Mr. Fox

35 minutes ago, ryan said:

mr fox im getting 48000 but wheres the download link to memtweakit

It probably will not launch on newer versions of W10/11. I know it won't on my systems. It only works on LTSC 2019 (1809) and older because the newer OSes are too screwed up. Here is a link to download it from my Google Drive. Feel free to download it and try it though.

33 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

I'm seriously considering picking up a 12900k since both my 12700k CPUs have a SP value of 68 and 69.  It's not doing my loop any justice.  Then again since I've really lost the time/knowledge compared to my "golden years" I'm not going to do either justice, lol.

I would if I were in your shoes. It is often hard to find good bin quality in CPUs below the flagship model.

7 minutes ago, ryan said:

 

hard topping this mr fox what do you get with your 3090...would be nice to see laptop common vs

desktop elite.

 

and custom90gt jesus man get it together, buy threadripper 3990X and a 3090 and get it together 😛

it might be sold out but look into it https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3990x/p/N82E16819113620

Your benchmark is not accurate because both GPUs are selected. Uncheck the Intel graphics and run it again. Notice it says 2 GPUs.

5 hours ago, KING19 said:

I didnt know where to post this but this article on notebookcheck is interesting and it mentions some truths about bad trends with mainstream laptops that we been discussing on NBR for years.

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/4-controversial-laptop-trends-that-should-never-have-made-it-mainstream.599710.0.html

 

Here's some trends that should of been in the article IMO

 

Soldiered on RAM, and WIFI especially on thin and light laptops

Laptop webcams still on 720p in 2022...

No separate touchpad buttons. Personally i always hated clickpads and after using them for years my opinion on them hasnt changed.

Yup. CPU, GPU, RAM, WIFI, storage... soldered is bantha fodder. Touchpads with discrete buttons also suck, but not nearly as much as buttonless clickpads do.

25 minutes ago, solidus1983 said:

@Mr. Fox is going to be proud of me for saying this.

 

A laptop trend that shouldn't of made it mainstream was BGA, anything soldered be it CPU/GPU/RAM/WiFi they shouldn't exsist as they are the hands of obsolescence and obsolescence is the hand of the devil. Be gone BGA begone. 

Amen. Common sense is becoming very difficult to identify. Laptop engineers seem to be collectively devoid of it. 

37 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I dont know if its something I make optional, but I think some may appreciate having that choice for themselves. I cant guarantee anything as Hiew is the veteran but as we all know, what we learn as a hobby and what we need to learn can differ. For now it will be left as is since its working well but I did want to ping you guys since you post many links, pictures and embeds.

I will ping @Mr. Fox again in the near future for some things that may interest you, as with all things it comes down to a function of time, happy posting until then fella's !

You and @Hieware doing a nice job of keeping the new house in order. The competing forum (for lack of a better term) doesn't seem to be well-kept. They are leaving spambot feces all over the place, including porno garbage. Posts have been reported and some ignored for days now.

Examples:

https://www.laptopforum.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=39

For all of the Z690 early adopters, this thread is an interesting read. Brother @Rage Setis your Strix a Z690-A board or something else? 

Asus Strix Z690-A Issues

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

I am fine with it but what I am trying to figure out is why my 12900K is short about 1100 points in CB20 against my 5950X. I got a lot to explore. The P-Cores are at 5.0 and the E-Cores are at 4.0. The 5950X was 4.650. Very interesting first runs. 

That is odd. Try running Cinebench with ThrottleStop running with the "Limits" window open and see if anything like "VMax Stress" shows up as a performnce limiter. That was something that did not exist with the Z490 Dark and it made my 10900K run like crap on the Z590 Dark. It did not show evidence of throttling looking at the core clocks, but did lower benchmark scores. With that VMax crap disabled using ThrottleStop my Cinebench scores jumped way  up. See that, I had @Prema  unlock all of the BIOS menus for me and disabling VMax Stress stopped the problem. The stock Z590 Dark had it hidden and enabled. After that I reached out to EVGA to get them to expose the PPD and VMax Stress options. I could not test it since I sold the Z590 Dark as new/sealed box, but Brother @tps3443tested it and found it working much better.

