10 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

You and I have long known that diminishing returns is the name of the game for top end hardware but still went for it anyhow. The problem now is the top end hardware is insanely expensive and there is a clear and present danger of AMD and Nvidia trying to shift up the MSRP on the lower tiers.

Yup. It's different now. Instead of leveling up for top end, they're just screwing everyone indescriminately at every level. That is not the same as charging a premium for premium. It's more like bad people being bad people and charging stupid people a premium for stupidity.

6 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

......and......out of stock.....lol

Gone in 60 seconds. I clicked the link and found the same issue. They must have only had a tiny inventory, or people have bots in place to scarf them up for resale/scalping purposes.

2 minutes ago, ryan said:

Yeah I'm guilty of watching only the first video..he's really cool and cuts to the chase..I used to think that way...buy a cheap desktop barebones and upgrade cpu gpu..I honestly got out of the loop. But I'm sure there's still options as his video is only 3 weeks old...when my laptop bites the dust I will be going this route...thanks for the video bro..also I watched your video..well done..s and e big thumbs up

Thank you.

The LTT video shows examples of three companies in Toronto that are repurposing old tech by jazzing it up with some bling that the kiddos tend to love, and reselling the used stuff still super-cheap compared to the new stuff. Really good solution for financially challenged people (and parents of younger kids) that need a cheap computer that will still do most things well enough if your bar isn't set too high. I would do it for that purpose, nothing to do with e-waste mitigation.

3 minutes ago, ryan said:

Woah..now that's a deal he picked up the whole 1070 system for under 500. Impressive. I think 1070 level gpu is perfect for 1080p. You won't need much more at 1080p

Yes. There is definitely a market for that kind of thing. That guy (in the first link) has a very funny dry sense of humor. I really like his dry corny humor.

3 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Thats where a lot of my systems come from right now, out of warranty decom.

 

I am currently sitting on: 

5820 Precision w/ i7 9800x

4x 7810 with 2x 2650v3 (20c/40t) (some of which have 128GB RAM)
3x optiplex 7060 i7's
optiplex 7070 w/ i5
6x HP t630's 
Probably over a TB of ram

 

One of the other reasons I was a bit disillusioned was due to super low bids I kept getting. I used to sell Optiplex 7040 micros for 100 and people would still shoot me offers of 40 lol. I was thinking of building my own SCCM/MDT server to make the process of clean slating PC's more automated.

 

That is why I think it would be challenging to become established in that niche, but I think once you do it could be very lucrative. The second link (LTT video) shows examples of those who have.

I put links to both videos because the first one does not allow embedding their YT videos, so I made both just links so nobody would skip the first link thinking it was the same video as the second link.

13 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

I have been debating it to some degree but of my experience of late is around sccm/mdt deployments and such. I think I have hit the ceiling at my current employment but I do have too much hardware at home for my own uses its really a waste to let it be. 

 

Me and Hiew debated it several times since we essentially do it already for all our friends and family and do have a genuine interest in the space. 

 

Then we needed a forum lol, so that took front seat and then work ramped up for both of us pretty significantly. 

Doing something with tech for money like what is shown in both of these videos would probably be a smart thing to do in this difficult economic environment. The vast majority of consumers prefer having something adequate that doesn't cost any more than necessary. It might be difficult to get it in motion as a business, but once you did and got established in it, I think it would have potential to be lucrative.

https://youtu.be/0Q6QQm_kPfw

https://youtu.be/W8snwlE93aE

22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

But it neeed to be in "All Black" and not in modern nasty pastel/glossy fancy colors. All black bro electro😎 

 

I have nothing against Crocs or the people that love them. But, I don't want a PC case that looks like a shoe. Or, for that matter, that looks like anything else other than a PC case. I'm not a fan of gimmicks like that. They usually embrace compromise and omit functionality as a trade-off for weird aesthetics. Even when the aesthetic is pleasing, you're giving up something else related to functionality, performance, or both.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Newegg has had the Gigabyte 4090 drifting in and out of stock today:

 

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gv-n4090gaming-oc-24gd/p/N82E16814932550?Item=N82E16814932550

 

 

MSI has one model of their 4090 in stock on their website the $1699.99 Gaming X Trio

 

https://us-store.msi.com/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GPU/GeForce-RTX-40-Series/4090-Z790-CARBON-WIFI-Gaming-Kit-s360?sort=p.price&order=ASC

 

Looks like they're forcing a bundle purchase (MB and AIO) to get it.....ewww.

