On 12/12/2022 at 10:02 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Wow... still down?!? Seems like something more than "service enhancements" because it is taking a crazy long time. Wonder what the deal is? Maybe trying to keep the lid on something they don't want exposed for discussion in their forum? Or, maybe a mishap that wiped everything out? Neither one would be good.

 

On 12/12/2022 at 3:56 PM, Tenoroon said:

I may be wrong, but word on the street says they are migrating their current servers for the forums and reworking the forums. Take this with a grain of salt though...

On 12/12/2022 at 4:05 PM, johnksss said:

I think the word on the street is they messed it up and are now trying to recover it....Based on my migration experiences over the past 20 years.

I can't help but think something went terribly wrong and somebody(s) are in deep doo-doo right about now. There is no way this was routine maintenance given the absurd amount of time that has passed since their forum went dark. And, I am wondering if they didn't have any backups and now there is nothing left to rebuild. That could be really tragic for lots of people.

It will be interesting to see what the generic A-die sticks from AliExpress do. They should be here the second week of January, LOL. (Proverbial slow boat from China.) This is my generic SK Hynix green M-die with Dark BIOS v2.05. 

http://valid.x86.fr/bq845g

On 12/17/2022 at 3:03 PM, electrosoft said:

Makes sense since you're going to just throw your own heatsink solution on them anyhow. The price and RGB aren't worth it.

 

Glad to see you testing, pushing and binning various sticks out there to separate the wheat from the chaff for clarity.

It is kind of crazy how some people assume that just because they are paying a lot for a certain brand or part number they are guaranteed to have a good outcome. That is less true today than it ever has been in the past. The opposite *should* be true with QC, but the sad truth is most of the hardware OEMs just don't give a damn about what they sell or the people that buy their stuff as long as the cash keeps flowing.

8 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

yep you and me and basically the whole enthusiast community is hoping for intel to get (even a tiny) foothold in the gpu space. more competition is good, nothing new there. but as we all know, companies are not your friends, so everyone's gotta prove themselves first.

 

that's the overall problem with Ngreedia: they SUCK SO BAD but their products are just spot on, year after year, gen after gen, they prove they can make the best performing GPUs. this combo just sucks big time cuz ud LOVE to buy ANYthing else but you just cant. thats why im also hoping for AMD to get their shit together for RDNA3 and push those cards to their initially intended targets.

Yup, 100%. We're in agreement here... totes.

On 12/18/2022 at 1:01 PM, Rage Set said:

After all of these years, you'd think that Jay would know a little more about overclocking reference cards. It is obvious that reference cards are extremely powerlimited and while the results are novel (instead of crashing, the card steals power from the VRAM when overclocking the core), he didn't have the same issues with the PowerColor Red Devil AIB card. However, if you read the title of the video, you'd think it affects all AMD XTX cards. 

 

There are some issues with the XTX that AMD NEEDS to correct via drivers and I am going to remain on the sideline until they solved, but I can't help but think that all of this crap is because people wanted the 7900 XTX to beat the 4090 at $600 less. I blame AMD for their announcement bullcrap and the tech media. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

yep, that definitely wasnt one of Jay's finest moments...i wasnt aware of that seemingly typical RDNA behaviour until i read the comments under that video. seems to be nothing new 😄 i guess he shouldve done minimum amount of research before posting such sensational content!

I was also not aware of that being common AMD RDNA GPU behavior. But, neither I, nor Jay, have been interested in AMD GPUs or overclocking them. Kind of hard to be aware of something like that if you don't ever use it. Knowing that it is typical, I am less likely than before to buy one. At least not a reference card. From the sounds of it, seems that performance still doesn't scale well with overclocking the "enthusiast" Radeon cards even when the clocks do not drop.

2 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

forgive me but ill only believe it when i see it...Intel's got a looooooooooooooooot of ground to cover before earning any trust in the GPU space.

I have to keep forcing myself not to buy one and remind myself that I don't need it and that the performance is essentially the same as my 3060 Ti that is less than 90 days old. I really want one. I came really close to buying the Acer Predator version with an extra 200 MHz core boost clock and higher TDP this weekend. If they release a higher performance model than A770 I probably will not resist the temptation. I want them to be successful and I already have a fairly decent degree of confidence that they will be. Intel generally plays with the intent of winning, and they generally do not like it when they are not in first place. I hope that "character flaw" becomes evident and they stay in the game with the intent of dethroning the Green Goblin on both the performance crown and value crown.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Why in hell make a water block for a cheap 75W GPU? Profits beat common sense. And I'm sure there is buyers there out for this. And many of them have more money than brain. This is brain death. Add shipping cost and +25% tax on top ofthis for Norway and the block will cost +252$. Fantastic.

