Mr. Fox

Only if you think one of them is bad, or if you are concerned about one of the motherboard DIMM slots having a problem. Otherwise, I am not sure what you would accomplish. If you are not planning to use it with one stick of RAM then probably no point in finding how far it can go with one stick installed.

This is not tuned, just settings I suspected would boot and run. I haven't tried 8600 yet, but it looks like 8200 and 8400 aren't too hard, even with GDM disabled. Can probably do more enabled. I suspect 8600 will work as well. But, the performance doesn't move a lot because the CPU architecture is the bottleneck. Still impressive for a 4-DIMM board.

Well, the AORUS Master arrived damaged, so I had to reach out to Central about expediting a replacement. I just discovered it when I opened the box less than an hour ago to install it. The big NVMe heat sink below the GPU slot was loose and banging around in transit and breaking things. It is after hours for them, so probably will hear from them sometime tomorrow. On October 14, 2025, Microsoft will end support for Windows 10. Ironically, October 14 is also International E-waste Day. You just can't make this stuff up.

On October 14, 2025, Microsoft will end support for Windows 10. Ironically, October 14 is also International E-waste Day. You just can't make this stuff up.

Depending on how hot my office is, between 90-95°C with the same BIOS settings. So, roughly 15-20°C core max reduction. Very clear and unmistakable improvement. Basically mirrored the improvement seen on the first 9950X delid/bare die upgrade. This is using the Thermal Grizzly Mycro Pro direct die block.

So, I delidded the second 9950X and, yes, nice temperature drop. 74.9°C core max in Cinebench R23.

Only items #1 and #3 remain. All other items sold.

You would be surprised how many people I have told this to that do not believe me, LOL. It is absolutely for real a lottery, in some ways even worse than the CPU lottery. Only about one in five or six memory kits I have owned (DDR4 and DDR5) have actually worked correctly at their advertised speeds with default XMP profiles, etc. and only one out of two that did work correctly as advertised were actually worth keeping for overclocking. So, about 2 out of 10 that worked as advertised with 1 of those 2 samples actually being good enough to keep and not RMA for a refund. I have returned more garbage memory kits than I can keep track of.

Well, the mobo and CPU combo deal just got sweeter. I had an old G.SKILL Trident Z5 7200 kit that had one bad stick. It was in my spare parts pile an forgotten about. I rediscovered it going through my stuff to sell and I had it replaced under warranty and today received the brand new replacement kit. I am including it in this mobo/CPU bundle at no extra cost. So, it is like getting $135 for free with the purchase. It sells for that price on Amazon today. G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series (Intel XMP 3.0) DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 7200MT/s CL34-45-45-115 1.40V - Metallic Silver (F5-7200J3445G16GX2-TZ5RS) I just now opened the sealed package to install it and set the XMP profile to confirm it was good. No tuning done, just confirming the kit runs at the rated XMP speed and timings.

Item # 2 and item #4 sold. Still available: Item #1: Z790 Motherboard/13900KS CPU Combo - $550 $500 + Shipping - Strix Z790E Gaming WiFi and 13900KS SP108 (120_E84_MC83) Item #3: Intel Core i9 14900KF - $375 + Shipping - 14900KF (SP104_P116_E82_MC88) w/ lapped Copper IHS Item #5: Supercool Computer LGA1700 Direct Die Kit - $40 + Shipping - complete with RGB shroud, mounting hardware and associated parts, Allen wrenches, etc. - SOLD - NO LONGER AVAILABLE -

Yes, it does. I think they might be the same PCB. I have emailed Titan Rig to see if they can get it rather than ordering it directly from Alphacool. Alphacool has blocks for like 17 different 9070 XT models. I think it is a Radeon trait and they all run hot. They use surprisingly high memory voltage on the 9070 XT, maybe to clock the memory higher to help make up the difference using slower VRAM than NVIDIA. The 6900 XT that I had still ran hot even on water, just not as insanely hot. But hotter than I had ever seen on water before. https://shop.alphacool.com/shop/gpu-wasserkuehlung/amd/14780-alphacool-core-rx-9070-xt-aorus-elite-mit-backplate Edit: Looks like I have an interested buyer for one of the 14900KF now.

X670E Gene, Trident Z5 EXPO 6000 CL23 RAM and IceMan RAM block sold. Boxed, labeled and ready for UPS tomorrow. I will be ordering an Alphacool CORE block for the AORUS ELITE 9070 XT. It needs it. Real bad. Looks like they are projected to be 6 to 8 weeks (in production). Air cooling is not my friend. The Arizona heat and absence of humidity (especially) doesn't play nice with air cooling.

The second Master should be here Wednesday. I added the Gene/RAM/IceMan block combo to the listing and think I already have it sold. Not sure why nobody is interested in the Intel parts. I am starting to become attached to the Z90-E Strix and 13900KS so I hope someone snags it soon to remove the tempation to keep. I am using it right now and it's solid. Played a couple of hours of DOOM: The Dark Ages on it yesterday and it runs silky smooth at 4K with the 9070 XT. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29468045/ My love/hate relationship with the open bench will likely never end. Just ran this for giggles a moment ago. Runs super cool. Very solid performer.

Wow. What happened? Melted insulation or overheated socket? Do you have aluminum wiring from before it got banned by most building codes? I have never experienced that before, only tripped circuit breakers. I have replaced two circuit breakers that were tripped too many times and apparently weakened from lots of benching and pulling over 1000W from the wall.

To all for whom the holiday is relevant, have a good day tomorrow as we celebrate the freedom we enjoy and honor those who gave their lives so that we can.

Nice job!

