Mr. Fox

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Alienware have got competition. Who offer the best build quality...

That is truly horrible. Straight out of the Alienware playbook:

• Beyond absurdly insane overpricing
• Extremely ugly aesthetically
• Tacky gimmicks (the stupid touch panel)
• Compromised components
• Includes proprietary garbage
• Castrated firmware

Yes, it is sad to think it could be true, there actually are people dumb enough to pay $5000 for this piece of junk. I can't decide which one is the ugliest to look at.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Btw. This is what Nvidia offer the Laptop jockey's. New hardware features. Almost as Microsoft toying with Windows Moment", LOOL

 

RTX 4000 mobile series officially released.

Papusan replied to VEGGIM's topic in Tech News

 

nvidia joking with their customers. I expect people accept being scammed...  14:27

That truly is a scam. It will go unpuniished because there are peoplle that spend money on it. Same problem as above... ignorant consumer, dishonest tech company.

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Dell Precision turdbook I have handles what I need it to, and it's built like a tank. All metal and carbon fiber... super heavy, nice 17-inch IPS screen, and a total breeze to work on. It reminds me of when Alienware made good laptops. The Quadro P5000 16GB GPU is MXM, but the CPU is a chintzy BGA abortion. It has 4 DDR4 slots, 2 NVMe and a 2.5 inch drive bay (all filled) and I bought it as an off-lease grade A refurb for a little under $500. It is worth more to me for the reason that I have it and a much more sensible option financially than a crappy thin and light, thermal throttled, scortched earth, disposable gamerboy piece of garbage.

Speaking of this critter I call Halfbreed, I replaced the lid and palmrest last weekend with new ones from PartsPeople. Aside from the BGA CPU engineering defect, the rest of it is a really good product. Much better than the newest trashbooks.

I don't really see a thread where this would fit, so I will put this here since it relates to the same model. I replaced the lid and palmrest last weekend with new ones from PartsPeople. Since it is a full teardown, it might be useful to someone wanting to upgrade their GPU. I think Brother @Recieveris going to enjoy some of the elevator music choices I selected.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

You need a specifid USB to flash bios. New modern USB sticks has to be better, LOOL 

 

The new and modern just follow the trend, HaHa

 

EVGA BIOS Update USB Stick Issues - Flashing Corrupted BIOS on Z790 DARK KINGPIN

Yes, this was true on my Unify-X, Z490 Dark, also on my Z690 Dark and both Strix Z690 motherboards. The USB flashback function has only worked for me with my two oldest USB 2.0 flash drives. All others fail. The newer USB 2.0 and all USB 3.X drives I have tried either cannot be read from the beginning, or the flash fails partway through the process. I also find it to work consistently with those two old USB 2.0 flash drives formatted at FAT16 (FAT). Sometimes detecting  and reading files from FAT32 does not work on the first try.

As usual, newer is always better newer.

Shunt modding helped my 2080 Ti FTW3 even with the 2000W vBIOS because it reported half of the actual power utlization (basically lied) and that allowed me to eek more voltage out of it and a higher overclock. I was able to increase the maximum voltage and the boost voltage automatically went higher than it would before shunt modding.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah but, how is nvidia gonna put a 450-600+ watt 4090 inside of a laptop?

It is possible, and I used as many as three 330W AC adapters with dual 200W 980 Mobile GPUs in SLI running inside of a Clevo with a desktop CPU. But, definitely not possible in the modern babygirl turdbooks they are churning out now like digital diarrhea . 

2 hours ago, Steerpike said:

Maybe it's just me, but - I spend a fair amount of time 'on the internet' and I really, really wish I could visit a tech forum, or a car forum, or a food forum, without seeing accusations like 'Nazi' being bandied about.  I was reading about some car feature yesterday, and one guy managed to slip in a reference to 'plandemic'.  I really wish such discussions could be constrained within the myriad of political forums.  The minute I read 'Nazi' or 'Plandemic' or whatever, I write off the author and the post. 

