Mr. Fox

OK, I finally got the turbo issue sorted on the ASUS mobo. 

22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, screw ups from Redmond is common and can't be avoided if you want to follow up their patches monthly...

 

Microsoft Defender update kills Start Menu shortcuts and program files on Windows

 

 

The possibilities are limited only by their incompetence and lack of concern for the importance of producing a good product. This is 2023, so they rely on end user stupidity and the deception of frequent buggy patches and change only for the sake of change to be mistaken as something useful and beneficial. The exact opposite is true.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nothing, and still clean 4 years later🙂 Imagine this... +4 years old OS without getting any OS patches from Redmond, No patches for the Cpu or Gpu from Intel or Nvidia to fix well known vulnerabilities. And no working antivirus software.

I do not need to even try to imagine this. It is my normal modus operandi. OS updates are especially unimportant and easily the fastest and most effective way of increasing the possibility that your system is going to be effed up in one or more ways.

57 minutes ago, ryan said:

does anyone actually own a i9 13900ks----->?

53 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

@Talon has tried a few and @tps3443 basically has a upper mid tier 13900ks with his binned 13900k.

 

13900KS definitely bin better overall and some of the samples showing up are pretty monstrous. Even mid tier 13900ks chips are upper 13900k chips.

 

 

Basically a rerun of the scenario between 12900K and 12900KS. Anyone planning to buy a 13th Gen i9 CPU that is not a KS would probably do well to limit their selection to 13900KF to avoid bottom-of-the-barrel silicon. The best 13900K samples will likely be branded as a 13900KS.

4 hours ago, ryan said:

isn't simple the new trend given android and chromes success

I do not like either of them, and the latest versions of them are less desirable than the versions they replace. In that respect, Winduhz 11  is a downgrade that is true to form and consistent with the way things are headed with Android and ChromeOS.

52 minutes ago, ryan said:

ok man... at first i was wtf. but now i get it. spyware is not a fun game. but bro dont you think windoze 11 should be like a lite windows 7? given trends

No. Given current trends, things should probably be worse than how terrible it already is. The current trends are not for the better.

Edit: I have spent the past 10 minutes thinking about it, and I am unable to indentify anything meaningful that is better today than it was 2, 4 or 6 years ago. Literally everything that actually matters is trending undesirably now. That's the trend, so Winduhz 11 is in keeping with the trend.

9 hours ago, ryan said:

does anyone bench on windows 11. wondering if my scores would be higher on 10

I do, and most things are the same or worse than a recent version Windows 10. Setting aside my general dislike of it, I do not believe you will find it useful for benching. When it comes to benching I will use whatever OS produces the highest scores, even if I do not like the OS. I haven't identified anything (yet) that Windows 11 is better at. I haven't gained performance in anything, but have lost some here and there.  It's essentially a dumbed-down version of the latest W10 OS with an uglier and more inefficient GUI skin.

For gaming, six of one, half dozen of the other. It doesn't matter. Unless you are struggling to hit 60, a variance of 5 to 10 FPS is irrelevant and within a normal margin of error.

I have found it difficult to manualy select a font color that is easy to read regardless of the forum theme selected, so I leave the color selection on "auto" for that reason. What is easy to read on a dark background is not good on a light background, and vice versa. It is probably worse for those of us that are partially colorblind. Dark colors on a dark background and light colors on a light backgroup are a challenge for me.

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

That makes sense, alas the greatest cost of gaming is the lost time, which is why I quit some time ago and we don't game. If someone can play an hour a day, great - that's reasonable, more power to them - I can't, I'm too competitive.

When other people in your life are not into it, you take some flak for it, too. I have an addictive personality. When I enjoy something I want to binge on it, but I also get burnt out on it easily.

My pattern is, I may go a year without playing anything. Then I will pick something up, like it a lot and play it for 20+ hours in one or two days on a weekend, then never touch it again, or anything else for months.

If I do not become mesmerized with it during the first 15-20 minutes then chances are great I will never touch it again. I think that part is fairly common. That could be why we do not see playable game demos as often as we used to. For me, the demo was usually enough to get as much out of it as I ever would, and convince me not to waste money on it. That, or I added it to my list of titles I liked well enough to buy whenever the price dropped to $20 or less. Many of them have never been installed, so I will have lots to keep me busy in retirement, LoL.

