Mr. Fox

I've enjoyed the good life and I'm not ready to leave this floating chunk of rock, but I am not afraid of where I am going when I leave. A great place is being prepared for me. I would only be sad for those that get left behind. I won't miss them, but they will miss me. Seems like they draw the short straw.

12 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

...........and another rig will lose Windows 7🤣. I might as well get a 7900xtx

I'm still looking to replace everything Microsoft with Linux in my life. As much as I love Windows 7, I want to control my destiny and deprive the Redmomd Reprobates of the privilege of counting me among those who have bowed before their Throne of Filth and sworn allegiance to their depraved World Order. The longer I try to hold on to Windows 7 the more challenging it will be to cut my losses and rid myself of their demonic influence.

They are not as horrible as Apple. But, in at least one way they are worse than Apple. Apple has always sucked, and always will. The Redmond Reprobates know what greatness looks like, and they have deliberately chosen a path of suckiness.

Just now, ryan said:

I'm really sorry. I didn't have bad intentions but I bought a N4100 spin 311 4gb 32gb chromebook, i'm just tired of this crap. I gave in.

 

also a close friend just died at the age of 27, so sad I don't know how to feel besides depressed. RIP felicity

Hey there it is nothing wrong with a Chromebook. It's probably the only logical use of the BGA filth and it's actually appropriate for a thin and light portable device. For the price, it's hard to find fault in them. You get what you pay for, unlike the so-called gaming notebook trash that costs a lot, delivers little, and shows us all what failure on a grand scale looks like.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I hope that eternity finds her in a better place, free of sorrow and the trials we will endure in her absence.

25 minutes ago, ryan said:

some of you guys should be sponsored, I just dont get it. obviously biso biso used texture tweaks, bascially tod with a 0 value.prob looked like 2 squares. because when they were given the world they didn't produce..

 

 

@Papusan @Mr. Fox @electrosoft @tps3443 @Rage Set @Etern4l yes you eternal just cuz your unreasonably smart. too smart...dumb yourself down why don't you

Now you are making me blush. Thank you.

2 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

 

Perhaps, if I had the A770 at the very beginning of its launch, I would have a different opinion. As it stands now, the A770 is criminally underrated. I had it installed in my 11900K gaming build, testing it with several games and I had none of the major problems that were reported. If there were cheaper blocks for it, I would have blocked it already....however I love how the cooler looks and feels.

I still want one. Maybe I should sell the 3060 Ti as well and replace it with one 

37 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

I remember being on IRC winbeta downloading pirate betas of XP. Loved those days. @Mr. FoxAMD's integrated driver, and wifi does not have a windows 7 driver either. I just disable them, and I installed an Intel 7265 PCIE dual band card for 7. But you are correct in that Windows 7 is dying, and there is nothing we can do about it. Just as the early days of Android being a blast to customize, and hack. Now those days are gone as well. It seems that anything anyone enjoys is taken away, and replaced with crap (Ie Windows 8, 8.1, 10, 11). I have still yet to try 11, as nothing about it seems to compel me to.

I don't use WiFI either on my desktops. And, I do not use Intel integrated graphics. My Dark does not support it and the CPU in my Strix mobo doesn't even have it. But, the world around us embraces filth, and we will all ultimately have nothing greater than whatever the lowest common denominators of our species are willing to put up with. Like Albert Einstein said, genius is limited, but stupidity is not.

Windows 11 has no redeeming qualities. I use it at least 8 hours a day and can't identify anything about it that reflects goodness or excellence.

14 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

But that means no more Windows 7 for brother @Mr. Fox Unless you have found a working driver for it?

I will still have two desktops and Linux is running on both of them, and the 3060 Ti runs like a top on Windows 7 just as the 3090 does. So, I won't be stuck with using W10/11 garbage exclusively.

But, you can bet your booty I am going to try to find, or do my own, driver mod.  Chances are slim it will work, but it won't be for lack of trying. Windows 7 is still the best version of Windows.