It's unfortunate that you're overly sensitive about the use of hyperbole to convey disdain and contempt because people that use hyperbole and metaphoric speech to communicate are not going to stop doing so. It's kind of weird in light of how common it is in a debase culture that non-chalantly uses truly vulgar language, often extreme, in casual conversation, motion picture and music entertainment, which is far more inappropriate and offensive, and not even fitting the context in many cases. Yet, that's OK but using Nazi in place of "[insert vulgar expletive] control freak" is not. Seems so odd.

6 hours ago, Steerpike said:

There's one positive thing I will observe as 'Windows' has gone from 95 to 98 to 2000 to XP to Vista to 7 to 8.1 to 10 to 11 - ever increasing stability.  I remember when BSODs (and similar) were daily occurrences.  Even in the hallowed '7', there were plenty of BSODs, crashes, hangups.  My last set of '10' machines were very stable, and so far, my two new '11' machines have been rock-solid; maybe 1 'stability' issue in almost a year. That is undeniably progress. 

 

I don't care for the UI changes in '11', and I don't consider them 'progress', but I also don't consider them to be major problems (not in the way '8' was a disaster). '8' was, quite literally, unusable for non-touch users (with it's touch-focused UI). 

To some extent this is subjective, but I agree that the atrocity of the Windoze 8.X GUI has been unmatched. I find the Winduhz 11 GUI also disgusting, a downgrade from Windowz 10, but nowhere nearly as unacceptable as 8.X.

6 hours ago, Steerpike said:

Remember, many of us are using W11 because it came pre-installed on a brand-new laptop. We aren't directly paying MS anything - the machine vendor (in my case, LG) paid MS for the OEM version and I had no choice (and MS would have gotten the same OEM fee whether LG installed 10 or 11).  As an 'end user' without access to MS versions (used to, as an IT guy, but no longer as I'm retired/self-employed), it would be extremely hard, and not to mention risky, to try to 'downgrade' to W10 LTSC (driver issues, etc). 

 

I would never have 'upgraded' to W11, but now that I'm stuck with it I'm making the best of it. 

I suspect most consumers are stuck, if for no reason than a lack of technical know-how. Cost isn't a real excuse, because you can get a Windowz 10 Pro key for $20 or less and download the ISO for free from Micro$lop and a variety of third-party servers. The technical know-how is the only real issue, and it's a big deal for most consumers.

6 hours ago, Steerpike said:

So 'keeping things in perspective', to you, means suggesting that MS deliberately makes upgrades harder to make it 'elusively desirable'? That some high-ranking executive gains pleasure from seeing customers have problems?  That's you having 'perspective'? 

Yup, pretty much. They're Nazis and have adopted the crApple control freak approach to everything. They believe that consumers are just sheeple that are too stupid to know what's best, so they will decide for us all, and they take steps to attempt to limit the freedom of individuals to make their own decisions.

19 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

That’s something there too. See, I have not owned a laptop in some years now. Wow it has been almost 5 years. I moved back to desktop in 2018, but I had a real DTR gaming laptop that was not a BGA. But, maybe  all of the pains with limited cooling and BGA have faded away. Kinda like child birth for a women lol. 
 

I could very well hate that $2,800 dollar RTX4090 machine with a passion. 
 

But this is a good point. So, maybe it really does suck. 
 

I’m sure @Mr. Fox and @Papusan are right lol. 

