Mr. Fox

I loaded an Arc A770 in my shopping cart last night and walked away for a couple of hours. I really want one, but I changed my mind and emptied my cart because I just can't accept the idea of never using Windows 7 again on a system where it is installed, and the fact that enabling CSM/Legacy mode severely cripples it due to Arc's reliance on adjustable bar support to function correctly. I felt very sad, but probably not as sad as I would have been about being forced into doing things I do not want to do. I know that day is coming whether I like it or not, but I'm not OK with embracing it. I will still be resentful and continue loathing the dumbing down of Windows "garbage as a service" when it happens. I'm not going to make my molestation easy.

I'm so glad to not care about Alienware, or for that matter any brand, laptops. Alienware has been producing garbage computers (notebooks and desktops) for a very long time. It seems totally illogical to expect that they would do anything right or good. I hate them all now. I view all laptops as trash. Alienware just tops the list for their mastery of hypocrisy and betrayal. Their fall from grace was a self-inflicted wound.

  

On 11/30/2022 at 9:44 PM, Papusan said:

New test bios out for Asus Z690... v2204 RaptorLake Resources

It is just me, or has ASUS Forums been down for several days now? This is all I see for days now.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

On another note it’s kinda funny how we pick on the 4080 for being $1,200.
 

Because in reality it’s 25% cheaper than a 4090 while only being 29% slower too. That’s not bad. We are literally getting exactly what we pay for. Now it’s about to become even cheaper! 

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

We have had big performance jumps before on xx80 Skus. But not +70% price increase. Mostly 10% up from previous gen. 4080 is a bad value. Very bad value. Take a look on pricing for xx80 and even older x80. If people think a big performance uplift can defend this maybe they deserve it. 

I think it is appropriate that the 4080 is 25% cheaper than 4090. What is not appropriate is the 4090 is overpriced by about $1000. So, they are both ridiculously overpriced and represent a horrible value. Neither one is worth the amount of money they want for them.  Totally absurd. 

I probably still wouldn't buy a new GPU even if the price was appropriate due to lack of Windows 7 driver support. But, certainly not at the asinine current price.

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

Here I am feeding into my storage addiction with a pair of 8TB NVMe drives while everyone is going with new CPUs and GPUs. 

 

I am turning my AMD Threadripper system into a server. I have already replaced the custom water loop with an IceGiant ProSiphon Elite (my first personal "air" cooler in over 15 years), 128GB of TridentZ Neo 3600 DDR4, one Asus HYPER M.2 X16 GEN 4 Card (of which houses two 8TB NVMe drives and two 4TB NVMe drives) and I think I'm going to use the 6900XT in this (since linux plays extremely well with AMD GPU's at this point) and "downgrade" from the EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid. I want to find a "server" style case that can accept 6 to 10 hard drives. 

That sounds awesome. Please share some photos when you have time, and as the project progresses.

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Even scalpers don't want the GeForce RTX 4080 pcworld.com

Scalpers can't sell them, retailers don't want them back, and Nvidia may be forced into an early price cut for the GeForce RTX 4080.

 

The ugly prices got a face😀

Could turn out nice, eventually, for a person that wants to own a second-fiddle GPU. Personally, I only want flagship X090/X090 Ti or budget X060/X060 Ti. The middle-ground mediocrity stuff like X070 and X080 is replusive to me.

A different perspective. 

Also interesting...

 

4000 RPM: https://www.alphacool.com/shop/luefter/luefter/29579/alphacool-core-120mm-luefter-pwm-4000rpm-120x120x25mm

 

3000 RPM: https://www.alphacool.com/shop/luefter/luefter/29578/alphacool-core-120mm-luefter-pwm-3000rpm-120x120x25mm

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Looks like my tracking for the SP110 13900K shows it will be here on 12/12. Gonna be a long little wait. 

Where did you find it?

56 minutes ago, Papusan said:

What did you pay for this one vs the chips you sold? 

I was wondering the same.

31 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

It was $50 more than what I sold

You lost money in the process? Paid $50 more that you sold your last one for? Sounds like a "Mr. Fox" bad luck experience, LOL.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Then you have good binned chips that will use more wattage than average retail chips. Look at Der8auers video of Alder lake. Good binned chips doesn't always mean lower wattage at same clock speed.

