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Yeah, the one thing your card is saying to me is, "please put me in an SFF!" Seriously, it with a 9800X3D in a proper case? Like a top mounted variant that exhausts from the top? Magic SFF build bro.... In all seriousness, If I had your 5090 FE instead of an Astral, I would build out a top exhaust SFF and probably jettison my MSI 18 and use the SFF w/ 9800X3D for travel with my 18" 144hz USB-C powered display. Then you can come at it like B4BG: Push for that max OC inefficiency be damned or UV and let your chips silicon quality shine through.....

I agree when it comes to WoW and especially FO76 where Nvidia rules the roost. 3080 10gb has just been an absolute workhorse beast. It is quickly headed to the 1080ti goated status at its original MSRP. Some games shine better on AMD than Nvidia. WoW loves Nvidia and always has since the major engine overhaul several years ago when they added in RT support. From that point on, the smart play has always been to get Nvidia for WoW. One thing I will give the 9070xt and I can't put my finger on it yet is its smooth, even play at lower fps vs the 5080 or even 5090 in WoW. Spots where I felt like the 5080 chunked a bit the 9070xt just keeps it moving even in raids or outdoor events. In Testing Games comparison of the 9070xt vs anything, its FT graphs are always much smoother than I've ever seen from AMD cards. I played quite a bit of Fallout 76 earlier (found a new testing spot), and even when fps drops to the low 60s on the 9070xt, it was just so smooth. Having logged hundreds of hours on Nvidia cards on both WoW and FO76 for a few years including the 5080 FE and 5090 since January, the consistency and smoothness of the 9070xt really stands out at the same settings at lower frame rates than Nvidia and it is perplexing. ----------------------------------------- Decent video..... Jufus basically saying leave the 5090 FE as is also hitting all the same salient points I made about itx heaven, runs hot not really made/worth blocking...yet I very much want to see it blocked and shunted.... "The best overall 5090 for 90% of people is the 5090 FE" - makes total sense. Sad to see Canada also is paying some insane prices for 5090's too along with low to no stock levels but price conversion wise, USA is just getting raked across the coals right now compared to former countries we routinely had lower prices for years. 😞 And like he said, 600w will have you having SWAS (Sweaty *ss) in a small computer room sooner than later..... 🤣

"Profits above people" extend to all facets of corporate America. The most egregious of them all is the healthcare industry as profitability is grossly incongruent with offering optimal, financially sane care for American citizens.

Running some tests comparing the wife's 3080 10gb Strix vs the 9070xt in WoW. She plays at 1440p, but I tested both at 1440p and 4k. I'm thinking of cancelling the 5070 and giving her the 9070xt instead. Problem is in WoW I think the $549.99 5070 will plant itself much closer to the $729.99 9070xt than the 3080 in WoW. I'm also not sure the uplift is worth the disruption at this point. This is at full Ultra 10 w/ RT at max 1440p: Hallowfall: --------------------------- 3080 - 105fps 9070xt - 142fps -------------------------- Oribos: -------------------------- 3080 - 116fps 9070xt - 150fps -------------------------- 4k: Hallowfall: --------------------------- 3080 - 70fps 9070xt - 93fps --------------------------- Oribos: --------------------------- 3080 - 66fps 9070xt - 101fps 5080FE - 115fps 5090 - 186fps ---------------------------

Too many small limitations on the FE this time around. I know I dig in on ya for fun (light hearted ribbing), but the FE will not be setting the world on fire this iteration. It's strengths lie elsewhere (aesthetics, engineering, compact size, price). You notice the Gigabyte vBIOS coupled with the Astral too. Like @johnksss said and to further I keep pressing is a 5090 FE is still a 5090 and a monster card out of the box that will lay waste to everything out there and blocked and 1 stage shunted you will extract every bit of performance out of it to let it flex as hard as it can but even in a game of inches it will still fall short due to several factors compared to the top dogs. It's not a knock on it at all and I hope you're not taking it personally bro. 🙂 And you are spot on with your rig limitations. It's fun and nostalgic and has its pros and country charm but it just can't keep up with modern hardware from your former 14th gen platform to an AM5 platform. Even a 285k will outpace it to extract as much performance as possible from your 5090. Now you get to think about what you want to move to next. Back to 14th? 285k looks like a lot of fun to tune up. AM5 is a proven winner. Nice score! I see that GB vBIOS. 🙂 I'm afraid, but I'll give it a run later to see if my ear drums explode. 😁