Yeah, I pretty much washed my hands of laptops for anything other than overnight travel computing needs around 2015-16. The Dell Precision turdbook I have handles what I need it to, and it's built like a tank. All metal and carbon fiber... super heavy, nice 17-inch IPS screen, and a total breeze to work on. It reminds me of when Alienware made good laptops. The Quadro P5000 16GB GPU is MXM, but the CPU is a chintzy BGA abortion. It has 4 DDR4 slots, 2 NVMe and a 2.5 inch drive bay (all filled) and I bought it as an off-lease grade A refurb for a little under $500. It is worth more to me for the reason that I have it and a much more sensible option financially than a crappy thin and light, thermal throttled, scortched earth, disposable gamerboy piece of garbage. I don't love it, but I don't hate it like I would a $2800 turdbook that I know would leave me with nothing but regret for having wasted $2800. For $500, I'm very happy. The $2300 saved can be used for something that is actually good or special.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah, well a water cooled 4090 laptop for $2,950 is not bad though. I imagine that would help with a lot of the issues that laptops have. 
 

Remember, this is a laptop and not a desktop. Maybe there are limitations that apply to it because it’s a “Laptop” and it is not exactly a design flaw. 
 

I cannot tow a car with my motorcycle,  so it doesn’t mean it’s a piece of crap with design flaws. It is just limitations of being a motorcycle. 
 

The 4090 Laptop is going to have lots of short comings, that a desktop 4090 cannot do. However, it’s $2,800 bucks for the fastest mobile performance available right now. It will work as intended running games perfectly fine. 
 

 

It was difficult to buy a GTX1080 laptop for $2,800 years ago. So, this is nice to see pricing so affordable for top tier 4090 mobile. 

That part that gets too easily forgotten is that the industry is only making the excuse for BGA "because it is a laptop" is nothing more than a hot and steamy crock filled with feces. It is a deliberate design to enrich sales revenue, limit repairability, shorten usable lifespan, drive repeat sales and a totally necessary engineering compromise. So, yeah, it's a laptop and will have laptop limitations. Making it a BGA laptop just adds compromise on top of compromise, all of which are geared toward screwing the end user and making more money for the sellers of BGA filth. Laptops are a whole lot worse than they need to be, and they don't all need to be compromised. But they are now.

46 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, its only $2,800 USD. And I don't like throw my hard earned money down the drain. Good luck bring with you that cooler box safe on a plane. Maybe ask your side man  hold the box while you start play games. It's a laptop, LOOL

 

And I would never ever throw away my money on desktop box that let me have internal cramped space almost as a laptop. 

 

Too funny. I literally just watched that video like an hour ago. Compromise sucks on desktops, too.  That build was far too complicated because the case is not designed to contain a robust system and is just too small to build anything great or remarkable. I can't identify anything nice to say about cramped workspaces. Things should be as big as they need to be, plus a little extra, if you expect it to turn out the way you want it to, rather than the way someone else expects it to.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’m sure it has potential. It’s only $2,800 bucks. Everyone is offended over this machine lol. Dang! 

I wouldn't go that far. Offended is probably not the right word. Unimpressed and disappointed, and disinterested with the options in general, yes... for sure. 

It is still going to have all of the inherent problems, limitations and engineering defects associated with the fact that it is a BGA turdbook. Performing better because it is a newer hardware generation is expected and required as the price of admission, but that is not a good enough excuse to embrace the filth any more than it never has been in the past. Garbage is garbage no matter how you slice it.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

It seems Microsoft go over dead bodies to try help their partners. 

 

And who is the fool's bro @Mr. Fox? The crying babies or Microsoft? None say he or others has to install the latest and bugged. Just go back to Win 10 and enjoy your pc. 

 

 

Windows 11 Watermark Showing Up On Unsupported Systems

Microsoft implements plan to annoy users into upgrading PCs (or downgrading Windows)

 

At the moment, it looks like unsupported systems will only have to deal with a mildly-annoying watermark, but this could be the first step toward more drastic measures. Microsoft has warned that it will disable updates on unsupported systems (though this clearly has yet to come to fruition, as you'll only get the watermark if you install the latest update).

 

So, just go buy a new CPU (says Microsoft). Or uninstall Windows 11 and downgrade to Windows 10

It always helps keep things in perspective to remember that (a) Micro$lop is evil at the core of their corporate existence, and (b) fanboys lack the ability to think rationally about things. If the sheeple want to use Winduhz 11, it doesn't matter how crappy it is. In their minds it is the ultimate destiny and they are too stupid to use logic. This is not unique. The same can be said of crApple and their sick little minority group of fanboys, fangirls, and fan-its that are confused about everything.

