to receive for paying the extra premium.

Do I want a 4090? Hell yeah, of course I do. But, it's a really poor value and unless I got extremely lucky with a golden sample that allowed me to be successful at benching against "the chosen ones" that get cherry-picked silicon for free, chances are fairly good I am going to regret having burned a really huge wad of cash on a run of the mill ego-crazed gamerboy's cracker jack trash card. I'm not saying that my foolish side might not eventually rationalize the decision. That could happen. But, the final outcome (speaking of the regret over the money spent) will probably turn out the same.

13 hours ago, johnksss said:

And so it begins.... They just blocked a bunch of my scores. I think I'm bout done with benching...

Sounds like your disappointment with things is similar to mine. Sorry to hear that, but it is what it is. I never expected it to be cheap, but when you have to pay far too much money to get something that may turn out to be an overpriced piece of garbage, then have the fun taken out of benching on top of that... what's the point? If it isn't fun any more, then I guess there is no point. Fun was the basis for it in the first place. 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Oh then I'm good.... no way I'm heading into Philly area during rush hour traffic. 🤪

 

Man, that sucks on the scores. 😞

 

 

Just wait till after the holidays. If you've gone this long without an upgrade what's a few more months? I won't be buying or doing anything till Feb or most likely March as I'll be on the road for most of Jan, back for a few weeks then right back out for another 2-3 weeks living off my laptop and ipad.

 

Things will settle down around March (in theory) and I'll see about picking up a new GPU.

 

6600xt should tide you over till late Q1 2023.

Exactly. Very similar to my comments to Brother @Raiderman. Don't let the money burn a hole in your pocket. Just wait for the kill. You can shoot when you see the whites of their eyes.

On 12/10/2022 at 12:57 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I would be SHOCKED if that did not happen. It is almost guaranteed and taken for granted. Scalpers may be one of the few sources available and I expect they will try to match 4090 prices. I doubt anyone will be able to buy an AMD card for anywhere close to MSRP unless they are in a town with a Microcenter. Screwing the public is one of the value-added services they are happy to provide at no additional charge.

LOL, did I call it or what? Very predictable. I wish I would have been wrong about this, but I always expect the worst when it comes to how companies treat consumers. That's just the sad world we live in now. If what you want is desirable, chances are great that you're going to get screwed and it should be almost taken for granted that you will get hosed on the price. They use "supply and demand" as the excuse to legitimize their thievery, but let's make no mistake about it... just good old fashioned greed and price-gouging with little or no connection to supply and demand. They'll charge as much as stupid people are willing to pay. Prices will go down only when overpriced inventory stops moving.

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Don't hate on the Zotac "trash" card. 😂

Out of all of the air-cooled 4090 cards I think it is the nicest looking as well. I'm not buying one because they're just too damned expensive to entertain the idea, but if I were going to I would probably go with that one. The money saved can be put toward a waterblock.

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Sorry all. My first videon on youtube and I forgot allow comments. It's open now for those of you that want add an cooment on the screemy fan. 

 

I like form over function. Have always done.  But with all the noise around 90db I expect to get mooore cooling performance from it😁 And the sound is awful. Probably one of the worst I have heard. And it come for cheap. Always a reason for that.

C'mon now... we know you value function over form. You should. I do, too. Form is nice. Function is essential. Balance is nice when you can achieve it.

But, those fans are just ridiculous, LOL. I would even go as far to say so ridiculous that function is impaired. The unbearable noise is a functionality limitation. You have to run the fans slower to not have your ears bleed and that reduces their capacity.

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX and XT Review: Shooting for the Top RDNA 3 dons a halo for its coming out party tomshardware.com

From the article from Tomshardware...

 

That's what we used to see: a big jump in price for the final, relatively small performance increase. Both Nvidia and now AMD have apparently ditched that approach this generation.

 

We can't help but think the past two years of GPU shortages has led some of the bean counters into thinking graphics cards should cost more. Street prices are likely to be over $1,000 for most of the 7900 series custom AIB designs, unless the supply is so good that it outstrips demand.

If sales are slow that could also drive lower prices as we saw with AM5 CPUs.

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But for under a grand, right now the RX 7900 XTX delivers plenty to like and at least keeps pace with the more expensive RTX 4080. All you have to do is lose a good sized chunk of ray tracing performance, and hope that FSR2 can continue catching up to DLSS. 

Oh, is that all? [sarcasm]

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 There are some edge cases, but by and large if you want to learn about anti-woke topics you willl be well served. Other more hardcore topics will still be banned, but it's hard to argue that's unreasonable after the atrocities of WWII.

What they are doing certainly doesn't come anywhere near the order of magnitude of the WWII atrocities and can't be compared to that, but the approach with the censoring and agenda-driven information (disinformation) control is remarkably similar. This is unacceptable and totally contrary to normal American life, not to mention unconstitutional and illegal. They are basically blocking everything that is true, accurate, normal and mainstream and replacing it with extreme woke, hard left nonsense... wickedness on steroids. They shroud their agenda in a fake presentation of being anti-racism and anti-hate when it is exactly that they are guilty of. Totally ludicrous.

Wow... still down?!? Seems like something more than "service enhancements" because it is taking a crazy long time. Wonder what the deal is? Maybe trying to keep the lid on something they don't want exposed for discussion in their forum? Or, maybe a mishap that wiped everything out? Neither one would be good.

1 minute ago, Etern4l said:

 

Paradoxically, the problem with these platforms is they are designed to serve you (almost) exactly the content you would love to see. You will rarely be provided with alternative viewpoints. The idea is to reinforce your entrenched views and push you into one of the extremes, where are you are predictable and thus easy to control. Divide and conquer. 

 

If you are into right-wing content, you will receive so much of it you will be constantly shivering with excitement and coming back for more. 

 

The only way a person with some agency left can defend themselves (short of geting completely off the grid lol), is to take sufficient measures to prevent tracking and targretting. Tip: Privacy mode is insufficient. 

The problem is the censoring, and in particular, the censoring of everything that doesn't fit their extreme left woke socialist agenda. It forces people from the center to move hard left or right, moreso of the latter.

Just now, Papusan said:

The only good with this, is more options to the people. And this may help Nvidia to change their awful prices for mid high end. But this AMD launch won't speed up the release of 4090 Ti. 

I still haven't forgiven them for back-stabbing 3090 owners with the 3090 Ti. I hope they never release a 4090 Ti and stop the financial shell game. It's not welcomed and merely shows what a sucky greed-driven outfit they are.