22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This one also taste sweet... That WHEA 17 issue I was dealing with that I thought wasn't related to this is looking like it was caused by a faulty 12VHPWR cable from CableMod. I've switched back to the Nvidia adapter and my issues have gone away (for now). Someone else with the same exact error found this to be the cause of their display losing signal and crashing and are in the process of an RMA from CableMod.

 

So don't throw away the hated Nvidia cable salad😀

That is the one you were using on the GPU you returned?

I have the basic plastic $20 CableMod cable and it is working OK. None of the nicer sleeved "Pro" cables were available. Which type do you have? I have a sleeved Pro version on order.

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Does this looks better? Only for the chosen one. And all the talk about fair competition. Isn't it sweet?

It is not competition. It is staged/rigged and the selected players are predestined for having the illusion of greatness bestowed upon them. The only way that they can make sure things go according to plan is by keeping secrets and denying access to those not selected. There is no intent that anything be fair, only that things happen exactly as planned.

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This doesn't look good. 

 

PSA: Corrosion Happening on ASUS ROG Z690 Formula VRM Block, Company Remains Silent

I've been using the ASUS ROG Z690 Formula motherboard in all my recent CPU water block reviews, and also detailed it here for a specific EK VRM bridge block article. While the board has reached end-of-life status at ASUS internally, the company's customers are only just starting to face problems. The board's unique selling point is that it comes with an optional CrossChill EK III hybrid VRM thermal solution, which is effectively a waterblock for your VRMs to keep them cool at all times. Based on ASUS's official advertisement of "nickel-plated" and EK's involvement, everybody assumed that the material used is nickel-plated copper, but it turns out it's something different, most probably nickel-plated aluminium.

This is not the first time that ASUS has failed the material mix in their watercooling products. The first generation ROG Formula motherboard VRM blocks used plated-aluminium that introduced corrosion when added to a watercooling loop that has copper/brass/steel components elsewhere. Mixing metals in a watercooling loop is a bad idea and will result in galvanic corrosion from the different electrochemical potential of the metals. This can result in the block etching off and flakes/chunks getting in the loop to create an increasingly worse reaction with the coolant used. This can lead to blocked channels and even pump failure due to the corroded materials jamming the impeller.

    

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Yikes! That looks really bad.

It looks like the Trio and Suprim Corsair XG7 blocks are now available for order. I believe I will be getting one from Corsair, but do not have confirmation yet. Now I wish I had not ordered the Barrow block, LOL.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Custom-Cooling/Blocks/GPU-Blocks/Hydro-X-Series-XG7-RGB-40-SERIES-GPU-Water-Block/p/CX-9020021-WW

I will use this as a baseline to compare thermals with the stock AIO versus full GPU block. 20 loops of Port Royal got it pretty toasty. 75°C ambient temperature, all stock except max fans set manually.

GPU Core Temp Max:	62.3°C
GPU Hot Spot Max:	78.1°C
Memory Temp Max:	72.0°C
GPU Power Draw:		444W

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/89176892

1 hour ago, ssj92 said:

Guys, I have a question. 

 

So I have 3x 980Ti and I am trying to do 3-way SLI. I only have a 2-way and 4-way bridge. 

 

I tried using the 4-way bridge but it says SLI connector missing and only SLI's the first two GPUs. I tried flipping the bridge and also tried skipping the first connector and trying connectors 2, 3, 4 instead and same thing. 

 

Can the 4-way really not be used for 3-way SLI? I don't have a 3-way SLI bridge lol 

 

I am not sure of the answer because I have never had more than 2-way SLI. Maybe @johnkssscan answer, or know where you can get a 3-way SLI bridge.

I'm starting to have second thoughts about selling the 3090 KPE. I want the money more than the GPU right now, but I might regret it later. I'm thinking I should be able to get about $400 for the 3060 Ti FTW3 given it has a waterblock and shunt modded (and still has the original air cooler available). Thoughts? I could also separate the two, sell the block by itself and the GPU for a bit less, say $350.

I had to take the backplate block off for now because I can't fit the side panel on the case with the elbows on facing the glass. If I keep it, I will figure a new way to route the tubing to include that. Probably route the return line through it first, (in series versus parallel as I had it before,) then exit the case.

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, you are correct bro Fox, but I feel I get some more value back from Galax than from Asus anyway. And this card should be easy to  sell in the second hand market later. + I have never looked on cards like 4080 and SKUs below in the 4xxx linup.. Its what it is. This was the only option I had. Paying etc 1500$+ and upwards for a Asus 4080 or equals custom AIC cards would be pure stupidity.

