Mr. Fox

Hot  off the presses, with Vince talking about EVGA's GPU secrets.

45 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

I have no idea why editing my above post did what it did.?? Big lo g space....sorry

Are you using a smartphone? Stupid stuff like that happens to me when I do. Simply edit the post and delete all of the extra space.

24 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

TBH the fact that they hired him kind of reflects poorly on AMD. What has he achieved in those 3 years? Guess may have helped get more AMD-powered laptops to the market? Best case scenario probably.

Yes, it absolutely does. They made a very bad decision and it makes them look bad for making it. Whether it was due to being misinformed, or because they enjoy having deceptive people on staff, is anyone's guess.

47 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

With what @Mr. Fox and @johnksss have said, maybe i wont be benching anymore. Sounds like it's going the way everything else is in this world. Limited choice, high prices, rules that only apply after the golden children have uploaded their scores.....smh. Benching was fun as in as little as a few years ago. Silicon released at near max frequencies, gpu's with crappy memory clocking, and being stuck with crappy versions of windows all relates to greedy corporations wanting full control over everything you purchase. Sorry to say, it's only going to get worse.

It is very discouraging. A big reason for it is that the people in control of everything don't care about enthusiasts, don't share our passion for overclocking and don't really understand what makes us tick. The politically-based cliché applies here as well as politics... "elect a clown, expect a circus" and to that I say "not my circus, not my monkey" LOL. The difference is, we don't get to vote on the clowns that are in control of the technology, so we can't blame our friend and neighbors for the messes their stupid decisions caused.

Well, the Team Group Delta 7200 A-die was buggy and got refunded by Amazon, but the G.SKILL 7200 looks like it might be a keeper. I haven't started any intense tuning. Here's a down and dirty that passes memory stability testing. Not bad considering some of the timings are still sloppy (set on Auto in the Z690 Dark BIOS). Not too shabby for a $300 A-die kit.

@Raiderman

Sharp-looking pickup, bro. My favorite color, too. (And, the least appropriate color for the dusty blast furnace that I live in, LOL.)

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Azor or some salesmen can't be trusted. 

I automatically believe the opposite of whatever Azor says. 

4 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I may just get a 6950xt, or just stay with my 6600xt. I don't do any 4k gaming, I just play now and then. I was hoping to kind of future proof this rig a little, but I'm not paying those prices for an upper level card. I would have been willing to pay 1000 to 1200.

Just take your time with it. If you're not benching and what you have does what you need it to well enough, save your money and wait for the prices to fall. They probably will. Depending on how long it takes for idiots to max out their credit cards, it might happen sooner or may take a while. I mean who would have thought that I would own a 3060 Ti or that I would entertain the idea of buying an Arc A770? Even I would not have believed it until a year or so ago. When I bought the 3090 KPE and began to reflect on what benefit I got for spending my money (or what little benefit if you look at it that way) it caused me to reflect on things and adjust my perspective. I spent a lot of money and got something that wasn't a whole lot better than ordinary. Based on what I spent, it should have been a golden sample. While it was better than average, it wasn't nearly as special as the price tag would have suggested it should be and less than what I deserved to receive for paying the extra premium.

Do I want a 4090? Hell yeah, of course I do. But, it's a really poor value and unless I got extremely lucky with a golden sample that allowed me to be successful at benching against "the chosen ones" that get cherry-picked silicon for free, chances are fairly good I am going to regret having burned a really huge wad of cash on a run of the mill ego-crazed gamerboy's cracker jack trash card. I'm not saying that my foolish side might not eventually rationalize the decision. That could happen. But, the final outcome (speaking of the regret over the money spent) will probably turn out the same.

13 hours ago, johnksss said:

And so it begins.... They just blocked a bunch of my scores. I think I'm bout done with benching...

Sounds like your disappointment with things is similar to mine. Sorry to hear that, but it is what it is. I never expected it to be cheap, but when you have to pay far too much money to get something that may turn out to be an overpriced piece of garbage, then have the fun taken out of benching on top of that... what's the point? If it isn't fun any more, then I guess there is no point. Fun was the basis for it in the first place. 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Oh then I'm good.... no way I'm heading into Philly area during rush hour traffic. 🤪

 

Man, that sucks on the scores. 😞

 

 

Just wait till after the holidays. If you've gone this long without an upgrade what's a few more months? I won't be buying or doing anything till Feb or most likely March as I'll be on the road for most of Jan, back for a few weeks then right back out for another 2-3 weeks living off my laptop and ipad.

