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If you're looking for 285k's, Central Computers has combos with discounts they will ship right to you If you want just the CPU, Antonline has them for $699 (marked up by $80) Also on Amazon from Ant and Spicy Bomb for $699. Definitely not worth ANY type of mark up (if at all), but you can see levels starting to catch up in pockets.

Agreed, if it is a simple bios selection that is fine. If it goes the way of a "special" Bios only available to some and I have to track it down that is irritating but I'll manage. If it turns out to be a temperature detect feature enabled only, I will be pissed off.

Very true! For my desktop, power draw is of zero concern, but for gaming laptops it does come into play. All I want is a DTR with a proper desktop AM5 platform. But you have to respect the PPW of AMD and especially Apple M4 with insane PPW. Just bonkers good stuff. Seeing as how the M4 Max is equal or better than M2 Ultra in so many benchmarks and tests, the M4 Ultra is going to be an absolute monster. Most likely to prevent any type of degradation but still a slap in the face of those who know how to use it responsibly.

Another tuned vs tuned matchup 9800X3D vs 14900KS:

Glad you got it sorted Bro! Expo is definitely not as robust/mature as XMP and we all know even XMP has its issues. Best bet has always been manual tuning for AMD. It just works better. I slowly dial things in over the course of a week or so and lock it down. My 7600X could do 2133/2200 so I could go 6400/6600 properly but no such luck on the 7950X3D. I am so hoping AMD drops a dual X3D 9950X3D. To me, that's end game and then some. lol, that wallet pain. Time for a time out for cool down while you get it ready for those first day/week 5090 runs for us! 🤣

14900KS vs 9800X3D deep dive: Still has cache saturation issues (not much you can do about that). Dip has decreased in pockets. Depending on game, 14900KS wins or 9800X3D wins. No universal winner as expected. Final analysis: Still has some 7800X3D problems and max tune vs max tune, monolithic 14900KS is the better GAMING CPU overall as once you're outside of that cache for whatever reasons, Intel is still king. So what do you want? Basically, figure out what are your go to games and/or games that use a dynamic/JIT/Realtime texture loading mechanism favor Intel. Doesn't bode well for WoW and those dips/chunk on 7950X3D/7800X3D vs 14900KS. That has always been an issue for WoW and AMD. I prefer to have smoother gameplay at all times. As I noted before, dragonflight moves so quick with so many assets streaming that it along with raids just make AMD chunk/dip very badly. It basically doesn't exist for tuned Intel. I'm sure Fallout 76 would go from a greased pig to a greased pig on steroids with the 9800X3D. 🙂

Intel is really in a precarious position right now and once mindshare and perception shifts fully to AMD, they could find themselves no longer the standard bearer for x86. Nevermind ARM gaining market share at an alarming rate and we have Nvidia coming on next with CPUs..... The fact @Mr. Fox and @Talon have finally taken the plunge to run systems in tandem and like what they see so far is very telling in and unto itself. Personally, I love dipping in and out of AMD, Intel and Nvidia hardware since 2005 with X2 and FX from AMD and going back and forth with ATI and Nvidia then AMD and Nvidia. I just love hardware!

But of course bro! 👊

They are the G.Skill F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5RK 2x32GB A-die sticks I picked up over a year ago. I held onto them for my future build (most likely x870e Taichi and 9800X3D or 9950X3D). I never used any of the built in timings. I just did them manually like I usually do. I don't have my timings on hand as the x670e Carbon and 7950X3D were sold (Ihave a lowly 7600x + Prime B650e on the secondary rig right now with 2x16GB 6000 M-die), but I think I posted them in this thread somewhere when I was helping out @Raiderman with his x670e Carbon. They had no problems running 6000, 6200 or 6400 even but 6000 tightened up much better overall. 7800X3D and 7950X3D both capped out at 2133 for 1:1. My 7600x can do 2200 so I should retest them in there. Everything was tested at 1:1. Edit: I went back and checked my attachments here and found a posting from July 2023 with some of my timings attached from these sticks on my 7800X3D before switching to the 7950X3D in December 2023: Now we're talking! 👊

I'd like to officially welcome @Mr. Fox and @Talon to not only Team Red, but also more important the even rarer Team Purple for those of us who own, test, compare and enjoy both AMD and Intel at the same time. We meet every Wednesday at the local Dennys. 🤣 (You also have a bit more insight as to why my RGB color scheme is routinely purple FYI)