 

The A380 waterblock is now offered at $190, which unfortunately $60 more than the A380 SKU itself. 

 

The A380 waterblock alone is ‘an interesting’ idea. This is a 75W TDP graphics card that hardly requires more than two fans, yet now we are getting a liquid cooling alternative. However, there is a growing community of content creators and gamers who are using A380 GPUs for their video encoding work, where the A380 serves as a co-processor. Those systems may already be liquid cooled, so it would probably make sense to put all discrete GPUs under water.
https://videocardz.com/newz/bykski-releases-waterblocks-for-intel-arc-a770-and-a380-gpus

I have seen people criticize and even go as far as calling it stupid for 3060/3060 Ti to be cooled by waterblocks as well, but I can tell you it makes a massive improvement in both temperatures and performance. I played 6 hours of God of War on my work computer this weekend and my GPU never went higher than an average of around 65°C and it stayed nailed to the max boost clock, voltage and power limit the entire time I was playing it. I don't believe a 75W GPU would get hot enough to need it with a proper air cooling solution, but it certainly wouldn't hurt anything to have it.

That said, I could see some people putting a 75W GPU in a hot-box SFF case with poor ventilation and nothing would help that poor little critter stay cool enough to avoid pain and suffering. But, it probably wouldn't be liquid cooled in that scenario, so it's not relevant to that conversation, LOL.

Edit: Anyone heard of CapFrameX? I had never heard of it before, but it is a fantastic benchmarking tool. I enjoyed fiddling with it, which is what got me started play God of War, LOL.

With maxed out graphics and Ultra applied to everything, 3060 Ti stays above 100 FPS.

11 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I lapped the IHS on my 13900K. And saw roughly 3-5C reduction on the cores. 
 

Most likely I am going to run the “Super cool” direct die setup like all these other guys are running though. 
 

Anyone have a Supercool direct die they’d be willing to sell? 
 

I have heard that 12th gen and 13th gen are the same. 
 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I had one and sold it because I was unhappy with how poorly it cooled my 12900K. I sold it on overclock.net shortly after I got it. Maybe it has been redesigned, but the one I received (which was one of the first) was no better than running with the IHS. I was really disappointed because the one I had for 10900K did a wonderful job.

  

  

 

For what it's worth, it looks like it has, in fact, been redesigned. It sucks that the one they sold me was lousy. The cold plate looks totally different now. http://www.supercoolcomputer.com/en/product/44/direct-die-intel-gen13
 

Here is the current design:

Here is what they sold me that sucked:

Hopefully the new design does a better job of cooling. My temps were basically the same as using the copper IHS with the old design. There was no measurable improvement and it wasn't worth the added inconvenience created by the design. If you have to take it apart for any reason it is more than a little bit inconvenient. Here is how I did it without making a mess. (The inconvenience would have been an acceptable flaw had it worked as well as expected.)

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I lapped the IHS on my 13900K. And saw roughly 3-5C reduction on the cores. 
 

Most likely I am going to run the “Super cool” direct die setup like all these other guys are running though. 
 

Anyone have a Supercool direct die they’d be willing to sell? 
 

I have heard that 12th gen and 13th gen are the same. 
 

 

 

 

 

I had one and sold it because I was unhappy with how poorly it cooled my 12900K. I sold it on overclock.net shortly after I got it. Maybe it has been redesigned, but the one I received (which was one of the first) was no better than running with the IHS. I was really disappointed because the one I had for 10900K did a wonderful job.

On 5/14/2022 at 3:58 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Well, I installed the Supercool direct die block and my temps are a little bit higher than they were with the copper IHS. The installation was pretty straightforward. The CPU was already delidded, so there wasn't much effort involved. To rule out the possibility of user error on my part, I am going to remove it and check to confirm the liquid metal application was adequate and test once more before I decide if I should go back to using an IHS. This would be the first time ever in my experience that direct die cooling did not result in an impressive improvement. I am impressed with the Supercool 10th Gen direct die block, so I am hoping this is a result of user error and not a flaw in 12th Gen product design.