 

Things will settle down around March (in theory) and I'll see about picking up a new GPU.

 

6600xt should tide you over till late Q1 2023.

Exactly. Very similar to my comments to Brother @Raiderman. Don't let the money burn a hole in your pocket. Just wait for the kill. You can shoot when you see the whites of their eyes.

On 12/10/2022 at 12:57 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I would be SHOCKED if that did not happen. It is almost guaranteed and taken for granted. Scalpers may be one of the few sources available and I expect they will try to match 4090 prices. I doubt anyone will be able to buy an AMD card for anywhere close to MSRP unless they are in a town with a Microcenter. Screwing the public is one of the value-added services they are happy to provide at no additional charge.

LOL, did I call it or what? Very predictable. I wish I would have been wrong about this, but I always expect the worst when it comes to how companies treat consumers. That's just the sad world we live in now. If what you want is desirable, chances are great that you're going to get screwed and it should be almost taken for granted that you will get hosed on the price. They use "supply and demand" as the excuse to legitimize their thievery, but let's make no mistake about it... just good old fashioned greed and price-gouging with little or no connection to supply and demand. They'll charge as much as stupid people are willing to pay. Prices will go down only when overpriced inventory stops moving.

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Don't hate on the Zotac "trash" card. 😂

Out of all of the air-cooled 4090 cards I think it is the nicest looking as well. I'm not buying one because they're just too damned expensive to entertain the idea, but if I were going to I would probably go with that one. The money saved can be put toward a waterblock.

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Sorry all. My first videon on youtube and I forgot allow comments. It's open now for those of you that want add an cooment on the screemy fan. 

 

I like form over function. Have always done.  But with all the noise around 90db I expect to get mooore cooling performance from it😁 And the sound is awful. Probably one of the worst I have heard. And it come for cheap. Always a reason for that.

C'mon now... we know you value function over form. You should. I do, too. Form is nice. Function is essential. Balance is nice when you can achieve it.

But, those fans are just ridiculous, LOL. I would even go as far to say so ridiculous that function is impaired. The unbearable noise is a functionality limitation. You have to run the fans slower to not have your ears bleed and that reduces their capacity.

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX and XT Review: Shooting for the Top RDNA 3 dons a halo for its coming out party tomshardware.com

From the article from Tomshardware...

 

That's what we used to see: a big jump in price for the final, relatively small performance increase. Both Nvidia and now AMD have apparently ditched that approach this generation.

 

We can't help but think the past two years of GPU shortages has led some of the bean counters into thinking graphics cards should cost more. Street prices are likely to be over $1,000 for most of the 7900 series custom AIB designs, unless the supply is so good that it outstrips demand.

If sales are slow that could also drive lower prices as we saw with AM5 CPUs.

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But for under a grand, right now the RX 7900 XTX delivers plenty to like and at least keeps pace with the more expensive RTX 4080. All you have to do is lose a good sized chunk of ray tracing performance, and hope that FSR2 can continue catching up to DLSS. 

Oh, is that all? [sarcasm]

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 There are some edge cases, but by and large if you want to learn about anti-woke topics you willl be well served. Other more hardcore topics will still be banned, but it's hard to argue that's unreasonable after the atrocities of WWII.

What they are doing certainly doesn't come anywhere near the order of magnitude of the WWII atrocities and can't be compared to that, but the approach with the censoring and agenda-driven information (disinformation) control is remarkably similar. This is unacceptable and totally contrary to normal American life, not to mention unconstitutional and illegal. They are basically blocking everything that is true, accurate, normal and mainstream and replacing it with extreme woke, hard left nonsense... wickedness on steroids. They shroud their agenda in a fake presentation of being anti-racism and anti-hate when it is exactly that they are guilty of. Totally ludicrous.

Wow... still down?!? Seems like something more than "service enhancements" because it is taking a crazy long time. Wonder what the deal is? Maybe trying to keep the lid on something they don't want exposed for discussion in their forum? Or, maybe a mishap that wiped everything out? Neither one would be good.