I haven't change the price on overclock.net but I am willing to knock $50 off the mobo and CPU combo for members of this forum. So, $500 + shipping. The motherboard is basically brand new. It was purchased for the sole purpose of identifying each CPU (SP ratings) because I had lost track.

16GB modules or 24GB? The 24GB modules suck on the Gene. They work perfectly on the generation newer Master. If you are testing only 24GB modules I am not surprised. If you want that you're probably going to need to get an X870E motherboard to find the appropriate attention to it at the firmware level. The Gene has a BIOS update intended to support 24GB modules, but using them still sucks in terms of performance and stability. I really do not believe it is a hardware issue, just lack of proper attention to firmware.

I really think part of what you are finding is poor firmware support for the 24GB modules. EOL platforms (Intel and AMD) are never going to get the level of firmware support they deserve because the expectation is for everyone to waste money on a new motherboard. I think it is deliberate and orchestrated. The 24GB modules also do not work well on Intel unless the motherboard OEM gives it the effort needed. And, it usually takes two or three BIOS updates focused on that before it works well.

It is puzzling to me that anyone would pay $1,000 USD for an MSI Godlike or ASUS Extreme motherboard. Other than a couple of cheap to make gadgets and gimmicks they offer little or nothing and seem to be a total waste of money, especially on a Ryzen build. It applies to Intel as well. Just a scam to milk more money from those easily influenced by marketing rhetoric I think. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29469837/

Hey Brother @jaybee83 have you tried any of this stuff yet? You get it straight from Splave out of Austin, TX. https://splavepc.com/ Essentially the same performance as KPx and Duronaut. The KPx application had been in use a week or so. The Splave One and Duronaut were fresh applications. The Splave one did not work as well with a manual spread. I redid it with a line down the middle and let the waterblock spread it. Bottom line: it doesn't matter which one you choose. Use what you have. If the Duronaut is actually more durable (as claimed) it may be the better long-term choice.

Ah ha! An A$$rock Ryzen CPU killer! 🤣 The X870E boards (Carbon, Master, etc.) and most of the B850 boards can just about all do over 8000 even with 2dpc. It's rare with AM5 600 series to see 8000. You could grab an ATX B850 board for even less and confirm that the old mobo is the limiting factor. One of the great things about the AORUS Master is that it has asynchronous BCLK (eCLK). Not many X870E motherboards do, and most of those that do are all a WHOLE LOT more expensive (Apex, Godlike, etc.). Most of the appropriately priced options do not. The only major flaw for the Master (and other Gigabutt boards) is no BIOS option to disable the slot for WiFi/BT modules. I don't know why they do not make this available like other brands. It seems they operation on the ludicrious assumption that everyone uses WiFi/BT and everyone is using Windows 11 (WiFi 7 doesn't work on Windows 10). One of these days I am going to see if @Prema can find a way to expose/enable that. If not I will probably remove the VRM heatsink/IO cover and remove the modules from the slots. I hate having WiFI/BT enabled and not having a way to disable them. Plus, I couldn't use the WiFI even if I wanted to, because Windows 11 is too shitty to use just so WiFi would work. I'd use a USB WiFi card instead to avoid Winduhz 11 crap. The other thing (and it is common on all AMD boards... ASUS just fixed it with the most recent BIOS updates) is tRCDWR/RD are combined into one setting that equalizes them. You have to use hex numbers on the AMD Overclocking menu to manually adjust tRCDWR.

My money is on this one turning out best. Will be interesting to see if that prediction is true. The only memory kit I have that works better than that one is the 32GB (16x2) equivalent. The G.SKILL Neo 6000 C23 kit seems to function the same as the 8000 kit. Both kits will run the other kit's EXPO profile stable with the same read/write/copy/latency.

Making good products that work correctly is no longer necessary because people are too eager to pay double a product's value for the sake of bragging rights. It doesn't have to be any good, and it can even be broken, but that's OK as long as they get to attend the party. The doorway to the dance floor at Club Stupid is a wide one, and it's always open.

No idea, honestly. Nor do I care if I am completely transparent. As soon as I discover deal-breaking functionality defects and design flaws I stop wasting time with products and no longer care about them in any way. The Taichi was used 15 minutes before the RMA was submitted and it spent less than an hour out of the box. My interest in the Apex was lost on first boot. As soon as I confirmed the only slot I could use was the one above the GPU I was done with it. I wasted a few days trying to convince myself it was not a piece of trash and trying to find a reason to keep it, but common sense won. $800 is too much for a broken pile of dung. Overclocking is what I value most, but I still need the product to do everything I want it to or I'm not going to keep it. I manage people the same way. Either do what I tell you to do, and do it the way I tell you (or trained you) to do it, or you're fired. My way or the highway. That said, nothing really stands out as superior on any Ryzen platform. Mostly belly button cookie-cutter crap. There is no identifiable performance advantage to the Gene over the Carbon or Master. In fact, the Carbon and Master both have better memory performance and higher benchmark scores, but we are talking minuscule differences within the margin of error. The Gene was ahead of its time. Now others have caught up and the Gene doesn't totally destroy everything else like it used to. Going from a cumbersome manual tuning of 6000 to 8000 to 8400 on Ryzen produces minimal measurable differences. There is no night and day difference in performance no matter what you do. We got spoiled with Intel. Then they came in and took a dump on their own living room floor with the skanky wuss-boy Core Ultra trash. You are totally right about the improvements with the 800 series. Pretty big improvements in several ways. The implementation sometimes lacks intelligence (Apex, Taichi and others being examples) but that is not the fault of AMD or the chipset. It's just half-hearted and unintelligent motherboard engineering on the part of the OEM. I replied to your post. There is never a shortage of stupid. Maybe that PC owner is a pre-adolescent girl. Stupid crap like that gives you another reason to have the vomiting man avatar.