It is getting harder to rationalize spending between $1300 and $2000 more than the price of an A770. If the percentage of performance uplift loosely matched the percentage of price increase it would be fairly easy to justify.

I agree with the last comment... definitely "ewww" for me, too. No thanks.

Looks like they are shooting the new Mission Impossible movie in Brother @Papusanstomping grounds (Norway).

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yep, it looks like full havoc at AMDs HQ right now. Where is their QC? Do they also outsource own firmware and QC? Perhaps outsourced to Microsoft?😀

 

 

Latest AMD AGESA Firmware Inadvertently Disables Cores On Some Ryzen 5 7600X CPUs Affected Ryzen 5 7600X chips lose significant performance.

 

It certainly smacks of Micro$lop incompetence and ineptitude. When you spend a lot of your time butt-kissing losers and idiots, their poop gets splattered on you and you eventually begin to smell and behave as badly as they do.

A few products I recently picked up... @Papusan wants the first item because it is BGA.

14 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Stopped watching the first video on the "two legendary market experts" announcement and ran a quick sanity check...

#1 Eifrig - a convicted fraudster 

#2 Navellier - ditto

 

What Martha Stewart did was equally illegal and she put in her time for it, but I don't refuse to value her talent, watch her on TV or prepare recipes she shares on the basis of her infraction.

Neither of their crimes or convictions have any bearing on the validity of their opinions or the information they possess. Their crimes were a direct result of their brilliance, using knowledge and ability to beat the system. It was obviously illegal in the view of their prosecutors and they got caught. If they repaid their debt to society it is now water under the bridge. The way I see it, if what they say has merit then their criminal record is totally irrelevant. Personally, I would not refuse to listen to them or dismiss what they say merely on the basis of their past convictions. But, I totally respect your freedom to do so.

I am confident that we have more people than we would ever want to believe we have in positions of power and authority in this country (including a former two-term philandering POTUS circa 1993 and his witchy evidence-destroying wife, our outgoing Speaker of the House, her husband and their son, and our current POTUS and his son) and your country, that are guilty of equal or worse crimes against society that have been overlooked. They are above the law because of their political value to the people that have the ability to turn a blind eye to their crimes in the name of advancing an agenda. They are not held accountable to the same laws because of who their friends are.

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I have had plenty of clients change their minds on custom builds before signing my agreement, but once they've signed, I have a nonnegotiable, nonrefundable 10% build fee. I never had anyone threaten to harm me over that fee, but I am a large man that carries a very large defensive metal "stick".  

Yes, totally. It seems obvious the communication gap was between the father and his son, not between the customer and shop. If I were that Canadian PC shop and I had already been paid I would have refused to give him a refund, especially if the son purchased the system or parts from another PC shop. My response would be, sorry pal, you bought it, it was built for you, it's yours. If you changed your mind and don't want it now, then you sell it and you absord the loss. Not my problem.

Once it was built, the parts are all used and instantly worth less than new sealed box. And, there likely would have been restocking fees, etc. It would take a really good repeat customer that I did a lot of business with and wanted to retain as a customer before I would take the loss on that kind of deal. 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nice seeing AMD put a lot works into their refreshed processors

AMD Ryzen 7000X3D has a redesigned box design, less OC support, and lower max temp.

By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 01/07/2023 12:47 PM

There will be a new packaging style for the three incoming Ryzen 7000X3D processors. The logo for the new '3D Vertical Cache technology' will be prominently displayed in orange and silver on the PIB (Processor in Box) packaging

Interesting that they sell castrated CPUs and spin them as special. This is really difficult for me to relate to as someone that cares about overclocking.