Many of the games I own were purchased only for an included benchmark, and many of the playable demos included a benchmark. That made buying them unnecessary. Some I can immediately tell from the benchmark that I would hate the game. Best examples here are the Final Fantasy benchmarks. 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Thanks bro Rage 🙂 We Norwegians is weird people, LOOL

 

This is a nice post for bro @Mr. Fox People will never learn!!!

 

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?117609-DRIVERS-Intel-Chipset-MEI-SATA-VMD-(1xx-2xx-3xx-4xx-5xx-6xx-7xx)&p=881836#post881818

 

My response below...

 

 

End result....

 

 

Edit. And same mess here with same "not needed" driver... Yep, some people never learn 

 

Silly, silly people. Always in search of a newer driver... because newer is always better newer. They will never learn because they have been taught wrong and still believe the crap that they were told. Somebody they thought was smarter them, but wasn't, set them up for failure.

What makes it so sad/stupid/messed up is they think they are "optimizing" their system, but what they are really doing is choking it and making it slower.

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

They all will soon go with white models. I expect they do it because of the never stopping (RGB) bling bling trend. White reflect colors a lot more than black. I expect Black chassis still have the bigger audience. My sons chassis is white, but if everything have been white it wouls become awful. The black parts inside the white box make it look a lot better. All white theme will never match all black. Too much of the white color will destroy the whole look for white chassis. Too much black in a black box can't go wrong. 

 

As you can see... Black fresh up the whole white.

 

The only thing we can count on at this point is the continuation of bad decisions by people who should not be making decisions. Black parts in a white case certainly looks much better than white-on-white or white parts in a black case. White on white is the worst-looking combination. It has no character and is very boring. 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

It’s what it is bro Fox. Modern times. And I expect it’s a lot easier sell this card in the used market than any of the other brands fancy looking cards. I can clearly see that in the retail shops. Always sold out within hours. And we don’t lack 4090 cards in the shops here. A lot of them. Aftermarket is important so you can reduce your loss when it’s time to move on to next level of overpriced graphics cards. 

 

But, if you want to empty your stomach... Look no other places than  here 

 

And Nvidia play the silicon lottery for their consumers... NVIDIA to introduce new variants of Ada GPUs. Starts with already overpriced 4080 die. 

I think a lot of people that buy them just don't care about the color. White is only popular with the people that like it, and they are a minority. From what I understand, (not sure how accurate the data is,) black cases outsell white cases by like an 8 to 1 margin. ASUS seems to have some people with abnormal aesthetic preferences making decisions. They make what they like and if customers end users don't like it they don't care. I think white look beautiful when it is brand new and belongs to someone else. As soon as it gets dirty, scuffed or scratched, or if I have to look at it for longer than a day or two I am ready to get rid of it. Every blemish screams "over here... look at me" LOL.

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Update on build '23. I was sweating for about an hour trying to figure out how to get the massive radiator in, but finally got it. This lianLi lancool is an awesome case. Trying to tone down the unicorn piss, but some software is not supported in Windows 7.

Try OpenRGB. It will probably work. It is what I use because the alternatives provided by the motherboard OEMs are pure dung even on a supported OS. ASUS Aura/Armory Crate is beyond horrible. It is so bad it should be against the law. It makes most of the other digital cancer look like the neatest thing since sliced bread. It not only constantly malfunction, it adds more performance-killing, resource-leeching bloat to a system than any other piece of garbage software that I have ever seen before.

The LanCool III is the first of the LanCool series that I like. I did not care for its predecessors. It looks wonderful. I wish they made a version of it that was three or four inches larger in each direction. I would have to have one if they did. It is certainly priced right for what you get... very good value for the money. I used to want the O11 Dynamic XL, but it has become so ordinary that I no longer like it. It still looks nice, but it is so common (including copycat cases) that it has lost distinction at this point.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

@Papusan Go big or go home bro! 🙂

 

 

Just based on my personal preference, but dadgum... that is one hella butt-ugly GPU. I bet the kiddos just love the worthless card and tacky ring. I guess dreams are inclusive of nightmares, so by that measurement it could be my dream GPU, LOL.