I think it is definitely the best option. I don't like how it looks, but for overclocking it should be the best option available and aesthetics are secondary. I also like the idea of choosing most brands over ASUS anyway. (But, you already know this.)

32 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Finally got the shipment of my 4090 HOF card confirmed. They sent it out today. And this will be my first ever HOF card😎 And I have now ordered the second needed 12VHPWR cable form Be Quiet. 

 

 

Bro @Mr. Fox The somewhat special 4090 HOF design is growing on me😎 I think I can handle the weird white design😆 Maybe I should re-name my all Black box to Black&White now, LOOL

 

Could be Galax wanted to be sure the "double chance" of fire introduced by Nvidia could be reduced/eliminated, HaHa 

 

 

And I can put the screen different places in the box. No need to mount the screen directly on the card itself. Fixed magnet fastening on the card. Maybe I should put in the  Puke video to show up in the HOF panel?😆

 

Btw. Found Asus Rog Strix 4090 OC in another Norwegaian webshop. In stock. But more expensive than the 4090 HOF card😵

 

Wonderful. Congratulations.

9 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

Not going to lie, I am a bit jealous. Congrats on the card. While we joke that since EVGA has left the GPU industry, no one else can measure up, the HOF cards are the only ones that went head to head with the KP cards. 

 

I can't wait to see what you can do with it.

The key to being extraordinary will be in unlocked voltage. Hopefully, Galax hasn't surrendered to the Green Goblin in that regard. Build quality aside, that has been the only reason the Kingpin and HOF GPUs have been able to shine. Without the voltage control they're just an extremely overbuilt GeFarts GPU that has been emasculated like the belly-button gamerboy variety.

I love it when accountability runs full circle and bad people get pantsed in public. I hope they go to jail after the smoke clears. They really deserve to. If you don't want to watch the entire clip, the really fun stuff that makes me happy starts at about 9:35. I just love Marjorie Taylor Greene... that lady rocks. She rips them a new posterior orifice and I thoroughly enjoyed watching it.

On 2/11/2023 at 4:55 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I did jump on the Disney boycott and canceled my Disney+ subscription a couple of days ago. The disgusting filth and utterly diabolical propaganda they attempt to brainwash our children with is beyond evil. 

On 2/11/2023 at 5:24 PM, ryan said:

Wait I'm subbed to Disney.. what did they do?

Injecting ludicrous nonsense like critical race theory, wokism, rainbow nazism and leftist world views into programming for young children. 

We live in a very sick, sick world and it is reaching a point of utterly diabolical absurdity... normalization of extreme stupidity and portraying corruption as being socially acceptable.

As we have already said/heard, the only NVIDIA upgrade is a 4090. 4060 will be an expensive downgrade from 3060. What a joke.

Sometimes change is not good. Sometimes saying "no" is the only correct answer. What I find most puzzling is the notion that anyone would want to deliberately reward Micro$lop's behavior when punishment and rejection and financial losses are what they deserve. Otherwise, you'll get more of the same, or worse.

Not particularly entertaining, but this guy clearly articulates the reason most Windows users would decide to make the switch. If you can listen to a very calm and dry 10-minute dialogue, I think most of us will find that his comments resonate with us. If you are ADD/ADHD like me, it's going to be hard to watch.

This should be a non-issue. If you are still using a 486 PC using an old kernel should not be the end of the world. In fact, it would probably work better on a kernel from 10 or 15 years ago. I can't imagine anyone still using such an old PC for anything other than novelty and nostalgia purposes.

7 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

 @Etern4l

What's up with the time inconsistency error? 

That is a RTC bug that occurs often with W8, W10 and W11 on older hardware. It is a Windows bug that Micro$lop has never fixed.

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I said earlier it was coming from Fontana, but it's actually Fresno. The GPU itself shipped from Fontana.

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

You said it's coming from Fontana? Is that the seller or some sort of warehouse?

11 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Fontana, California I believe.

The water block is coming from Fresno. My GPU shipped from the MSI distributor in Fontana and I accidentally said Fontana earlier when talking about the water block. I have purchased from the eBay seller in Fresno before and he seems to sell a lot of Barrow and Bykski parts.

I am not particularly fond of the busy-looking backplate. I much prefer the plain-jane slick black aesthetic with out any kind of holes or slots cut outs and just the tiny Alphacool logo that the Eisenblock would have provided. I said earlier it was coming from Fontana, but it's actually Fresno. The GPU itself shipped from Fontana.

I don't know if it will come with a black or silver backplate. The eBay listing did not specify that.

4 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Picked up a new WD Black 1TB nvme....seems pretty freaken fast 🙂

 

Yeah, that's really crazy fast.

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, benching should be for fun. Not points. And the ranking have been screwed up many years, so....