 

Edit: I had previously done the ILM washer mod so I will also remove them to rule out the possibility that is a factor.

On 7/30/2022 at 9:49 AM, Mr. Fox said:

As soon as I can find a reliable way to go bare die on 12th Gen I will do so without hesitation. It was a bummer that the Supercool Computer 12th Gen bare die block performed poorly. I think it was rushed using past logic and could have been excellent had enough effort been given to the jet plate design. There were not enough fins in the stack. They were too thick and had too much space between them. I really dislike having an IHS. It is an impediment that serves no useful purpose that I can identify.

8 hours ago, ryan said:

I'd buy a Papusan John ksss or Mr fox 4090. This might be a small forum but you guys are giants in the room. Some of the best overclockers that need sponsorship... what do you think.. are you guys down to get sponsored or is that off in the distance

That would be quite a blessing and definitely an unprecedent demonstration of generosity.

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

You're the third person to point me to AmScope. Thank you for telling me it is still working, because some of the user reviews about the boom arm was concerning. I may end up with a AmScope. Thank you for your suggestion, bro. 

After seeing the suggestion for the $700+ AmScope I was almost too embarrassed to say what I use. If I did it for a living, I could probably justify the better product. Maybe a couple of times a year tops is about how often I use it. I don't do enough SMD soldering to justify spending any more that this.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081F64YLB

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

There is 3 files in the folder.

There is going to be a separate file for each GPU/HWID that has been installed in your system, and if you flash a different vBIOS from a GPU with a different HWID that will also create a new file that has to be modded. If you save your settings to one of the profiles, that will also create a new file for each saved profile. The one that applies to your current GPU has its HWID in the file name.

As many video cards as you have played with I am shocked there are not more than three files unless this is a clean Windoze installation.

4 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Here is the Nvidia version, not as bad, but still ugly.

https://www.newegg.com/yeston-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx3080-10g-d6x-ya/p/1FT-007N-00071?quicklink=true

...speechless... but, if I stare at it for a bit...

...disgusting.

31 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Makes sense since you're going to just throw your own heatsink solution on them anyhow. The price and RGB aren't worth it.

 

Glad to see you testing, pushing and binning various sticks out there to separate the wheat from the chaff for clarity.

 

 

They are really nice-looking and seem like a quality product on the surface. In fact, I was thinking I might keep them for the Strix system, but the instability I encountered on the Dark when I tried to tighten up sloppy timings was mirrored on the ASUS mobo. Then I discovered my M-die ran better than the A-die. I did not reset the memory settings before swapping out the modules and lo-and-behold, the Dark booted right up with the G.SKILL A-die settings that were throwing errors and ran them without errors. I was like, WUUUUTTT??? Then, the RGB puke not staying turned off on top of that, and I am like...

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

LOOL.

 

This is the sign of todays tech... Barely better and sometimes more ugly than ever.

Core i9-13900KS Special Edition Appears Barely Faster Than 13900K In Cinebench

AMD Addresses Controversy: RDNA 3 Shader Pre-Fetching Works Fine

And if you put some sugar on todays new tech, then expect some will be damn trilled (Lisa Su's favorite expression)

https://videocardz.com/newz/yeston-radeon-rx-7900-sakura-gpus-officially-introduced-featuring-sugar-cooling-solution

*sigh*

That stuff is beyond ugly... it's fugly *shivers*

16 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I knew I wasn't crazy! I'm trying to understand how the hell Nizzen got those scores.

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/221551-giant-3d-elephant-in-the-room-no-one-wants-to-talk-aboutwhy-is-it-always-me-bringing-this-stuff-to-light/?do=findComment&comment=632843

What is a kingdom without any peasants to lord over? Maybe they'll find out.

When everyone is gone their world records achieved with free cherry-picked hardware won't mean too much. They'll be legends in their own minds, with nobody telling their story or singing songs of praise and adoration to them.

On 12/13/2022 at 1:54 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Well, the Team Group Delta 7200 A-die was buggy and got refunded by Amazon, but the G.SKILL 7200 looks like it might be a keeper. I haven't started any intense tuning. Here's a down and dirty that passes memory stability testing. Not bad considering some of the timings are still sloppy (set on Auto in the Z690 Dark BIOS). Not too shabby for a $300 A-die kit.

