54 minutes ago, ryan said:

if i put a steak dinner on a trash can lid. would people eat it? apparently they will

Honestly, it would not surprise me if some people eat while sitting on a toilet. The sheeple believe what they are told. That makes paying more to get less understandable because they're believing lies, trusting liars, and being mislead about getting less. But, it doesn't explain the rationale for carte blanche paying way too much no matter how truly great and amazing it might truly be (4090 is the example here). Everything is a poor value and nothing is priced consistent with the value it offers (or doesn't offer). It adds insult to injury when you are getting a piece of garbage that is severely overpriced.

On 2/19/2023 at 1:34 PM, Papusan said:

This is nothing new. They just can't make it right. 

It will never be a "good" OS, just as Windowz 8.X and Windoze 10 were never a "good" OS. Each release has merely been a different gradient of product development failure.

3 hours ago, KING19 said:

Good and bad are determined based on what supports or calls attention to the stupidity of their agenda, not what is actually good or bad. Common sense and an elemental, animalistic level of decency gets in the way of their agenda.

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

Not sure what this guy is doing, but don't do like him....

https://hwbot.org/submission/5204031_zippytek_unigine_superposition___1080p_xtreme_geforce_rtx_4090_22650_points

 

Almost all his scores are low with his HOF card.....

ZippyTek is from Egypt. Unless he is running his stuff inside of a meat locker probably everything is thermal throttled, LOL. That, or his HOF card wasn't a winner in the silicon lottery. I suspect there are some that are not.

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1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Maybe his sample is trash?

I suspect so. Probably the most reasonable way to explain the poor results.

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Have yet to attempt running GPU-Z in Wine etc. Kind of procrastinating on this presumably frustrating endavour lol

I do not think there is a way to tell in Linux. Nobody doing Linux software development cares enough to have taken time to do it. They might be Linux enthusiasts, but it seems that none (or very few) are actually performance PC hardware enthusiasts. Those that are use Windows for that and Linux for everything else.

I have not seen Samsung or Hynix GDDR6X (only GDDR6 - no X). My Kingpin card Micron. My 3060 Ti FTW3 has Samsung GDDR6 (no X). You can see what brand the memory is on the main tab of GPU-Z.

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

If you get a card at $1800 in US then I have to pay $2250. And for that price you'll get the cheapest of the gamer cards. If thats the only option I would let it be and instead go for a cheap used card. For my needs. I don't want spend money on a card I don't want. Cheap or expensive doesn't matter. If I don't like it... I don't buy it.

I paid $1799 for the 4090 Suprim Liquid X and other than the HOF like you have it is the best 4090 money can buy. Excluding the HOF it is at the top of the food chain in terms of power delivery design and probably has no match except for the Strix that is never available and always overpriced, and has a terrible warranty by a horrible company. I would definitely pay the extra to get the HOF, but I would not pay extra for a Strix. I would accept a Zotac AMP Extreme AIRO if I could get it for $1799, or a Suprim X (no liquid). The only thing I did not like about the Liqud X was the AIO cooler. I never even removed the plastic film on it because I had no intention of leaving it.

4 hours ago, Etern4l said:

The link I posted earlier had people hint at durability issues. Again the conservative approach here would be to assume that the skunk hasn't really changed its stripes 🙂

In practice the stripes may have improved, but the 4090 is a relatively new card, will need more time and bold overclockers to guinea pig this and verify the reliability profile over time. 

Being able to identify with certaintly exactly what brand of VRAM is going to be used by a particular OEM on a particular GPU model is challenging. We have seen examples of them using what is available to them, which might fluctuate to some degree.

Looks like Roman is having issues with the Strix 4090 not functioning in 16x mode. I think he is right about the memory. I have noticed that on Port Royal scores as well. Applied to 3090 as well. 

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

LooL. I don't have the small ladies hands. What a useless gimmick/addons.

It kind of makes sense when you consider that Chinese people are generally not very large people. Those gloves are probably "normal" size in their culture. They are generally not very tall and do not have large hands or feet. They are generally healthier though, due to diet and lifestyle.

13 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Micron VRAM. Nuff said. Sorry to hear, must be annoying, but good thing you ordered from Amazon and it happened within the return period. 

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Micron is an issue on Turing. Do you have any links to multiple issues with Micron ram on 3000/4000 series?

11 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

I know, Micron VRAM was doa on my Turing laptop, Micron makes the slowest DDR5 etc. As for the links, first hit on Google bro, looks like there are more. 

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/rtx-4090-and-memory-chip-degradation.1804008/

 

The word is that SK Hynix and Samsung memory is better.

It was an issue for sure on 20-series. GDDR Memory (including Micron) has improved with time, but I generally agree that SK Hynix and Samsung are preferred for both GDDR and system memory. Micron is generally fine for normal use scenarios, but usually does not overclock well. That seems to not be true though with GDDR6X. Micron clocks right along fine with GDDR6X, but no intel on whether or not it is durable.