The Redmond Reprobates are fully aware that by making the use of Winduhz XI more difficult that makes it elusively desirable for fanboys and rebels alike. That's why they do it. It would be less accepted if it installed on a potato or a tomato. Their roadblocks fuel defiance and controversy about a product that is unworthy of any manner of special attention.

Somebody in a high ranking position gets their jollies from watching emo fanboys have meltdowns and technically challenged wannabe crybabies whine about it.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I can answer my own question.... 

 

 

This is retarded of lack of better word. I know the 6-pin connector support added wattage for the PCIe slot if it lack needed power but several other brands offer MB's  that can provide enough power to the PCIe slot without this restriction.

 

And I don't use much of the 12v line from the 24 pin MB connector. Etc the 11A (130w+) fan headers limit isn't in use. Only for fan signals so not much wattage go into these fan headers. So the 24 pin should be more than enough. Why castrate it at wimpy 27W? This idiotic design/engineering ideas is something I mostly can expect coming from Dell or F. Azor. Not from a real MB manufacturer that should know better. 

 

Now I need to find a proper solution for this due Asus own engineering stupidity. And that cost money. Not needed if they followed specs.

 

Then you have the second stupidity from Asus. Why in hell use the F8 command for the MB/bios functionality? The Z690 Apex is meant as a oc board and people use F8 command to go fast into Windows safe mode. So stupid has to be todays word.  And Asus earn it. Every single bit.

 

Asus deserve 2x tripple....  

 

What the heck? That's really crazy. PCIe x16 slots should provide 75W natively without an extra power source. It makes no sense that ASUS did this.

14 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I dont purchase anything from Corsair anymore. Their mods on various forums burned me from the brand altogether.

Were they actually Corsair employees? Not defending what they did at all, but just curious if their behavior was a reflection of being an outsourced flunky that doesn't actually care about the brand or the customers. If they were actually Corsair staff, that makes it a less forgivable breach of character. Most of the people I have needed to interact with at ASUS were truly horrible, so I wouldn't have a surprised look on my face if they were Corsair staff. But, I would still hope not.

Good help is hard to find, especially when the functional role and compensation package fail to make the employee feel like a mission-critical resource.

19 minutes ago, Reciever said:

My EVGA 550w did fine for the 3090 but keep in mind I locked it to 1v which translated roughly to 350w or so, still use it on my Am4 system with a 2700x and 5700XT. I pushed 325w-350w on the 5700XT as well on it. EVGA makes a solid PSU 🙂

Yes, everything EVGA makes is top notch. A 550W PSU is adequate for a lot of applications that do not involve overclocking and overvolting of components that are notorious for being power hungry running stock. For most typical uses you would not exhaust the 550W PSU capacity.

22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

But as I said... If I take out the 4090 and put in old cards with dual 8-pin I need to steal the 6-pin connector from the MB  to power the old GPUs. That may work. But the very best would be a 600W SFX PSU. Rather this option than swap out my main PSU with another one with dual 12VHPWR connector. I will have more PCIe cables this way and have huge power headroom to power up much more in my pc. And I don't want pay an arm and a leg for a SFX PSU. But it has to be quality. Failig PSU's tend to drag with the whole pc if it fails. Not expensive and not too cheap. And with proper Amp for each PCIe line out connecto from the PSU.

Yes, I think adding a second PSU is a better option. Both of us have cases that support dual PSU. You could also run the 4090 HOF off of the second PSU or the mobo off of the SFX PSU if you wanted to, and still have plenty of legacy PCIe cables available for older GPUs and not have to disconnect anything. As long as both of the PSUs have more than enough capacity to support what they are attached to you're good. Running the GPU from a dedicated PSU is never a bad idea. Most people do not have cases that support dual PSU installation. 