I've decided to send the G.SKILL A-die back for a refund. The more I have played with it, I am discovering it is inferior to the generic green M-die sticks I already own. It's less stable, more prone to errors and runs hotter. Plus, the RGB rainbow puke keeps returning and my white color choice doesn't get saved. If I set the sticks to white and shut down the rainbox puke returns unless I boot into the same OS and allow RGB control software to override the default puke. If I boot into any other OS, the rainbow puke is what I get to look at.

I've tested it on the Strix and the Dark motherboards and it's buggy on both platforms. On the Dark with the latest 2.05 BIOS I can run the G.SKILL XMP 7200 profile on my M-die without complications. The read/write/copy and latency are all better using the M-die at the same clock speed. Without lowering clock speed, I can run tighter timings that are stable on the M-die, but they're not even bootable with the A-die. 

The G.SKILL A-die appears to be a low quality silicon variant like the Corsair Vengeance A-die that I returned. The JEDEC default speed is 4800 on both of them, rather than 5600, and they both seem like compromised garbage products. 

I have ordered a pair of generic green Hynix A-die with a default 5600 clock from China on Aliexpress for $100 less than the defective RGB puke options. This appears to be exactly the same product Splave sells on HWBOT.

6 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Pretty depressing, and unfortunately there is no easy way out of this. There has been some regulatory pushback in Europe, and obviously the fairly robust personal data protection via GDPR makes a difference, but the US folks are literally left to their own devices.

Yeah, very much so. We (collectively) have brought this on ourselves in many ways; not the least of which is the ludicrous idea that most people and businesses and governments are essentially good and trying to do what is best for everyone. The exact opposite is true. The only way out of it is for everyone to start paying more attention and begin to deliberately engage in acts of defiance, circumvention and diversion. It won't be easy and I think most people are too enamored with the nonsensical garbage they like and will be unwilling to live without the rubbish packing a hidden payload of filth.

Bottomless pit of evil... Microsoft Pluton... they're coming, guys... remember all my warnings about UEFI in years past? Satanic plans are falling into place, just like a bucket of Legos dipped in feces. Smell my finger, LOL.

Equally diabolical partners in crime... 

People that say this is "tin foil hat" simply aren't paying attention and don't really care about facts. Double-dog dare you to watch both videos from start to finish, LOL. The most nefarious elements of it all are exposed at 12:40 and continues through 17:25, but the added context leading up to it is useful. Wake up people... before you fall into a digitally-induced comatose state of inprisonment.

On 12/17/2022 at 7:40 AM, kojack said:

Anybody have a way to remove the recommended section of the start menu all together?

https://www.startallback.com/ (won't fix any of the serious problems, but takes care of the aesthetic atrocities)

1 hour ago, kojack said:

With the basic copy you don't get the interchangeable styles like mac/os/windows etc correct?  that's only on the pro level?  I am thinking about trying the "lite" version to see how it reacts with the old hardware on my acer. 

It is not quite as full featured, but it will certainly let you test drive and decide if you want the full OS. Or, you can just use the lite/free version and install and alternative DE like KDE, Cinnamon or whatever you like.

2 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Just be aware that Zorin may contain some opt-out telemetry:

 

https://www.linux.org/threads/zorin-os-15-and-privacy-concerns.26415/

Yes. I always elect to opt-out of that kind of thing. Not only with Zorin, but any/all software or OS. I think it should be illegal to have to make a choice to opt-out of anything. You should have to go to extra effort and deliberately opt-in, not deliberately opt-out. Opt-out should be automatic for everything.

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i just hope u wont be too disappointed when getting ur hands on an A770! 

Probably no more than I am with a 3060 Ti or would be with a 6950 XT. Same performance for less money, LOL.

12 hours ago, johnksss said:

And now they are on the 3090 nvlink sli benchmarks....🤦‍♂️

Wow, what the hell is wrong with these people? If I wasn't part of a team that has benefitted from my participation I would just go delete my HWBOT profile and tell them to kiss my butt. I'm about fed up with the tail wagging the dog. 

Did they give you an excuse for blocking your SLI submissions, other than they love having the power to go Nazi on the people that threaten the reign of the elite Chosen Ones?