In some ways it was more fun when I was benching and didn't even know about HWBOT. I didn't have to worry about special screenshots and a list of do's and don'ts, or legalistic nonsense. If anyone didn't like what I posted they could kiss my hind end... didn't care whether they liked it or not. That's one reason I like running game benchmarks.

Just now, Papusan said:

Yep, I know. But it will come a flood of them and they will stay there until one report them or the mode team catch it. The ranking and points will never be correct as it is now with the ECC mess.

I bet they go in the order of ranking and the "golden boys" will be the last to gets theirs deleted, or they will conveniently get overlooked in the purging process.

It's going to be interesting to find out how high this sucker will clock on a chilled water block. Getting "hot" it's still averaging 3126MHz on core, LOL. I am going to have to try more than +1600 on memory, too. Maybe it will do +1700 or more.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/89118436

46 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

of curse it will ECC is additional processing layer which defeats the whole premises of running a bench,
for other application it is critical when its reliable stability they are after for implementing ECC on a server not for benching bleeding edge performance,

 

lets call a spade a spade the developers made a booboo and the only way to ensure result is to enable ECC so they can get a readout they can reliably analyze, in simple word their bench software cant keep up, is that a fair assumption? 

Sounds about right to me. It's just like the stupid Benchmate thing. Add a bunch of extra crap that creates system overhead and slows things down just to try and stop cheaters from cheating. It's ridiculous. Expecting people to self-moderate their benchmark scores is also kind of unrealistic. Where do you start splitting hairs on what is acceptable versus unacceptable? I mean, you can have a bugged out score that is inflated a little bit and hard for anyone to tell if it is accurate or not, and then you have those where it is totally obvious that it is not accurate.

49 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I'm really liking this GPU. I still hate how overpriced it is, but dang... nice overclocking device.

 But, I do remember one of the reasons I have never like AIO coolers. Those stinking hoses really suck compared to a custom loop. Very limiting on where you can put the radiator. My case is too huge for it to reach the front panel, so I temporarily removed one of the 200MM fans and mounted this to the roof of my case to help exhaust the hot air. I hope to have a block on it in the next 24-48 hours.

I never knew they had a thread for this because I don't spend much time crawling through threads at HWBOT Forum. I cross-posted in the thread designed for it.

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/203413-if-you-want-your-score-to-be-deleted-ask-here/?do=findComment&comment=636481

I'm really liking this GPU. I still hate how overpriced it is, but dang... nice overclocking device.

I found there is like a dead spot of instability between about 3020MHz and 3060. If I set an overclock in that range it bugs out, but if I push past it to like 3105 or 3120MHz it doesn't crash the benchmark. 

7 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Below means it's enabled right? 23.5GB. Above means ECC is off 24.5GB

2 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, ECC Enabled eats some of the vram. 
 

A typo above. Write on a phone. 

Evidently a driver glitch. Maybe a TDR error tripped it off or something. See what I posted below.

This one is valid.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/89116421 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5201316_

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

So that's with ECC off right?

No, but it is probably a bugged run. I ran one right behind it that was just a few points less than your last submission. I forgot to take a screenshot with NVCP open so I am trying to get another buggy run with the screenshot showing it enabled.

Edit: I think what might be happening is ECC enabled sometimes glitches and disables itself.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/89115387

So, I ordered a Barrow GPU block. I was going to wait for a Alphacool Eisblock Aurora, but found a thread on Reddit where someone that had one discovered there are two VRM chips that have no cooling (totally bare). The cold plate totally missed them. They even took a picture showing it with the block installed, and that's a definite way to end up with a dead GPU. Most likely the issue is they used the MSI Trio as the basis for the block design. It has the same PCB as the Suprim, but it does not have any VRM components there, just empty solder pads where they would be on a Suprim.

Then, the Bykski block for one of the 4090 models doesn't allow proper seating of the 12VHPWR cable because it presses on the tab for the latch and keeps it from latching. You'd have to carve a notch into the acrylic to create clearance for the tab in order to fix it.

I am not going to spend $350 on an EKWB or Phanteks GPU block, so that leaves Corsair and Barrow. It's coming from Fontana, CA so I might have it tomorrow or Wednesday.

https://www.reddit.com/r/watercooling/comments/y3pizh/rtx_4090_block_compatibility_spreadsheet/

@Papusancongrats on the Galax HOF 4090. It should be a really great overclocker. Hopefully, it's performance will be more than enough to cause you to forget about the silly color choice and its hideous aesthetic qualities. Maybe at least one company will make a GPU block for it, so that might fix that issue for you. The PCB will still be white, but that would fix the other aesthetic issues.