The day is going to come (too soon) when using W7 is as difficult as using WindowsXP due to lack of driver support. There are already some things (Intel graphics, Intel WiFi 6, etc.) that can't and don't work because of deliberate interference from the control freak Nazi tech dictatorship. I'm not happy about that, but there's nothing we can do about it. When you have nothing good to eat and you're only remaining option is starving to death, sometimes you have to go dumpster-diving. Try to avoid the maggots.

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

The merit is clearly there for some setups, whereas there influencer #1's intro made it sound like it's the best thing since sliced bread overall, which is equally clearly misleading. 

 

A fairly minor social media gripe 🙂 rather than anything else - enjoy the build bro. 

That's why I posted the Tom Logan video next to KitGuru because it helped bring some balance to the Kool-Aid drinking ceremony. When I first saw it and the opportunity presented to give it a go, I was initially skeptical because it is different. The overly positive KitGuru review allowed me to see it installed and now I am less skeptical than my first impressions.

I will be doing a formal review on it within the next couple of weeks, so if there is anything about it that sucks it will be identified without any mincing of words. It is supposed to arrive tomorrow based on the tracking number I received. I'll put a link to the review in this thread once it is done. I will probably wait to begin testing it until I receive the 4090 late next week since this PSU is ATX 3.0 and has native 12VHPWR support.

Maybe Brothers @Rage Setand @electrosoftcan tell us how this new driver is working out.

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

With all due respect for the bro YT influencer there, as someone who makes system config changes relatively infrequently, I'd rather have the cables tucked in and out of sight deeper inside the case rather than all exposed on the side in a rather unsightly manner and potentially interfering with the side panel. Yes, access is less convenient, but not prohibitively so by any means. BTW I also don't understand the concern about the Type 4 connectors not being spaced out enough in the AX1600i, as a Tom's review claimed IIRC. No issue with that whatsoever. 

 

I imagine the side layout could work quite well with an open bench (although would it matter then?), a very wide / cube / non - standard case, or for someone reconnecting stuff on a very regular basis though. 

I think there is a good justification for this. If your space behind the motherboard tray and side panel is too narrow it might be an issue. But, think of cases like the Lian Li 011 Dynamic (including the mini and XL versions) and similar designs from other brands. The PSU could be the perfect candidate for some cases. The cables would point vertically and the PSU is installed vertically, with the fan pointing toward the side panel. A small case or a long PSU does not leave much space when the cables connect horizontally at the end and they easliy collide with other things at the end of the PSU. Seems like a really smart idea to me. It might not be in certain scenarios based on chassis design.

I am looking forward to testing the arrangment and can certainly see the merit to it depending on the chassis.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Damn happy I don't need have to struggle with this. I can even add in a second +1000W PSU and still have enough space for double up of cables. 

I am envious of your beautiful case (not the price of it) and you don't have to worry about some things like other people do because it is so large. I wish there were more tower cases as large as that one. It is unfortunate how small and cramped most of them are. I really hate cramped workspaces of any kind. Always better to have more room than what is  necessary. You can ignore what extra you have that you do not need, but if you run out of space that just sucks.

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I ordered a MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X and I am debating whether to put the 3090 Kingpin in my work computer and sell the 3060 Ti FTW3 or vice versa. I got lucky and snagged a "sold and shipped by Amazon" GPU for $1799. No third-party seller drama and no scalper fees.

I am also going to be receiving one of these new products. More to follow in the near future.

I might actually be able to use the 3.5-inch drive cage/caddy in the basement of my Corsair case with this. (Can't with the 1600W PSU cables coming out of the PSU in the traditional fashion.)

7 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Has anyone found that XMP profiles use voltages that are significantly higher than what is actually needed for stable operation? 

My experience has been the opposite in some cases. I have needed to add voltage to avoid errors in memory stability testing at least half the time, even though most XMP profiles have sloppy loose timings and perform poorly. I think the reason they use such sloppy timings is because they are pursuing low voltage and care less about performance than keeping the voltage low. Also have to factor in variance in motherboard and CPU quality.

