Mr. Fox

If that is how it works out it could be fatal business decision for them.

It is both good and bad. BAD: Considering it is missing hyperthreading and falls short by 8 threads because of that, the Cinebench score could have been MUCH higher if it matched the prior i9. Bad also because you are paying a lot for no overall performance increase. Bad because you're paying for stupid gimmicks nobody wanted or asked for (i.e. asinine NPU AI bullcrap). Bad also because they moved to a tiled design and farms this out to TSMC. Bad because they kept E-cores instead of ditching them and adding more P-core. Spending the money seems pointless for anyone with a Z790 system with an i9. All of this makes me feel angry. GOOD: for only 24 threads, that Cinebench R23 score seems excellent. That is the equivalent of a 5.9-6.0GHz all-P-core and 4.7-4.8GHz all-E-core overclock of a 14900KS. The temperatures and power draw are very good. Will that create overclocking headroom? I don't know. Hopefully it will. It looks like DDR5 overclocking might show improvement. For someone with a Z590 or earlier system, upgrading to this makes more sense than a Z790 equivalent even though it could have been better if they had not ditched hyperthreading. It could have been better than better had they not moved to a stupid tiled chiplet piece of crap and replaced E-core with more hyperthreaded P-cores. I came very close to buying new AMD parts the other day, but then I pulled my head out and remembered how that has turned out every time before and that I have never been satisfied, even once, with anything they make. It's also an engineering abortion with a tiled design and a guaranteed crappy CCD paired with a potentially good or OK CCD. But, the fact that I even paused to momentarily consider doing that shows how disappointing the newer and not-better platform is. So, looks like there is an awful lot to be pissed off about and just a few things to appreciate. They're not trying very hard. This could have been really easy for them had they given it more effort. I wonder if they are holding back something better like an Intel "Ti" CPU equivlant that will be released to milk more money from Intel enthusiasts.

That's really awesome. What a sweet deal. It runs like a top. What does the memory latency look like?

Well hey, whaddayaknow... Jufus is a review shill now. Hoodathunkit? He got a "media kit" from ASSzeus.

I've stopped listening to all of the silly chatter about gaming this and gaming that. I don't really care. What I do care about is no hyperthreading and reduced core/thread count and the assinine glorification of using less power. That part makes me angry, but I really don't give a hoot if an X3D CPU does something better with games. It's not all that important to me, and once your framerate is higher than 150-200 FPS, or equal/greater than your monitor refresh rate and free of stuttering issues, it really starts to not matter in the grand scheme of things for gaming. I want them to be focused on raw mutli-core horsepower and increasing core/thread count and stop talking about stupid stuff like using less power, being "more efficient" and not being the best gaming CPU. That's my...

The world has plenty of lunatics. Every country has more of them than they wish they did. They're not as rare as they used to be. Some have managed to pass themselves off as normal, and in some places they unfortunately are.

It looks like this may be a new product. Corsair's video is only 2 days old. Looks like a refinement of the Obsidian, and it costs $100 less. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/pc-cases/cc-9011273-ww/9000d-rgb-airflow-super-full-tower-pc-case-cc-9011273-ww

I love that. Very awesome. I agree... huge monolithic CPU is the only good way to do it. Everything else is a dumb idea with strings attached and caveats. It is amazing that the motherboard is wider than an air-cooled 4090. I'm not sure that case you are wanting is going to be large enough for this mobo and big radiators. You might want to get one like @Papusan has, (Corsair Obsidian 1000D,) and even that will just barely be big enough. Edit: a 9000D Airflow might also work. Seems very similar to the Obsidian but less glass and more ventilation. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/pc-cases/cc-9011273-ww/9000d-rgb-airflow-super-full-tower-pc-case-cc-9011273-ww

That one.

It is not fair for NVIDIA to be the only manufacturer with melting GPU power connectors and hogging all of the media attention. Intel and AMD deserve to get equal free publicity. This also shows us that stupidity is a contagious disease. If jumping off the edge of the roof and breaking legs is the latest popular trend, then all the idiots will be doing it. There was one thing, and only one thing, that I liked and admired about AMD video cards. Sounds like that one thing is going away now. Edit: Brother @cylix it looks like wccftech took down that article or the link shared is no good.

Unnecessary change purely for the sake of change. No benefit to the end user, merely a scam to enhance revenue. Same as the idiotic 12VHPWR GPU power cable scam. Something new to sell that nobody needed or asked for.

Evil bastards making stupid products for stupid people. We need to round all of them up, tie bags of bricks to their ankles and drop them all into the ocean. Then we will see what AI can do to make their lives better as they sleep with the fishes. They're all a total waste of DNA and we should stop sharing our oxygen with them.

