Mr. Fox

28 minutes ago, ryan said:

Papusan I can't get higher or as high as that again. Iv'e done alot of tweaking and score went down slightly it gets toasty when I run a heavy load. peaks at 100c and then throttles. ill have to wait until I get a laptop cooler

If it is cold outside, put your laptop on the patio, turn it off and let it normalize with the ambient temps. Once it is stone cold and matching the outside air, then go out there, turn it on, max out the fans and run the benchmark again before it has a chance to heat itself up. You'll probably set a new record with that hardware config.

1 hour ago, Jaggy84 said:

I don’t think manufactures really appreciate people voiding warranties for the sake of benchmarks, games, hardware, etc… but that certainly didn’t stop me lol

They probably do not, but the bottom line is that it is none of their business. I am glad it did not stop you and I feel bad for people that are so locked up with worry about voiding their warranty that they are willing to tolerate products that malfunction because they were poorly engineered by the nitwits that designed it. It really begs the question about the point in purchasing something specifically because of its potential to be special if you plan to leave it floundering in mediocrity.

17 minutes ago, ryan said:

i just did a system restore and dolby access audio is choppy now

Is GPUPI 3.2 a "portable" app that you simply extract and run? If not, did you uninstall it as well? If it has no installer, delete the folder. If you get an error about a file in use or needing permission to delete when trying to delete the folder after running System Restore and rebooting, then it could have been packing some extra stuff that is nasty. You could try deleting it in Safe Mode if that happens.

If you start Windows Task Manager, see if something is hogging up CPU and/or memory resources. If something is running in the background it could affect the audio.

9 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah computer has been crashing apps(antivirus ones) and sound is messed

Unless the Redmond Retards disabled it and you didn't notice they had, run System Restore and it will probably be as good as new.

@ryan that is really strange. Not sure why that would happen with GPUPI 3.2 being installed.

1 hour ago, Ionising_Radiation said:

IMHO, that's like burning books because their content is offensive. If we want to push for certain trends, we should vote with our wallets, and not change names for the sake of it; it is as virtue-signalling as 'press Like for the poor starving African kids'.

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the word 'notebook': the word was adopted decades ago for the mobile computer form factor with two panels connected by a hinge (that is reminiscent of paper notebooks); one panel with the display, and the other containing the keyboard, motherboard, other HID, connectivity, etc.

I don't disagree with you conceptually, although I do not consider that rejecting what you find objectionable is tantamount to virtue-signaling. It is the opposite. Pretending to be inclusive or embracing everything can also be a form of virtue-signaling. Virtue-signalling is very popular among certain groups and hypocrisy in any form is repulsive, but the word "notebook" existed before computers were created or Apple hijacked it. It is also not particularly descriptive and is as misused as the terms "Sheetrock" and "Kleenex" are, but it is generally associated with thin and  light stuff. That is why I invented the term "turdbook" (very descriptive) but I now apply that universally to include the so-called DTRs that are equally compromised. Note that I own a turdbook (in my signature). I don't like it very much and don't use it except when necessary, but it is directed in a derrogatory manner toward products and not the people that own them.

7 minutes ago, Samir said:

Tell us how you really feel, lol.

I've noticed a lot of site do have a 'dark' theme, but I've also read that chrome/ff/something has a 'dark' mode that does a pretty good job as well.

Yes, I use a dark theme from Chrome store, but some of them I have used in the past do not render pages correctly. The one I use now does not force dark mode on web pages that do not already have a dark mode option. It generally works best when it is natively supported. Otherwise you get random weirdness like text being too dark to read or black everwhere except text with the text being white over a white background make it as impossible to read as black text on a black background.

Brother @ryan - here you go, buddy... in all of its glory. 

14 minutes ago, Ionising_Radiation said:

Erm... That word is the basis for Apple's entire MacBook line. Macintosh notebook → Mac notebook → MacBook. Many other brands have 'Book' as a brand name, like Surface Book, HP ProBook, Razer Book, Asus VivoBook, etc etc...

A great reason to call them laptops instead of notebooks. Notebooks carries not only the Mac stigma, it also seems to align with the emphais of form over function. That is fine if it is what makes someone all warm and fuzzy feeling, but it is good to avoid making it appear to those looking for a place to hang their hats that this would be a community that primarily caters to that.

