Mr. Fox

24 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The E-cores Baby cores don’t have HT. They are just Joke cores designed for weaker mobile laptop chips! With HT they would eat +30% more power and the OC potential would sink as a stone in the Death sea filled with 100% salt😎

I agree. They are "joke cores" indeed. They are literally Intel Atom cores designed for smartphones and tablets. In some systems they actually call them by the correct name in the BIOS, but others refer to them as "efficiency" cores, LOL. You need to overclock at least 16 of them to perform like a stock 8th Gen Intel 8-core CPU with hyperthreading.

23 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

@Mr. FoxHows that surfboard fit in your case? Is someone needing an EVGA DG case?

It has plenty of room. This case is gigantic and doesn't have any cooling components inside of it.. But, that's neither here nor there because I love that EVGA monstrosity of a case. Let's see how much it would cost to ship if it is still available. I will PM you my address.

1 hour ago, Talon said:

@Mr. Fox you got a 4090?! Awesome. Which model? Sorry haven't jumped through the backlog of pages I have here. 

 

Picked up a new BGA toy.

 

I snagged a Suprim Liquid X "sold and shipped by Amazon" for $1799. I had an Alphacool Eisblock Aurora saved in my wishlist ready to move it to my shopping cart as soon as I confirmed that Amazon didn't ship me a dud sample, but now they are sold out everywhere except for an eBay scalper from Italy offering them for $100 more than MyModMods or Performance-PCs.

 

I haven't mounted the radiator or removed any of the protective plastic from the AIO cooler yet because I am hoping the Eisblock Aurora becomes available soon. The AIO radiator is just standing on end, hose-end-up, in the open space in the middle of my gigantic case. The radiator is just sitting on top of a small cardboard box on the floor of the case to keep the water ports on the radiator higher than the pump in the AIO.

  

1 hour ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Hey bro, stuff keeps breaking around these parts so sadly no 😞

 

Currently we are waiting to get a defective 3080 back from service and before that two systems and some non-computer stuff went belly up and we have been relegated to work on that - it is a damn shame.

Oh man, I am so sorry to hear that. I hope my bad luck cooties didn't find you. I remember that ditch you had to run for non-computer issues. That project alone had to be expensive.

 

If things don't work out with the 3080 keep my 3090 KPE in mind as an option. I haven't tried to sell it yet. I want to keep it and sell the shunt-modded 3060 Ti FTW3, but keep reminding myself that selling it and using the money to offset the 4090 purchase is the more intelligent move. I don't need anything more than the 3060 Ti in my work computer. Keeping the 3090 KPE just because it's better isn't the smart thing to do, but neither was buying a 4090, LOL.

1 hour ago, 1610ftw said:

 

I know that design very well with the three m2 / 2280 slots in front next to the battery, same for the 7760. Excellent design and long may Dell keep it.

 

However outside of three workstations from last generation from Dell, HP and MSI even 4 of these relatively slim m2 memory slots seem to be too much to ask these days. We will see what happens later this year when and if new workstations are announced and possibly also some more gaming focused laptops.

 

Hey bro! I've been meaning to ask if you and your son got that beast desktop build done. I've been watching for photos and benchmarks.

8 hours ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

@Mr. Fox is your computer dead? its totally flat lined 😄 

Clock speeds being flat-lined at the speed you set is how all healthy computers behave. The only legitimate excuse for them changing from what you set is thermal throttling to prevent damage from overheating. Dynamic clocking is for pansies. 😜It used to be easier to do that than it is today with so many things being corrupted by weirdos with goofy ideas about how things need to be and the cancer firmware they use to keep us in line and guide us along their path of corruption.

6 hours ago, Etern4l said:

So you overclocked eCores from 4.3 to 4.8GHz and that's stable. Wow, congrats. LN2? 

Totally stable with my 13900K just with ambient water cooling. The only thing that needs to be "special" is avoiding lousy silicon quality. What can make it challenging is when the P-cores are decent and don't require tons of vCore and the E-cores are not and require more, since the P- and E-cores use the same vCore value and can't be set independently. If you could control the vCore independently, it wouldn't be hard to do even with mediocre E-core bin quality. You could just give it more vCore and bump the clocks more. The E-cores don't run fast enough to get hot.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Nice! I might have to give that vBios a whirl. What was the GPU-Z sensor output on that Timespy run?

Core clock frequency was set to 3,060 MHz and averageed  out around 3,016 MHz due to gimping of voltage, Green Goblin cancer algorithms and thermal management limitations of the AIO cooler. I have tested the Gigabutt 600W and Galax 666W vBIOS and neither seems to produce tangibly better results than the stock vBIOS because the power limit is never exhausted. I think the higher power limits are more of a gimmick than a useful feature. As amazing as 4090 performance seems, it is rather pathetic compared to what it would be if we could bump the voltage to 1.200V, 1.250V or 1.300V. That might actually make a 600-666W or even a 1000W 4090 vBIOS useful.