Your ASUS BIOS might have the option exposed to disable VMax Stress. It was super-stupid that EVGA had it hidden. The 10850K ran even worse on the Z590 Dark. It would VMax Stress throttle to like 4.7GHz if I set the core ratio above 53x.  The 10900K clocks did not drop, but performance somehow did. Not sure if it pulled back the power limits or what. It was also weird that 10850K and 10900K behaved differently from one another, but both had sucky performance because of the VMax Stress baloney being enabled. Without the BIOS menus exposed to disable it, the only way I could get proper performance at higher clock speeds was to launch ThrottleStop with VMax Stress disabled.

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Yes I observed this behavior as well particularly when you scroll quickly. It does retain the pictures after the first instance, but of course refreshing the page makes it "the first instance" all over again.

Yes I did get a little feedback elsewhere on that particular topic. I'll look into how we can host larger pictures longer term.

I will do some research to see if this behavior can be altered on a user level or if there are means to mitigate the page jerk, it allows for smoother initial load times but especially in this thread, it can lead to less than desirable experience.

I had  not really noticed it before, but since you guys mentioned it I refreshed the page and see now what you are referring to. If I had a slower internet connection it might be kind of annoying, but the images load very quickly as I scroll down the page. I am assuming the "pop" that @Rage Set mentioned is how they instantly/sudden appear on the page as you scroll down. Not sure if that is what that means or not.

One additional thing I did notice was if I was like half way down the page when I refreshed it would load the page at the same place I was at prior to the page being refreshed, but then it would scroll itself up to the top of the page almost as if I were scrolling the page myself. Very odd, and I had not noticed that before.

39 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

My 12900K is still rated SP82 on the Z690 Extreme! Yay! At least Asus is consistent. 

Sorry, bro. That is not good.

39 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Good Lord, Newegg too? 

I only buy off the second hand market so I dont tend to see much of the retail practices these days. Used to buy from Newegg exclusively but stepped away around the time I used laptops full time.

 

EDIT: 

Just wanted to ask as I know the Desktop / Benchmarks thread was picture heavy but have things been working well here? I believe the methodology we used was to load as you scroll so that it becomes more performance agnostic for individual members.

Seems to be working well. Using an image host and using links works best to preserve image quality on larger images, but the forum seems to be working great for me.

23 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

I sent my G.Skill DDR5 back and received my Oloy 6200-32-38-38-76 @ 1.35v.  So far it's up and running on XMP and 5 hours AIDA64 stable.  Hopefully these won't suck like the G.Skills...

 

*on edit* I initially paid $559 for these, but today they are $519 on NewEgg, they price matched it and gave me a refund.  I was a little worried given their shady practices recently... 

 

Still can't believe in 2022 I'm paying $500 for memory, but all in the name of fun.

Maybe after Steve Burke's GamersNexus videos they figured it was time to get their act together again, pronto. I hope so anyway. Now, if they will knock it off with the $200 membership racketeering thing to be eligible to purchase GPUs we will be making some headway.

Good that they price-matched.  Congrats on that.

Sold and shipped the Z590 Dark today.

Started this thread: EVGA Z590 Dark BIOS Mod with PPD and VMax Stress Menu Options

On 2/11/2022 at 9:49 PM, K4sum1 said:

I use Windows 7 still (sometimes I use 8). I've found that 10 can get quite buggy, slow, and unstable compared to the older releases of Windows. The latest LTSC seems pretty decent, however Windows 10 and UWP apps are quite ugly compared to 7 and even 8.

Me, too. I do not plan to stop using Windows 7 for as long as I can acquire drivers that work with my hardware. It is unfortunate that newer versions haven't actually brought measurable improvements and introduced functionality regressions, reduced configurability, less efficient navigation, and performance degradation due to unwarranted amounts of frivolous bundled trash. I no longer use any consumer versions of Windows 10 and ruled out Windows 11 as an acceptable option. I still have W11 installed on my turdbook, but no longer boot into it. I will reclaim the drive space wasted on it the next time I have a reason to power it on. Every system I have is a multi-boot configuration that includes Windows 7 and Linux. For Windows 10 I am using exclusively LTSC 2019 and 2021 (the latter sucks compared to the former) due to the enormous payload of garbage the standard Pro/Enterprise versions carry. (Using a Home version has been totally out of the question since that option was introduced long before W10.)