I'm glad this form is not part of the XenForo mob. I really dislike it and the original NBR was never as good after the downgrade to XenForo. I think that also contributed to the overclock.net fall from grace in the eyes of many. While my preference is vBulletin, this is a good alternative.

I like the Dark Bravo 6 theme. It is much better than the eye-searing and ugly white and cornflower blue bloat-UI mess that seems to be wildly popular with the W10/11 fanboy masses.

7 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

So, I personally am here for the notebook talk.  I think what set NBR apart from other PC forums (Tech|Inferno, Overclock.net, [H]ardForum, etc.) was the focus on notebooks.  Specifically, the various hardware manufacturer sections.  A new user passing by could find in-depth discussions on specific models, issues, and upgrade options, and find knowledgeable people to ask questions of.  I really hope that we manage to recapture that here.  There's really no place else where it exists otherwise.  Notebooks were the niche of NBR.

I say this recognizing that there is a group of people who (presumably) originally joined up to chat about notebooks, but stuck around after moving away from notebooks and are still active.  (I know that Intel's move to BGA and the general move away from MXM has played a role in making notebooks less interesting for some people since there are generally less upgrade options now.)  And I don't want to say that I think there is no room for more general PC chatter on a site where most users are chatting about notebooks.  No issue with that at all.

So I guess the question is, do we have the name reflect our niche or do we try to push beyond our niche and broaden out the user base a bit?  I personally am a bit apprehensive that trying to be the home for "everything PC" will put us in a position that nothing really sets us apart from other forums like those mentioned above.  Anyway, I guess that is why we have a vote.  🙂

By virtue of having all of the notebook manufacturer subforms and threads you still appeal to the narrow interests of notebook brand niche without losing any appeal to folks that have different interests. For example, there are also subforms relating to general hardware, software and operating system discussions that are not specific to laptops.

I would love to see some major emphasis relating to driver and firmware mods that free computer users of any and all form factors from the bondage of draconian Nazi control freak computer manufacturing practices. The only way computer owners are going to continue enjoying autonomy is to beat them at their own deceptive and dishonest puppeteer racket the general population of sheeple have bowed to. If we prostrate ourselves before them they will continue to play the role of digi-gods.

42 minutes ago, Hiew said:

I like the idea of the main domain not being tied to solely notebooks so we can attract many others to the forum as well

A generic focus on all things relating to PC can only be beneficial in terms of driving participation and engagement.

On 2/8/2022 at 11:37 PM, runix18 said:

I am using this https://www.ebay.com/itm/283772575617?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item421229df81:g:6ukAAOSwkfReO9Qw&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACoPYe5NmHp%2B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSwcmzw5CLtzTE60FqHcnq2BgKtyKbhGOMqnlQdWf9MtaGpAd%2F2qcqW6LZyce6HUyTnFGqH31aVn8vTzJjywrCOBxTZFa82GkuA4LZHLF%2F5MPTFCR%2BuK%2FeJThIS%2BAEglszLfSnH34Cw%2FhDk3nzl93B0C3wtPtnjxHf5eTaj6Dlw1iO2b37TnG1lyZQwwOCIj5caTqd6Yz%2FiAfXzH364DOuztiDnydJqo3rhQXOyWN%2F5kSHnyiCfYHI%2B6nQ3ilf56AlvyjoQOOsvA3gQ3pE3S%2Fn4V0lrmHgxegY5UJA26PnOIiZWYWO99q6lu2tRhbKaOn42jdwgdlXtIv1n%2B%2Fgef5Cc6UqRAmgI6K8TIf0KeKfBnuRiTLbzAMcUWZXqCg31w6vXRTIwiH7Z7Pef38V%2FG4pk4GXDEwSmzqfxO5M1V%2B0YRuXZH5uLLJ05NQvU2450AB%2BQ%2B4QM1PvS1qhRQ%2BXMlt601ARN9YBrT%2FmA565eSrCs3THeXwPPkcya0lS2GRsH9d4ZAEsau%2FbuzMdvKMlLgcs13KxMTo%2BnEnlJpf36rt%2F4MYJGnHSKOBqEfCmOL9gD5yQaWTSQ%2BlvREWmIHtMxL44EnDvVbapyeMgj7Z91EovOnbqlBU%2FAgixH8R06S%2B9%2BBzyzIiMcxcgGw5ctMCgjW8GF9zBYm7q9TH2DjXk%2FMdTCgjAcBzM1TMBjIyHsjP9ozLRWG69VrsSM0FUszo7eUcENAuTDxC4kWzbLcsXLdB8wYSPL02uBCAU1xvAW28XxGrc72%2B8ziBl810QXJNMgzdIG49MVIMVxCjTU7biHL9ZAQoEiqTzqVNQp6eDJ0wr4SqPKDi7rEbK%2FUDgmteFDF4v0A%3D%3D|clp%3A2334524|tkp%3ABFBMwo-J09tf