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I do have a question though. Is this bios reset light on the bottom supposed to be stuck on white 24/7?

White tells you that BIOS #1 is selected. If you  move the selection switch to BIOS #2 it will turn a really icky bright red color.  Both of the bright LEDs suck, but the red is a whole lot worse.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Sounds like something besides the memory in that situation.

 

Either way, that sounds like an AP (Amazon Problem) not a YP (You Problem).

I agree. It acts like it has an onboard fuse that is blown or something. It was working fine. I wasn't using the computer when it stopped working, it was just idling with nothing open except for Outlook.

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

That was a decent sample too..... 🥲 You could always work out logistics with @Papusan and really splurge on an HOF!

I would if I could get it for $1799 USD after Amazon refunds my money. But, I don't want to pay $2,000+ for a GPU. Too much. Even $1800 is too much. Since the only reason I want it is for benching, and I don't make any money benching or get cherry picked parts for free, it is too much money just for fun. That ludicrous cost starts taking the fun out of it if I think about how much it cost me, and then I start regretting it. As soon as I've benched it as far as it can go, then I start regretting it all over again because all the fun and games are over at that point and there is not left to do that is exciting.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, my Suprim died today. While working on my other computer I looked over and saw the screen was black, like it had gone to sleep. I always disable that. Jiggled the mouse and tapped a few keys and nothing. Powered off and on and motherboard beeps and shows D6. Pulled it out and tried it on the other computer and same thing. Started a refund with Amazon. No exchange available, so I put the 3060 Ti in my benching rig while I ponder whether or not to bother finding another 4090.

 

I am so glad that I hadn't already sold the spare GPU. I'd be up the creek with no paddle if I had.

Just for giggles, I put the 4090 in the second PCIe slot on the Dark mobo and connected everything. Booted from the 3060 Ti in the primary slot and loaded Windows. Nothing in Device Manager. It does not even detect that it is in the slot, which is consistent with the BIOS error D6 (no graphics device found). 

8 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Micron VRAM. Nuff said. Sorry to hear, must be annoying, but good thing you ordered from Amazon and it happened within the return period. 

That is exactly why I bought it from Amazon. It was a rare opportunity for the price on a "sold and shipped" option. All of the other sources are about $300 more. I never would have purchased it anywhere except Amazon or Best Buy (since I have no Microcenter) because of their return policy.

1 minute ago, Custom90gt said:

 

It's been a rough time for you and hardware recently.

It has. I'm not sure I am going to replace it. Had Amazon had another in stock and could have exchanged it, I would have. There was a part of me that regretted spending $1799 on it, so we'll see once the refund shows up. Definitely not going to do anything until the money is back in my account.

Well, my Suprim died today. While working on my other computer I looked over and saw the screen was black, like it had gone to sleep. I always disable that. Jiggled the mouse and tapped a few keys and nothing. Powered off and on and motherboard beeps and shows D6. Pulled it out and tried it on the other computer and same thing. Started a refund with Amazon. No exchange available, so I put the 3060 Ti in my benching rig while I ponder whether or not to bother finding another 4090.

I am so glad that I hadn't already sold the spare GPU. I'd be up the creek with no paddle if I had.

It is easy to forget, and some people have never experienced, what a difference thread, core and channel count can make. HEDT overclockers understand based on experience that "clock is king" only applies in an apples-to-apples comparison. A 32C/64T CPU with octa-channel memory can do a whole heck of a lot more more during the same span of time than a CPU with half as many cores and threads and half as many memory channels. You'd be hard-pressed to be able to push the consumer CPU hard enough to close the gap. The exception can be when the consumer CPU is newer tech with a significantly higher IPC performance. You can fairly easily do this when the HEDT CPU is an antique. But, that (again) would not be an apple-to-apple comparison.

The one stand-out about the antique HEDT CPU is how long it can remain king of the hill. It can usually outperform a consumer platform anywhere from 3 to 5 years, depending on how fast things are advancing on the consumer side.

4K and 8K place less emphasis on the CPU and RAM performance (though they still play a role to some degree) and force the GPU into performing most of the work.

