Mr. Fox

19 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Bingo, I think I saved it as PNG, I'll re-save as JPG and reupload

 

Nope, same thing.

 

Just now, Papusan said:

Try remove that... ?

 

As etc this

 

Or your https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88251389

Brother @Papusanhas a sharp eye. The question mark at the end is the issue.

21 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Bingo, I think I saved it as PNG, I'll re-save as JPG and reupload

 

Nope, same thing.

 

It can be either one (PNG or JPG) as long as the file size is not too large. I think it is 2MB or something like that. You will know because it won't allow you to upload a screenshot if the file is too large.

14 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I cant seem to get any submissions in, keeps saying I need a verification link? I assume its this? 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88251389?

 

 

I think I did everything correctly, turns out Im probably a bit of an idiot, who knew? 

Yes, that is correct. You only need to copy and paste that URL into the space for a validation link and include that with the JPG of the screenshot.

49 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Wonderful being in the Red camp. Someone that remembers all the talk and bragging about offering more up to date drivers than nvidia? 

 

 The last graphics driver that was actually released for the RDNA 2-based Radeon RX 6000 series graphics cards was the 22.11.12 which was made for a November release. Then, AMD's Radeon RX 7900 graphics cards launched in December, and guess what? All four graphics drivers, 2 in December and two in January (2023) have been exclusive to the RDNA 3 architecture. These are the driver releases over the past two months:

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-has-not-released-a-new-radeon-driver-for-rdna-2-radeon-rx-6000-gpus-in-2-months/

 

 

 

Drivers have always been an area of opportunity for them. There have been periods of progress, but very inconsistent.

1 hour ago, ryan said:

and @Mr. Fox brother I'll try that right now see if I cant get within chips reach of 9200 gpu, next step is to test more drivers. and I actually just got eso and it helped by about 100 points. so I was thrilled with that, I think im going to keep windows defender unless it nets a big difference. im thinking drivers now

Be sure that whatever driver you choose to use NVCleanStall to remove all of the worthless trash (GeFarts Experience, etc.) and do the MSI tweaks and driver signing. You only want the driver, PhysX and NVIDIA Control Panel. Everything else is a worthless performance-killer. Do not install the driver in the format that you download from NVIDIA. It will contain bloat and telemetry that hurt performance and offer nothing but stupid gimmicks as payment for allowing the data collection.

59 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I don’t think Nvidia offer higher than 1.100V for 4090. It max out at that voltage. Binned within range of that max voltage. And the high memory temps for some Liquid X cards. Too big variance in build quality. Desktop hardware follows what you get with modern laptop junk nowadays. The trend is here to stay. Awesome is dead!

Probably not. Only EVGA and Galax have been able to skirt their stupid low voltage pansy-boy controls. That's why I recommended trying the Galax 666W vBIOS and Galax Xtreme Tuner software. There may be some low hanging fruit there. Only way to know for sure is try it. Probably not, but still worth trying to find out. Getting it up to even a wimpy 1.125-1.175V could help a lot. I have been taking my 3090 KPE up to like 1.450V without issue. The Suprim is built well enough to handle that I think.

Some of those benchmarks I posted last night were also with a +1650 memory offset and +200 core offset. Thermals are the only thing supressing the core clock/boost. Without the chiller, the memory temps are pushing 80°C and with the chiller they were half that.

44 minutes ago, ryan said:

I'm trying to break 9000 gpu score with my 3060. And what seems Neverending is the tweaks trials and errors. I got 8 points to go. And no clue as to what to do as the score fluctuates 20 up 20 down with no changes. I really do respect you guys and envy your patience...I'm maxed out and feel like smashing my turdbook..I'm sooo close to selling it and getting a desktop

Use the script to permanently remove Windows Defender. Use ESO to kill all unnecessary processes (including NVIDIA Control Panel). Open the benchmark, then use Task Manager to kill explorer.exe and then click the button to start the benchmark. When the run is complete, hit Ctrl+Alt+Del and start Task Manager. Launch explorer.exe from Task Manager. Save your screenshot. That will likely give you the few extra points you need to breach 9K.

Edit: I see you made it but didn't see your post. Try the above instructions and you might go even higher.

13 minutes ago, ryan said:

oh and good news. I finally managed to top 9000. took what felt like forever. I should have bought a legion 5 as stock its 115w 3060 gets 9500-9600 in timespy. quite a bit faster than my omen 16

 

 

was a bit weird getting 9(666) score out of the first of many trys and finally breaking 9k with something like 9666

23 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yep, the small boost in Vcore definitely pushed it past 3100 same settings in TS with capped at 544w pull. Wondering if a flash to a 600w Vbios would kick it up a notch even further.

 

I plan on running those same settings and doing some WoW FP runs to see if CPU utilization bounces even more off of 100% than it does now along with any gains in fps.

 

~62c on mem with +1500 OC after TS run.

 

Gotta say I'm overall happy with my Newegg model. Makes you wonder what it would do under a true block and/or chiller.

Awesome stuff. Yeah, might try that Galax 666W vBIOS and see if it gooses the voltage a little more than 50mV. I doubt you are going to exhaust the power limits with such low voltage.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Using the beta version, even though the slider will go to +100 still caps at 1.1 as @papu indicated.