The move to DCH driver crap and the artificial reliance on Micro$lop Store to provide things like NVIDIA and Intel Control Panels is totally unacceptable. They are either stupid or don't care (behavior suggests the latter, but the former is also indicated by the inferiority of the product itself) that their actions are unacceptable to a lot of technically savvy people that would have preferred to remain dedicated Windows users, but will ultimately find themselves seriously entertaining the idea of moving to Linux as an unavoidable necessity as the lesser of two evils. I am already moving that direction, but definitely not because I want to.

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Thanks. I used a custom made fan controller in the older days with my modded Lian Li chassis connected with an Phase change. But in the older days you had lots of drive bays in the front. Not so much nowadays. I will check out if I can buy something like the Lamptron PCI Bracket 4-Way High Power Fan Controller here home. Everything today is more and more based on software bloatware. 

 

Intel have saved up some chips to charge premium. Exactly in the same as Nvidia did for 3090 Ti. Maybe not as nasty, but still disgusting. Nvidia want heafty premium for 2.5%. Intel a bit better with 4% performance increase. 

 

Intel's Core i9-12900KS CPU Surfaces for Close to $800 tomshardware.com Feb 15, 2021

 

A hefty premium for a minimum clock speed uplift. 

I would love to see a tower case with external 5.25 inch drive bays underneath the bottom floor with the bays facing the same direction as the left side panel. That way it would not waste internal capacity for radiators, fans, pumps and reservoirs. It would need to be slightly elevated, but not a big deal in my mind.

For example, positioned like this, but with slightly more elevation... enough space for a full-height 5.25 inch drive bay, or fan controller, etc. The case could have an optional removable bezel on the left side to give a finished look and a removable skirt or sight shield on the opposite side of the chassis to hide the extra cables.

Notebookrevival has kind of a sappy-sounding sense to it, as if to resuscitate an interest that had died or become dormant. And, notebooktalk sounds like the name of a talk radio program.

At the end of the day it makes little difference to me what it is called. I would have doubts about a person that made any kind of decision about being a participant in the community on the basis of the URL or domain name. I would say that poor soul needs professional help unrelated to technology that none of us can provide.

16 hours ago, Papusan said:

Whats the best options for fan control? 

A manual fan controller with knobs. You don't have to worry about damaging the cheap fan headers on the motherboard or buggy software garbage. You can run more fans than you would ever need with power to spare.  I run 18 fans and three D5 pumps on mine. 

This is what I use:

Lamptron CF525 Fan Controller

PRODUCT INFORMATION:

The Lamptron CF525 is the spiritual succesor to the classic and powerfull FC2. The CF525 provides a whooping 60w per channel through its 5 channels providing a total of 300w for the power hungry. To put it in perspective, this controller is able to control 10x of the infamous Delta AFB1212GHE-CF00 fans at full speed at the same time (2 per channel). These fans require 29.5W/4.5A each, that’s 24.5A/295W of draw in total! With the CF525 we can safely say you will only ever need one controller in your system regardless of how many cooling solutions you choose to use in terms of power needs. For your consideration, The Lamptron CF525. No Frills, Just Power.

Features:
- Most powerfull controller in the market
- 60w per channel
- Very high quality materials
- 5 completely independant 60w/5A channels
- Other Great Features!
- CNC milled aluminium face-plate
- Sleeved cables
- Black PCB
- No frills, just power

This would work well in a case with no 5.25-inch drive bays. Probably powerful enough for most uses.

Lamptron PCI Bracket 4-Way High Power Fan Controller

Product Highlights
- Black frosted aluminum panel
- Knob control
- 4 channel - 36w each
- 4-pin terminals compatible with 4pin and 3pin fans
- 2-12VDC, fans can be turned off

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

i should have run 3DM11 on Win 7 but no time for that now 🙂

That will make it easier for your to beat your own scores later. If you do it now there will be nothing to look forward to later.