4 minutes ago, ryan said:

welp im done. no point. all I gain is like 1-2 fps which is pointless and its not fun seeing 0 progress. back in the day all these little changes added up. I literally did like 40 tweaks and nothing made a difference not even 20 points. all false positives and margin of error. I think drivers make the mains

 

 

I honestly think HP has nerfed this laptop. preventing tweaking ect. 

All laptops are nerfed, so don't feel too bad about it. Anything that is thin and light BGA rubbish is going to suffer from the bar being set very low and have limited potential. It's an inescapable reality. I know it is very frustrating to burn so many calories and see little or no change, and inconsistent results.

4 hours ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

not smart to use global setting with these selections, it is best to do it per application,

setting these in global means dGpu is always running at max power increasing heat in a mobile chassis needlessly (likely there's an iGpu there too), when its per application system will run much cooler with less power consumption until an application that needs dGpu power is running, same applies for desktop only there the heat retention is usually less critical than in a mobile chassis,

Good point, but it's also not smart to build or buy something like that in the first place. The problems with heat, power and build quality are a self-fulfilling prophecy.

15 minutes ago, Papusan said:

@Mr. Fox Congrats with the Suprim Liquid X. I still wait for the 4090 Strix OC. This damn card is always empty in the stores. And the stores is filled up with all other 4090's I don't want🤯

Thank you. I still feel stupid for buying it last week, and almost cancelled the order several times since then. It has not shipped yet and I almost cancelled the order this evening.

There are no Strix 4090 for sale anywhere from what I can see, and I don't want to pay an extra $400-$500 for one. I have only seen one available once and it was around $2499. I have a hunch that ASUS has temporarily stopped making them because sales are too slow and not many people are willing to pay stupid 4090 prices. I think all of the AIB partners are being conservative on production so they do not end up having excess stock they can't move like what happened with so many 30-series cards that are still available.

48 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Hey thanks for sharing, anything I should know in regards to the flashing or is it "plug and play" since its just going from one 3090 to another? I was only able to pull about 450w from the 3090 on the EVGA OC vBIOS. Read on their forums that it should be 500w after a certain point. Power limit seems to be 119 on mine which I think means it already has that vBIOS (not the provided, but the EVGA iteration). 

 

Honestly shouldve done this a while back, I've been in a state of high functioning depression. Benching this week is giving me something to do and I owe much to Prema for all his work over the years.

Nothing special to know. Other than it changing the hardware ID and name to "Galaxy" in GPU-Z it functions exactly the same. The only vBIOSes that don't play nice with other GPUs that I am aware of are the ASUS morphodite firmwares because ASUS HDMI/DP port mapping is proprietary and ends up leaving you with one or two display outputs that do not function. If you flash back the original firmware everything (including HWID and GPU name) will go back to original.

PSA: I ordered a MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X and I am debating whether to put the 3090 Kingpin in my work computer and sell the 3060 Ti FTW3 or vice versa. I got lucky and snagged a "sold and shipped by Amazon" GPU for $1799. No third-party seller drama and no scalper fees.

Probably going to sell the 3090 Kingpin so I can cover a larger portion of the cost of the upgrade. If anyone is interested, please let me know and I will put it up here in the marketplace or we can do it via PM.

I always like to give first crack at my parts to people I know before I sell on eBay or Mercari. Having the mutual trust is a plus, and so is not rewarding eBay and Mercari for highway robbery on ludicrous seller fees and greedy Nazi "authorities" that believe it is OK to double-tax buyers for sales tax on used parts where sales tax was already paid by the seller on the new parts. It is still under warranty with EVGA.

I just did a fresh application of thermal putty on the VRMs, new Snowman thermal pads and KPX a week ago.  It has the XOC 1000W vBIOS provided to me via email by Vince (Kingpin) on the LN2 BIOS position, original box, etc. Excellent condition. I have the original hybrid cooler parts that will be included in case someone wants to use it on a system without a custom loop, but I currently have the Hydro Copper block on it and an MP5WORKS waterblock on the back plate.