My case will support dual full-size ATX PSUs, but I am using the spare PSU bay to support the water cooling lines. I installed bulkhead G1/4 pass-through fittings with QDC fittings and ball valves mounted on a thick aluminum plate that is screwed in place where the second PSU would be installed.

44 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I have two choices... Go for a new 1600+ Psu or an SFX psu for my old cards(the box support 2 PSUs).  

 

Is there some good advices on what SFX PSU to buy rated +600W I can use for powering my old graphics cards? This is the cheaper way and I will have the benefits have access to +2100W power. Norwegian AC connectors here home is 3600W or 16x230v.

I am not sure on a SFX PSU. There might be some good options, but the systems that use them are usually compromised in a myriad of ways. If you are only using the SFX PSU to power some older GPUs it probably doesn't need to be top notch.

44 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Second question... I know you'll need the extra 6-pin connector on the motherboard to power more items connected to the MB. Without it could also make GPU stability problems. But I think more for only benching old cards and without having much connected to the MB. All strong fans is powered by the PSU and not to the MB (only rpm signals).

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Se also my second question... 

I have the extra 6-pin PCI-e connector on my Dark mobo and I always use that when it is available on a motherboard because it helps GPU stability to have the additional power available to the PCIe slots with an insanely powerful GPU like the 3090 KPE or other GPU with a 1000W power limit. It might not matter with the older GPUs, but I don't question that it would be wise to have it connected with your 4090 HOF beast GPU. It might work OK without it, but it certainly cannot hurt to use it. I would if I were you.

35 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Thanks. Yep, I only wanted the Strix of all nowadays new GPUs. And I would never even buy anything else. Only luck that I saw the HOF. Still on the table. I need do some changes. And I don't like the way Be Quiet put the connectors. For single 16-pin 12VHPWR thats not a problem but with dual 16-pin 12VHPWR for the HOF I should have more connectors for my hobby with older cards. The Dark Pro is a fantastic PSU but now I'm limited the way I want my setup to work. See pict and you undetstand.

 

The PCIe connectors is rated 45A so near 500W (one cable connector contain dual 8-pin. Aka 10x 8-Pin but with this layout I will missing PCIe connectors.

 

Regarding the US price... Dang! Without the Norwecian taxes and the added exange currency I pay less for the 4090 Asus than many other countries included US and you. Thats not normal bro Fox. Not at all.. This means parts is well overpriced now. 

 

What is normal Strix OC price (MSRP) in US?

 

That's very weird. The BeQuiet PSU has 8+6 instead of 8+8? Technically, you only need 3x8-pin per cable. Some are 3x8-pin adapters and that is plenty for one 12VHPWR connection. In fact, the 3090 KPE can easily pull 1000W with a severe overclock and 3x8-pin provides ample power for that, along with what it can pull from the PCIe slot. I believe the 12VHPWR adapter cables that use 4x8-pin per 12VHPWR connector are using lighter gauge wiring and compensating for that by taking up the 4th PSU port. 

For example the cheap "Basic" CableMod 12VHPWR cable uses 4x8-pin PSU ports. The better "Pro" uses only 3x8-pin and uses heavier gauge cable and sells for $10 USD more than the "Basic" version.

The "normal" (meaning correct) price is $1999.99 direct from ASUS. I paid $10 more for a better experience dealing with NewEgg than the idiots at ASUS. If there is something wrong with it during the first month of ownership, NewEgg will take care of me better and faster than ASUS will. Most resellers are dishonest and live to screw their customers.

https://rog.asus.com/us/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx4090-o24g-gaming-model/

It looks like it is available (at least at this very moment) direct from ASUS.

57 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Congrats bro Fox. I waited 3.5 months and gave up on getting the Strixs OC. And the Strix was nr 1 on my list of 4090 I wanted. 
 