 

Using exact same settings, clocks boosted up to 3135mhz. Board power increased to ~540w. Temps are still in the 50's.

 

Cool. It sounds like it was a small addition of voltage, but actually enough to make an improvement.

You might try the Galax, Zotac and ASUS GPU tuning software to see if it will give you the full 100mV. I would even try Precision X1 to see if it is compatible and what it can do for 4090. Never hurts to try.

What are your memory temps looking like? I saw a video that showed the Suprim X Liquid memory temps were high because of the memory chips relying on tabs sticking out from the water block cold plate. They changed to ThermalRight high thermal conductivity thermal pads and shaved about 10°C off of the memory temps. They also moved from 1.0mm to 1.5mm pads (yes, thicker) for the memory ICs. Using thicker pads helped the memory but did not hurt core temps.

This is also a good teardown video. The overall build of this GPU is impressive. Some very heavy duty stuff under that aluminum shroud.

In case anyone has experienced the same log-in failures I have at HWBOT Community, this might be useful.

 New login procedure for HWBOT Forum

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Nice results bro Fox 🙂

Thank you. It's getting more difficult to enjoy the sport for reasons such as what you mentioned (quoted below).

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

But is this below tempting? At least 2500$ for 10% more cuda cores and same amount vrm(slightly faster variant) as the 1600$ 4090 FE. Same Board power is just the icing on the cake.

Tempting if you are a silly person. We often lean in the direction of silly when it comes to the strange compulsion to be on top when, at the end of the day, being a winner gets you nothing but a thinner wallet. Unless you are among the chosen elite that get cherry-picked products for free to facilitate marketing propaganda, then it's someone else's wallet.

45 minutes ago, ryan said:

is it collective though? like is it from a highest score or from the total times benchmarked like a certain amount of points each time..

 

It says your 1st out of 4? core i9 rank is what out of 4 people like it doesnt say much.

 

and if it is what it is. then sponsorship must be close

The 3rd place out of 1426 submissions regardless of core count is certainly more meaningful than the hardware specific results. As people lose interest in benching--partly due to garbage tech, partly due to consumer ignorance, partly due to rigged scenarios with sponsors providing cherry-picked parts to chosen subjects and leaderboard politics--placement on the leaderboard is rapidly losing significance. It's a dying sport because of shifting priorities and probably the need for deliberate stealthy grooming of public opinion to distract consumers from the degradation of performance that goes with that territory. Thin, light, low-power have been made popular with a self-adoring population that excludes differing priorities.

It is also worth mentioning that in most CPU and many memory-intensive workloads, Windows 7 steals the show. Windows 8.X, 10 and 11 are harmful to CPU performance. It is very difficult to match physics performance tests like those in 3DMark 11, Sky Diver, wPrime and Cinebench if you are competing against Windows 7 running a newer OS. In spite of the rhetoric about Windows 11 alleged thread scheduling superiority, it's not enough to close the gap. I do not think it is a coincidence that UL/3DMark is categorizing benchmarks like 3DMark 11 and Sky Diver as obsolete/no longer supported. It's because newer OSes can't compete when CPU performance is important to the outcome. It is not because they are no longer relevant from a graphics performance perspective because lots of modern games still use DX11, and lots of people still enjoy older games that use DX11 (and DX9, DX10 for that matter). So, it's ludicrous to take the position that it is not relevant. It's also an interesting "coincidence" that Cinebench R23 was deliberately/conveniently made to not run on Windows 7. 

35 minutes ago, aldarxt said:

True, True, True and we have to recognize China is trying to be the World Domineering Power and alot of the Rhetoric and misinfo in our world is being Fed by them to Destroy U.S.A.'s Dominance.

Exactly that, put to music. The lyrics describe this problem, and others.

12 minutes ago, ryan said:

im new to cpu benchmarking, but doesnt that say you are number 3 in the world>? if so. impressive

 

what does it mean? number 1 with 3dmark 11? or 1st with 13900k

Look closely at the screenshot from HWBOT with the ranking. There is a ranking for same CPU and a ranking for core count, and a third ranking for all CPUs. Same logic applies to GPUs. 

Just now, aldarxt said:

I've heard it said "A Cure for Cancer would Destroy the Economy"

The way that big pharma has been propped up it would definitely hurt the economy from their perspective. Same can be said of many diseases that they don't want to be cured. The goal of big pharma is not public health and well-being, but long-term dependency on the potions and placebos they provide. I am not anti medicine by any means, but I am anti big pharma and big tech and big government.

On 1/27/2023 at 1:21 AM, Etern4l said:

MrT in the US wasn't very different: tax cuts + big infrastructure projects, instead of tightening things up and reigning borrowing in. 

