Mr. Fox

Working very well. Well enough that I don't think I am going to try anything else.

Dad gum. Looks like PNY is about as shifty as ASUS. This really sucks. Totally dishonest. At least is was such as easy fix (no actual damage). It shows how lame the RMA centers are. They didn't even look at what was wrong, just looked for a way to deny warranty. Bastards.

It was too long ago to recall with absolute certainty, but I believe it was the TF5 and Eurocom secured it so @Prema could get the BIOS mod ready. But, it was long enough that I could be totally wrong or mistaken about which system it was. It may have been the P870DM. Whichever it was, it was provided for that purpose and I did not purchase it for my own use. It was when 8700K landed that I shifted my interest to desktop. I could not buy one anywhere and eventually gave up trying to (after several months) and ordered a prebuilt from iBuyPower so I could have an 8700K. OEMs/System Builders was the only way to buy one for like 6 months if memory serves me correctly. I've heard some not good things about 15th Gen. If any of the scuttlebutt is true, it might be a downgrade. I'm not sure how much is true at this point. It would be disappointing to wait for 15th Gen only to find out you'd have a stronger performer with a 13th or 14th Gen CPU. Reminds me a bit of 11th Gen. Made no sense for it to even exist. I guess we will all find out together. I will have a surprised look on my face if "MSRP" actually turns out to mean anything. It has been a long time since we have seen a GPU sell for the correct price. They seem to sell for "whatever the market bears" and the market is controlled by evil people and price gouging is facilitated by stupid people willing to overpay for whatever they want without questioning anything. I wish I knew the answer to that last question. If I had to take a guess, I would assume stupidity or differing priorities, or a combination of the two. Either way, it sucks. We could build a pretty long list of negative adjectives, and most would be accurate.

I think that video is geared toward people that do not have maxed out systems, yet they blame the game for being crap because the game runs like garbage with ultra settings when their build does not include ultra-capable hardware.

Are you referring to the Tornado F5? I didnt buy it. It was a product review. My re-entry to desktop world and abandonment of laptops began with 8700K. To the best of my recollection, the only products I have had on or before launch day are product review items. And those do not count since they are not purchased items.

I don't remember ever buying new tech on launch day. I generally wait a bit (30-90 days) to see how things shake out after the hype train returns to the station. As excited as I am about Battlemage, I will most likely be letting other people spend their money first and watching what happens. Your best bet might be camping out at a local retailer, arriving early enough to be at or near the front of the line.

The common acceptance of trash is probably why we see so many garbage GPUs from NVIDIA. The bottom-feeders are why we can't have nice things anymore. It wasn't enough for them to ruin laptops. They are like rats. Rats multiply rapidly, spread disease, consume trash and ruin everything.

Maybe they can network the "gaming NUC" (LOL) with their dumb-dumb ROG gaming smartphone (vomit). I think some people really do have poop for brains.

I am trying to not look at anything and maintain an apathetic perspective until after Battlemage drops. If it is as good as expected I will buy one. If not I will try to get a 4090 HOF or just do nothing. If I could get a water block for my A770 through normal retail channels I could buy a second one and sell my 4090 today for $200÷ more than I paid for it and still be the cheapest one available. I'd have enough money to buy two Battlemage GPUs, two water blocks and a 14900K, with cash to spare. Apathy, resentment, bias and outright hatred are normally very bad things, but they can be used in a positive way by consumers. NVIDIA deserves heaps of it. We need to burn it down so that something more respectable can rise from their ashes. In terms of mainboard, my black Encore and white Apex seem functionally identical in terms of CPU and memory overclocking. I think now might be a good time to consider them on the last firmware update for the rest of their lives. It would be a shame to ruin either one with the haphazard newer-is better-hurry-up-and-flash-it firmware roulette nonsense. I genuinely don't care about "security" patches. I hope both of them last longer than I want to use them. You never know with the sketchy QC ASUS are famous for. Windoze is becoming such a dumpster fire that we probably need to be more worried about that than what comes next on the hardware chocolate choo-choo train. I got to say... that just doesn't impress me. Even a little bit. Am I wrong to feel that way @Papusan? Am I just a mean old man with unrealistic expectations? Or am I a realist that doesn't drink the dumb-dumb flavored Kool-Aid? No child left behind.

They had to remove that because it is what they are. They are rotten to the core.

It is very simple if your bank offers it. You give someone your email address that you register with your bank and they transfer money from their checking or savings account directly to yours. Essentially a direct deposit. There are no fees and I like using it. The transfer is not reversible, so if you use it to pay for something make sure you are getting what you expect. It is best suited for in-person purchases for that reason.

The only thing that actually *should be* a priority relating to AI is outlawing it or severely restricting the development of it. It needs to become so overregulated and maliciously taxed into oblivion that there is no profit to be made in it so that nobody wants to do it and it becomes abandoned as a pursuit.