You have provided another real-life example of what I have been deliberately repeating in a potentially annoying manner: Stupidity rules. Those folks are living proof of it. I am sad to have to tell you, there is no way to increase the voltage short of buying some components from Elmore's Labs and breaking out the soldering iron. Nobody makes enthusiast GPUs now. The only kind you can buy now are castrated gamer wuss and wannabe parts. So, other than an obsolete Kingpin model or a Galax unicorn, both of which require a special vBIOS to have full function (stock firmware is gimped to spec) if you can even find a Galax HOF for sale in the US, you're just SOL. Hey. Happy Tuesday, brother. Yeah, I hear those are awesome chairs. I have never seen one other than photos. And, I have never seen a used one for sale. They're probably too expensive to be common, and if someone has one, they probably use it forever and then pass it down to family as an heirloom.

Der8auer should have his delid and bare die solution out by then (a must) and hopefully Intel will have an epiphany that nobody with a smidgen of intelligence wants a CPU missing hyperthreading. Hopefully by then they will be done with stupid experiments like using Atom cores and the foolish chiplet/tiled design nonsense.

Sad, but true...

I think NVIDIA invented the idea of castrating their outgoing GPU with driver cancer to make the half-baked next gen look better and not get utterly wrecked by an older part. Predictable that it would metastasize to other major component manufacturers. Getting away with bad behavior always sets an unwanted precedent. So, we shouldn't hold our breath. I suspect we will be seeing Intel, AMD and probably other major component manufacturers following this scummy business practice with regularity. They're already calling anything that uses less power a win, even when it is not a win from a performance perspective. Stupidity rules. Jufus said, "you know what the interesting thing is about Intel and AMD actually I don't think they even know how their own products work literally." And, he is not wrong. It bears repeating... Stupidity rules. More evidence that stupidity rules. Two years later and they still make all the same stupid mistakes.

We're reaching a point where we can always count on two things to be true more often than not: new technology is going to be a disappointment in one or more ways new technology is going to be unreasonably overpriced and offer poor value As that remains true and constant over time it wil also drive up the cost of old technology, making used PC parts hold their value better and making them more costly to purchase used. It won't be surprising to find more examples of people that "upgraded" that have regrets about selling their old parts and start looking to buy replacements for the things they sold to pay for the new better newer tech. It is not accidental that I have spare CPUs and more desktops than I need right now. I won't have to spend money if something breaks and if nothing breaks I have something I can sell that will probably sell for as much or maybe even more than what it cost me. Edit: @Papusan as we remember how, once upon a time, laptops like the very old Alienware and Clevo dream machines were objects of admiration that demonstrated a commitment to excellence that later died or ceased to exist, I am thinking the day is coming soon when we begin to look back on desktop computers in the same way. Stupidity rules and sucky is the new normal.

This is a legit email, and the usage percentage is accurate, but I think their AI needs some tuning. The only thing I know of that you can reduce from zero is the temperature. I'm tempted to call customer service and express my interest in learning more about how my 0% credit usage can be reduced, LOL. Does that will mean creditors start giving me money?

Open box ASRock Z690 Velocita motherboard for $112. Since it has 4 memory slots it (sadly) can't do better than DDR5 6400. So, now I have the opportunity to experience what DDR5 memory speeds feel like for the push-button computer "experts" of the world. You know, those PopCap gaming titans that have mastered the advanced aspects of web browsing, but are frozen in terror to even think of entering the BIOS. My other three desktops are 2 slot systems with the memory running 2000+ MT/s faster than this low budget build. Other than being emasculated with 4 memory slots, it's actually a very respectable product. It was worth $112 and doesn't have to be excellent at memory overclocking at that price. (ASUS and MSI 4-slot "enthusiast" motherboards that sell for 10 times more than what I paid for this suck just as bad at memory overclocking, LOL.)

I don't see this happening. Just wait until AMD makes their next mistake and there will be a new crisis ripe for blowing out of proportion and ready for media exacerbation.

Smells like feces to me, brother. Half-a$$ed Winduhz AI performance tuning for pansies and idiots. Nice. They can put that wussy mama's-boy junk where the sun don't shine. Most "new" things are botched up trash and PC tech is not an exception.

A nasty-finger salute goes out to all companies that behave in this manner, which is most of them. I wish them all only the worst of everything. May tragedies await them at every turn and financial hardships be with them at all times. Our lives without them in it would be a blessing.

That's totally sick, Brother T. I can hardly wait to see how that monster Xeon runs.

Now all we need is for NVIDIA to release a new generation of GPUs that are the same or weaker than their last one, but "special" only because they use less power. Maybe they are confusing energy conservation enthusiasts (tree huggers) with performance PC enthusiasts. The notion that it has fewer threads, no hyperthreading, uses less power, but somehow manages to perform the same (or within a margin of error) running stock, seems a bit far fetched. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29375595/

Two monkeys, both wanting to molest the same football. Nice.