1 minute ago, Etern4l said:

 

Paradoxically, the problem with these platforms is they are designed to serve you (almost) exactly the content you would love to see. You will rarely be provided with alternative viewpoints. The idea is to reinforce your entrenched views and push you into one of the extremes, where are you are predictable and thus easy to control. Divide and conquer. 

 

If you are into right-wing content, you will receive so much of it you will be constantly shivering with excitement and coming back for more. 

 

The only way a person with some agency left can defend themselves (short of geting completely off the grid lol), is to take sufficient measures to prevent tracking and targretting. Tip: Privacy mode is insufficient. 

The problem is the censoring, and in particular, the censoring of everything that doesn't fit their extreme left woke socialist agenda. It forces people from the center to move hard left or right, moreso of the latter.

Just now, Papusan said:

The only good with this, is more options to the people. And this may help Nvidia to change their awful prices for mid high end. But this AMD launch won't speed up the release of 4090 Ti. 

I still haven't forgiven them for back-stabbing 3090 owners with the 3090 Ti. I hope they never release a 4090 Ti and stop the financial shell game. It's not welcomed and merely shows what a sucky greed-driven outfit they are.

13 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

What I gather from all of these 7900 XTX reviews is that AMD does, in fact, challenge the 4080 in everything besides RT. We all expected that.

 

What I find interesting is no one is talking about the frequency these cards are hitting. They are averaging 2.675 at stock. I have yet to see an overclock video on the XTX but based on the evidence and if you can use the MorePowerTool/Red BIOS Editor, I am sure these things are going to hit over 3k. 

 

Now I am a bit more interested in these cards than before.

If they overclock well (TBD) it could dramatically change things. I have always cared a whole lot more about how well a CPU or GPU overclocks than I care about how it runs stock. If it runs great stock and sucks at overclocking, then I have no interest in owning it. It's boring and I don't do the "everyone gets a trophy for participation" thing. That is also frequently used as a lame excuse that [insert brand name] is giving their customers the best by leaving nothing on the table for overclockers which is baloney. If it were true, it would mean there would be many failures, malfunctions and RMAs as the poor silicon samples can't function properly at stock spec.

The Linux support is compelling by itself if you are a Linux user. If they wanted to really open a can of whoop-ass on the Green Goblin they would include Windows 7 support. They would have an instant following and demonstrate they care more about the people that own their products than being an obedient muppet that licks the boots of the Redmond Retards.

26 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Just to point out: it's just a random guy talking - at no point do you get any original source information from this. 

 

The second video seems a bit better, at least some plausibly looking pieces of source info, although obviously would take a considerable amount of time to verify. 

 

 

 

I generally view the need to verify misbehavior by the internet Nazis like Twatter, Facepoot, Goober and YouPoop as an unnecessary denial of what is already obvious to those paying attention. Also very hard to verify what they do because it is always so deceptive, secretive and misrepresented. What is more revealing is how deep and wide the scope of their evil plan and devices were and are. I am super glad that Musk is releasing all of the dirty garbage from the former Twatter Gestapo. It certainly puts things in perspective.

More from the Twitter Files...

I ordered a kit of Team Group Delta 7200 A-die. It is being returned for a refund. It is unstable and fails memory tests with errors and BSOD on both of my Z690 systems running at rated settings and only worsens with tuning efforts. Oddly enough, my M-die can run all of the Delta 7200 timings at 7200 with no errors and higher read, write, copy speeds and lower latency. My manual overclock of the M-die at 6800 performs as well or better than their XMP profile. The only way I could get it stable was to reduce the speed to 6800 and then it was slower than my generic M-die.

I have had several TG Delta M-die kits that were fantastic, but this Delta A-die kit is rubbish. Kind of disappointing that it is not as good as my generic green M-die.

11 minutes ago, cylix said:

Raytracing 7900xtx benchmark, if true it looks good, amd came a long way.

 

https://youtu.be/QSKbpq3arXA

Yeah, that is a big improvement. The thing about gaming is you don't need to buy the most powerful  and expensive GPU to get the job done and enjoy a satisfying experience. If you were not looking at an on-screen overlay it would not be possible to tell one from the other. If you jack the settings up so high that it tanks your performance it does very little to improve the quality of the image on the screen. I find it difficult to tell any difference between high/very high/ultra other than a corresponding diminished framerate.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Here one more video brother Electro. My very first video on YouTube🤪 And this is not a video about shoes but a Hell lot noise. See my reply below and you can connect the dots😎 Please sub on my channel and click on the like button, LOOL

 

 

 

 

I'm sure I can do +90db. And I still hear the awful sound in my head even after the pc is turned of You still want them bro @tps3443? Maybe buy18 of them. They are damn cheap, but awful sound and most likly not the best cooling I have seen. Now you are warned.