I’m posting from my phone. But is that price correct? Or does this $2,395 pricepoint include 25% Norwegian tax if I ordered it from US Newegg? Or is this the price you have to pay in US?

Thank you. Yes, I know this is the one you wanted. It is sad that the NOK to USD exchange rate is 10:1 right now.

As I was waiting for Amazon to process my refund, I thought about the way the Suprim just died for no reason I could identify, and I remembered that my first Unify-X mobo lasted less than a day, I decided that was not better than the bad luck I have had with ASUS. I no longer have much confidence in reliability from either brand now. Figured that  I might as well get the Strix since it seems reliability for both brands is questionable. I almost pulled the trigger on a MSI Trio from Best Buy for $1600 and ready for pickup today, but decided that chances of me being happy with it are probably very slim. It's pretty wimpy in terms of power delivery, unlike the Strix and Suprim. The Strix and Suprim and HOF are the only 4090 GPUs built better than the FE. All others are weaker than the FE.

That is the US pre-tax price now on NewEgg, but it is the price from the scalpers. I did not pay that much and would never have ordered it at that price. The scalper price is ludicrous. I got the only NewEgg option in stock.

Here is what I paid for the "sold and shipped by NewEgg" GPU, which is still too much...

@PapusanI hope I don't end up being disappointed or hating myself for getting this thing.

Should have it by Friday.

Edit: looks like I got lucky. The price is now $400 USD more from a reseller scalper than what it cost me for the "sold and shipped by NewEgg" GPU. Even after sales tax and shipping was added it is still $235 less than the pre-tax scalper scam price.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Getting overpriced garbage is a hell lot worse than getting overpriced awesome. Paying top dollars for the new 4090 scam (laptops) is awful. You get the worst from both worlds. If you jump on the higher tier ADA laptops you’ are in short scammed. 

I agree with you. But, I will go a step further and say that buying garbage is never good. If owning garbage is one's destiny, they should spend as little as possible on it because... well... it's garbage. Garbage is worth only as much as garbage collectors are willing to pay for their trash. Right now it seems like garbage collectors are loving their trash way too much. None of this even contemplates the fact that sheeple lack the ability to identify garbage.

I still don't feel good about getting screwed on awesome though. For those responsible for screwing us all, I classify that moral defect as being conceptually the same as a rapist believing that their victim secretly wanted it. Surrendering on the basis that resistance is futile does not legitimize the character flaw.

54 minutes ago, ryan said:

if i put a steak dinner on a trash can lid. would people eat it? apparently they will

Honestly, it would not surprise me if some people eat while sitting on a toilet. The sheeple believe what they are told. That makes paying more to get less understandable because they're believing lies, trusting liars, and being mislead about getting less. But, it doesn't explain the rationale for carte blanche paying way too much no matter how truly great and amazing it might truly be (4090 is the example here). Everything is a poor value and nothing is priced consistent with the value it offers (or doesn't offer). It adds insult to injury when you are getting a piece of garbage that is severely overpriced.

On 2/19/2023 at 1:34 PM, Papusan said:

This is nothing new. They just can't make it right. 

It will never be a "good" OS, just as Windowz 8.X and Windoze 10 were never a "good" OS. Each release has merely been a different gradient of product development failure.

3 hours ago, KING19 said:

Good and bad are determined based on what supports or calls attention to the stupidity of their agenda, not what is actually good or bad. Common sense and an elemental, animalistic level of decency gets in the way of their agenda.

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

Not sure what this guy is doing, but don't do like him....

https://hwbot.org/submission/5204031_zippytek_unigine_superposition___1080p_xtreme_geforce_rtx_4090_22650_points

 

Almost all his scores are low with his HOF card.....

ZippyTek is from Egypt. Unless he is running his stuff inside of a meat locker probably everything is thermal throttled, LOL. That, or his HOF card wasn't a winner in the silicon lottery. I suspect there are some that are not.

Edit:  

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Maybe his sample is trash?

I suspect so. Probably the most reasonable way to explain the poor results.