Mr. Fox

Looks like RockitCool has the 12th Gen delid kit now and temps are good. Sorry the author of the video has such an annoying personality and communication style.

On 2/7/2022 at 11:18 AM, Hertzian56 said:

I hope we get some of those debloated custom iso's like we got on the nbr win10 ltsc thread, can't remember the guy who did that but it was awesome resource to have.

@sk was his forum handle

Yes, I agree. I really do not like wireless networking and never use it if I can avoid it. But, wiring a house after it is built also isn't something fun to do. I can understand why you are using WiFi for that reason.

OnePlus 8T. Root access.

Man, that is a ton of drive/storage space.

36 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

I've heard it's a bear to uninstall too, like may as well just reinstall windows because that's 10x easier.

Yep. In fact, there is even a special uninstall tool that is needed to remove it that often requires you to run it, reboot and run it again. Unfortunately, they also intertwined Aura software into it and you can no longer install Aura RGB as a standalone utility that you run only on-demand. It is one of the most unforgivable sins that ASUSTeK has committed in the past few years that shows how idiotic and out of touch they have become. It is worse than the control center garbage that is common on laptops. It is like a virus. They no longer support the standalone Aura utility and I have found that the most recent (now unsupported) version of Aura will not even function on newer versions of Windows 10. It will still work flawlessly on Windows 7 and LTSC 2019, but will not launch on 20H2 or newer. (I have not tried it on any W10 versions between 1809 and 20H2.)

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/14Utilities/Armoury_Crate_Uninstall_Tool.zip

Here is a good comparison to illustrate. The previously shared screenshot is my work OS and the one below is my personal use OS on the same computer. "Newer is better" LOL. NOT!

¡Armory Crate es un montón de mierda!

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have the Armory Crate digital dumpster installed on my work OS on Banshee. It has no less than 22 processes running in the background and it squanders gobs of memory and CPU cycles to support a butt-load of silly crap.

Screensnip on the left is with all of the Armory Crate services stopped.
The one on the right is with all of the bloat running in the background.

8 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

THIS is why we should avoid those trash RGB junk AIOs and fittings. They add pure bloat nonsense.

This is what happens when manufacturers confuse gamer kids with performance PC enthusiasts. They are as different as night and day. While it is possible to be both an avid gamer and a performance PC enthusiast, I think it is generally more common that the latter is both rather than the former. Gamers tend to focus on form more than function, and that shows in the mediocre specs found in the majority of the prebuilt "gaming desktops" and "gaming laptops" that many of us would view as pathetic novelty products that we would never waste money on.

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

ME: Yeah that software is pretty gross and bloated and most likely intrusive. Can't be any worse out there

*Asus Armory Crate has entered the chat*

iCUE seems like a lightweight portable app compared to the extreme over-the-top and utterly absurd level of bloatware garbage called Armory Crate. Filth on that order of magnitude should be illegal. The fact that it is UWP feces distributed through the Micro$lop Store makes it even more diabolical.

I have the Armory Crate digital dumpster installed on my work OS on Banshee. It has no less than 22 processes running in the background and it squanders gobs of memory and CPU cycles to support a butt-load of silly crap.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Look at this beauty. You can fry egg and bacon on these 480's😀 I don't need any kitchen oven, HaHa

Dang, that is pretty skanky looking. Hard to imagine that level of neglect occurring, but it is not the first time I have seen it. Although, it is not usually something I would expect to see where it involves components one would find in a gamer's or overclocking enthusiast's system. I have only seen it really bad like that on systems owned by people that don't know anything technical about computers. Once upon a time, that was an enthusiast-level GPU.

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

That was a crazy run of bad luck for sure. on many levels. Hopefully Mrs. Fox is doing much better too.

Thank you for asking. Mrs. Fox is on the mend, going to physical therapy three days per week as the fractures in her shoulder continue to heal.

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Crazy how many are running 12th gen here now. We're just waiting on @Mr. Fox 😀

I've been unpredictable at times, and I seldom say never because I don't like the flavor of crow meat. The awesome-looking Cinebench scores are certainly tempting. But, I can't see myself spending ~$2000 for an upgrade anytime soon though. I've already blown enough money on PC garbage in the past 6 months to last me a couple of years and right now the thought of spending more and ending up regretful all over again for having done it makes me feel nauseous. The smartest purchase I made was buying the golden 10900K from Brother @Talon and we know how that ended. They say lightning never strikes twice in the same spot, but I think I should wait for the dark clouds to burn off before I go back outside again.

1 minute ago, Rage Set said:

 

While it is far from high-end, the Strix Z690-H D4 is decent. I got 4000MT's with my 4800 rated DDR4 sticks at CL16 CR1 without any trouble on this board. Those sticks can be pushed much harder but I haven't tried tighter timings yet.

👍

Yes, I have to admit that my Strix Z490-H is actually pretty decent as well. As long as I don't push the CPU crazy high on the clocks/voltage and overload the VRMs it does a wonderful job. I run it at 5.3GHz on all cores with the RAM at 4400 CL16 all day for work and it never misses a beat.

15 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

Yeah sadly there isn't much to gain from DDR4 to DDR5.  I only went there because my previous gigabyte board sucked at overclocking my known good b-die memory and there weren't any good DDR4 options.  Well that and I like the idea of trying new stuff.  Sadly AIDA64 benchmarks don't really correspond to real world differences.

 

 

I used up my quota of rep for the day already, so 👍.

It wouldn't be so bad if the price was roughly the same and you didn't have to pay a lot more for essentially the same performance. But having to pay a whole lot more when you don't actually benefit from it kind of sucks.