14 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I have an excuse 🙂

Nonetheless, that is an amazing accomplishment. 👏  Not sure if someone could put up with me for that long. Mrs. Fox sounds like one of a kind 🤙

She is a better lady than I deserve, that's for sure. Thank you. It is both awesome and weird that this many years have passed. She is definitely a part of me now and I can't imagine life without her.

25 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Congratulations brother @Mr. Fox. Sorry for  the late reply.

Thank you. No problem with the late reply. It's the thought that counts, not the timing. Have a great weekend, Brother.

45 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Looks like you can use G-sync on a freesync monitor.....cool. I didnt realize that when looking for a GPU.

Must be a fairly new thing?

I think that has been the case for 2 or 3 years. I've been hearing chatter about it for a very long time. I do not use either one and deliberately disable G-stink. There is a differnce between the hardware G-stink and the software G-stink/Freesync, but I do not pay any attention to either one. I do recall some of the people that spent extra for monitors with special G-stink hardware got kind of emotional about everyone else getting it for free on cheap monitors, and I suspect NVIDIA wasn't happy about it.

On 1/4/2023 at 3:58 PM, ryan said:

it was man made

I believe that 100%, and I also believe the entire pandemic was a planned crisis driven by a number of politically-motivated idealists (many of them very wealthy tree-huggers) that have gone off the rails on the lunatic fringe. Many of them black-hearted elected bozos and self-anointed gurus on mythological ideaologies like climate change and over-population. We have allowed the world's governments, including the US and Canada, to fall under the control of utterly insane and unfathomably evil totalitarian elitists. Big tech and big pharma have their fingerprints all over it, as well as the mainstream media muppets that are assisting with the fleecing and brainwashing of the zombie sheeple that are too damned stupid to recognize what is happening.

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Looking on ebay for a decent gpu at a decent price, Ive found several 6800xt's below $600 (Used) Good deal? Seems they are equivalent to a 3080?

59 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

If ~$600 is your limit start looking through 6900xt's you want and look for sellers that allow best offers and send them $600 offers. I'm sure one will sell. You can also message new listings too and offer ~$600.

If you want a decent gaming GPU at a reasonable price while you wait for stupid to wear off current generation stuff, grab yourself a 3060 Ti. Honestly, I am super-happy with the one I have in terms of gaming performance. Literally everything is around 100 FPS. I like it far more than I expected I would and for the price it has no rival. Overall, great gaming performance (better than a 6900 XT with ray tracing enabled) and for $200-$300 less. I bought mine as a B-stock from EVGA and it is flawless. I am not sure what kind of cosmetic blemish it had, but whatever it was I could not identify it.

https://www.evga.com/products/ProductList.aspx?type=8&family=GeForce+30+Series+Family

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Followed up with just overall a whole bunch of "meh" if you have a 3080 or greater card.....

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

It isn't as if the 4070ti isn't a decent gaming card....just overpriced:

If they can stop being so idiotic about the price it will be a respectable option for people that don't want to (or cannot afford to) spend a crap ton of money on a GPU. This should be priced around $450-$550. If it hits $650 it becomes a stupid option.

32 minutes ago, Papusan said:

All radiators will crash with each other if you want something more than the vanilla 30mm rads in push or pull. Forget thicker rads in push and pull. Rather buy a big enough case.

 

 

And I don't like this or similar consept... Even if you add more fans in front of the graphics card as for the TT case.

 

https://hardware-helden.de/aio-wasserkuehlung-optimal-platzieren/

 

 

 

Bottom line: If your case does not allow you to configure  your system exactly the way you want it, you made a mistake and chose the wrong case. We all make mistakes. That is part of being human. Deliberately spending money in a way that requires compromise or settling for something less than what you want really diminishes the pleasure of PC ownership. When you do that, it suggests that your standards are either set low, not important enough to call them standards, you lack the financial resources to do what you want, or you didn't really want what you thought you wanted nearly as much as you thought.

16 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

It's not a shortage anymore, it's inflation, he will state. No matter what, we will not win this war unless the majority of people stop buying. 