Yeah, when it hits, it hits. Like I said before, something like Fallout 76 where it all fits in the cache is scary faster than Intel. Tuned across both, and especially with APO and 8200+ tuned, you see Intel inch ahead in WoW. I really want to test 285k, but that platform cost shut me down for now. I found Hogwarts was a ripper on X3D too. Can't wait to see the 4090 results with it. I'm curious about BF2042 because it uses so many threads. If the 9950X3D comes with dual X3D, I suspect it may take the lead but that's a big if. If it is still the single X3D design, I'm gonna be a little disappointed. 🙂 I would LOVE to see Intel embrace extra cache. Let's call it Intel Burst Cache (IBC).... 🤣 Absolutely true. For those of us who are going to manually tune, degradation isn't as much of a problem but as we found in the OC forums, people were still pushing too hard within their own control limits and still degraded their chips. Problematic for Intel out of the box and went on for so long and required multiple fixes which means even they couldn't figure it out during the first two mc updates.

It's scary when you opt to run both platforms and realize the FUD on 13th/14th gen along with AMD. That's why I love that initial OOB experience of furnaces and/or piss poor performance then slowly tune and dial it in, set multiple profiles and everything is running smooth as silk with much better performance and good pull/temps. I saw where AMD is guaranteeing Zen 6 while Intel has been quiet on 1851. So compared to your tuned 14900ks, how do you feel about the 9800X3D vs it head to head for gaming so far? I'm (trying) to resist the pull till 9950X3D and snag one of those and a Taichi X870e. I do know tuned, the 14900KS 5.9 all core w/ APO + 8400 2x24GB definitely was the winner overall vs my tuned 7950X3D + 6000 2x32GB tuned for WoW. With how the 7950X3D/7800X3D was a monster with Fallout 76 even vs the 14900KS rig, I am sure the 9000X3D would be a ripper.

AMD has higher latency overall than Intel on average but do you have a Zen Timings and Aida screen shot? I ran 2x32GB but at 6000 CL28 and tightened up and was in the low 60's IIRC.

Good shoot out for memory on 9000 series but the fact remains outside of some outliers, I called this many moons ago about 8000+ being near useless vs 6000-6400 (fclk 2000->2133, 2200 if golden) overall but still fun. 8400 is what you should shoot for to get that perfect ratio if going 2:1.

Welcome to the wonderful world of "game stable" vs "true stable" for memory. If it can pass a 90 min TM5, WMD and MemTest86, it is more than enough stable for my uses. I don't need to smash my memory up against the rocks. Same goes for my CPU too. I was never one of those who basically jettisoned my CPU into the sun for hours on end to prove a point or satisfy forum members. "Nah bro, go ahead and wreck your CPU. I'll be over here using mine for what I need." As for 10 vs 11, the only truth to emerge is 24H2 is better vs 11 but 10 still remains the goat and is quickly heading towards 7 goat status. 10 has such high market share because there is no compelling reason to move to 11 except M$ wants you to as they continue to slam services, ads and other garbage down your throat. It's either that or eventually for consumers they will move to a subscription model for OSes but they know consumers would balk too much at that......for now. I actually have the Asrock x870e Taichi saved on Amazon and Newegg. It is definitely my next pick. I'm just waiting for a nice, cheap open box to pop up which may take awhile. Asrock seems really committed to changing their image and place in the enthusiast market. AMD cards are monsters especially the Taichi line and the Lightning Z790i is very impressive. The Taichi looks to be a beast.

Nice! This will be a good ole fashion shoot out incoming 285 vs 14900ks vs 9800X3D. 🙂 @Talon still living vicariously through your early hardware pickups as always. 🤣

Looks to be an absolute gem of a CPU! Outside of strong multicore performance, it is the perfect gaming/home/work CPU. I know when I owned a 7800X3D, I was more than satisfied with it. No scheduler issues and firing almost all cylinders right out of the box. It didn't experience as much uplift from tuning as the 12th-14th, but there were definitely gains to be had properly tuning your curve and memory for sure. As usual, De8auer had one of the best reviews for us OCers and I was impressed. I'm just hoping the 9950X3D has it on both CCDs.

My take exactly.... Luckily we didn't get screwed over with a 4090ti because Nvidia can't make enough full fat cores to keep AI customers happy. Hopefully the same will ring true with the 5090.

I still do this. One of the reasons I seek good bins it finding that optimal performance:power ratio which on my setup results in easier cooling. (See: SP109 14900KS, SP113 13900KS, SP91 12900K, SP94 11900K, SP101 10900K lol). SP109 14900KS sitting on my AC LF II 420MM and never even breaking into the 70s for gaming in WoW at 5.9 all core. I hear the GPU fans more than the AIO..... Jufus's take on stock versus max OC on Core Ultra:

This might also add to the reason next gen laptops with 5000 series GPUs are rumored to use current/last gen chips along with cost. Uh oh! Welcome to AM5 we have fun and games..... 🙂 Like I said, I'm holding onto my other AM5 rig to specifically test/play with the X3D chips. I think the 9950X might pleasantly surprise you. Touche!

