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Yeah he is! Very nice @Papusan!

$999? Heck $1499.99 I would snatch up a 5090 with missing ROPS ASAP. Anything above that? Nope. $3150 is hilariously funny. I suspect they can't really compete against the 5070 and especially the 9070xt..... B580 is a unicorn in price:performance (assuming you have somewhat decent modern hardware). Nvidia is making money hand over fist and we know anything not AI is cutting into their potential overall profitability but they have to keep AMD and to a much lesser extent Intel honest. They know they can't just abandon the gamer market outright because AI could contract at any given time and they will need that gamer/prosumer market to still be intact and valid. Their $8600+ card is getting all that 5090ti love we will never see. Want the best for the next 2-3yrs? Suck it up and get a 5090. 😞

(Also posted in the X170KM thread) If someone is looking for a sweet 10900k sample (SP106), message @tps3443 here. He's selling his Golden Sample chip here: https://www.overclock.net/threads/10900k-golden-sample-1-of-200.1815617/?post_id=29448362#post-29448362 but you can also reach him here.

If someone is looking for a sweet 10900k sample (SP106), message @tps3443 here. He's selling his Golden Sample chip here: https://www.overclock.net/threads/10900k-golden-sample-1-of-200.1815617/?post_id=29448362#post-29448362 but you can also reach him here.

All it takes is ***ONE*** leak of the XOC vBIOS and we all win! 😁 Unless like I said before the vBIOS is tied directly to the software and individually encoded upping security from last time. We know @tps3443 is gonna end up getting an EK Block at a minimum and adding it into his loop at a minimum. He might even spin up the CHILLAH!!! to really get it going. 🤣 And yeah, the pattern is prison rules are now in effect for 5090 AIBs.... 🤔 Unfortunately this has been going on for quite awhile now. I can't fault the bean counters. It is their job. They just respond to market conditions while topping it off with as many cost cutting measures as they can get away with to continue to pad the bottom line while inching prices upward till they get their hand slapped. I've always been content as long as they at least also offer a few top end enthusiast parts while flooding the market with the other bits. Apex motherboards and Astral cards at least from Asus have some of those properties (along with the Asus tax). ---- And as expected, the 5090 mobile is going to be very underwhelming vs the 4090 mobile because, well, physics. Decent rationale as to why DLSS and FG matter in laptops because you can't slap a 575w part in a 175w envelope. He even touches on the older laptops and how thick and big they were that could handle more power and heat with their dual adapters and such: Review of Razer and MSI: https://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-mobile-gpu-preview

So I scored a Gigabyte 9070xt from BB that was delivered today. With discounts and rewards = $739 after tax. Not doing back flips over this one, but could be much worse. Can't wait to dig in on this one next week and run some tests with WoW in my known testing spots to see how it fairs against the 5080 and 4090 data. ---- I also snagged an Astral 5090 on BB Total price after rewards and discounts = 3403.46. Seriously on the fence about this one, lol. If the 10850k is your best CPU, that has to be the benching rig CPU with hopefully decent (>=3600) DDR4 sticks. I can't see regressing to a 9700F for a benching rig but that's just me. And it starts..... The march to an EK block..... 🤣

Used to do that and there was a massive 2c difference in temps for added noise. I actually removed them (left the bottom fans but they're unplugged) but I might put some 140mm back in as I find the AC 140mm run whisper quiet so why not? Remember before I had the 4090 LC in there. The top and back is so porous that even full tilt, I can stick my hand in the ambient air inside and feel barely any change. Main indicator is memory temps never go over 45c before or after but the 5080 doesn't spit out nearly as much heat as the 5090 FE. If I get an Astral or Suprim 5090 I might change my tune! And visually and dimension wise, the 5080 FE is identical to the 5090 FE. You can't tell the difference until you put them on a scale and/or notice the 5080 badge.