 

I am thinking that the crummiest underbuilt 4090 models are going to run about the same as anything made better as long as the GPU core and memory are not dud samples. I've heard that in some of the YouTube reviews and I think it is accurate because the firmware gimps them all the same way.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Beautiful seeing the KPE Z690 hitting such memory frequencies. I wish it was just a bit cheaper or I would have picked one up. I almost did when they had a combo deal going and included a KB and M for $499.99 but with shipping I still couldn't do the mental math to "math it down" to $400 in my head. 🤣

EVGA fanboy love aside, it doesn't get any better than a Dark mobo. Given the option of choosing between an Apex or Dark of a given chipset, the Dark wins hands-down every time. Every time I think I might want a Z790 Apex, I get flashbacks of my list of crappy outcomes and my golden 10900KF that the incompetence of ASSu$ destroyed. The white-only option helps with the temptation to throw good judgment out the door. It would be more tempting if the Z790 Apex was offered in black.

 

The pricing of both mobos in criminal, but so is the price of anything else worth having. That doesn't make it OK, it is only stating the obvious. That's just the messed up world we live in now. The best of anything made for PC is priced for people that allow passion to override intelligence and good judgment, and the pricing only gets you something that is a little bit less half-assed than normal. (Says the silly senior citizen that spent $1800 on a god-tier GPU that has been meticulously designed to suffer from erectile dysfunction.) The Dark and Apex are not as absurdly overpriced as a bottom-end gamerpunk 4090.

4 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

i just noticed your so called efficiency cores running at 4.8MHz, even native they are at 4.3MHz,
how can anyone call them efficiency cores when they alone run faster then most cpu's from 2 years ago 😄
this 13900k is effectively two CPUs wrapped in one,

I know, right? It's a beast CPU. My cache is set for 50x, too. Things are crazy with clock speeds now. RAM at 8GHz, GPU core at 3.06GHz and VRAM at 24GHz. I wish I could run my CPU P-cores at 24GHz, LOL.

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/29503996 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5198516_

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88956337 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5198521_

 

8 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

@Mr. Fox is your computer dead? its totally flat lined 😄 

damn that's impressive, what more could you ask from todays hardware 👍

what's the score on CB23 single multithreaded run?

This is my best thus far. Once I get the bare die Velocity2 from EKWB (probably end of month) I will work on pushing 6.0+ GHz on all P-cores in Cinebench.

 

I can see what they are saying now, but still do not agree with requiring ECC enabled. This will probably move up in ranking on HWBOT when they finish deleting scores that cannot demonstrate ECC was enabled. It knocks roughly 1,000 points off in Time Spy. My CPU and GPU are both overclocked higher than systems with benchmark scores higher than mine. My physics score is much higher, but their GPU scores are off the charts with ECC disabled. There is no point in my submitting scores that beat theirs with ECC disabled if HWBOT is just going to delete them later like they have done to @johnksssand @Papusanalready.

 

@electrosoft +1600 memory seems stable. No artifacts.

 

Using the Galax HOF 666W vBIOS.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/35634413 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5198499_

 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88953755 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5198507_

 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88954202 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5198509_

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Have you tried an on the edge run knowing it will artifact with it on yet?

 

Not sure why HWBOT is making it a requirement. Just make it optional and I'm sure no one will use it. 🙂

Not yet on the edge run. I put the Gigabutt 600W vBIOS on it and testing now.

 

HWBOT is apparently making a big deal out of it because some of the golden boys with influence got butt-hurt because some peons matched or beat their scores and they claimed the scores were bugged because ECC was not enabled (even though the scores for the golden boys didn't have ECC enabled). Hypocrisy in motion.

 

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/221655-mandatory-systeminfo-555-update-and-new-benchmark-rules-for-rtx40-series/?do=findComment&comment=634934

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Nice! and once you hit 3000+ and +1500 mem you are suddenly going to be hard press to "fish" for better silicon seeing as even some Founders topped out at +1000 mem. It is a literal crapshoot.

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Have you found enabling ECC changes memory overclock capacity or performance?

I answered my own question. ECC garbage really gums up the works. About 6% slower even with a higher overclock. HWBOT sucks for making that a requirement.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sw/339800/sw/339363#

Darn. Nobody except an eBay scalper from Italy has Alphacool Eisblock Aurora in stock for the 4090 Suprim. I can pay more for a Bykski block, but I don't think that is a smart move. I guess I will have to wait until someone has the Eisblock. They were available last week. I think it will more likely be better.