I guess in a way it kind of makes sense because if they made high-end enthusiast motherboards that used DDR4 they would probably have a really hard time getting DDR5 adoption off the launch pad. Nobody would be willing to pay extra for it to only get the new CPU and motherboard if they were not forced into it. But it still feels kind of shady since you're spending a lot not getting much.

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If they did a video on what doesn't suck about Windows 11 it would be shorter than a YouTube commercial, LOL. For Windows 10 it would be maybe 10 seconds longer. They both suck, but Window 11 sucks more. 

Aesthetic atrocities aside, the people that like it are only looking on the surface. The payload of utter trash and worthless bloat these digital abortions carry is nothing short of phenomenal. Roughly half of the 120+ services running in the background by default are unnecessary. May of them are present to support the Redmond Retards' stupid sheeple gimmicks, data collection, spying and control freak fetishes.

Debloating newer versions of Winduhz 10/11 helps to minimize the feces, but still isn't enough because the trash is too deeply embedded.

Both of these are debloated and optimized, but look at the payload of filth that remains on the newer trash OS.

  Reveal hidden contents

LTSC 2019 - well over 100 running services if not debloated.

  Reveal hidden contents

LTSC 21H2 - over 200 services without debloating and still more than 100 after taking out the trash.

 

I turns out they did do such a video. I agree that the "Settings" app is better. But, that is the only improvement IMHO. Certainly not enough in light of all of the drawbacks to make downgrading to Windows 11 something I would consider worth doing. The disadvantages eclipse the one or two benefits.

1 minute ago, Katja said:

Seeing the LTSC 2019 vs 2021 things makes me wish the games I play didn't require newer Win10 builds. I have an Arch Linux install on a separate partition on my system, but there's just some things that won't run due to anticheat compatibility (*cough cough nProtect GameGuard) so I gotta deal with it for the time being.

Oh, how far Windows has fallen. I mean, hell, I actually liked 8.1 with Classic/Open Shell on it, and it was definitely faster overall. Just so much crapware and disappointment to me ruins it.

Yeah, I hear you, bro. I made the decision that any games that I want to play that require a version of Windows I am not interested in are games that I will skip over. I am not willing to compromise what I want in an OS for the sake of playing a game. But, that's me. I do not expect everyone to feel the same way about it.

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Has anyone see what benchmark scores look like for Z690 / 12900K with a mobo that accepts DDR4 memory? I am curious to what degree DDR5 is actually moving the needle on performance at this early point in its development. It is hard to get used to looking at such high memory timings and think of them as being good or normal.

Interesting... It's too bad they don't sell any enthusiast-grade Z690 boards that use DDR4. That would make upgrading more attractive at this point. It kind of begs the question at this point "what are they really selling" and whether or not DDR5 is the computer equivalent of snake oil. It looks like the memory clocks need to be a whole lot higher than they currently are before it will represent anything meaningful in terms of performance progress.

Has anyone see what benchmark scores look like for Z690 / 12900K with a mobo that accepts DDR4 memory? I am curious to what degree DDR5 is actually moving the needle on performance at this early point in its development. It is hard to get used to looking at such high memory timings and think of them as being good or normal.

30 minutes ago, johnksss said:

That is getting very close to X299 quad channel memory performance. Nice!

What sticks are those?

9 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Going to have to work on that picture posting. I forgot I changed the size for my EVGA warranty request.

 

No, no damage. Just showing the aftermath before the clean up.

And yes, 50/50 antifreeze. Same as in my car.

They say these boards are suppose to detect water and shut off and not power back on.  suspect that is what happen this time as I tried to power it back on before removing all heat sinks and I got nothing, but the led lights. So after detailing the board I thought I would test it one more time and it powered on. I was quite surprised so shut down really quick as I did not have a heat sink on. And now it seem to be up and running.

Humm, I cant seem to get the pictures to zoom.

 

Trying again.

Yes, that is great news. I have been running the 50/50 automotive antifreeze for a while and it seems to be good for me, too.

I have noticed on this and several other forums that uploading an image to the forum servers causes it to be downsized and will not zoom to the original image size. So, when being able to view details is important I upload them to imgur and use the tags img and /img enclosed in brackets with a direct link to the full sized image so that it will zoom to the original size. 

1 minute ago, johnksss said:

This was under 50/50 radiator fluid

I can't really tell from the image because it doesn't blow up to full zoom. Is there any damage you are showing?

Are you using 50/50 automotive antifreeze? That is what I am using in my loop.

53 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

Of course you get an SP92 out of the gate. Lol.

Brother @Papusan is such a lucky guy. Maybe we should have him buy our CPUs for us in Norway and ship them to us. The Viking gods smile down on him from Valhalla. 🙂

4 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Its all good 🙂 I appreciate you giving this platform a chance.

Certainly. My pleasure. It's not hard to want to hang out with people you have enjoyed being around for more than a decade... some have been friends for about 15 years.

Just now, Reciever said:

I plan to do exactly that, we just need to decouple Likes/Emoji's from the REP system (which is why the limitation is in place by default)

Let me touch base with @Hiewand make sure we are on the same page first.

Thanks. I can't give you a rep for the prompt reply for the reason I asked the question, LOL. 
But, it's the thought that counts. I would have if I could have. 👍

1 minute ago, serpro69 said:

And that's on LTSC...  Imagine number of services on 'Home' or 'Pro' edition.

Oh, yeah... it is way lots worse on Home and Pro version. Bloat City. Unacceptable.

Hey Brother @Reciever can we do away with this limitation? It is pretty annoying to not be able to give a reaction after using up a daily quota.