That looks very well-made. It should help avoid getting thermal paste in the notched areas where you don't want it and should be very good for facilitating the use of liquid metal. That would be kind of risky with so many exposed SMDs otherwise, even with one of those foam gaskets that der8auer came up with. You could literally fill up that narrow gap around the perimeter with thermal paste like a "caulk" and then clean up the IHS and apply liquid metal without losing any sleep about a mishap. Whether Intel or AMD, these CPU frames are much better than the stock latching mechanisms. And, they just look so much cleaner and smarter. They are a good example of something brilliant, inexpensive and sort of stupid to not use as a better alternative.

How awesome. Sorry, hope you feel better real quick, bro. This is for you... good technical info and a look at what comes with a mobo.

@ryan You need memory and a CPU cooler, too. Are you stuck on MemoryExpress. You might get better deals at NewEgg or Amazon. Have you checked Facepoot Marketplace, OfferUp, local pawnshops, etc? Sometimes you can find good deals on good used parts. People upgrade, lose jobs, have substance abuse issues, etc and you can get great buys on things and save hundreds of dollars. When you are open to mid-range parts, the deals are better and easier to find because the less expensive parts are more commonly purchased by gamers. As always, you can get input from us if you find a good deal. If you want it, I would give you my cell number so you could text me to ask if you find something.

If you buy a motherboard that has HDMI/DP for the Intel iGPU you could always build it and use it with the integrated graphics while you decide what GPU to buy. It would be fully functional and you could get the CPU and RAM overclock tuned to your liking. The beauty of a desktop (as long as you do not buy a proprietary prebuilt mess with severe physical limitations) is a massive amount of flexibility to do things in stages, make changes as often as you wish and upgrade as finances permit, while still having a fully functional system that can also be fun to play with. Here is some Intel iGPU silly gaming results (for giggles). 100+ FPS in CS2. 🤣 Nothing great by any stretch of the imagination, but also not a bad as one would expect based on horrible older iGPU gaming. Alternatively... you could also get a less expensive GPU to use for a little while. A750, RX 580, 5500 XT, 1660, 1060, etc.... all super cheap and decent 1080p gaming with modest settings are possible while you save money for a killer GPU like a 4080 Super or 4090. You might even be able to snag one of those used locally on Craiglist or Offer Up for like $100-125. When you get the GPU you want, you could resell the cheap GPU and probably easily recover 100% of what you spent on it, maybe even a small profit. There will always be a demand for cheap video cards as long as you can get drivers for them. https://www.newegg.com/asrock-arc-a750-a750-cld-8go/p/N82E16814930078 $209 https://www.newegg.com/peladn-radeon-rx-5500-xt/p/27N-008H-00018?Item=9SIAVWRK289852 $115 https://www.newegg.com/maxsun-radeon-rx-580/p/27N-0053-00048 $109 https://www.newegg.com/peladn-rx-580/p/27N-008H-00024 $88

I've never owned a 13700K, but I've never heard anything bad about one. It should be fantastic for gaming and from what I understand they overclock well. https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_13700k/ https://hwbot.org/submission/5126282_thebloodslug_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i7_13700k_42671_cb

@ryan These are US dollars. https://www.newegg.com/tools/combo-builder/4293?cm_sp=product-dynamiccombo-seemore

Yes, NewEgg and Amazon are the most popular options unless you live near a Microcenter. If you're not shooting for high end overclocker-focus parts you can also get some decent deals at Best Buy, but they cater more to mid-range and low-end gamers. You can find decent mobo and CPU bundles. You're asking the wrong person about what to do with the laptop. I hate all of them universally and would recommend that nobody buy one unless they spend $500 or less and they absolutely must have a mobile computing option because of constant travel. So, yes... I would take it back and get a refund if you can. Even if it meant paying a 10% restocking fee or similar penalty. There is not a laptop made anywhere that I find interesting, desirable or compelling.

Whoa, that is really messed up. I am using 0080. The motherboard already has WiFi and Bluetooth. No need to waste money on an add-in card. The CPU is $200 more than it should be. A new 13900K should be a bit under $600. Please do not buy a 256GB NVMe. That is USB thumb drive capacity. They should be giving 256GB drives away for free to dispose of them without adding to landfill e-waste. Go with 1TB or larger.

Yeah, I feel very lucky as my experience with ASUS has been less that nice. As long as they keep working and I don't have to use their horrible warranty service I am set for now. I am pleased with both setups at this time. I do wish I had discovered people using a 14900K in the Z690 Dark before I bought the Encore. I probably never would have purchased it. Me having too many spare parts on hand is financially dangerous for my PC hardware sickness. Like the wife of an alcoholic having beer in the fridge, LOL.

I had four and two went to @Rage Setif memory serves me correctly. If not him, then my friend in New Jersey that I sold the Z690 Strix setup to. I can't remember now, LOL. Edit: I might actually be thinking of the generic Hynix M-die that I had four sticks. These are the only two generic A-die modules I have owned. It's hard to keep track of some of this and I forget things that are no longer relevant in my day-to-day grind. They are excellent for overclocking. Not so much for a gamer that is scared of memory tuning because they have no XMP profiles. My intent is to sell them bundled with the motherboard and CPU, but if those don't sell or the buyer doesn't want the RAM I will promise you first dibs on it. I will send you a PM later today.