It is the same thing as conductanout or clu, it is basicaly liquid metal but with noname (alas cheaper...way cheaper)

same results as conductanout so basicaly why not? You get a lot of product for the money.

I think you're the winner of the longest URL award this month. 

On 2/10/2022 at 8:48 PM, Sandy Bridge said:

So I checked my history, and my old laptop, with a Core 2 Extreme, is using Arctic Silver 5, last applied in mid-2017.  My desktop's CPU paste is even older, probably the same that I applied when I swapped to a 212 Evo in 2014, and also probably Arctic Silver 5.  By that time, whatever I'd applied in 2011 was obviously failing as shown by fans and temps.  Dunno if it was what shipped with my Intel CPU, or the CoolerMaster Unspecified Type paste I still have laying around somewhere.

In 2014, the new ArcticSilver 5 setup hit 53C at stock, full CPU, 58C overclocked to 3.8 GHz.  Now, 7.5 years later, at 3.6 GHz, I'm maxing out at 60C, with 1520 RPM fans instead of 1230 RPM in 2014 (it's also a different physical fan on the CPU heatsink).  Other changes include more hard drives to impede airflow, and that I haven't done a good dusting for a while, as I had when testing in 2014.  I also failed to note the ambient temperature in 2014; it's 67F currently.

I'm pretty happy with that longevity.  I could probably get improved performance by re-pasting with the same type of paste (AS5 has a thermal conductivity of 8.9W/mK according to my search results), and I'm sure I could get even better with more powerful paste.  But why bother?  If I need more performance at this point, I'll rebuild the system with a CPU that isn't a decade old.

(Apparently Arctic Silver and Arctic aren't the same companies, either... I thought they were until looking them both up tonight)

I have wondered if my Core 2 Extreme laptop could hit 3 GHz on all cores with better thermal paste, and it's plausible.  But again, it would kind of being doing it for the sake of doing it.

Props on the detailed comparison chart in the first post, definitely a good reference.

The fact that you were able to keep your hands off the internals of your system for that many years is something in and of itself. I have never managed to use any system for more than a few months, at most, without having a reason to tear things apart for some kind of hardware mod, new experiment or test compelling me to disrupt everything. When laptops were still something I cared about, sometimes I would go for many months without even installing the screws in the lower cover or keyboard. The magnetic keyboard feature on the Clevo P870s was effective enough by itself that it was a waste of time reaching for a screwdriver.

I prefer something that doesn't place a focus on notebooks or laptops in the name, so the first two options or Core-PC are my idea of better choices. I consider that a possible limiting factor to the community because potential members might not have any interest if that is the focus. I am here because I have friends here, but I have no interest in laptops.

Does "efgxt" actually stand for something? I have been meaning to ask what the story behind that is, if there is one. Or, is it a meaningless hodge-podge of random letters?

1 hour ago, ryan said:

 

this is my performance with a 3060 115w and i7 11800h auto fans so my everyday day to day performance, I can get higher but not by much. impressive matching a 3070 85w

Nice runs Brother @ryan

https://valid.x86.fr/3etxyw
https://hwbot.org/submission/4927266_mr._fox_memory_frequency_ddr4_sdram_2355.2_mhz
https://hwbot.org/submission/4927259_mr._fox_cpu_frequency_core_i9_10900k_5612.32_mhz

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Mr. Fox what does your 3090 get lmao 600-900fps I can't even imagine.

