Mr. Fox

I am using the same driver as you, too. Maybe it is something with the 9800X3D that doesn't like that game? The B850 AORUS Elite got a 9600X CPU and the Srix 1080 installed with a DDR5-6000 kit that I tightened up the timings enough that it is almost as swift as my DDR5-8000 tuned in both 9950X systems. (90GB/s read and 56.0ns latency.) My grand daughters are elated and binging on Fortnite at 1440p. (I also gave them one of my Predator 1440p 165Hz IPS monitors.) Anyhoo... I still have a few things to find a place for in my tiny little hot office. But, it is tidied up enough for me to function when I return to work tomorrow. (Today was a day of PTO.) While I don't consider myself "old" yet, I can tell that I am not young anymore. I basically spent three days redoing things. Got rid of one of my sit/stand desks and one of the storage cabinets to make it not feel so cramped. I could have done this in one day 5 or 10 years ago without feeling tired or sore from moving furniture around and lifting heavy objects. I moved the ASUS 4K 144Hz display to the wall mount and have the two Predator 4K 160Hz screens on the desk. So, eliminating one desk, one desktop computer and two monitors in this 12x12 space makes me feel a lot less claustrophobic. 🤣 Next project is to build the internal loop inside of the O11D XL EVO with valves to switch between internal loop and chiller. I have sold the XT45 1080 Nova radiator setup pending my finishing that project. This camera phone isn't great. I think the glass cover over the lens is getting dirty or fogged up on the inside. Lights off... Lights on...

I finally got around to running this. Stock GPU, 4K and Ultra Preset:

That would be totally unacceptable. I would return it for a refund or an exchange. Accepting a bad hand in the silicon lottery is just not tolerable with a GPU that costs $3,000+ and the "sorry, no guarantees as long as it runs stock" is pure bull crap. That wouldn't fly with me for even a hot second.

The A$$zeus fanboys are gonna love this post... 😆 https://www.overclock.net/posts/29457390/ I wish them all good luck with the grossly overpriced and poorly designed Apex with defective PCIe bifurcation.

Yes, but it may be a couple of days. I'm buried in projects and my office is totally torn up and I'm not able to use either system at the moment. Sold the MORA and dual XSPC Photon 240 D5 pumps to Brother @johnksss. Getting it boxed up was difficult. The weight was 35 pounds and I used the box the Montech AIR MAX came it. Something for FE-lovers. https://www.overclock.net/threads/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition-24gb-gddr6x-graphics-card.1815879/

Price. I would buy a 5080 if it were a good value like the 9070 XT. It doesn't need to be the best if it is good and the price is in scope with the performance. It should be priced between $750 to $1000 for non-FE cards. They're about twice what I would be willing to spend on one.

I received product availability emails today from MSI for severely overpriced 5080 GPUs. No thanks.

Finally received the radiators and fans for the O11D XL EVO. Still waiting for the tubing and should have it tomorrow. Besides high GPU prices I am finding it harder to get some things fast from Amazon and NewEgg because nothing is in stock and I have to piece together parts from various sources. The large 13/19mm tubing I prefer to use is harder to source than it used to be. I guess the kiddos like the skinnier tubing because it looks nice. EPDM was even considered as an option, but the 13/19 size was sold out everywhere with no ETA on new stocck.

Stupidity is always with us, and in surplus quantities. Maybe we can sell them a link to download more VRAM.

Exactly... very similar thoughts here... https://www.overclock.net/posts/29456680/

Don't sell it on eButt. Sell it at overclock.net and pay nothing in fees to them and without risk of getting scammed. Fun fact. The 4090 that I sold has already been re-sold for $500 more. I sold it for $1500 (what I paid for it new) and Mr. Nguyen from overclock.net sold it immediately (same day he got it) for $2000. Check it out. If I ever see him complaining about scalpers, I am going to call him out as one, LOL. That's pretty scummy, IMHO. I wonder if the person that bought it knows how that played out. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29456490/

I have always preferred PX1. Much better for GPU overclocking than Afterburner. Also give ASUS GPU Tweak III a try. The GUI is goofy (A$$zeus is frequently tacky with their aesthetics) but it usually works well for me when Afterburner missed the mark. There is an option in settings to enhance overclock limits.

That is such a scam and a racket needing an SLI certificate. Really goes to show what a scummy, money-grubbing bunch of control freaks the Green Goblin is.

I do not like some of these games (noted with *) and either do not own them because they have a standalone benchmark or I bought them only for their built-in benchmark. Some of these are old, but are good for testing raster performance. In no particular order, and by no means is it an all-inclusive list... just what popped into my head. EZ Bench GameTechBench Crysis/Crysis Remastered Wolfenstein Youngblood Gears of War (all of them) Far Cry New Dawn Horizon Zero Dawn Bright Memory Infinite Resident Evil 5/6 Shadow of the Tomb Raider Rise of the Tomb Raider Monster Hunter Wilds* Black Myth Wukong* Final Fantasy (all)* Cyberpunk 2077 Metro (all of them) Sniper Elite (all of them) Hitman Absolution Just Cause (all of them) Dune Awakening Alien: Isolation Borderlands 2/3 Call of Juarez Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Sleeping Dogs*

Still waiting for radiators to finish the job on the O11D XL. For now using the XT45 1080 Nova. But, it's alive and well.