Before I sell the 3090 I want to make sure the 4090 is not a dud that I need to return to Amazon for refund or exchange. If it is poor to average silicon quality, I will let them have it back to pawn off on someone else. So, I am not in a huge hurry to sell the 3090 and won't even be ready to for probably two or three weeks if someone is interested but doesn't have cash tomorrow. I won't even have the 4090 until the end of next week, so no rush.

I think Brother @Raidermanneeds this GPU so he can experience the goodness of ray tracing. 😜

8 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

The P870TM finally arrived, and I spent all day so far moving everything over, but wow. This thing is just insane, GPU temps don't get over 70C with the vapor chamber, CPU runs nice and cool, 3 M.2 slots is nice, and the Prema BIOS is just phenomenal. Though, I do have a few questions.

The backlights are stuck to being this gawdy looking yellow color, but the keyboard refuses to change the LED color or even dim them, they're just stuck yellow. I thought the keyboard was broken so I swapped my known working P775 keyboard in it and it is still that same yellow color. Is it possible for me to change the color in the BIOS or via software?

I also want to know if I can dim the back lid LED's as those are stuck on a white color.

With a bit of trial and error, I managed to get my 870 EVO into the SATA slot, but it was really difficult as the SATA out on the SSD didn't want to line up with the connectors on the motherboard. I have a slightly thicker 2tb HDD that I tried to wiggle in there, but I can't seem to get it in. Is there an intended way to get the SATA drives in? It seems very difficult to get them to slot in just right. 

In the BIOS, there is a fan control option, but its to enable or disable fan control. I've looked in the BIOS but can't find any options for fan control. Are you able to control the fans in the BIOS? If not its no big deal, but I'd like to set some custom tables so I don't have to run ClevoFanControl every time I boot into Windows.

Last thing, but I've noticed these interlaced looking lines on the 1440p display the laptop comes with, they aren't noticeable from a far, but they make the screen look super washed out. I feel like I read somewhere in the past that these 1440p screens were known to have this "issue" but I'm mostly just curious if I can fix it at all.

I remember some of those things, but don't remember clearly what I did with some of them. Here is what I remember from the P870DM3 (never had a TM).

• keyboard lighting requires Clevo Control Center (CCC) cancer software
• SATA drives are a bit tricky to line up with ports and need to use something to reach under the drive and lift up
• If I remember correctly (big if) the BIOS fan option is to enable CCC to control the fans in Windows
• There were two 1440p screen options, one better than the other (sorry, don't recall details - I had the better one)

Congratulations on purchasing the last good high performance laptop that was manufactured. The P870DM3 was the last laptop that I remember truly being fond of and didn't regret purchasing. I hope Clevo continues to offer service parts for it in case you ever need to replace something.

Looks like this might have some useful fixes.
Download AIDA64 Extreme (beta)

Version: 6.85.6329 beta (Jan 31, 2023)

Release notes:

• AVX-512 FMA units count information for AMD Zen 4
• AVX-512 FMA units count information for Intel Cannon Lake, Ice Lake, Tiger Lake, Rocket Lake, Alder Lake, Raptor Lake
• improved DDR5 SPD bank switching
• identification of DDR5-9600, DDR5-9800, DDR5-10000, DDR5-10200, DDR5-10400, DDR5-10600, DDR5-10800 memory modules, DDR5-11000, DDR5-11200, DDR5-11400, DDR5-11600, DDR5-11800, DDR5-12000 memory modules
• PCI VPD detection / improved exception handling
• motherboard specific sensor info for Asus ROG Strix Z590-A Gaming WiFi II
• motherboard specific sensor info for Gigabyte A620 Series
• motherboard specific sensor info for HP 2B5E
• fixed: supported memory types list for AMD K19.1, K19.4, K19.6, K19.7
• fixed: DIMM thermal sensor support for DDR5 memory modules
• fixed: MSI MEG Ai1000P, Ai1300P PSU sensor support
• fixed: sensor support for Aqua Computer LeakShield with FW 1019
• fixed: motherboard specific sensor info for MSI MS-7D40

4 hours ago, Reciever said:

Taking advantage of Snow Week here in DFW. Time to get us some points for TeamPrema

 

With all that being said, I dont have fancy cooling, all air, so my window is open to keep the temps low. 