I don't know what kind of dishonest nonsense the mainstream media vomits into the zombie sheeple feeding trough in the UK and EU, but if it remotely resembles the disinformation and leftist propaganda they bombard the public with here, it is nothing short of phenomenal. The current POTUS administration has caused severe damage to the US and Canadian economies on an order of magnitude that dwarfss the greatest presidential leadership failures in decades. This loser's reign of failure and domestic terror comes on the heels of the most successful administration by every legitimate measurement during my lifetime. You'd never know it by watching the "news" though, because they are compulsive liars that control the narrative, manipulate and distort facts and blatantly misrepresent information to push their insane agenda. He could have invented a cure for cancer and they would have hated him for it and called him every name under the sun rather than admit he did something good and right.

3DMark 11 Physics Score https://hwbot.org/submission/5187366 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/15562679

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187340 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88212231

GPU Score: https://hwbot.org/submission/5187355 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88212231

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187322_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88182771

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187315_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88209742

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187310 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88209265

On 1/28/2023 at 1:12 AM, electrosoft said:

So I've been playing with my two MSI Liquid Suprim X 4090s this evening for 3-4hrs... the Best Buy one is definitely worse than the Newegg one I picked up and will be going back ASAP. I'm more than good with the Newegg one.

 

Best buy one = worse boost clocks, worse OC, worse memory OC by a mile, insane coil whine like my bud's Suprim X aircooled model (which at least boosts ~2790 stock).

 

I know it is only guaranteed to hit 2625mhz out of the box but wow.....Feels like my first KPE 3090 out of box clocks all over again on the Best Buy one. For stock, out of the box gaming they're both doing as a 4090 should do but the overclock difference and coil whine is very distinct.

 

Both cards w/ fans 100%, Slider to max (10% (!) ).

Both cards hitting MSI Vbios power limit of ~530w

 

12900k e cores are off, clocks synced to 5.3 all core.

 

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New Egg: (No coil whine till >200fps and then very minor)

 

Out of box game clocks = 2820-2835

Max Mem +1500 (+1575 for benching with some mild artifacting. >+1575 = twinkle city and crash)

Max GPU +225

Max reported clock = 3060 w/ OC

Max board power draw = ~533w

Max temp = ~57c

Hot spot = ~73c

Mem = ~60c

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Best Buy: (Screaming banshee even at 100fps....holy terror at >200fps)

 

Out of box game clocks = 2700-2715 (?)

Max Mem +700 (+750 for benching with some mild artifacting. >+750 = twinkle city and crash)

Max GPU +150

Max reported clock = 2875 w/ OC

Max board power draw = ~533w

Max temp = ~58.5c

Hot spot = ~75c

Mem = ~62c

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Here is the Newegg card in action:

 

 

Does this unlock your voltage slider for the additional 100mV? If so, have you tested it to see if it works?

16 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

That's a huge stretch. This is referring to comparison between different implementations/designs/manufacturing processes. For instance, you could have a cryptominer ASIC designed using different components or implemented using  different fabrication processes etc. Here, we are talking about effectively fairly minute differences in quality between otherwise identical ICs due to the binning process which are all within specification tolerance, and again: GPUs are not ASICs in the first place so that really precludes "ASIC quality" from being applicable. That is just the key confusion here. 

That's the thing though. There is no confusion in the minds of the people having the conversation. Whether or not it was the best terminology to select is certainly open to debate or criticism, and it could be confusing to someone that is unfamiliar with the topic. It's too late to go back to 2012 or whenever that started and undo the use of the term now. If you referred to it in another way today, nobody would know what you are talking about because the precedent is already established.

If I am in Germany and say "nein" it sounds (phoenitically) like a number between eight and ten, but I am saying "no" (not "neun" the Germany word for nine, and pronouced almost the same) and it is only understood in the context of my response and knowledge of the language I am speaking. (I am being silly here, I know, and that is my intent.)

28 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It could have been called anything, really. It could have been called the "Crapification Factor" or "GPU Trash Rating" LOL. In both of these cases, a lower score would be better than a higher score.

8 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

ASIC quality refers to the level of design and manufacturing processes used to produce an Application Specific Integrated Circuit (ASIC). In general, ASIC quality is assessed based on various factors such as design complexity, performance, reliability, power consumption, and manufacturing processes. Higher ASIC quality typically means better performance, lower power consumption, and greater reliability compared to lower-quality ASICs. The term "ASIC quality" is used to differentiate between different levels of ASIC design and manufacturing capabilities, and to help ensure that ASICs are suitable for their intended applications.

 

Makes sense to me, and is consistent with what I wrote in the previous post.

That definition actually seems to validate the logic in the relative use of the term as it relates to suitability for overclocking. While it may not have been the intended purpose of the manufacturer of the GPU, it might be the intended purpose of the purchaser.

It could have been called anything, really. It could have been called the "Crapification Factor" or "GPU Trash Rating" LOL. In both of these cases, a lower score would be better than a higher score.

5 minutes ago, ryan said:

? ? ?

 

like literally the whole world applies it to silicon quality?

It depends on the context of the conversation and the audience you are speaking to. To performance PC enthusiasts and gamers that are curious if their GPU is a winner or loser in the silicon lotter, yes, it is used in reference to that. When used in reference to microprocessor technology in general, for the most part it is agnostic to silicon quality and focused on design intent. 

https://www.abbreviationfinder.org/acronyms/asic.html#aim

I really like this guy's dry, sarcastic and corny sense of humor.

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