Yeah on all my Astral 5090 screenies and benchmarking results reports, ALL I use is Nvidia's monitoring tools. My last big post with the card comparisons for the 5080 and 5090 was all Nvidia's tools. You gotta figure they know their hardware better than any other external monitoring tool and it works well enough for my needs to a point. Go back and look. I just customized the screen read out because I like it to the left, vertical and in red w/ a larger font but that's Nvidia's statistics reporting utility (Alt+R baby). I use AB when I'm doing fps session grabs to get average framerates via Rivatuner and/or usually overclocking, albeit I used PX1 for that last session for both the Astral and FE. For AMD, if you go back and look at some of the first DXMD pics, you will see AB and Adrenalin on screen at the same time. Using Nvidia's OSD, I'm hitting 2745mhz on the 5080 FE stock and 3030mhz OC'd 99% util in WoW so based on your older posts, that is right in the neighborhood of your stock clocks. Both our FE's have subpar voltage caps at stock. DAMN!!!!! I'm so sorry bro. 😞 I've killed a few chips over the years pushing them too hard. Still hurts to see it happen. They aren't cheap! A proper sorting of the universe would have your replacement 9950X3D having a monster IMC and run ice cold. Next question is, do you plan on delidding this one? Awesome! Congrats @johnksss!! Which block are you going with? Go by your results. You're overthinking a good, solid, average very well priced card. Just enjoy it. I can't imagine stressing this much or coming at it from so many directions to extract water from a rock. I would just focus on the price, aesthetics, potential lack of coil whine and the fact it IS a 5090 and keep it moving.....

Agreed, I am really impressed with it. I haven't felt this good about AMD since the 5700xt which was inferior to the 2080ti but I opted to rock that that for a few years till the 3090 dropped. I'm seriously contemplating that again. I was very pleased to see the video and spreadsheet I was using as a reference was incorrect and the Gaming OC provides the same power and performance as the Elite. I just really like either minimalist blackout build or that uniform lighting "industrial borg" look of the system. When I get crushed to the face with an over abundance of rainbow RGB it hurts. Only reason my keyboard is all lit up like a rainbow is because I refuse to run the Steel Series GG software. I think that was a smart move to sell off a lot of hardware, downsize, clean up and get some clarity financially. My tech fund I built up with the last sell off would be in the negative if I keep the Astral 5090 and MSI Raider 18" along with the Crosshair + 9800X3D combo I picked up. Something has to give. I still do have a nice list of hardware to sell off though I'll get up on Fleabay and the OC forums but with all the hacked accounts over there I'm a bit wary atm. Nice baseline set of data to publicly set in stone before "The Tinkerage" starts. 🙂 Did you block your 4090 Sujprim or run it strictly on air? Do you plan on blocking your 5090?

9070xt installed and clean install of Windows 11 Pro for the next few days as my daily driver. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Day 1 and I'm finding a lot of things I like an don't like. Likes: GPU is stupidly quiet with no coil whine GPU runs crazy cool under load Boosts to 3ghz+ right out of the box. Highest I've seen so far is 3230 While it was rumored to have the weaker 304w vBIOS, it actually has the 340w variant and has pulled up to 371w Minimal lighting and is quieter under load than the 5080 FE and Astral 5090 which were both already very quiet Very stylish looking Dislikes: Terrible issues with flickering with HDR enabled. The 5080 and 5090 have them too but nowhere near like the 9070xt. I just keep HDR off till I want it on for gaming. Same as I did with Nvidia. While lower than many other 9070xt's I've seen, the hot spot in the 80s along with the memory hitting 90+. Yes, I know that's within range, but I prefer my temps lower. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In WoW, it is hitting ~98fps in the new test spot 4k ultra RT max with 99% utilization: This puts it at: 9070xt = 98fps 9070xt OC = TBD 5080 FE = 115fps (~18% faster than 9070xt) 4090 = 125fps (~28% faster than the 9070xt) 5080 FE OC= 126fps (~29% faster than 9070xt) 4090 OC = 135fps (~38% faster than the 9070xt) Astral 5090 = 186fps (~90% faster than the 9070xt) Astral 5090 OC = 210fps (~114% faster than the 9070xt) 5090 OC vs 4090 OC = ~56% faster (whoa!) I'm actually very impressed with the 9070xt on the newest Adrenalin drivers released a few days ago (25.4.1). It has cleaned up a lot of issues in WoW including the stuttering and chunking with RT on. I spent a few hours playing and zero problems. If things stay the same right now, and I was a WoW player and MSRP was in effect, I would pick a 9070xt over a 5080 FE because the price:performance is just better. If price wasn't too much of a consideration, I would then go with the 5080 FE. If price is NO object, the 5090 is just a wrecking ball. The 9070xt is faster in WoW than the 7900xtx and the 5090 just obliterates it in the scariest fashion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @Mr. Fox Deus Ex MD problem fixed. After a lot of trial and error what was happening was playing around with MSAA in the pre-launch menu was for some reason sticking even when disabled for some reason dragging performance down once in the actual game. Here is a video giving the 9070xt a proper run with all the options checked in the video menu before benchmark so you can install 25.4.1 and give it another go and double check my work: And the actual results: ----------------------------------------------------- Lastly is Fallout 76. I happen to find a few spots that push the 9070xt to ~96% util which is good! I have my bud with the 5090 FE actively trying to find the most graphically demanding spots in the game to see how hard we can push the 5090. I plan on joining the hunt when I switch back. Stay tuned....