Unless it is due to poor silicon quality, more watts usually goes hand-in-hand with more performance. Lower wattage is never a goal for me. Lower voltage is good because it prevents heat, but I don't care how many watts it uses as long as it runs like a banshee. I don't consider low wattage a benefit, only a potential byproduct.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah my idea was to list it at a price I'd be willing to sell and just keep using it while it was listed. I was actually playing WoW when I heard the ching ching of fleabay. I love the card (understatement) but I just can't reconcile sitting on a ~$2k card to play WoW and FO76 as much as I'd like to keep it for several reasons (EVGA last KPE, aesthetics, still games like a monster).

If you don't mind me asking, how much did it fetch? I might follow your example if it sold for enough. Not only do I love how the A770 looks, might be a great way for me to douse the flames of my benching addiction. I am already content with the modesty of the 3060 Ti FTW3 in my work PC. It games well enough and I'm not benching it. (Well, not benching it that much... just a little.)

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I sold my KPE 3090ti last night so I'll be waiting it out with the Strix 3080 till Feb 2023 and beyond before I make any type of decisions. I'm putting the A770 in the wife's rig and A380 in my daughter's rig.

I am tempted to sell my 3090 KPE and Hydro Copper block, replace it with an Arc A770 and pocket the difference.

7 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Thanks a lot for the data point and advice Bro. Good idea with the electrical tape, although in my mind it would be something worth trying when buying on a secondary market. If Corsair can't ensure a power cord fits a brand new flagship unit correctly, what else could go wrong? Or am I asking too much of the manufacturers these days lol?

I think it is an exception or a lucky accident most of the time when something tech-related turns out great. The norm is the opposite. I think they are all capable, but caring is questionable.

It may be the cord itself and not the PSU power socket. My EVGA 1600 SuperNova P2 also has a C19 cord. It fits snugly enough that I have to use a small amount of force to insert or remove it. The original was extremely tight. I am using an aftermarket C19 with a 90-degree connector at the PSU end so my computer chassis can be closer to the wall behind it without putting a kink in the cord. @Etern4l as long as the prongs are snug in the slots it should be fine. You could wrap the outside of the cord with a layer or two of electrical tape if you are wanting to make it fit tighter into the socket.

 

  

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Oh, and congrats on the sale! 🙂

 

Thank you. After eBay extracts their pound of flesh will cover about half the cost of the 3060 Ti downgrade that replaced it.

 

Financially, I was doing better than ever before, and upon the change in regime things are worse than ever before now... at least during my lifetime as an adult. It doesn't require any special analytics to identify that my current mess is unprecedent thanks to Brandon and his woke clown posse. Can't identify a single good, desirable or commendable attribute or success story for American life since these lunatic demoniacs took over.

Just now, Custom90gt said:

Ugh I wish you didn't have to go to ebay to sell this. Nothing like paying a huge fee and then having the government slap you with a 1099k for it.  Glad you sold it though.

Thank you. Yeah, it sucks. 

It is a loss, not a profilt. Everything I sell on eBay was purchased with after-tax income and sold for less than I paid for it. That's how I am approaching it. The 1099 thing is a socialist scheme, diabolically crafted by black-hearted douchebags, to finanically rape and defraud our citizens. Collecting sales tax on used merchandise where sales tax has already been paid is also dishonest. I am not paying income tax on things I sell on eBay because it is not income.

5 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Pictures don't do the A770 justice. It is a beautiful card. One of the best I've seen in build quality, feel and looks. It looks even better in person. On first boot up I just sat there for a few going, "Ohhhh.....so pretty!"

I agree. I really do love the appearance. Performance is also solid for the price. I think it offers excellent value.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

The Barrow AIO have weaker fans and I expect the software is worse than what EVGA offer. I would jump over this one and rather go with EVGA or Arctic AIO. Both offer a better total package. 

 

No doubt the EVGA product is going to be good. Not sure how they would compare on cooling, given the signficant difference in size. I know nothing about the product, just saw an excellent price for a 360 AIO while looking for a modular AIO with a pump on the radiator (but did not find one).