5 hours ago, ryan said:

For example in fire strike I often get cpu scores around 22000-23000 but with an overclock I had it manage 25000. not sure whats going on but my cpu is heating up faster. not sure why and im not really interested in LM

If the GPU is getting hotter so will the CPU on a system with a unified heat sink. That is what happens when the CPU and GPU are constantly puking on one another. Flawed engineering is very popular. Virtually all craptops and notepoots are made this way now. Monkey see, monkey do. The only ones not made that way are no longer made. Stupid is as stupid does.

8 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I usually run most of my priority benchmarks first thing in the morning as my computer room is pretty cold. If it is a dry, cold day I'll open the window and shut the door and let the room get frosty, set fans to max and let the rad and internals get nice and crisp on the desktop before running.

 

For some of my P870TM runs I put my laptop on the backseat floor of my car and left it outside for an hour before running.

 

Good stuff!

Excellent. I do exactly the same thing, even with the chilled water. It rarely actually gets "cold" here (almost never below freezing) but having my office around 40-50°F then turning on the chiller for 20 minutes before powering the computer on works much better than trying to chill the water after the office is already full of warm air. It takes a lot longer for the water to get cold and it is more difficult to keep the water ice cold if I am pushing warm air through the condenser.

I would just delete the AMD and Intel MC files from Windows on any version of Windows unless it is a very old version. Totally unnecessary to have them. Just rely on whatever the BIOS has.

Locate mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll and take ownership, then delete. Or, a person can rename it with .old or .not after the .dll if they are weirded out about the idea of deleting system files.

Use Easy Services Optimizer to create an "Extreme" profile with everything disabled, or run MSCONFIG, hide Micro$lop Services and disable everything else (have to reboot). Use Defender Control (or just run a script to remove Defender completely). That will help in addition to setting priority to High or Realtime.

16 minutes ago, ryan said:

ok now you guys are not going to believe this and thats fine but its a fact I broke 12k I don't know how but I did. I raised the laptop and undervolted big time disbaled everything and i beat 12k by 225 points. no razerjokebook can do this

 

Nice. If you change the priority from Normal to High or Realtime and kill all of the worthless background services and processes that are running and do not need to be, you can probably go even higher.

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Somewhat wrong bruh. You don't need thicker Jokemodels to score well above 12K in CBR23. The awful products as the thin Razerbook 15 even come above 12K. 

Because the truth is sometimes painful, people do not like being told that their baby is ugly.

I am not hiding, but for a couple of reasons I do not publicly disclose my first and last name together. The obvious is privacy reasons and identity protection. The second reason is that I like to keep business and pleasure completely separate and my personal comments and opinions are neither the business of my employer, nor a reflection of the values of my employer. Given the nature of the idiotic cancel culture we have lived in for close to a decade it is best that nobody that has any direct influence over my life can connect the two. There are some pretty demented people in positions of power at large corporations and in social media, and I don't want some vindictive militant retard that doesn't like my opinions messing with my career. Better for me if they can't clearly connect the dots.

That actually almost happened to me about 10 years ago. I was asked for my opinion. I shared it when asked, then HR placed me on a "final written warning" for answering the question. They didn't like my answer. Since I am in a relatively high position of power, they cared more than they had a right to care that my opinion didn't mesh with their woke definition of political correctness. Basically placed on a "gag order" by HR that I could not ever express my opinion at work again, even if solicitied, without cause for termination.

21 minutes ago, ryan said:

also mr.fox not sure what your actual name is but 11863 is a really good score in a thin and light. alot of laptops with 11800h are thick heavy and beasts and thats why they are scoring 12k

I am Mr. Fox. My first name is missing, but my last name is Fox. My first name is also a last name. There are a few famous people who have my first name as a last name and it is the German word for "burner" (like the burner on a stove or a Bunsen burner used in a lab). I don't post my first name in public, but I would tell you in private.

In that respect, I am the literal FireFox (by name) even though I don't like that browser very much at all.

3 hours ago, runix18 said:

I try my best😆

I can't believe the brand new sealed box Z590 Dark has been sitting on eBay and Mercari for $170 below retail since Jan 24 with zero interest. Not even any low ball offers. Maybe the gamer kids will go wild if just keep it and instead offer the craptastick Strix Z490 mobo with a CPU and RAM, since they tend to value branding more than quality or performance.