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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I have not installed it yet so I do not know what version it has. The decal on the box show a manufacture date of November 2023. -
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Thank you. I will avoid v0801 since I do not want "security" fixes. I only care about performance. I will test first with whatever BIOS is on the board from the factory before v0800. If it works OK with the factory BIOS I may skip v0800 since I would prefer to avoid newer Intel ME versions if I can. It really sucks that ASUS goes all Nazi on that stupid crap. I don't even know what version Windows ME drivers are on my work computer right now because I have Intel ME disabled in the BIOS, so no Windows drivers are even necessary. I think the motherboard firmware is like 2 years old, LOL. It just doesn't matter. Intel ME has nothing whatsoever to do with overclocking. ASUS really should be allowing the motherboard owner to make their own decisions about these things like EVGA always did. 😒 -
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Yeah, I saw that a couple of weeks ago, Brother @jaybee83. I don't think even that would be enough to re-spark my interest in laptops. I'm just done with them. Probably forever. Too many corners have to be cut due to form factor. It's a cool idea though, at least for those that can't seem to shake loose from the idea. Laptops are just too disgusting to me now. I'm OK with owning one that is cheap and my expectations are set accordingly. I've got my little sub-$500 off-lease Half-Breed when I need it. I shudder to think how hot that sucker is going to run, even with liquid cooling. There is no way that it will be able to deliver full performance in that package. Power and cooling will both be a problem. -
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Hopefully we will get another "America First" Commander in Chief back in office and we can really put the hurt on China, seal our borders and restore some of the sanity and integrity we have lost. We should not be sharing knowledge, technology, resources, food, finances or providing any kind of trade or other support to China. TSMC is building fab plants in the US. Intel and AMD have fab plants here. They are expendable. We really don't "need" China for anything, or their chintzy garbage products for anything, and we should start to behave accordingly. They, however, do need us and we should exploit that on our own terms. And, if/when we do, they need to view it as a privilege that they can lose at any moment and with no advance notice. Personally, I think we should act as if they do not exist and sever any and all relationships with them, and allow them to slip back into third-world obscurity again. The planet would be a safer and healthier without them. Oh no. I did not. Thank you. I ordered a second kit so now it will be Sunday instead of tomorrow. Huh. This arrived a week ahead of schedule. @Papusanis BIOS v0080 working well? -
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No apology necessary. There is nothing good or nice that can be said because nothing is good or nice about the world we live in right now. Good and nice are outnumbered by stupid and evil, and we are all governed by the unfit and unacceptable human dross that have lied their way into positions of power and authority thanks to the prevalence of stupidity and evil in the general population. I just ordered a pair of these on Amazon. Looks like they are made similar to the Byski RAM jackets, with a bit of extra character carved into the sides with a design. They will be here tomorrow, so I will share if they are good or not. At $10 for a pair of them it is hard to beat. I wanted the chrome ones but don't want to wait two weeks just so I can have the chrome version... not that important in the grand scheme of things. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CKYPWHQ5?th=1 -
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I hope you can get that sorted. It would be awesome to see a huge temperature drop. When I delidded the 5950X the temperatures were worse using liquid metal than before delid using the soldered stock IHS and the copper IHS. I believe it was due to variance in chiplet z-height. Using normal thermal paste made the temps the same a before delid, so I essentially gained nothing by delidding and it turned out to be a waste of time and money. Edit: you might try lapping to make all of the chiplet dies exactly the same height. -
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I am not sure if you configure it for use as an Optane cache that you can use it for storage anymore. Again, I am not entirely familiar with Optane technology, but I can vaguely remember that to be the case. I think there is a way to enable Optane using the Intel RST Windows utility. -