16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

100%. It will never stop as long as we continue to go with the flow. Refusing to pay more than a certain amount (even below MSRP) will bring prices down even during a shortage. Product rotting on store shelves because nobody is willing to pay the asking price will be reduced.

Case in point...

23 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

 

 

Have checked more on this. Forgot I had this problem before I once again installed new drivers. Regardless what I do. Newer drivers stop me from voltage control in Msi Afterburner. Also Zotac's own OC tool for this cards don't work anymore. Isn't it pervers? Tried once again edit the file. No go. Then I found this thread below. Exactly same card and same behaviour. Whats wrong with Nvidia? And can Zotac let Nvidia destroy for people who have paid money for the card do this? I need to take contact with Zotac forum/support.

 

 

 

 

Posted a new thread on Zotac/reddit

 

 

We have seen the Green Goblin do this in the past with messed up drivers. Did you also test with NVIDIA Inspector to see if it is locked? They never care about how their decisions affect owners of older GPUs. They stopped pretending to care about 9-series product owners when 10-series GPUs were released. They only pretend to care about current generation GPUs. If people do not continue throwing money at new GPUs they are no longer valued. Even when they do keep feeding the pig, it is open for debate whether or not they actually value the people feeding them.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

This SP121 P-Core 13900K is a BEAST in the EAST chopping down a very respectable 45,200 in R23 lol. My water is not even that cold. Maybe 17-18C. This chip is really good. 
 

 

Very nice. Congratulations, Brother. I wish I had your luck on having abnormally good CPUs drop in my lap. Maybe it's good that I do not. It would be more difficult to keep my priorities in check, and that is already hard enough.

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

GN really hates the 4070Ti.

 

 

The price makes it easy to hate on it. If it were priced like a 3060 should be, then there would be no basis for hate or disappointment. It would be a mediocre product at a mediocre price. Nobody likes getting raped, unless they have some sort of untreated mental illness. This is an Arc A770 competitor and should be priced like one. I'd buy an A770 for $350 if I needed a GPU, but I certainly wouldn't pay more than double for this.

21 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

It's not a shortage anymore, it's inflation, he will state. No matter what, we will not win this war unless the majority of people stop buying. 

100%. It will never stop as long as we continue to go with the flow. Refusing to pay more than a certain amount (even below MSRP) will bring prices down even during a shortage. Product rotting on store shelves because nobody is willing to pay the asking price will be reduced.

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

All suggested is good options. As long the boxes are big enough and in black. I like the French doors on the 100D to hide all cables (the small notes is to tell where each cable is connected to).  And the dark tinted tempered glass make it all look nice and clean. Place for 8x 2.5" and 5x 3.5" disks. And you can put in a few 3.5" on top of the PSU case if needed as well. Loads of space in this chassis.

 

I use only M.2 and 2.5" disks. Hence I have taken out the tray on the backside for the old 3.5" spinning disks. I rather use this space to route the water tubes directly in the front radiators bottom (no sharp tube bends and no 90 degrees angles connections is needed). And space is big enough so you can use the better 2x45 rotary connections that have much more pleasant bends than the harsh 90 degres angles. For me its the perfect chassis with lots of space for custom cooling.

 

I can even throw in a ITX system with full custom cooling if needed. And the space in the chassis doesnt stop you from adding a 3rd pump or max out with etc 2x dual D5 pumps. The only drawback is that the box is so heavy with all parts that you need a plate with wheels (or a strong back) to move it. I bet it weight between 45 and 50kg🙂

 

I even put a black sticker on the flashy blue logo on the top radiator (left side)🙂 And the PCIe cables for the Gpu could' be done better. I haven't done much to put up the cables prettier with combs for the GPU (I swap out and in cards often so that is wasted time). So thats that. The small cable with the tape on at the bottom is the new modern Nvidia 12VHPWR cable. Ready to be used once I get back a new 4090. Looks a lot better with that one in use.

 

 

 

This is not the system to move for those that struggle going arond with a thin wimpy sub 1kg Jokebook in their hands more than 1 minute, LOOL

 

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Yep, this is as expected. But the price is still several hundreds too much. 