Let's be honest. Even $3k is too much..... but at this point you just knuckle down and get the card you want.... The tariffs are alive and well in the US and may continue to climb. The dollar is weaker right now. Couple those two things and we have the prices we have atm. The last holdout is Nvidia ironically in the US keeping their $999 and $1999 price points. But tariffs aren't the only reason. Component shortages, demand and good ole fashion greed also play into that equation because other areas aren't experiencing such severe price hikes like GPUs in comparison: Motherboard prices are up too but nowhere near on the same scale as GPUs CPU prices have held relatively the same since last year. Funny enough, last year there were predictions of SSD prices going through the roof but they either stayed about the same or went down. Memory prices are also about the same or have fallen in many areas..... Before we go patting Nvidia on the back for holding steady with their pricing, AIBs also have razor thin margins on GPUs thanks to Nvidia's greed so when AIBs are presented with a valid scenario to raise prices, why not raise them as much as possible as many times as possible? "Greed....is good" - Michael Douglas in Wallstreet

Both Astral air and 5 of the 9 LC models are gone already from St Davids. If I had drove up there, the Astral air models would have been gone and my only option would be the TUF or Astral LCs.....I would have left mad. 🤣 Market forces will normalize. Like I said, most in the OC thread are getting their 5090s by now. Some even have multiples. Stock watchers I track are constantly going off for 5080s and 5070s like crazy non-stop. Nvidia knows AMD is competition in that sector. 9070xt stock watchers also go off like crazy. 5090s go off sporadically.

I do not lol..... Front and side pieces removed. Everything is pretty wide open: Since this pic, after giving the wifey's system a complete tear down and cleaning when swapping her to the SP109 14900KS, I did the same for mine and put the back rear cover back on for aesthetics but everything else is wide open to the point the heat the 5080 pumps out doesn't even bother my ram even super tight.

Yeah, those were up before and on Newegg. Pass. Hehe, but of course.... ----- St Davids has been open for almost two hours and they have 3 Asus 5090 models in stock still. These will probably sell by end of day, but the first month+, they never even made it to in stock status selling out immediately. Like I said, levels are slowly going to start normalizing sooner than later. The heavy hitters are going to start fizzling out sooner than later and most aren't going to pay these prices. Pre-builts in stock in abundance on Newegg and Best Buy..... Crapton of over inflated Astrals and other cards languishing on eBay and/or readily available sub $5k now. 5090 Founders sub $4k and falling..... End of April/Beginning of may prediction is coming on strong. I loved my 4090 Liquid, but swapping it for testing into other systems was such a PITA plus I run my rig totally open now so the benefits of direct exhaust are negated. FE = Price + aesthetics Suprim = MSI and past love Astral = Top dog monitoring and matches my Hero along with aesthetics I find myself gluttonously leaning towards the Astral now.....MC is over an hour away, so it would be a race to get there before either of the two Astral air cooled models sold out. That's the only one that tickles my fancy (along with an FE or Suprim).

Too many variables at play doing that. I like testing from one source on a similar platform testing a compound against many others but this is better than nothing. 🙂

Did they test Duronaut against anything else except those three? I'd like to see it up against KPx or Kryonaut Extreme at least.

MSI *barely* included the screws only including *4* screws for 8 positions...... But yeah.

XFX out here trying to out Asus at their own game charging $940 for their top end 9070xt on best buy. Best Buy is only carrying Gigabyte and XFX 9070xt's

EVGA 3090ti is built like a brick house. When I bought (and returned) one from Amazon, my takeaway was "Best heatsink ever for 3000 series", "$2k for this tiny bit of uplift?" and "This thing is a portable furnace" I wouldn't mind picking one up used and inexpensive too just to have. It is still a solid card but whew is it thicc (in the best way)!

I never cared for Zotrash, but if they're pushing their prices up, that is the nail in the coffin removing even the, "well, at least they're priced better than other brands" category.

Yeah, I never signed up for the bi-weekly updates. I JUST saw that this last time when signing up for 9070xt alerts lol. VPA makes the most sense as does any type of que system. Just get in line and wait your turn. That's what I loved about EVGA. This is my first time ever signing up with B&H. In the past, I usually let the universe sort it out for myself and it has always worked out within 3-4 months of launch if not sooner. And yeah, the 5080FE is bringing all the heat I need actually in most instances, but there are a few spots in WoW like the Theatre event, outdoor raid bosses and Dornogal that I can hit 99% GPU utilization and FPS will be as low as the mid 60's. With this uber tuned 9800X3D, the 5080 hit a wall with very sub 100fps. 66fps on it means ~72-75fps on a 4090 in the same spot = ~95-105fps on a 5090 (in theory assuming the 9800X3D can cap out a 5090 in those same spots). This is 4k Ultra settings RT max. In the end, it's a leisurely entitled itch I wouldn't mind scratching but am ok if I don't too. Very nice! I gotta track down one at a decent price. The $800+ models pop up all the time but that's a hard pass. w00t!!! Patience and holding the line wins!