36 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

ha ok, so its just a time saver then, gotcha. i never really did that kinda clock testing, since im not getting anything out of it, id rather put some time into it and use it for something, i.e. benching or gaming 🙂 

 

 

true, i still remember driving eeeeendleeeeesssssllyyyyyyy long until finally reaching the new mexico border 😄 its huuuuuuuuge 

 

 

lol sold ur house, wife and kids into slavery yet to be able and afford a 4090 Ti HOF? xD

 

 

 

sigh...sucks big time. apparently, AMD's launch stock for 7000 series gpus is roughly 70% XT vs. 30% XTX. and, of course, NOBODY wants the XT. sooooo if all ure left with is a 7900XT or a 4080 then yeah....suddenly the frigging 4080 super crapfest card becomes the most sold gpu. gives me a headache to see such things happening... the more time passes, the happier i am i grabbed the 4090 Suprim X at MSRP, not looking back!

 

here some more background info on this:

 

 

 

 

 

so basically, AMD did not want to seem like Intel and keep their word on releasing stuff on time. at the same time they didnt wanna give Nvidia the upper hand for the end of year sales.

 

what gives me hope is that there might still be a lot of gas left in the tank via driver updates and overclocking (partner models and manual OC) to bring the 7900 XTX closer to where it SHOULD be, namely squarely between the 4080 and 4090, maybe even closer to the latter than the former.

The more I see of this stupid stuff, the more likely it is that there will be an Arc A770 (or the next step up from that) in the near future. 

On 12/9/2022 at 10:28 AM, Eban said:

A new version of Zorin OS with working Nvidia drivers out of the box 

 

Zorin is a really good distro. It works well for me, and 6.2 is the best one yet. The only thing I do not care for with their default DE is the menu is not configurable. I usually install Cinnamon along side the Zorin DE so I can tweak the aesthetics more to my preferences. I do really like the Zorin OS dark theme. I think it looks and feels great.

1 hour ago, kojack said:

System 76. What awesome machines they build. I love the wood on the cases. Very organic and modern unlike most cases today. I just priced a MASSIVE.  Ha ha.  Maybe when I get more work on the creative side of things.  56k ha ha.  I am giving zorin OS a try very soon on my old acer!

Yes, System 76 is a great company with innovative products, not the least of which is Pop_OS! Another excellent distro with working NVIDIA support out of the box. I wish there were more companies like them that gave preference to Linux and furthered the development of Linux as a complete and outright replacement for Winduhz. I think you will love Zorin OS. I am impressed enough that I went the next step and purchased the "Pro" version of 5.9, 6.1 and 6.2. The chances of Linux getting better improve when we support those efforts.

I find I am using Linux less (temporarily) because of poor NVIDIA driver support on kernel 6.X and some of the more recent 5.X kernels. I have reliability issues relating to NVIDIA drivers with the newer 5.X kernels and above, and my two Z690 systems do not have full and proper CPU functionality on 5.X kernels. Clocks are not read correctly, etc. So, I have temporarily paused my zealous pursuit for replacing Winduhz with Linux until that gets sorted.

29 minutes ago, Talon said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234820297885?hash=item36ac61649d:g:d~gAAOSwd49jmffi&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoFkTM%2FWnDgV746xonmuhcKehwoIoRqyNuQ8ZiKJe7DrUEgErU3LIoDoNDONtDwpxKpRpCCM%2Bk3uMRe9oWKVOOI%2B2odGCBP63TOAGT%2FA0YC1mxDMJi21aFrDo%2FBccdREYGcrOoSAk%2BPuFsJrJyacvNtZB5FgRiR%2BrG2oD7JeA6Hm6CBKQios%2BgNsT1Nbxyt54eGYn9M78JEo4NzOdk9EjYEI%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR-jppt6jYQ

 

People are actually paying $1450 for a freaking 7900 XTX reference card. LOL. 🤦‍♂️

Incredible how utterly insane people are. Never ceases to amaze me. "A fool and his money are soon parted." 

34 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Excellent! I hope to get my Z690 Dark built again this week/weekend. I've been down for the better part of this week with the FLU. Thought I had COVID again, but turned out to be FLU A. The kicker is that for the first time in a long time I got the FLU vaccine and then I get a nasty bout of it for the first time in years. Yay. 

Sorry to hear you have been sick. Might have been the flu "vaccine" that caused it. Almost everyone I know that jumped through the hoops with the experimental COVID shots have been less healthy than those that haven't played the guinea pig game.

@Talon

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