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I am not sure that I know of anyone that uses Optane. You might be the first. There may be some that never mentioned it. Though I haven't messed with it personally, isn't there a BIOS option that has to be enabled for it to function correctly? Are you using it for caching or for ordinary storage? As a side note, the only real difference between Z690 and Z790 is Intel eliminated Optane technology and used the PCIe lanes for other purposes. They stopped supporting it because Optane never got much traction/popularity. -
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What makes them particularly compelling is value and the sense of actually getting what you pay for, (which is rare today,) or maybe even a little extra depending on the type of workload; versus paying a whole lot of money only to get so little in return. We would not expect a $200 or $300 GPU to perform like one that cost $1000+ but we shouldn't be happy about paying $1500 for a GPU that performs like a $750 GPU. And, why would anyone feel good about an expensive new GPU that has inadequate memory capacity and a crippled memory bus? But, it is very easy to be happy about paying $200-$300 for a GPU that performs on par with one that costs $100-$200 more. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
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Their business decisions have caused me to step back and evaluate things with a more critical eye, as it is causing a harmful ripple effect on the entire overclocking genre of PC enthusiasts. The best is no more with EVGA out of the game and now there is less competition, with nothing to deter the new best and second-best from doing things more half-assed than ever before. And, they'll get away with that because of having no point of reckoning in the absence of competition. My expectation is that there will never be a company good enough to step up and fill their empty shoes and we will be left with what we are left with, which leaves a lot to be desired and doesn't fit my definition of being excellent or great... "good" at best, with sucky support and a raunchy experience if you end up getting a defective lemon. -
I have not played it because it is new (expensive) and I generally refuse to spend more than $20-$25 on games, and I am not a fan of open world titles as a general rule. I heard it is like a reskinned version of Fallout and I am also not a fan of Fallout. Generally too slow/boring and cumbersome, kind of like Skyrim and the Witcher titles, which I also personally find very boring. I was merely making note of the observation that everyone seemed goo-goo-gah-gah in love with it initially and now not so much.
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
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Even wrecking a laptop is difficult, but a desktop is harder to hurt. Heat is the biggest source of harm, and it is usually either caused by an inadequate cooling system or using more voltage than the part can handle. Even so, most CPUs and GPUs will throttle to protect themselves. It's memory that tends to misbehave the most because it crashes rather than throttling, or it won't boot with wrong settings and you have to clear the CMOS. It's doesn't harm anything, it is merely an inconvenience. AMD and NVIDIA (especially NVIDIA) have minimal voltage controls available, so that makes it harder to harm the parts, and an Arc GPU has LOTS of voltage control, but if you give it too much it just runs slower, which is also a safety mechanism. Take your time. Learn to use the right tools. Make one or two changes at a time (so you can easily identify what you changed that caused instability) and you'll figure things out pretty quickly. It is extremely unlikely you will break anything by overclocking. You're more likely to screw up Windows than you are the hardware. Watch this video @ryan (not suggesting you do this, merely showing that the hardware is not that fragile) -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
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I am starting this about half way through the video with the link below, but it is a pretty good demonstration of how the Arc A770 beats competitors in the same price range and competes directly with the more expensive RTX 3070 overall for content creation, especially video editing. -
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Make sure you get everything you need for your build, brother. Seeing you build a nice desktop will be a happy thing for all of us. Friends are happiest when their friends are happy. -
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Games have become ludicrous space pigs. A 2TB drive won't hold that many games. It used to be music and movie files that gobbled up drive space, but they use very little space compared to modern games. So, not only is 8GB of VRAM very swiftly becoming unacceptably small and 16GB the new "basic" configuration, but you need gobs of storage if gaming is your gig. That is, unless you are a weirdo that enjoys downloading, deleting, downloading, deleting, downloading, deleting, which is a waste of time and also has potential to degrade NAND storage if you do that excessively. -
