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Agreed. There is a widely held misnomer that tuning isn't really required with X3D and that is a fallacy especially when the cache is exhausted/saturated. World of Warcraft has been shown to really benefit from tight timings vs bandwidth over and over when things are said and done. Of course if you can have both then why not? 🙂 *Sigh* hopefully the chips act and the fact Intel can't sell their foundries along with the removal of Pat along with 18a in the wind will get them back on track. @Talon How has the 4090 testing been going with the 9800X3D vs 14900KS vs 285k?

You hear me talk about X3D and stuttering/chunk when playing that I do not experience on Intel. This is an example here in Ardenweald and this is on the 9800X3D from Jansn Benchmarks. Watch closely for it. This is a mild version out in open areas with minimal player data and higher GPU utilization. It happens more with RT on and especially at 4k. Side note: on a 7900XTX with RT on, the stuttering is just brutal yet it plays so much smoother with it off. PvP/Raids with X3D is just brutal...BRUTAL when that cache gives up the ghost but I have to say it doesn't look as bad as the 7800X3D/7950X3D but it is still there. It comes down to when does the massive amount of player data micro stutters end and the X3D chunk begins.... Remember, this is at 1440p not even 4k on the 9800X3D. Still want to try it myself as I don't know about his memory settings. 9800X3D is on its way back to newegg for an exchange (hopefully).

Agreed. I think I commented on the BIOS level basic RGB lighting controls with the mATX RS B650 variants and how nice it was. You can always install their software for more advanced functionality, but for me the basic functionality is perfect and keeps the RGB bloatware off the system (I'm looking at you Asus and Razer). So are you going to stick with the Carbon and hope for a firmware fix or give Asus a whirl?

That's a shame considering how great their 1DPC boards have been of late across both AMD and Intel in ITX and mATX form factors. I know my z390 Taichi was a hot mess but that was so long ago and they had really seemed to turn the corner with their recent offerings. You could try another or stick with the Carbon. Like I said before, I had nothing but fantastic results with my x670e Carbon and MSI is my first choice by default now in general. I may end up returning to the fold, who knows? 🙂 I'm hoping MSI launches some really nice 5090s again this time as I will most likely target a Founders and MSI again but let's see the lineup first. I watched it around 4am and wow.....I am a huge proponent of caveat emptor and doing your due diligence, but that is shady at its best and the large investment from a known anti-consumer bent on profits and propping up valuation to resell their stake is telling (IE Corsair).

Trying to figure out what's going on here but I'm leaning towards this 9800X3D being problematic: A-die = G.skill 2x32GB kit F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5RK - I used these for over a year in my MSI x670e Carbon with the 7600x, 7800x3d and 7950x3d with numerous BIOS revisions and no problems along with testing in several motherboards. M-die = Hynix Green generic Gen 1 2x16GB greenies good for up to ~6600 Scenarios: -------------------------------------------------------------- Asus B650 Prime w/ 7600x and M-die no problem. Ran for months tuned 6000 and tested up to 6400 Updated BIOS to support 9800X3D 9800X3D only ran up to 5400 same M-die setup. Anything higher and it sometimes wouldn't post and when it did post it was sporadic in nature. Anything past ~5200 failed TM5 even with lose timings at 1.35v->1.45v Swapped back in 7600x no problems running like before after some adjustments with m-die 6000 Swapped back in 9800x used new adjustments same problems 7600x on older bios could do 2200 w/ GPU installed 9800X3D couldn't go past 2000 A-die flat out wouldn't post but the B650 has no error codes. Swap back in 7600x one more time and test with M and A, no problem. --- Ordered this x670e Hero Setup with 7600x for flashing with A-die at just jedec for 9800X3D support 7600x SP=115 Bios flashed fine and 7600x and A-die worked fine at jedec Swap in 9800X3D = Code 15. Each boot is red light or yellow light or sometimes both Swap in M-die sticks now it boots Swapped back in A-die no post Reflash BIOS now get right SP for 9800X3D = SP113...meh Same problems Swap back in 7600x and it works with both M-die and A-die Set old timings on the M-die to test and it works fine. Did some testing at 2133/6400 for fun Swap the 9800X3D back in and fclk again stuck at 2000 no matter what I do and same problems at 5400+ on M-die and yet again A-die won't post with error code 15. --- So that's two Asus boards with the newest BIOS and this 9800X3D that are proving to be problematic with the A-die while the 7600x just shrugs its shoulders and keeps it moving with either set. Think I'm going to return the 9800X3D as a defective chip and get a swap from Newegg or they will refund me because they will have no stock. I can't think of anything else since the 7600x works fine, both sets of memory work fine with it across what I realize now is 5-6 boards. A-die worked fine with 7600x, 7800X3D, 7950X3D tested across a couple of Asrocks 1DPC, X670e carbon x 2 and two Asus boards. The common "fail" point in the end is this 9800X3D chip. It is a no go at all with the A-die and is severely limited even with the M-die. I just generated a return label for Newegg to send it back on Monday. I sense they're going to be out of stock of 9800X3D chips unfortunately. Hopefully they're not and can send me another one.