I agree 100%. That's why I made that choice. Some features are valuable, but there is no reason for a $800, $1000 or more expensive motherboard to exist if it doesn't offer something valuable and useful beyond what is already present on a motherboard that costs approximately half as much. Arguably, the sub-$500 AORUS Master offers more because it isn't all screwed up in terms of basic functionality like those with the ROG fanboy tariff attached to it. You can actually use the slots without castrating the GPU. That should be normal, not abnormal, LOL. This is just one of many examples that demonstrate how the people making product design decisions and product pricing are totally out of their minds, if not just plain stupid. Being broken by design and grossly overpriced is too easily forgiven by fanbois.

Totally absurd. And, I would bet that it won't overclock the CPU or RAM any better than a B850 board or a cheap X870 does. So, what is a person paying for? Something filled with worthless gimmicks that simply takes up extra space because it is larger than necessary? It makes no sense whatsoever in terms of performance or function. Just a place to foolishly spend money for nothing meaningful in return. Unless one finds value in demonstrating their lack of financial inteliigence to everyone that knows how much they spent on it. "Wheee, look at me! I love to spend lots of money on parts that work the same as the cheaps ones. I'm so special. Mama even said so."

The newest CPUs and GPUs don't really contribute as much to that passion as they used to. In some ways we are going backwards. Stock performance is better than ever and overclocking about as lackluster as I have ever seen. There's no joy in that for overclocking enthusiasts and not much of a reason to purchase products that are made that way.

Beautiful GPU. Looks like a Suprim is supposed to look. Congrats, Brother @jaybee83

Sorry for the delayed text message. Had a busy weekend. I know you are busy with work, so just reply to the text when it is convenient. No rush. There is no real value in the AIB cards except for the fact that they are not the inferior FE design with separate parts cobbled together with cables like a stinking turdbook. The FE doesn't look bad and the form factor is useful for small builds, but I really despise the way the card is put together. Whatever person or group designed it as they did were taking some kind of scary drugs. It's quite the abortion. Everything is gimped, so even the expensive AIB cards are not offering anything in terms of performance. Even if they did offer enhanced performance, the difference is not in scale with the added cost. So, I made some hard decisions this weekend. Not only getting rid of external cooling loops and going down to just two desktops (primarly because of lack of space and my growing sense of claustrophobia the congested workspace is causing), but I also cancelled the X870E Apex order. The more I have compared differences between the all of the AM5 boards I have or did have (X670E Gene, X870E Carbon, X870E Taichi and B850 AORUS Elite) the more it seems like there is little or no differences in performance or overclocking potential. The CPU runs like the CPU is going to run and it doesn't care what motherboard it is installed in. Ryzen is a solid product, but limited by design and having a more robust motherboard makes hardly any difference in CPU overclocking, and minimal difference in RAM overclocking. This is in stark contrast to Intel, where it really does seem to make a big difference having a better motherboard. So, the B850 board got a 9600X dropped in it yesterday with some cheap G.SKILL Flare DDR5-6000 (Samsung IC) I had in my spare parts and the GTX 1080 Strix. It is going to my grand daughters. It runs like a top. With the EK Nucleus AIO it maxed out at like 71°C in Cinebench with PBO 200 offset and CO 25 and a -0.050V vCore offset and maximum vdroop enabled. Like 1.075V on vCore under full title load. They will be in heaven with the upgrade over the X79/RX 580 build I gave to them not long ago. Plus, now they will both be able to play with their friends online at the same time. They will just have to fight over who uses the better rig, LOL. I ordered an X870E AORUS Master because: (1) it has asychronous BCLK like the better A$$zeus motherboards that cost a WHOLE LOT more than the Master, and (2) it is the only logical option for PCIe bifurcation out of all of the models that exist. The only better option is the Godlike, but its ungodly price is just absurd and unacceptable. ALL (100%) of the A$$zeus ROG boards are totally effed up. I can fill all three of the PCIe X16 slots withoutout the GPU slot getting cut to X8. You cannot do that with A$$zeus crap boards because the engineers of the ROG boards were drunk or taking mind-altering drugs at the time they designed them. The two extra X16 slots on the AORUS Master are run off of the two chipsets and have no effect on the CPU lanes feeding the GPU. The middle X16 slot is PCIe 4.0 X4 and the bottom X16 slot is PCIe 3.0 X4. This is how ASUS should have done it. It's a shame how they botched thing up on all X870E boards. Idiots. I will be building using the Master in the O11D XL EVO case with the new radiators I purchased. It will have the 4090 Suprim and liquid cooled RAM. The Gene will stay in the Antec C8 and will host the air-cooled 9070 XT. As as side note, I have a bad feeling about the X870E Apex. Its launch has been pushed out multiple times (at least three times, maybe more) and the $800 pre-order price probably would not be honored even if and when it eventually is released. It was already not worth $800. Factor in the screwed up PCIe bifurcation and it's just not a good product and not worth owning IMHO. The PCIe bifurcation issues it has make it unacceptable. I also do not like the GPU release idea on the new A$$zeus boards. The release button is better, even if they managed to fix the GPU contact finger damage the original design was causing. I saw it listed for $1,999 USD on the US A$$zeus web store. They can shove that up their tailpipe and break it off. That's about $1,200 more than I would pay for it. Kiss my butt ROG scumbags.