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I have had very good results from TeamGroup NVMe and SATA SSDs. They run fast, have a decent warranty and they are nicely priced. I have at least 6 of them ranging from 1TB, 2TB and 4TB. I may have one or two 512GB as well, but I do not remember now since I have moved away from using anything smaller than 1TB capacity. I think they should stop manufacturing SSD drives smaller than 1TB because it is pointless e-waste. In a couple of years I will most likely think the same of 1TB or even 2TB SSDs. 512GB is now only flash drive territory and 1TB is entry level size for system volume capacity. -
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I think you will enjoy building it and appreciate it more after you are done. SFF builds can be a real pain in the butt from what I hear because there is not much wiggle room or space to spare. Don't go too small on the case and it will be easy. You should not need to buy screws separately. The case will have what you need. Generally a PSU will include screws and coolers come with all of the hardware needed for installation. You'll likely have leftover screws when the build is done. Montech is a very good option for an affordable case. The Air 903 is what I would suggest. Great case without costing too much. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=montech+air+903 The only extra thing you might want to buy is a package of nylon zip ties. They come in handy and I usually end up cutting some off and starting over during a build. I do what seems obvious on cable management and then usually change my mind because a better idea hits me later. I joined the party later and missed some drama with earlier drivers and bugs, but I have not experienced any hiccups with Arc A770. It's not my fastest GPU, and I do not expect it to be. But it is the only one I have purchased that I believe to have offered respectable value. I have yet to find anything about it that disappoints me. I suspect that sooner or later something will because nothing is perfect. The 3090 and 4090 are monster GPUs and nothing can touch them in their respective generations, but their price alone disappointed me before I ever opened the box. In both cases I felt ill when checking out online and immediately began second-guessing my intelligence while waiting for them to arrive. They are so expensive that just using them for the first few months of ownership has made me paranoid, LOL. The paranoia eventually wears off, but they are ungodly overpriced. To all of you, my friends... and your families... -
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This video is 5 months old and things are even better now than they were then. But, this guy makes a lot of very good and accurate points. I took a leap of faith buying mine and I am so glad I did. It feels like one of my smartest decisions in a couple of years. -
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Intel ARC A770 Benchmarks - air cooled GPU with nothing special other than overclocked with max fans. The first image for each benchmark showing my history of runs is specifically for Brother @ryan so he can get an accurate perspective of how the A770 stacks up in December 2023 with current drivers against other GPUs since he has some buying decisions to make soon. Beware of YouTube videos, especially older ones since Intel GPU drivers improve monthly, sometimes dramatically. NVIDIA and AMD drivers seldom bring major changes in performance. Fires Strike Extreme | https://hwbot.org/submission/5435580_ | https://www.3dmark.com/fs/31126827 Fire Strike | https://hwbot.org/submission/5435585_ | https://www.3dmark.com/fs/31126805 Wild Life Extreme | https://hwbot.org/submission/5435586_ | https://www.3dmark.com/wl/354380 Wild Life | https://hwbot.org/submission/5435587_ | https://www.3dmark.com/wl/354381 Night Raid | https://hwbot.org/submission/5435590_ | https://www.3dmark.com/nr/1022207 Sky Diver | https://hwbot.org/submission/5435591_ | https://www.3dmark.com/sd/6444891 -
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I don't know if that is accurate. I owned a 3060 Ti and was happy with it, yet the A770 performs better in most things. Again, that video is 5 months old and just about every month Intel releases great drivers that improve performance in the random titles that have room for opportunity. If money is a problem, the A770 is a very doable option, but if you want a good experience in 4K with high settings you're not going to achieve that with an inexpensive GPU. You'll have to dig deep and 4080 is entry-level 4K gaming. AMD doesn't have a good 4K GPU and the only one great at 4K is 4090. If you are going to compromise on price the results will be compromised, and so with the graphics quality settings that allow reduced functionalty. It is indisputable that NVIDIA GPUs produce the best results in each of the respective price/performance ranges, but they also have a steep premium associated with them. Depending on what you intend to do, the added premium might not add any value. Or, conversely, I may be unavoidable and something you just can't live without even if the price is repulsive. If a person is finding a laptop 3060 GPU delivers a gaming experience that is acceptable, then the A770 should be equally or more acceptable because it is a stronger GPU than the 3060.