Any vBIOS I can flash for my EVGA RTX 3090? Non KingPin 

Nice to see you benching, Brother @Reciever. 

Since you said "not Kingpin" here is the Galax HOF 1000W 3090 vBIOS. (It also works fine on my 3090 Kingpin.) Rename a copy of the ROM to something short and sweet to make flashing easier. Also remember to backup your original vBIOS first.

GALAX.RTX3090.24576.210125 (94.02.38.00.30).zip

21 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Two different flaws. Samsung have been tight lipped about the ongoing 980 Pro problems. Not good for the sales bro Electro. More competition in the ssd sales. So, bad publicity will hamper the sales. Even at Pudgetsystems. Better be quiet as long as possible. 

Better off sticking with low cost options like Silicon Power, TeamGroup, Sabrent SSDs. The more popular Samsung gets the less quality and higher prices we see, with no meaningful benefits that I can identify.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

From Lumi. EVGA struggle hard get enough good engineering samples of processors. They are too small. They can't compete with Asus, Msi, Gigabyte etc. Hence they have to look other places as Ebay, amazon or other places to find processors that stands out. Raptor lake is maxed out as it is. Very difficult to get good samples. And the record chips ain't from retail. Rather hand picked from Intel for the chosen one. And most of the best chips is in fact the early 13900K engineering samples before Intel's launch of Raptor lake. If you have a good 13900K sample then let it be as is. 

 

 

And same for GPU's. The best chips/cards won't go out to the customers. They will always go to the elite.

 

From what I have read... All the top cards will never reach ordinary customers/retail. Etc the older 980Ti K|ngp|n cards above 90% ASIC score stayed in house. And later spread out to the chosen one. Isn't that nice? They value you as their very important customers. And we can go on. Same for motherboard, Memory and custom firmware/software. 

I guess I never thought of it that way in terms of EVGA. Not only are they small, they are willing to break the rules and do things that Intel, NVIDIA and probably AMD do not approve of. They often make their competitors look bad and seem feckless, which probably does not win them any points among peers. My kind of company... not content with status quo and don't care about getting permission or blessings, or playing nice. I've heard rumors that their unwillingness to lock the IME and let customers downgrade or disable it in the BIOS is a no-no that Intel does not approve of. The other OEMs follow the rules on IME. I'm glad EVGA does not. One of the first things I do on my Dark mobos is disable IME. It's adds no value and is utterly worthless on consumer motherboards.

3 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I think the ? is because your gpu driver is is not verified, or some bs like that. I couldn't upload one yesterday, because of the same error you were getting. I think UL adds the ?, so the bot thinks its an invalid URL.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 If the driver wasn't verified he wouldn't get the green Valid stamp🙂 Then you have the messed up software from UL/Futuremark, so....

Yes, that is correct. Brother @Papusan is right.

Even if the driver was not "approved" by UL (only meaning they actually tested the version) it would still be acceptable by HWBOT rules. There are no restrictions on drivers that are allowed with HWBOT. You can use any driver you wish as long as the results do not produce unrealistic benchmark scores that suggest that cheats were used. They can spot scores that are out of scope with an expected range of results because it tends to stick out like a sore thumb. That said, it is not a common scenario that any official driver version affects performance to a degree that the change in scores are freakishly out of line with the applied cooling and clock speeds. If anything, the scores will usually go down with a buggy driver, not up.