It will take them a couple of weeks to find a freight container or semi-trailer full of GPUs to steal before they have stock available. Don't be so impatient. 😉

I haven't given it much thought, Brother John. I just finished cleaning it up and flushing it out and letting it dry. It will probably be fairly expensive to ship it. Let me give it some thought and I will text you. I bought two of these. https://www.titanrig.com/watercool-heatkiller-360-l-radiator-black-0330wc013201on.html and one of these to connect the top one to the bottom one. https://www.titanrig.com/alphacool-nexxxos-xt45-full-copper-x-flow-radiator-360mm-triple-fan-black-0330ac014501on.html and I ordered $200 (12 more) of these awesome fans. They're my favorite. Almost as good as P12 MAX but I think made better. They weigh a ton. The last two 3-packs I purchased were insanely good. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DJ45JWL1?th=1 I wish they made an option for reverse blades. As far as the motherboard goes and whether or not it will be awesome, that's the thing. It is probably NOT AWESOME. I am skeptical and concerned it is going to be totally a screwed up POS. The totally botched up PCIe lane allocation would make it hard for me to view it as a good product. If it was going to turn out right, why the hell has the release been pushed out so many times. It's a bad sign. And, it is the only 2-DIMM board. Really sucks how all of the dumba$$ motherboard OEMs crank out tons of 4-DIMM feces. The problem is, nothing new is awesome. Everything new new is pretty much rubbish, extremely overpriced, or even worse, extremely overpriced trash. I don't believe the people running the show and calling the shots in the PC tech development realm have anything but dung for brains now. A bunch of idiot monkeys trying to molest a football because their mama said no to it. Now that they have their idiot AI crap to chase, they've lost their minds and have themselves become "artifically intelligent" LOL. One of the pluses and minuses of Ryzen is that almost everyone has peak performance, whether it is good or not. There isn't much difference between silicon samples, performance is muted and they're generally not very good at overclocking. Performance is strong, but it's pretty much a belly-button product wearing a halo and pretending to be something special. Unless you're a really unlucky person, or an exceptionally lucky fellow, you're going to be a member of the normal club. Everyone gets a trophy for participating. The only reason I own one is that it's not Core Ultra chiplet smartphone core trash.

Trying to hang onto the money for my X870E Apex pre-order. That is, assuming the pre-order price remains the same. If not I may cancel it. Thinking about cancelling it anyhow. I doubt it will give me anything that that I don't already have in terms of performance with either the X670E Gene or B850 AORUS Elite (which performs almost the same as the Gene). So, I am starting to doubt that is is going to deliver enough bang for buck. In spite of the retarded $800 price tag it looks as though A$$zeus totally screwed up the PCIe lane allocation and wasted resources on things that don't matter, like USB4 and WiF7 and didn't include something useful like a slimSAS port. It's got a bunch or worthless PCIe slots that are only usable if you are OK with the GPU getting castrated to 50% (X8) bandwidth. The clowns at A$$zeu are truly idiots. About the only way I would be able to use it the way I want to is to buy an NVMe to PCIe X4 riser with a long cable to run my Sabrent quad NVMe card. Give up one NVMe slot and add four. I ordered a second Thermal Grizzly Mycro direct die block so I will be ready when I delid the second 9950X. I like that better than the TG IHS. I also ordered bunch of high CFM/high pressure fans, two Heatkiller radiators and an Alphacool X-Flow radiator to go inside of the O11D XL EVO case. I am going to sell the MORA radiator and go with an all-internal build in that case since it has tons of room for push-pull in every spot. The X-Flow will go in the back panel and connect the top and bottom radiators. I am going to use the EK manifold with QDC fittings at one end and ball valves at input side so if I want to use the chiller I can simply close the ball valves on the internal system to bypass radiators and plug in the QDC fittings from the chiller lines.

It is enough but I don't want one. I can think of a lot of better ways to spend $2500. NVIDIA can kiss my butt.

So, the Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC is on its way to the new owner and the Apex and 14900KS was delivered to its new owner today. Net on the sale of those parts was $2500. Not too shabby. I sold the GPU for what I paid for it new, not counting the waterblock.