PX1 results on my 5080 FE Stock boost lock = 2827 / 1.015v MaxV slider = 2887 / 1.035v Sub 3ghz across the board = decidedly average (maybe a touch below at sub 2900) but still a beautiful card. 🙂 5090 is ~62% faster than my 5080 FE stock for stock (186fps vs 115fps) 5090 is ~~67% faster than my 5080 FE OC vs OC (+300/+3000 on both 210fps vs 126fps) This is the first test with both capped out to 99% on the same drivers (576.02) / install. This Astral 5090 just wrecks it and applying the same OC, the gap just gets wider with the much better silicon in the Astral and cooling. I'm going to install this 9070xt next and give it a proper clean install to give it every chance it has to get where it needs to get to shine as bright as it can. WoW results with the 5080 FE: Stock: OC +300 / +3000 (same as Astral 5090):

Where does it land with zero voltage adjustments? If I were you, I'd sell/trade it for better silicon and more normal PCB AIB model to block and then have fun vBIOS hopping then crank up the chiller for some weekend outings. You can wrap the 5090FE price around yourself like a warm blanket, but it's going to eat away at you. but then again..... .....buying a more expensive model doesn't guarantee you anything and it really is all over the place with these cards. I swear it feels like CPU binning a bit. People will start asking for tested/binned variants sooner than later. It happened with the 3090 and 4090. My 3090 bins were....ok. 4090 was a very good GPU bin but just a kinda good memory overclocker topping out at +1600 max for benching. The other identical 4090 liquid was absolute trash and couldn't do over 2900mhz'ish full OC'd and memory conked out at +700 if I remember. The variance is bonkers. Still, in the end, a 5090 is a 5090 and the worst bin is absolutely a monster of a card. No coil whine is a 100% win in my book. Prices also went up on their low end cards. The $599.99 9070xt's are now ~$659.99. The Gigabyte 5070 SFF I actually had queued up for on launch with B&H for $549.99 is now $604.99 and they emailed me that it was available for buy. Gigabyte gaming OC 9070 not-XT is now $669.99.... Asrock Taichi 9070xt went from $729.99 to $849.99 on NE These are all sold and shipped by BB and NE.

Good find! So silicon lottery is in play again as always.... 😞 If someone is dedicated enough I can see binning cores and memory (if we're ever allowed to exceed +3000) to compete. I mean, I'm clearly not sad for my Astral but still. I think we always have to remember all that is promised out of the box is the advertised performance... ....we also have to remember most products also come with a 15-30 day return policy or you can sell them off (like CPUs) to friends/family/clients who will never, ever overclock and a 5090 is a 5090 is a 5090 to them. What does your FE say boost locked with PX1 w/ and w/o 100% slider? For me, it comes down to coil whine. I'd have to hear it at >200fps+ and TS GT2 run to see what it's working with coil whine wise. 50% fans on these FEs is definitely audible but then again I'm running an open case. True, even the most average FE should beat a good sample 5090 if it is blocked and shunted. 🙂 Looking forward to before and after results.