General Rules | HWBOT

The more common scenario is bugs and glitches in the benchmark software that produce abnormally high results, not the driver. If they spot glitched benchmark submissions where the score is freakishly high for the clock speeds shown in the required screenshots and validation links, they will disqualify and delete those submissions.

In fact, there is some controversy of this nature relating to disabling memory ECC on 4090 GPUs. @Papusanand @johnksssand others have recently had their 4090 benchmark submissions arbitrarily deleted. In my opinion, this is being driven by golden boys having an issue with scores that are similar, higher or uncomfortably close to their 4090 submissions. They do not like it when peasants steal their thunder. For the first time, probably ever, I think the golden boys find themselves without any "secret weapons" and subject to the instability of the silicon lottery where GPUs are concerned and reacting to competition they are not used to having. With EVGA out of the GPU arms race, the level of mediocrity and loss of focus at the OEM level has never been greater. EVGA is not there to challenge NVIDIA's control freak nonsense and push the envelope anymore.

I also believe that is why CENS was so eager to get his hands on the abnormally good CPU that @tps3443had. I am sure he was worried it would end up in the hands of a competitive peasant and that would be a threat. I really doubt he "needed" it for himself. He can get high quality silicon like that through special channels exclusively available to the golden boys that are chosen and predestined to stay on top of the leaderboards. They also get access to carefully selected and modified components and firmware that is not available to us pions.

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Isn't 18+4 GPU/VRAM design one of the cheapo power delivery design out there for all better tier 4090 SKUs bro Fox? Can it be made even cheaper?  But if the brand name is Galax... Everything is allowed. Even use cheapest solutions to power the card. Nice. Just nice

To be clear, 18+4 is just ordinary gamerboy grade, not top shelf .

19 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Bingo, I think I saved it as PNG, I'll re-save as JPG and reupload

 

Nope, same thing.

 

Just now, Papusan said:

Try remove that... ?

 

As etc this

 

Or your https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88251389

Brother @Papusanhas a sharp eye. The question mark at the end is the issue.

21 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Bingo, I think I saved it as PNG, I'll re-save as JPG and reupload

 

Nope, same thing.

 

It can be either one (PNG or JPG) as long as the file size is not too large. I think it is 2MB or something like that. You will know because it won't allow you to upload a screenshot if the file is too large.

14 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I cant seem to get any submissions in, keeps saying I need a verification link? I assume its this? 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88251389?

 

 

I think I did everything correctly, turns out Im probably a bit of an idiot, who knew? 

Yes, that is correct. You only need to copy and paste that URL into the space for a validation link and include that with the JPG of the screenshot.

49 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Wonderful being in the Red camp. Someone that remembers all the talk and bragging about offering more up to date drivers than nvidia? 

 

 The last graphics driver that was actually released for the RDNA 2-based Radeon RX 6000 series graphics cards was the 22.11.12 which was made for a November release. Then, AMD's Radeon RX 7900 graphics cards launched in December, and guess what? All four graphics drivers, 2 in December and two in January (2023) have been exclusive to the RDNA 3 architecture. These are the driver releases over the past two months:

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-has-not-released-a-new-radeon-driver-for-rdna-2-radeon-rx-6000-gpus-in-2-months/

 

 

 

Drivers have always been an area of opportunity for them. There have been periods of progress, but very inconsistent.

1 hour ago, ryan said:

and @Mr. Fox brother I'll try that right now see if I cant get within chips reach of 9200 gpu, next step is to test more drivers. and I actually just got eso and it helped by about 100 points. so I was thrilled with that, I think im going to keep windows defender unless it nets a big difference. im thinking drivers now

Be sure that whatever driver you choose to use NVCleanStall to remove all of the worthless trash (GeFarts Experience, etc.) and do the MSI tweaks and driver signing. You only want the driver, PhysX and NVIDIA Control Panel. Everything else is a worthless performance-killer. Do not install the driver in the format that you download from NVIDIA. It will contain bloat and telemetry that hurt performance and offer nothing but stupid gimmicks as payment for allowing the data collection.