 

No software should be needed for the AIO that is $160 less if you used the motherboard headers or a separate RGB controller (hardware), but regardless, EVGA software is almost always great. It is never UWP dumpster garbage like some of the other RGB software filth. Saving $160 you could certainly afford to buy some powerful fans. 

 

Some of the popular AIOs are getting so expensive that you are pushing into or beyond entry-level custom loop cost range.

4 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I will use them, but only as a credit card processor. I will not have an account with them, and transfer funds to and from any business or person. Thanks for the video, After some research it seems that the cooler is actually an asetek built for EVGA? ahh nevermind, he explains that in the video.

Well, 99% of all AIOs are an Asetek with proprietary features added. I suppose there are not many OEMs that see a point in reinventing the wheel. If I were going to go with an AIO rather than custom loop, I think I would look for one that is modular. I think EK and Alphacool made some at one point, but I don't recall seeing one recently. I would prefer having a normal CPU block and not having the pump at the CPU/block end of the AIO.

 

@Raidermanthis looks like a screaming deal on a 360 AIO.  Huge discount. Probably as good as most in terms of quality and effectiveness. Doesn't look like an Asetek design, but I don't know if it is AM5 compatible. It says "all AMD platforms" but that might not be true since the introduction of AM5.

 

https://www.titanrig.com/barrow-aio-cpu-cooler-with-360mm-radiator-argb-03-15-ba-0106-01-on.html

  

4 hours ago, Raiderman said:

WTF happened to video card prices? Holy Jebus!!! I am not getting a new one with my build at those prices...Stupid how much hardware has increased in the short time I was away.

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I'm not buying a GPU anytime soon. I'm not willing to pay what they want.

Oh, I forgot to mention something. Another reason I am not buyig a new GPU and you might not be aware... None of the new GPUs have drivers that work on Windows 7. I know this is very important to you, too. 

Intel, NVIDIA and AMD no longer provide drivers and there are not "old drivers" for current generation GPUs. At this point in time, I am not willing to give up being a Windows 7 user for the unnecessary priviledge of using an overpriced GPU whose existence is not necessary. To me, this is the single most compelling reason to go with Linux as a Windows replacement. For the time being they haven't moved to the next stage of Nazism by making drivers unavailable for Linux, but I believe they would if they could get away with it. 

25 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

I closed my Paypal account after they "mistakenly" put in their terms of service, that they  reserve the right to fine you if they found that you were spreading "misinformation". They can go suck the south end of a northbound bovine, as far as I am concerned.

 

WTF happened to video card prices? Holy Jebus!!! I am not getting a new one with my build at those prices...Stupid how much hardware has increased in the short time I was away. Ive just about gathered everything, and decided to go with an all in one cooler. Less of a headache. The reviews seem pretty solid at the egg. Has anyone read/heard anything about the EVGA CLCx?

https://www.newegg.com/evga-liquid-cooling-system-clx-280/p/N82E16835288018?Item=N82E16835288018

Almost all large corporations involved in techology, especially where it involves use of the internet, (yes, PayPal falls in that category) is a sick, ungodly, woke leftist retarded mess. Unfortunately, I have to use PayPal for certain things because there is not another option. I'd love to see them, and all the rest like them, go out of business. I am thoroughly enjoying watching the lefty emo-nuts come unhinged over Twitter. It's great to see karma exacting its vengeance on them for all of the evilness they have shown over the past 2-3 years.

 

I'm not buying a GPU anytime soon. I'm not willing to pay what they want. I am thankful that I do not need one. I will just keep using what I have that is already more powerful than it needs to be. They can bob over and plant a wet one where the sun don't shine, LOL.

 

If I were going to buy a GPU today it would be an Intel Arc A770 (assuming I could find one). I tried to find one when I purchased this 3060 Ti and it was not for sale anywhere.

 

EVGA CLCx... I think I remember... yup, found it.

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I hate PayPal… Who else is with me? They never hold my funds. I sold some items last month immediate funds available, and now PayPal is picking on me left and right by holding my funds. I sold something for $150 USD, and they finally released the money 76 hours after delivery 😂
 

I shipped and sold a CPU to Germany for a lot more money. Wonder how long they’ll hold those funds for? It has already been 36 hours since delivery. 
 