I know over on the OC forums and 3Dmark, XOC/Shunt modded cards are dominating. For @tps3443, that block is crucial for shunting considering the, ah, tight margins on the FE cooler. Here is my Astral vBIOS. Give it a whirl everybody....hopefully you all get awesome performance out of it. Oh you dropped it. Here you go... 🤣 Astral5090.rom

Banger of a card @johnksss especially if you block it. My Astral is in the neighborhood but your clocks are the chef's kiss! Mine is clocking very nicely, so I know yours is going to go to that next level especially if you block it and shunt/XOC it. (FYI, this is my first time punching either boost lock or voltage slider) Stock boost lock: voltage slider in "fun times" mode: Do you plan on getting a block though? Are you going to shunt first and run it on the stock HSF? It's gonna kill me seeing you tear it apart especially as I'm sitting here showing my buddy over FT how quiet a FE CAN be with the 5080 FE.

Hoping it's a banger @johnksss, but then again with your past work on so-so/average hardware..... I knew your Founders stood no chance of staying in its pristine condition! 🤣 Like I said many days ago when you were just talking about adding pads or something along those lines.... "and it starts." 😁 Definitely can't wait to see it shunt modded and blocked bro!

So the PNY Epic-X Overclocked ARGB 5090 at $3399 now costs more than the Astral at $3359?? Hmmmm, I will have to watch a review on it. I have no idea what the game or premise is about. Well yeah, if you're pushing clocks a crash is obvious but the idea is to be able to recover without a hard reset which I've found to be the case with 576.02. Maybe things will change when I actually start pushing voltages and power limits vs everything now being at stock power config? Dunno....

5090 + 9800X3D WoW 99% utilization Stock vs OC (+300 / +3000) = ~13% uplift. Yeah, I'll take that. I didn't realize my OC was only +300 when I took that first OC shot in Oribos so some room to play with later. 5090 OC 210fps (+300 / +3000) vs 4090 OC (+210/225 / +1500) 135fps = ~56% uplift. I'll confirm this by testing the 5080 FE here and extrapolating vs 5080 FE stock vs 4090 OC. Also test 5080 FE stock and OC in the same location too vs Astral 5090. I expect the gap to close down to ~45% Stock: OC: Whoa..... Just give it a clean install! 😁 noice! congrats! I keep telling myself the same thing with this expensive piece of gear aka Astral 5090: "You know the last 4 cycles since the 1080ti, you've sold all your GPUs after a few years for as much if not more than you paid....6090 will probably be a train wreck....AMD sucks again for WoW compared to Nvidia with problems galore on the 9070xt....240fps in delves at 4k Ultra with the 5090"

lol, I'm just glad to have a new testing spot that can cap out this 5090. My old spot, especially overclocked, just had the 5090 giggling.... "MSI Suprim 6090 with 48gb of memory now on sale for $3999.99!!" I'll be curious to see your results, but since 576.02 zero hard reboots. I just give it a few seconds after freezing and it recovers. I will readily admit, I didn't expect the 5090 to have the extra room in the tank.... Oh, TSE is my overnight 6hr run since it simulates a max length (in theory) gaming session for moi. My final boss. It is probably a holdover from when I used to use P95 for my CPUs and an hour or so would pass, but 5-6hrs would root out instabilities. Same as my CPU and memory final stress tests. If I can pass a 6hr run, I are super golden to my standards. I can't get onboard for 24hr runs for some reason like others for CPU/GPU/MEM. 1/4 of that is MORE than enough for myself. Still, an hour is probably good enough..... 😁

We found it! 5090 99% Utilization in WoW even overclocked! Oribos, my old friend (Shadowlands) to the rescue! The former stomping ground of GPU slaying rises up once more. 🙂 This will be my new test spot for GPUs in WoW from this point on. If it can bring a 5090 OC'd to its knees (well, I mean 210fps but still), can't wait to see how the 5080 FE does....