 

Anyone here interested in the 3090 KPE with stock hybrid and Hydro Copper block?

41 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Nice! and once you hit 3000+ and +1500 mem you are suddenly going to be hard press to "fish" for better silicon seeing as even some Founders topped out at +1000 mem. It is a literal crapshoot.

35 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It has no problem with +1500 on memory. I've only tried +135 on core (which put it at 3000), but I think that it is going to be thermally limited until I get a legit waterblock for it and start pumping chilled water through it. I can kind of tell already, LOL.

Definitely voltage limited. Lowering temps is going to be key to working within the gimped 1.100V sissy-boy voltage cap.

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It seems really strange to only see 700W being pulled from the wall on my power meter. I am used to seeing 950W to 980W in Time Spy with the 3090 KPE.

24 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Nice! and once you hit 3000+ and +1500 mem you are suddenly going to be hard press to "fish" for better silicon seeing as even some Founders topped out at +1000 mem. It is a literal crapshoot.

It has no problem with +1500 on memory. I've only tried +135 on core (which put it at 3000), but I think that it is going to be thermally limited until I get a legit waterblock for it and start pumping chilled water through it. I can kind of tell already, LOL.

 

Have you found enabling ECC changes memory overclock capacity or performance?

  

19 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

I'm not saying a reason is strictly necessary, but

a) Clearly, it's a question of probability that a need might arise, and this will vary by area, for example

b) In places where most people don't carry arms, it might get taken the wrong way, or put people who don't carry or even own a gun off. Simple as that.  

There are some cities where it might freak some people out if they are in a liberal anti-gun state, but that kind of place is where you actually need it the most. The crime is a helluva lot worse in those places. I would imagine in foreign countries where firearm ownership is severely restricted or banned it would really make people freak out since only outlaws and cops have them. I live in an open-carry state that requires no permit, so it would not freak out anyone else. It's as normal as breathing air and drinking water. Only the anti-gun Nazis have a problem with it, but they should find a new place to live so it doesn't bother them.

  

24 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Facebook is one step removed from craigslist at this point.

And, I think that is being kind. I have better success selling on Craigslist. Every time I have tried to sell something on Facepoot Marketplace the people have all been very goofy, and usually didn't show up for an appointment to see/buy what I was selling.

 

I can't say too much because I have a wife, other family and co-workers that spend a fair amount of time on Facepoot just as a means of checking in on people they care about, but IMHO is it crawling alive with weirdos and I want no part of it. I know I can block everyone I don't want to associate with, but I don't want to patronize Zuckerbutt's Meta(stasized) filthbook.

The 4090 seems like it is probably a decent sample. I literally just got it and installed it. I will do some more testing to confirm it's not a turd before ordering a waterblock for it tomorrow.

 

Stock:

OC'd:

  

3 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Why do you feel a need to do the transaction armed? Is it a matter of principle, or do you feel like you could get robbed at gun point near a police station why selling a graphics card or something like that?

The best reason to is because you can, and no other reason is necessary. Never know when you might need it, even if for a reason unrelated to the reason you are there. Always better to have it and not need to use it, than need it and wish you hadn't left it at home.

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

An interesting story and a question for you all.

 

I had someone message me on FB Marketplace about a GPU I have for sale. I noticed the profile was completely sparse. Interesting. The person haggled per normal but we agreed on a price. He asked about meeting in a city between him and I (he supposedly lives in Mass.). I told him I normally deal in the surrounding cities because I only meet near Police stations and I notify the police dept of the city I am heading to ahead of time to let them know I am legally armed and I will be in their city (this protects me in several ways in this very leftist state). His messaging tone changed. 

 

I told him I could meet him in a different city (ten minutes away from the city he suggested). He quickly changed his mind. He told me it was too far and he's now going to be pressed for time after work. Strange.

 

I do tell all of my potential in-person buyers that I am armed. I rather they know ahead of time before seeing me in person with my holstered weapon. Should I stop doing this? Telling buyers that I am armed? If you were going to meet with someone to buy something from them and they openly told you they were legally armed, would that cause you to cancel the transaction?

That is a strange story. I would keep telling them if open carry, just so they don't freak out and think you have nefarious intentions. If concealed carry, then I would not tell them. Kind of defeats the purpose. I would not cancel the transaction if it were me. The fact that you are telling them prior to the meeting should dispel any notion that you have evil intentions. But, some people are just flipping idiot weirdos when it comes to firearms, so it would not surprise me if the person is a gun control Nazi that they might cancel the meeting. I've heard stories about restaurant owners that are anti-gun goofballs that refuse to serve people that are carrying a handgun even if they have a permit. They would not deserve to get any of my money, even if I were not carrying.