53 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Bro @electrosoft is not available at this time, and who can blame him 😉

Hmm... I scanned through his last few posts to see what I missed, but I am not spotting it. What happened with Brother @electrosoft? I hope nothing bad.

On 1/13/2023 at 5:59 PM, Papusan said:

Remember where it come from. Pcworld got it from... A popular PC subreddit, warning AMD graphics card owners of a malicious website.... 

 

Wccftech only wanted a piece of the cake😎

 

AMD have been in stormy weather lately so why not throw more wood on the fire

 

Edit. This showed up in the used market here home. 300$ off used. Probably discovered that the liquid X is of awful bin quality. Say its brand new and unopened. But why not just return it for refund if its brand new?

 

I am always suspicious when I see unopened BNIB listings for computer parts that are deeply discounted. I tend to be cynical, but I always first assume they are stolen. (Entire truckloads of CPUs, GPUs, motherboards, laptops, printers, etc. being stolen is fairly common.) If they are not stolen, then what? Being suspicious of good deals from people you do not know that never have to look you in the eye, or interact with you in a forum like this, is the best approach. Scams used to be few and far between, but now they are status quo and as common as dirt.

5 hours ago, Raiderman said:

So the beast build begins 🤟🤟

That looks really nice. Please post more photos (inside and outside) after you have the build complete.

6 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah i noticed that looking at it more closely. makes more sense

 

pretty good looking benchmark/ do you know of any good ue5 benchmarks?

Gears of War 5? I think that is UE5, isn't it? I know I have some on my computer. I remember seeing the logo on loading screens, but I don't really pay that close attention to it since I do not do a great deal of gaming on a frequent basis. If I like it and it runs good I don't usually look at what engine it runs on. Epic has a lot of UE-based offerings 

24 minutes ago, ryan said:

 

just bought speedway. its nice for upper end hardware. I was getting 19fps with my 3060. its def a test for the 4090

Notice that the benchmark score is merely an expression of the average frames per second. You can see that in your score and you can see that in this example from my 3060 Ti. While it is not very scientific or creative, it seems logical and simple enough.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Im not happy with how der8auers did the testing and how he show the results while the bench run. And weird he didn't test with liquid metal with the vanilla EK Velocity WB and the contact frame. 

We will get a more accurate view of how it works when I get mine because right now I am running delidded CPU with liquid metal on top and bottom of the IHS. This is how I was able to see the original version of the SuperCool direct die block was a failure on 12900K. Had I only compared with stock solder and normal paste it might have seemed like a good product even though it was a failure.

The more the die size shrinks and more cores are added, the more concentrated the heat is in a small area, so I expect the benefits and gains of delids and bare die configurations to be less evident. You can only put 5 pounds of sand in a 5 pound bag. At some point you can only remove a certain amount of heat because it is passing through a small surface. Also like the diameter of the hose and the size of the nozzle on a fire hose limits the amount of water than you can push out of the hose. You can add more water pressure, but the volume will be limited by the volumetric capacity of the hose.

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@Talon BIOS 2.08 (E699 DARK K|NGP|N / E698 Classified)

 

Please note that this is a Beta BIOS, but it is stable enough for those of you who wish to test to give it a shot. 

• Updates CPU microcode to 10E and provides microcode option 105 (has lower VID value)
• Supports CPU 13900KS OC table.
• Supports CPU 13100.
• Adds undervolt protection item (Microcode 10E only).
• Adds CPU power limit item.
• Improves memory stability.

So far I find nothing to complain about. The ability to at-will change from CPU microcode 10E to 105 is nice and 105 microcode definitely lowered VID. My memory overclocking seems to be great as well. Unless I find something I do not like that I have not seen yet, I think this is the best BIOS update they have had since launch.

21 minutes ago, ryan said:

with love from canada. you have no good option

Well, certainly not until we take the trash. Canada is in an equally horrible spot with the Trudeau Clown Possee.