Do you guys think PayPal is trying to draw interest or what are they doing? Their policy says payments released 24 hours or 1 day after delivery. But they’re not honoring that policy at all. Seems crazy to me that they can even do that.. They literally just tuck your money in their crack and sit on it. It’s so frustrating. 
 

I’m super off topic, wanting to vent frustration lol. Anyone ever deal with this before though? 

I haven't had any issues with PayPal, but I know others have. Now, eBay, on the other hand... nothing nice to say about that scurvy outfit. I cringe every time I sell something on eBay, clinch my butt-cheeks and pray that I don't get screwed again. PayPal holding your money sucks, but it is an inconvenience. I'd rather have them hold funds a few days selling something versus the highway robbery fees you get screwed out of on eBay.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Do they even test firmware before they push it out? This reminds me all about Microsoft. 

Hello no. None of them (MSI, ASUS, Gigabutt, EVGA) do. They probably make sure nothing is too badly broken and then wait for people to complain about what needs to be fixed. Sometimes they get lucky and everything works. The nice thing about EVGA is I can email their support team and ask for a modification in the firmware, and they do it for me. If I reply that it works well and show them the benefit, they implement it on the next release. No way MSI, ASUS or Gigabutt would do that. They probably would not even give the courtesy of a reply to say no. They don't give a rat's ass about the people that buy their garbage.

  

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I'll see if I find similar cheap fan setup for bottom chassis below the GPU. What I have now isn't on same level in finish🙂

 

 

 

 

I have seen kits with the metal brackets and screws for very cheap, and you add your own fans.

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

DAAYYYUM!

@Talon

My generic green M-die sticks just booted and loaded Windows at 7800... LOL.

 

All I did is load a profile and set boot priority. I haven't tuned anything and it's not 100% stable. But, wow... M-die running like this is pretty great. Eager to see how your A-die runs Brother @Talon.

 

Not ready for prime time. Going back to the old BIOS until they fix a couple of bugs.

 

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

@evga_james - memory overclocking is much better, but I see a couple of problems.

1. Ring/Cache will not go above 45x. I have it set in the BIOS for 47x. In Windows is shows 45x and it does in ELEET. If I try to manually set it to 47x in ELEET, it goes back to 45.
2. All core clocks do not hold in Cinebench. Cores randomly drop to 800MHz across the p-core and Cinebench scores are 10,000 points lower.

Good first stab at it, but those things need to be fixed before it is a usable firmware.

https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3588974

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

Not sure, but probably depending on the GP design. As an idea onhow it works...

 

OK, that makes sense. It is not covering it, but next to it. 👍

 

Yeah, I like that bracket as well. I look forward to hearing what you find out from Lian Li about availability.

2 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Not everyday I see great features added for desktop chassis, but this one was new. I like it. Maybe I can buy one and paint it in the same black color as my Corsair 1000D. Need more info from the owners of this chassis first.

 

10C lower Gpu temp.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-lancool-216-review

I wonder how you can connect the DP or HDMI cables with that fan covering the I/O ports on the GPU?

44 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Edit: Flashed with no issue. Here are the new M-die and A-die profiles from Vince and Luumi.
(Nothing from CENS, but I never liked his profiles anyhow. They always kind of sucked.)

DAAYYYUM!

@Talon

My generic green M-die sticks just booted and loaded Windows at 7800... LOL.

 

All I did is load a profile and set boot priority. I haven't tuned anything and it's not 100% stable. But, wow... M-die running like this is pretty great. Eager to see how your A-die runs Brother @Talon.

 

Brother @Talon - new Z690 Dark BIOS is released. Gonna grab it and test now.

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Edit: Flashed with no issue. Here are the new M-die and A-die profiles from Vince and Luumi.
(Nothing from CENS, but I never liked his profiles anyhow. They always kind of sucked.)

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

HaHa.

 

New has to be better, LOOL

Nothing is too crappy for the gamerboy muppets. The best drivers are the drivers that work best. Doesn't matter whether they are old or new.

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Regarding small chassis. The The H7 Flow Mid-Tower, this is not the smallest mid-tower chassis, then imagine how it is to work in the smaller SFF chassis😀

I would prefer not to think of such terrible things. 😉