Nice! I will say Provantage was very easy to cancel with and I had not one but TWO CSRs reach out to me to cancel my order. I'm definitely keeping an eye on it and seeing all you can extract from it bro! So far, how would you say it compares to your 13th/14th gen setup?

Both tuned, gaming wise 14900k still leads overall vs 285k: https://quasarzone.com/bbs/qf_cmr/views/2566736 but it's fairly close overall. Or close enough and comes down to a game by game comparison. Like I said, 285k can only get better from here while we're seeing the 14th gen at its best. I do recognize and appreciate all the other architectural gains starting with power consumption overall and lower clocks still providing competitive performance. This sets a great baseline for future enhancements from Intel. It smells of P4 vs P3 all over again where those first gen P4 chips were fighting hard to compete with the last gen but eventually stretched their legs for many reasons and at the end clearly outclassed P3. As for Windows, I do not know if they will need to figure out a way to redesign the scheduler from the ground up for Windows 12 (shudder), but it clearly still leans towards homogenized monolithic designs and asking it to figure out how to prioritize continues to plague it for performance outside of full tilt multicore loads. Yeah....I don't use Asus turbo anything...ever. Regardless of the board maker, everything eventually ends up manually tuned from fans to CPU to memory.

I'd be somewhat excited if they were talking about a super efficient variant for specific laptops but everything else? Nah.... I was hoping with 285k and it running a least more efficient along with the 7800/9800 X3D variants we would see the return of proper DTRs or at least one model but the NH55 really does seem to be the end of the road for desktop CPU support. 😞 As I was adding up the pricing of the 285k, a decent motherboard and CU Dimms, I was quickly over $1300 and climbing. I just went, "whoa whoa whoa...." Toss in a 5090 and suddenly I'm looking at $3k+ and most likely 3.5k+. Plus I still have my complete other AM5 system I'm holding onto besides having sold my Powercolor 7900XTX. Since my daughter abandoned it (lol), I'm going to rebrand it into an anime themed chassis and that leaves open the chance to slap in a 9800X3D or 9950X3D to play around with in the future. Right now, it is rocking a 7600x. If my daughter suddenly gets the urge to play something else, I can always swap in another GPU as needed. I just want to keep at least one AM5 platform in the house going "just in case" Unless someone offers a decent price, I'm going to ride my 4090 up to and through the first part of getting a 5090 and eliminating bad samples/coil whine units till i get something decent. 2+ yrs of solid service from the 4090 can't be beat. Then it has to provide a real, tangible upgrade in 4k from the 4090 calculating in not much uplift from CPUs (9000 X3D testing of course needed). From there, I might slap it in my wife's system to upgrade her 3080 10gb which would be pretty monstrous. Or when all is said and done, I might ride it to the 6090! 🤣

I went ahead and cancelled my 285k order. Sanity prevailed and I'm going to return to my "wait and see" approach to see how it pans out over the next few months. With the 9950X3D slated early next year, we should see whatever refinements / the OC community can tune up by then for comparison. Plus...you know....5090 Wallet Slayer Editions will be hitting the market most likely in Q1 too. Have to have a sufficient buffer to properly be able to yay or nay that Balance Destroyer.

Both the 9800X3D and 9950X3D are interesting because they're putting the 3DVcache underneath the CCDs vs on top which was a limiting factor before due to their sensitivity and location. This also hindered the CCDs from a good old proper OC. Couple this with *if* both CCDs are getting the 3DVcache on the 9950X3D (still rumored last I checked) along with even better CCD to CCD sync (aka no AMD dip), the 9950X3D could be the monster to beat in every aspect. I'm waiting to see how the CCDs are binned vs the 9950X where you have a good one and a slightly subpar one. I'm really hoping it delivers especially with that "chunk" you get when the cache gets full as it has really shown up in WoW especially with skyriding vs Intel. Every location where I would get that chunk especially in raids is gone now or vastly reduced to the point of being a Blizzard issue. Spending a week or so going back and forth for hours on end playing (or the tragedy!) and logging every time it happened, it was very noticeable. The kicker was playing on the non X3D CCD only for hours. Less performance definitely but that chunk was basically gone too. That was something I hadn't tested before but since I was on a 7950X3D, I had the ability to do that. That moved it from "AMD Dip issue" to "Cache saturation issue" in my book. Also toss In the fact with WoW, it is hard to differentiate between Blizzard engine induced microstutters because of high frame rates and/or high player/asset areas and Config issues.