Superposition 8K Optimized

Mr. Fox - Score: 14044 - 8K Optimized - 13900K - RTX 4090 - ECC Enabled

UNIGINE Superposition benchmark score

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UNIGINE Superpsition detailed score page

Mr. Fox - Score: 15224 - 8K Optimized - 13900K - RTX 4090 - ECC Disabled

UNIGINE Superposition benchmark score

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UNIGINE Superpsition detailed score page

Superposition 4K Optimized

Mr. Fox - Score: 37616 - 4K Optimized - 13900K - RTX 4090 - ECC Enabled

UNIGINE Superposition benchmark score

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UNIGINE Superpsition detailed score page

Mr. Fox - Score: 39406 - 4K Optimized - 13900K - RTX 4090 - ECC Disabled

UNIGINE Superposition benchmark score

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UNIGINE Superpsition detailed score page

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Regarding the apps. I don't think Galax apps will works properly on other cards. Todays' modern tech as you know. Once nvidia get rid of Galax in the same way as they did with EVGA.... All we have left is Gamer toy cards with even more fancy back-plates and more ARGB bling bling lights over the whole card.

If you can get the XOC vBIOS and app from Galax let's try it with my Suprim and see what happens. You never know. There were things that were not supposed to work like the Kingpin vBIOS and Classified tool did work with my shunt modded 2080 Ti FTW3. The KPE vBIOS worked great and even the Classified tool increased the voltage. The sliders did not work on the Classified tool, but simply launching it caused the voltage max to increase. I used the voltage curve tool with MSI Afterburner to trick it into going higher. I will take the extra GPU core voltage any way it can get it.  I think you have to contact Galax to get it with proof of ownership of the HOF card, just as the only way you could get the XOC vBIOS and Classified tool for EVGA was to email Vince and provide your EVGA invoice and serial number. I am using the 666W HOF vBIOS right now. I think they may have a 1000W HOF XOC vBIOS for the 4090. The 2000W HOF XOC vBIOS also worked fine on my 2080 Ti FTW3.

I think you made the right decision. I am glad that the Strix GPU was never available and you ended up with the HOF. I believe you are going to be better off  in every way with the HOF. I have heard Galax warranty service sucks, but we already know that is true of ASUS. I doubt Galax is worse than ASUS. QC from ASUS is also terrible. Galax did not get the reputation they have by selling sloppy broken garbage like ASUS does.

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

I really like this fan feature. All brands models should have this instead for all the bling bling. From 4:55

 

Wow, those fans are crazy. 😄

I wonder where that XOC app that looks a bit like Classified can be downloaded? I would love to try that on my GPU to see if it functions. Classified does not. I tried Google searching and nothing, and I do not find it on their web site.

2 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

i guesstimated 70-75, thats badass, i assume around 50 at idle?

No, that screenshot was at idle.

5 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

@Mr. Fox
curious to learn how many background process are running for you while you bench?

Around 60-65.

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

You're physics score is excellent.

MrFox`s 3DMark - Fire Strike score: 70684 marks with a GeForce RTX 4090

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22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This one also taste sweet... That WHEA 17 issue I was dealing with that I thought wasn't related to this is looking like it was caused by a faulty 12VHPWR cable from CableMod. I've switched back to the Nvidia adapter and my issues have gone away (for now). Someone else with the same exact error found this to be the cause of their display losing signal and crashing and are in the process of an RMA from CableMod.

 

So don't throw away the hated Nvidia cable salad😀

That is the one you were using on the GPU you returned?

I have the basic plastic $20 CableMod cable and it is working OK. None of the nicer sleeved "Pro" cables were available. Which type do you have? I have a sleeved Pro version on order.

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Does this looks better? Only for the chosen one. And all the talk about fair competition. Isn't it sweet?

It is not competition. It is staged/rigged and the selected players are predestined for having the illusion of greatness bestowed upon them. The only way that they can make sure things go according to plan is by keeping secrets and denying access to those not selected. There is no intent that anything be fair, only that things happen exactly as planned.

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This doesn't look good. 

 

PSA: Corrosion Happening on ASUS ROG Z690 Formula VRM Block, Company Remains Silent

I've been using the ASUS ROG Z690 Formula motherboard in all my recent CPU water block reviews, and also detailed it here for a specific EK VRM bridge block article. While the board has reached end-of-life status at ASUS internally, the company's customers are only just starting to face problems. The board's unique selling point is that it comes with an optional CrossChill EK III hybrid VRM thermal solution, which is effectively a waterblock for your VRMs to keep them cool at all times. Based on ASUS's official advertisement of "nickel-plated" and EK's involvement, everybody assumed that the material used is nickel-plated copper, but it turns out it's something different, most probably nickel-plated aluminium.

This is not the first time that ASUS has failed the material mix in their watercooling products. The first generation ROG Formula motherboard VRM blocks used plated-aluminium that introduced corrosion when added to a watercooling loop that has copper/brass/steel components elsewhere. Mixing metals in a watercooling loop is a bad idea and will result in galvanic corrosion from the different electrochemical potential of the metals. This can result in the block etching off and flakes/chunks getting in the loop to create an increasingly worse reaction with the coolant used. This can lead to blocked channels and even pump failure due to the corroded materials jamming the impeller.

    

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Yikes! That looks really bad.