But, hallelujah, that is starting now. Republicans do not need to accomplish anything new to be successful. If they can block the socialist left agenda from moving forward and undo some of their messes it will be a huge win for America and an accomplishment in its own right. A lot of damage has been done in just two short years under the dominion of utterly insane, evil people.

There may be hope, but the first step is stopping the insanity in its tracks. This is a good start.

LOL... 🤣 things are going to start getting fun very soon. I just love seeing the panic set in when the tables get turned and you give them a taste of their own medicine poison. As they say, "what's good for the goose..." Hopefully, it is not too late to undo all of the damage they have caused.

19 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Anyone have a Microcenter near them, they could see about maybe buying a Asus Z790 Hero and I could buy it from them and pay shipping.?😞

 

I cannot find one that is reasonably priced at all. They are all $775-$1,000 USD online and then taxes and shipping on top of that. The scalper industry is just so sad right now. 

Did you even find one at a Microcenter? It is rare to find one available anywhere except from scalpers. I am not sure why availability is so poor. Maybe just a way to keep pricing jacked up. Even at MSRP ($700) on the ASUS store page it is overpriced. It wouldn't be as bad if their warranty and support service were not so slow and sucky.

It would be nice if we started seeing ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte and others do like EVGA and essentially only sell their products on their own store pages or micro-sites managed through their own sales department and cut out resellers entirely. This would help keep prices in check, as the OEM would determine the price, and anything sold through another channel would be deemed as undesirable overpriced scalper/gray market trash, or consumer-to-consumer sales or used parts.

@Talon BIOS 2.08 (E699 DARK K|NGP|N / E698 Classified)

Please note that this is a Beta BIOS, but it is stable enough for those of you who wish to test to give it a shot. 

• Updates CPU microcode to 10E and provides microcode option 105 (has lower VID value)
• Supports CPU 13900KS OC table.
• Supports CPU 13100.
• Adds undervolt protection item (Microcode 10E only).
• Adds CPU power limit item.
• Improves memory stability.

Edit: So far I find nothing to complain about. The ability to at-will change from CPU microcode 10E to 105 is nice and 105 microcode definitely lowered VID. My memory overclocking seems to be great as well. Unless I find something I do not like that I have not seen yet, I think this is the best BIOS update they have had since launch.

17 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

China is more on the opposite site of the world from your perspective. The UK is 7 hours ahead of MT in Arizona and just 5 hours vs ET. If you could fly high enough, you could just about wave at us, or at least at the Irish 🙂

Yes, you're absolutely right. I was using that terminology as a figure of speech, not intended literally. On the West Coast we often refer to people from the East Coast as being "from the opposite/other side of the world/planet" in casual conversation and that is what I was doing here. Russia is a half day (12 hours) ahead of my time zone (Mountain). I think @ryanmay be in the Pacific Time Zone.

13 minutes ago, ryan said:

oldest drivers

 

 

newest drivers

 

newest is overclocked but the difference is still huge

CPU performance is degraded with the newer driver (which is unfortunately very common). Do not compare stock with overclocked. It will lead you to very wrong conclusions and false assumptions. It is important to keep everything as consistent as possible, including ambient temperatures. A minor increase in ambient temperature can lower GPU scores. It only takes an increase of 1°C to take you past the threshold of the point where firmware will drop the GPU clock down by the next step in the bin. It can also go the other way. A decrease of 1°C can be all it takes to allow the GPU to boost a bin higher. Either way, benchmark scores will immediately reflect that change.

14 minutes ago, ryan said:

@Etern4lI'm doing that but their is no one driver being used they all fluctuate. Im benching another driver as I type..hopefully google can pull one out of the smoke with a search

The best place to start is often the first or second driver released on a new GPU launch. So, figure out when your GPU was first released and test the first and second driver, maybe third. Things often start going downhill after that, but the Green Goblin puts its best foot forward at launch to make the new GPU stand out from the GPU it is intended to replace. Older is often better where drivers are concerned. The exception is the changes they do to fix glitches with specific game titles, and those fixes might be good for the game, but maybe not so good for benching. Then, they do so-called "security" updates and those are almost always bad for performance. I am not aware of any example, ever, of a computer performing better after security updates are applied.