Which models did you sign up for? I only signed up for those two and skipped all the other ones. I've already turned down three MSRP 5090s already because they weren't the models I wanted and price. $2650 for a Ventus? $3k for a Tuf? A Zotrash for $2600? No thank you. Only models I'd buy are the FE (MSRP), Suprim (All hail MSI) and Astral (Go big or go home). I might pick up the Gigabyte if it pops because it's kinda/sorta on the sub $2500 side of the equation now at $2399.99 but even then I can't say that I would. Let me put it this way. Right now, I want a 9070xt MSRP much more than I want a 5090 MSRP (hence why I was signing up on the waiting list on B&H earlier). I very much want to do some WoW benchmarking with it and see if I could replace my 5080 and have an all AMD rig. Retailers have zero reason or motivation to do that. They want to move as much product as possible as expensive as possible unfortunately. 😞 Scalping is a lucrative business. What makes it even harder are individuals who luck up and get a card and then turn right around and scalp it and figure they'll get one when markets normalize. I'm not even mad at the individuals. Making a quick $1k-$3k profit makes sense when you could actually use the $$$ but I completely understand those who want one to use getting irked. When all is said and done, the market always works itself out. Time equalizes supply and demand. It always has. The scalping prices are already slowly coming down. Pre-builts are showing up and staying in stock longer than 5 seconds now (There's a few on MC page that didn't sell today at all). The Skytech 5090 pre-builts lasted all day on BB a few days ago before finally selling. People on the OC thread are slowly, but surely, getting their 5090s with some getting multiples even to bin. When stupid higher end bundles show up on newegg, they actually last awhile now instead of being instantly sold out. These are all signs everything is ever so slowly normalizing. We're less than 2 months into the 5090 launch and things are exactly where I thought they would be. Maybe a touch ahead of the curve actually.

Nope, not yet. I just found it funny I had signed up on launch day but totally forgot lol. I was organizing my email and B&H emails after I signed up for some MSRP 9070xt's and an MSRP Prime 5070 (I love the look of the Asus Prime Cards) and when I went to sort them I said, "Hey, what are these two extra emails from them?" LOL

While clearing out and organizing emails I forgot I signed up for B&H notifications/waitlist on launch day for the Astral 5090 at $2799 (now $3359) and the $1999 (now $2399) Gigabyte 5090, so I have those floating out there waiting to pop.... MSI wasn't available launch day, so I had never signed up for the Suprim or Suprim liquid lol.

See if the 2200 can handle a 90 min TM5 and an hour of Karhu at least. Worst case, fun benches. Best case, stable D2D at 2200! Agreed, 9000 series runs cooler and better than 7000. I had a 9950x3d ready for checkout on BB, but just couldn't justify it but 9800X3D vs my old 7800X3D it is much better across the board in every aspect. I can just imagine how much better the 9950X3D would be vs my old 7950X3D and the 7950X3D was known for running cooler and better than the 7950X. When you lop off its head, results are gonna be quite nice! Looking forward to some memory/cpu comparison data of the 7950X vs your 9950X3D.

As time is passing, ditto. Like I said, I'm lacking that normal razzle dazzle I have when new GPUs drop. I am noticing pre-builts w/5090's are now staying in stock usually for hours if not all day. That's another sign of demand shrinking but more importantly, yanking the GPU to sell on its own is no longer outright profitable in lieu of the entire system cost. Skytech's 5090 pre-built was available on BB for the last few days w/ 285k + 5090 for $4899.99 which isn't super terrible either pricing wise compared to others.

But all is well that ends well , good energy and you were rewarded with MSRP and a 5090 FE bro. 🙂 .....once you swap out that power cable and coolant color, your system is gonna be 100% righteous! 🤣

MSRP or BUST!!!!!