I am going to have to check. I don't remember. I know it's way up there with everything totally maxed out and 2560*1440 resolution/165Hz monitor. I bet I played games less than 4 hours for the entire year of 2021, LOL. When I did it was usually just for a few minutes to run some benchmarks.

31 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Hey everyone! Long time no see! 

Welcome, bro. We missed you.

20 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I still run my 11900K, it has been at 5.5Ghz daily for some time now. My water chiller kicks on and off as usual, it too runs daily lol. I still have the 3090 Kingpin. And, I don’t plan on ever selling it seeing how pale the 3090Ti is. If I’m smart I will keep my 3090KP HC as a backup, or secondary GPU for years to come. If you really think about it, I’d love to have just a 2080Ti FE in my second rig. Which uses weak integrated Intel graphics. So, that should give some indication on how long GPU’s really last us. 
 

Anyways, hey everyone! 

Yeah, I don't seem myself parting with my shunt modded 2080 Ti FTW3 or my 3090 KPE for a long, long time. They might both wear out and die before I replace them. I also don't see myself spending as much as I spent on the 3090 KPE on another GPU ever again. I absolutely love the 3090 KPE, but that was a really stupid move financially, even if I ignore the fact that I got it right before the prices went totally bonkers. At the original MSRP it was already way too much money. I do acknowledge that I was very blessed to have snagged it before things went crazy though, for sure.

If and when I do get a newer generation GPU it will be an ordinary reference PCB that has lots of waterblock options and I will just void the warranty with firmware, shunt and voltage mods to make it run like I want it to. My modded 2080 TI FTW3 overclocks just as well as just about any KPE of the same vintage using water cooling. It just lacks some of the controls I would need for sub-zero tuning. But, I'm not doing that anyway, so no biggie.

1 hour ago, ryan said:

i'd like to mention thats with a high overclock the highest scoring 115w 3060. good luck scoring better. Mr. Fox what does your 3090 get lmao 600-900fps I can't even imagine. honestly all low on crysis 3 looks identical to all veryhigh. not sure why but it does one of the few games like this farcry being the other exception

 

proof of over 200, very demanding scene overall it averages more closer to 300-320

 

 

also i'd like to add I cannot seem to like others posts.  ideas?

@ryan the place to click is invisble (not sure why) until you hover over it. To the far right of the browser in the same row as + Quote there is an area you click on. Find it and the option to give rep will appear out of nowhere. If someone else has already given rep, it is the blank space just to the right of the trophy/heart/thumbs up icons others have applied.

12 minutes ago, ryan said:

can I post crysis 3 benchmarks all low? or is this just desktop? ill delete this if not

 

 

over 200 fps all low very high textures and looks like ultra at 1080p..gpus have come a long way

 

Please do. We welcome all benchmarks here as long as it is not a smartphone or tablet.

Anything Crysis related (especially Crysis 3) gets my attention. My favorite game franchise.

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Now we start talking. From 26th to 1th place for 750Ti 🙂

https://hwbot.org/submission/4927129_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_750_ti_138708_marks?recalculate=true

 

 

Can't hate that! Nice job Brother @Papusan

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

* whistles quietly in the corner, not mentioning how much storage is in one of my servers*

OK. Now you have to tell us, LOL. Curiosity may have killed the cat, but it made the Fox go nuts. 😆

I think it would be OK if someone just wanted 80TB for no specific reason other than enjoyment of excess or a fetish for having gobs of storage. I would not question it as far as challenging the rationale for it, but I might ask out of curiosity if they have an unusual or interesting basis for needing such a massive amount of drive space. I always like having substantially more of something I like or enjoy than what I technically "need" to get the job done.

4 hours ago, Talon said:

Pay $200 to have the "chance" of buying a GPU? What a joke. 

If they made it redeemable for in-store credit on the next purchase over $1,000 within 12 months it might be more palatable from a customer perspective. I'd consider it to be an advance down-payment on a buying spree planned ahead of a desirable product launch. But, then they wouldn't get money for nothing. That might defeat the purpose of what they are trying to accomplish if their goal is to get money for nothing.