 

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT now under MSRP in US and EU
Newegg has started selling its first RDNA3 desktop GPU under official suggested retail price.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-reference-design-drops-below-msrp-to-880

 

Around two weeks ago, the RX 7900 XT started to lose value in EU markets. The card has dropped from its €1049 launch price to €999 in less than two weeks. Another two weeks later the card can be found for a further €20 less. This means that the price has already been reduced by 6.7%

 

I wonder when we will see Nvidia also has to go the same route and cut of some of its profits. The retailers shouldn't pay the whole loss.  

It looks great. I think it is the best tower case money can buy.

As Brother @Rage Setpointed out, the Level 20 XT with the top and sides removed is like an open bench. I guess that is what sold me on it the most. I might paint the silver pillars black at some point. Having the motherboard horizontal on a removable tray and the GPU in the upright position makes working on things very easy. Laying flat is also really nice for liquid metal on the CPU.

Something off topic, but kind of cool. If you have any old mSATA SSDs that you want to put to good use, check this out.

4 hours ago, cylix said:

What a beautiful case. Very good engineering. Phanteks are on a roll.

 

Wow, I really like how the black one looks. It's a bit small for my taste, but it looks like a engineering masterpiece. It would not work well for a custom loop due to lack of space. 

3 hours ago, jcordero said:

That makes so much sense, so you look for traces, phases and VRMs in a motherboard first and foremost. What would you look for in buying RAM, SSDs, and CPUs (more cores vs high Ghz, servers vs consumer CPUs)? 

SSDs: This one is a bit subjective, so take this as personal opinion. I always have, and probably always will, go for cheap and capacity. Being the fastest doesn't matter to me one iota. As long as the brand is known to be reliable, even a SATA SSD is fast enough. I can't "feel" any difference of SATA SSD or NVMe SSD. I can measure it with a benchmark, but that's about it. I see no personal benefit spending more for a popular overpriced brand. Silicon Power, Sabrent, TeamGroup, etc. are all perfectly fine and very reliable. Don't waste money spending extra for Samsung, Western Digital, etc.

RAM: Unless you are a rainbow puke fanboy that likes overheating memory modules that are overclock limited due to thermal issues, just get generic Hynix DDR5 modules and tune them yourself. My generic Hynix M-die and A-die memory modules overclock better than any retail kits I tested (and there were too many). They run cooler and you can put your own heat sink on them. No need to install RGB cancer software to stop the rainbow puke because there is not any. Regardless of what route you take, avoid Micron DDR5 like a plague. It sucks at overclocking. Samsung B-die was great for DDR4. It maxes out around 6400 for DDR5. Only buy Hynix M-die or A-die modules. You will have to do research to determine what IC the retail kits have on them because most of the brands do to provide any information about their choice in IC. DDR5-6000 is frequently Samsung B-die. 6200-6400 is usually Hynix M-die and 6800+ is usually Hynix A-die. There is a crappy variant of A-die that has a default SPD clock of 4800 like M-die. The good A-die has a default SPD clock of 5600. Anything less than DDR5-6000 is at risk of being Micron IC. It is dependable, just has little capacity for overclocking.

CPU: Intel ONLY. 12th or 13th Gen i9. Save yourself the frustration and grief that goes hand-in-hand with owning something from AMD. Overclocking is lackluster and the CCX chiplet thing is stupid. Memory overclocking is limited, latency high due to infinity fabric, and FCLK needs to be set low enough to impair memory performance to avoid WHEA errors. (This is my opinion based on past experiences. Others may not agree, but this is framed in the context of overclocking because that is your expressed goal.) If you are going to run stock or do very modest overclocking, you can save money on an AMD CPU.  The question is, can you afford a high-end AM5 motherboard? They are overpriced. AM5 is a much better product because it has no pins to get bent or broken like AM4. It's past due for AM4 to be retired, so only go with AM5 if you plan to go with Team Red.

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

After seeing the first few seconds, I thought Phanteks got Chris Pratt to review the case lol 

Interesting. I never thought of Dmitry from Hardware Canucks looking like Chris Pratt, but I can see the resemblance.  Especially so at a glance. They could pass as being relatives for sure.