Crosshair setup for flashing and 7600x testing / recert before slapping in the 9800X3D..... 7600x = SP115. Not a bad Vid at all.... this is the one that could hit 2200. I'll be selling it once I'm secure in the 9800X3D (or keep it has a backup for any/all future baseline testing/flashing).

From your use case, I can see how that would involve extra work. For my use case, I am meticulous as I am resealing for personal use so I take everything to the next level and the CPU is naturally tested over a protracted period of time so when I resell, it is just a lift out, wipe down, package and on its way. I've pried apart some truly nasty liquid metal jobs on CPUs, GPUs and laptops and it's pretty horrendous. I am sure blocking GPUs then having to revert back to their original state can be time consuming, but the absence of liquid metal in the equation has to help. Work is just part of being a competent reseller of your equipment because you wouldn't want that karma/ bad joojoo hit for not properly taking care of your gear and/or making sure to present it in the best light to the next buyer. I break down everything in exacting order and clean everything as much to factory spec as possible and box it up to look as much as new as possible so the buyer will be happy and I'm happy because I couldn't let it go out the door looking like PigPen from Charlie Brown was the last to use it. 🙂

What doesn't rip harder on DD especially with a little chiller action? 🤣 But I agree with you about delidding CPUs unless needed and it is rarely needed for myself since laptop DTRs have pretty much went bye bye. I always found selling properly delidded and properly sealed relidded CPUs easier to sell and at a slightly higher value than stock off the shelf ones.

Sold off some more memory and storage I had along with my 4090 so the "fall sales event" is definitely in its last gasps. 🙂 Asus X670E Crosshair Hero was delivered a day early so I'll dig into that later. All I know is that box is CRAZY heavy. If the 9800X3D works out like I want I will end up shifting the SP109 14900KS to the wife's system either as is intact with the Z790i Lightning and TG 8200 sticks and sell off her Z690 D4 + 4000 CL15 Bdie sticks + 12900k or I will just install the 14900KS into her system and sell off the Lightning and her existing 12900K chip and keep the TG sticks to dabble with on the x670e. If I find my Intel setup is still better overall for WoW (definitely not Fallout 76 as even the 7800X3D smoked my 13900KS badly), I'll just return the x670e and sell off the 9800X3D which won't be a problem. After that? Shut down my eBay store from January to October again. 🙂 Either way, I'll need to pick up an Xmas holdover card till the 5090. Maybe see if I can find a used 4070 Super or something.

My humblest apologies my Liege.... 🤣

Epilogue to the 4090 as it winds down and the 5090 is on the horizon vs the 3090ti with newer games: I hope we get at a minimum similar gains with the 5090 if not more.

In all honesty, if an x670e taichi open box or if Newegg had offered an x870e taichi discounted combo deal with the 9800X3D, I would have went that direction. My total plan was to test the 9800X3D + 2x32GB A-die on that Asus B650 holdover board, but it was such a disaster after BIOS update and the x670e Hero was such a good price opened box, I went with that. When all is said and done, I may still return the x670e Hero and pick up the x870e Taichi. It's really what I'm going to want down the road if I lock into the 9000X3D as my desktop main. I say this absolutely loving and having no problems with my x670e Carbon but I know @Raiderman had problems with his. If you're being limited, send it back ASAP and try the Taichi. I'll at least get your high level opinion of it and what you think before I potentially bite the bullet in a few months on one. That's a win win. And if it isn't doing it for you, sent it back and try Asus.... Whoa, that sounds amazing! Looking forward to some pics and write ups. Damn....swinging in the big league!! Seriously can't wait to see the build log and benches on this.

Whew, pressing it nicely! 285k and 9950x are turning out some decent scores! I never tried to set different ratios between ccds on my 7950x3d on my x670e Carbon so I can not confirm or deny there. See what @Raiderman or @jaybee83 get doing the same since they have a Carbon and Hero respectively.

Silicon variance is definitely in play in regards to pull and overclocking. In the end, it is still a CPU. SP111 = meh SP115+ = golden land If you decapitate them and go DD, things tighten up real quick. I'd trade SP for a 2200+ fclk all day though.