It really comes down to having the ability to extract as much performance as possible out of your 5090 by being able to flash vBIOS from other makes and models without being restricted by Nvidia. I mean, it is their in house model being offered so I get it, but they've done this before. No way I'd run 1k as a daily, but fun benchies? Yes please. Beefy enough heatsink to handle it? Double yes please. As @jaybee83 pointed out, lack of dual bios on the FE is a negative too just in case..... The blessings of the FE HSF design is also its curse. Absolutely great for SFF, compact to fit most cases and quite beautiful and stunning in person (I also thought the 4090 FE was an absolutely stunning slab of industrial metal). It's curse is limited thermals resulting in much higher temps overall at similar settings for both memory and GPU temps. In spec? Sure, but it limits you. You can't out Physics, er, Physics... For me, a monster heatsink just lets me run a full tilt D2D OC and not have to worry about extreme temps. If I could keep my room cooler, that would mean even better temps.... that screen shot of a few hours of WoW where my room was heading closer to 90 than 80 still were great temps in the sauna box. If I could keep my room at 70f? Mmmmmmm. Maybe I should get a window AC unit.... For me, it will always be 3Dmark TSE GT2 that for some reason looped will eventually get my GPU. I use Heaven when tuning on the fly to see when I start to artifact but I've found recently on 4090 and especially 5090 I don't really artifact. I just freeze/blank and sometimes recover (recover almost all the time with 576.02). I used to use Kombustor (aka Furmark'ish) but not recently. Then I throw games at it but only the games I play. My general rule is, "I'm stable till the next new game." For WoW, I use that high GPU location, and in previous Xpacs back to Shadowlands, I used Ardenweald which just brutalized my GPUs and hit so hard. I need to revisit that. I did also use Wukong this last time. Fallout 76 can't tax anything lol and it ran fine up to +400 / +3000 at max settings to give you an idea. --- 5090 is just a beast. It really is. I'm pretty much locked into a +325/+3000 D2D now and playing WoW earlier with the wife and that extra bit of ooomph does help shore up the lows a bit more. Since coil wine on this card is so good, I've abandoned 140fps frame lock and now keep it at a proper +238fps for my 240hz OLED display. There's pockets when playing, especially delves, where it is so silky smooth.... --- Again, locked down BIOS controls and no dual bios switch? Hmmmm.... For $2k though, like @tps3443, I'd rock it six ways to sundown all day everyday.... 🤣

That's exactly what it means @tps3443..... Only an FE vBIOS variant will work on an FE not an AIB. 😞 I thought I remember reading that before with FE cards that's why I was asking because I was thinking of flashing either the Astral or Zotac vBIOS if possible on the 5080 FE. Go ahead and flash the Astral and see how it turns out. 5090 FE really is just not designed for a proper D2D OC and/or vBIOS optimizing from other AIBs. Irks me a bit with the 5080 FE to be honest. Best bet is to grab the cheapest non-FE if you want to vBIOS hop, slap a block on it and get to work.

Well, this answers the question 😞 Strike 2....

Is the 5090 FE capable of flashing other vBIOSes?

Hmmm, that is a possibility too. I am just going to give it its own cozy, comfy fresh install drivers only to start and go from there. Office is looking clean and organized! Yeah I'm at +3000 / +325 for pure stability without adding any PL/V fans on auto which is how I would run it D2D gaming/rendering. Stress testing, I started at +400 and that quickly dropped to +350 and extended testing dialed it to +325. Next will be retesting with PL/V limits pushed to max. (You know, the "hard stuff" 🤣) Might need to dial in a "Winter Mode" and "Summer Mode" at this rate of hades. 🤣 Ugh, as much as I want to see the FE on water It is going to pain me to see it dismantled from its stock, factory fresh beauty feat of engineering lol..... Can the FE's cross flash vBIOS? If so, that and a block will really let it fly.... 2nm Intel does get me jonsin' for it so we shall see.

Thanks @Mr. Fox! Yeah, something is off. My 9070xt: Maximum is in range, but Avg and Min is off. Compared to my 5080 FE same rig: Your numbers seem to be more inline with what I would expect to see fro a 9070xt. 5090 doesn't count. It is over here taking the wind out of everything...... The 9070xt was slapped in on a pre-existing install that has seen 3-4 graphics cards swapped in and out. I'm going to give it its own clean install and see how that does for re-testing.

It is a small office and I always keep the door open. It is even by the blower/intake but I found the 3090 was ok. 3090ti was not as it tipped over that point where the open door could keep it cool. I think somewhere in this thread I even noted the potential issue of the 5090 turning my computer room into a sauna seeing as the 3090ti already did it and it was pulling ~500w max. Crazy as I was playing watching the temp on my wall clock just keep climbing lol. 4090 was perfect as it always came in under 500w unless benching even pushed in WoW. 5080 FE obviously is even better never going above ~325w in WoW. It was only ~80f outside today. This will be unsustainable in the summer where it will routinely be 90f+ daily and in the 80's at night. The one good thing with a good overclock is better lows even with fps capped to 144 to keep temps down but sheesh. Even the CPU temps went up. When the room stays around 70f, CPU temps are in the high 50s but with the room hitting 83f+ it was hitting ~65c. First World Problems.... 🤣