52 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Memory clocks are right where they should be and above average overall at +1500 stable ~+1600 for benching compared to the trash heap that second card topping out at +700. You may have tried another and been very happy with it but that initial sour taste means Asus is up next.

Hopefully mine will be at least that good. If not, it's going back to Amazon for a refund. Will know later today. It has been sitting at UPS since Tuesday on delivery hold since I was out of town until last night. Maxing out at +700 is unacceptable. Premium price demands a premium product, and that is garbage. 

3 hours ago, ryan said:

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

benching... only. I don't need one for anything else other than beating my best 3090 scores. For gaming, I don't even need the 3090. I am content with the gaming performance of the 3060 Ti at this time.

yeah I bought a 3060 it handles everything at 1080p and alot of games at 4k and 1440p. but im just benching these days. that 3060ti should be good for gaming for quite some time if your just doing 1440p/1080p

 

it handles the next big engine (45fps) and thats about it. you really dont need more than 45fps but 60-120 is nice

 

 

 

I played several hours of Crysis 3 Remastered last night on my laptop and the Quadro P5000 handled it with ease, even with all of the eye candy enabled.

22 minutes ago, ryan said:

if you own or want a 4090 what are you aiming for? 1440p? 4k?

benching... only

 

I don't need one for anything else other than beating my best 3090 scores. For gaming, I don't even need the 3090. I am content with the gaming performance of the 3060 Ti at this time.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yep, even with a bigger chassis as the big hype... 17,3 now 18" chassis size they couldn't offer a increase in power. And bigger cooling cost money. This is intended... They want you back in the stores fast as hell when next gen crippled models is out. The more castrated... The easyer is it to push you over on next gen Jokebooks. 

 

It is a mistake to judge a book (or a notebook) by its cover. Small size usually means compromise and diminished capacity. Being big on the outside does not mean big on the inside, or big performance. If the guts are no better than the small turdbook it is going to run like a small turdbook. It is more than probable that the extra size will include wasted/unused space to accommodate a larger screen and keyboard, but not a more robuse motherboard or an excellent cooling system.

1 hour ago, 1610ftw said:

 

We live in sad times when excellence is at most relative and at worst just mediocrity pretending to be excellence. Clevo is doing it with even less shame than others with the X370 and with them I find it to be the most disappointing. I am pretty certain they will suffer for having done that as top of the line Clevos were all socketed for several generations.

 

All laptops should ship with a protective skin like this one by default. It applies universally.

27 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

The revolutionary part is that today more than ever mediocrity can be sold as superiority. This takes on an Orwellian quality as of late with zero progress or regression being sold to the customer as some stupendous improvement.

 

I guess that all major laptop manufacturers except for Clevo have the advantage of having stopped really powerful designs years ago so now they can celebrate mediocrity as something to be applauded as they had these in between years that were even worse.

 

MSI is as guilty as any company as it is beyond silly to sell the exact same power envelope as last year as revolutionary. They did not even bother to go with a small increase to let's say 260 or 275W as I can only assume that manufacturers have formed some secret cartel of mediocrity whereby no manufacturer is advertising more than 250W combined for CPU and GPU so that they can all continue to offer their thin and light "behemoths" as the gullible call them.

 

The result is that now we have 18" screen laptops with a chassis that has less volume than former 15.6" workstations.

As it looks like the exception is the Alienware 18m which seems to be bigger but with its own strange shortcomings despite its weight and dimensions.

100%... Well said, Brother. Yup, each will rise to their own level of incompetence. There is not a single shred of awesome or excellent to be found.

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

@Mr. Fox What is revolutionary with a power delivery system that can deliver up to 250W combined power in laptops? This is even less than what the single 980 laptop graphics card from 2015 consume by its own when oc'd. 

 

MSI's New Gaming and Creator Laptops: A Quantum Leap in Performance and Aesthetics
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Die-neuen-Gaming-und-Creator-Laptops-von-MSI-Ein-Quantensprung-in-Leistung-und-AEsthetik.688417.0.html

 

MSI OverBoost Ultra technology in the Titan GT77 HX is a revolutionary power delivery system that can provide up to 250W of combined CPU and GPU power for unhindered gaming and productivity on the go.

 

 

The part that is revolutionary is the widespread celebration of lameness and mediocrity. All they need to do is say it is special for the sheeple to get excited. It doesn't matter that it is a lie because its success is derived exclusively from the ignorance of consumers.

My friends are mostly here. I have never met most of them/you. My friends that are not here are those that I like to be around when I have the luxury of choosing who I want to be around.

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

@Mr. Fox I wonder if #9 on the boot enjoying my new Gold equal as me

If you mean this... Probably not very much.