Awesome score! True story, I ran this before on my 7950X3D and was bummed over the low score but looking back at my screen shots I now realize I was running it at 1080p. I totally missed the 720p low setting!!! ---- Meanwhile in my neck of the woods.... Asus B650 Plus rock solid 6000 and 6200 on older M-die sticks with the 7600x and older BIOS but needed to flash to newer BIOS for 9800X3D support. New BIOS can not be downgraded. Fine, need 9800X3D support. Initial tests at 4800 with 9800X3D pass everything as expected. Time to use my old profiles for some testing. 9800X3D...only runs up to ~5400 on memory. Anything after that is flaky and sometimes will boot and other times not. Same settings. Figure it may be a weak chip, swap back in 7600x now even it won't run at its old settings and fails at ~5400. Exact same settings. 7600x before could do 2200 fclk for testing. Now it can't do anything past 2000. Same for 9800X3D. I've been fighting with it all weekend. Leave everything stock, fine. As soon as I press pass ~5400, non boots and crashes or if I make it to the desktop TM5 bombs out within minutes if not seconds. This is between two cpus, three sets of memory. Finger kept hovering over the Newegg Combo deal for a Hero + 9800X3D for $60 off and a free Corsair memory kit 2x16GB 6400 but then sanity kicked in and that would be another $1200. Time to search deals for something competent...and cheap. I still can not stomach paying more than $350 for a motherboard. I'll accept it sooner than later. Finally gave up the ghost and lucked up and found an open box ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Hero for $299.99 on Amazon Warehouse/Reseller (whatever they're calling themselves these days). They had 1 only so I snagged it. Hopefully it won't be a miss. Bonus, I guess I get to now fret over SP ratings again along with everything else. 🤣

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9800X3D arrived early from da Egg Ontario. Busy weekend so I'll see if I can find some playtime. 🙂

Excellent work @Mr. Fox! I'm so glad you're having a much better time than the 5950x debacle. I found the 7800X3D and 7950X3D on the MSI x670e Carbon to be a much better experience than the 5800x on the MSI x570e Tomahawk in every way. Can't wait to see the memory properly cooled and where it takes you along with the 9950x on DD water....good times incoming! Nice! I really enjoyed my 10900k binning days. A solid year of snagging CPUs and testing them on desktop and laptop use. In hindsight, I think I ended up binning ~15 10900k's over that time and the LTX and SL samples were the cream of the crop followed by ironically an SP63 that was a beast too. My first lesson that SP is not everything but valid as the SL SP101 whomped an SP110 and an SP113 10900k I tested for X170SM usage. I was tempted to pick another one up, but I would be re-inventing the wheel so now I'll sit back and watch you and @win32asmguy post results to enjoy. Looking forward to the build out and pics!

Whew, thanks for the heads up! I'll stick to Steam. It has pretty much been rock solid the last few years overall.

I just noticed Fallout 76 is now on Xbox Gamepass. I signed up for a year on Steam for $100 = ~8.50/mo but you can transfer over your character and items to Gamepass now from Steam (not achievements). If they add World of Warcraft (they already have Diablo IV now), I'd switch in a heartbeat and save ~$6/mo AND have access to the rest of their library.

That's a serious haul of hardware! Keanu Approved!

9800X3D back in stock at newegg. Singles already sold out but combos still available as of 4:50PM 11/18/2024 I managed to snag a single to test/play on my already pre-existing AM5 rig as the "How will WoW do and will it have chunk/cache/dip issues like the 7800X3D/7950X3D" question/itch just won't go away. I'm so used to WoW now on the 14900KS and near zero chunking (nothing you can do when zoning into populated areas/towns and all that player data) that if it is still there, it will stick out like a sore thumb. Plan on doing several tests with the first gen M-die 2x16GB and then current A-die 2x32GB both tuned along with tuning up the 9800X3D and testing the IMC / PBOvStatic and all that fun stuff. EDIT: 7:39pm they're all gone including all the combos with what I consider garbage boards and AIOs.

When I had my Z590 boards and X170SM/X170KM, binning 10900k's was a pure joy including the LTX sample I had. Best easily was still that Silicon Lottery used chip I picked up off of eBay. That thing was a cool running monster in the laptops and did 5.4 on the desktop rock solid with an AIO. Asrock continues to grow and impress.... Agreed. They seem to be leaving the sad days of the Taichi Z3XX days behind. They were atrocious. All my recent dealing with their motherboards and video cards are have been solid. I'm still tempted to pick up an Asrock 7900XTX Taichi. 9950x looking good! What's the ETA on the delid?

After the death of EVGA, MSI moved into my top slot and surprisingly Asrock is climbing quickly too. The MSI 1300w 12vhpwr PSU is crazy quiet. Then again, my EVGA 1600w P2 is crazy quiet and holding it down too. Congrats! Life is about to get crazy hectic in the best way.

(While visions of 5090's and Taichi x870e equipped 9950X3Ds float through my head)