 

The fan from HELL. This 4000 rpm server fan is loud. But not so so it is more powerful than my Noctua 3000 and 3000 rpm EK-Vardar Furious.

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Whoa that is loud! I should have had my speakers down a bit more. 🙂

 

 

Yeah, totally nuts. That is even worse than the Delta fans from what I can tell. Higher pitched and more obnoxious.

Do they move a ton of air, or just make lots of noise?

8 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Actual, authorized Intel response to someone asking why his new Asus laptop has soldered on memory for the primary DIMM (I kid you not):

 

What is even more sad is that many, if not most, sheeple are accepting of this utter bullcrap. Laptops have been around for how many years, and never needed to have soldered filth because of being moved around. People that believe nonsense like this are as dumb as a box of rocks, and the people that tell them nonsense like this are evil and dishonest. They can't be honest about it because the accurate answer would just make everyone angry... even the stupid ones drinking the Kool-Aid that seem to enjoy being sodomized.

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Yes it's true. This has been widely reported over at OC.net. Plenty of users found out these new 2gb ram modules like to be warmer to an extent vs cold. They can't clock as high once they get too cold. 

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

haha im aware of that. but saw lots of users on overclock.net reporting worse OC headroom once they lowered their vRAM temps after waterblocking their cards. seems to be a trend.

 

edit: aw, bro @Talon beat me to the punch 😛 

Really? What? That is so weird. It seems contrary to common sense, doesn't it?

I wonder if this could be a symptom of a faulty manufacturing/soldering process like with Roman's defective Strix 4090? Higher temperatures may help mitigate the poor connection and colder temperatures exacerbate it.

30 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

 

Hit the nail.

 

Also I think if AMD reduces price from get go, I bet people will still buy Nvidia. That's how it has always been from what I have been learning lately. The Ampere vs RDNA 2 pricing, post mining crash is the literal proof. So they aim for margins and undercut nvidia but not significantly because Nvidia always always is raising the roof withe very single damn GPU generation.

I think part of it is the desire to avoid risk and drama, so many pay extra (way too much extra even) to spare themselves of the nonsense that AMD has a reputation for. I know for me it has nothing to do with brand and everything to do with regrettable past ownership experience.

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Either way, no one in their right mind is going to pick a 7900xt over a 7900xtx.

I also question whether AMD is in their right mind for even offering it. Seems pretty stupid. They are picking up bad habits from the Green Goblin.

21 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

That FE sounds like a pretty proper sample! How are the GPU OCs? How's the coil whine this time around on the FEs? Every single FE card I encountered from the 3070 up to the 3090 was very whiny. As for the memory, not that anything is promised from the MFG (OC'ers sometimes forget that. It is running will within spec) in regards to overclocks but a sub 1300 card would be getting a return from myself too same as a poor CPU sample.

The way I view it, if they sell an overclocking-centric product to an overclocker and it doesn't overclock worth a damn, I am calling BS on their defective crap and would return it because it is falsely-advertised defective crap. I think I am done playing by their rules, or their lack thereof. No point in paying a premium for top quality when it turns out to be garbage that fails in the silicon lottery. They can give my money back and pawn it off on some other stupid sucker.

Interesting. Looks like the Strix 4090 may have a production flaw. The second video is the demonstration of the repair discussed in Roman's video. Got to love ASUS and their high pricing and low quality. Status quo for them.

6 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

 

It is not a lower binned silicon it's a die-cut, as 7900XTX is a full Navi 31 silicon and 7900XT is cut, the MCDs are reduced on the 7900XT, it has less Infinity Cache basically. And lower VRAM + Bus. Plus the Shader cores (CUs) are also cut.  I think it should have been called as 7900 not XT.

Yikes, so only $100 less than XTX makes it a severely overpriced downgrade. That smells a lot like an AMD version of an overpriced 4070 that used to be called 4080 scam. I don't know why anyone would want it if it is only $100 less. Should be at least $300 less.