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Ugh, the torture..... the beauty of the GPU crushed by the Crocs! 🤣 I must have really been sleeping on MSI once I stopped using their 1722 series of laptops back in the day. Any particular reason he's not going with Nvidia? I mean kudos with the 7900xtx though. What games does he play and what model(s) is he considering?

I kid. 🙂 These small compact units can still hold it down no problem. My wife is running a Seasonic GX-850 and it is about that size. It is a workhorse. My daughter's system has an EVGA G2 850 in it and it, too, is a work horse but it is much bigger. My test bench has an EVGA P2 850 and it's bigger and my desktop an EVGA P2 1600w the same size as ypur 1300 P+ I would have just picked up a 1600w and called it a day..... This new "minimal" @tps3443 does have me concerned. Tap the "z" three times if you're being held against your will..... Last few returns took extra long. I do know Amazon recently implemented much more thorough return procedures and returns are no longer instant for many electronic and pricier items especially either shipped from Amazon or Amazon Warehouse. When I returned the Asus Z790i Strix board, they received it on January 11th and it took over a week for them to say they were processing my refund and it would be credited in 2-5 days. It stayed stuck at that step for almost three weeks and I had to contact customer service to manually process the refund. When I returned the MSI 7900XTX, it took over three weeks for them to acknowledge and process the refund. When I reached out during that return (it was returned October 2023ish), they said the return was still being processed after a week. Their more stringent return process is fine by me as I think fraudulent returns are starting to impact their bottom line enough for them to step up their return vetting system. This is how I always bypassed it too when needed. Most times I just let Windows do its thing especially with older hardware. Did you use the latest windows media creation tool that is 23H2? Something new learned today! I'll have to give that a try next week when I pop in my own drive for a custom install on my daughter's desktop to really test out the 7900XTX in there without disrupting her setup. I'd personally take the drive and get the 5800X3D for $70 smackers more, but that's just me. 🙂

Awwww, that's so cute and adorable.... 🤣

Got around to installing the Powercolor Hellhound 7900XTX White edition in my daughter's system and WoW is still a hot mess and still won't work with DX12 and DX11 is a crashing, stuttery mess....... I did play a bit of Hogwarts to make sure everything was good to go for her tomorrow (she's ready to replay it now a year later) and yeah.....that 7900XTX just destroys her old 3070 badly (as it should). I turned on all the eye candy and bumped it up to 4k and her 12400 is bottlenecking the system now hardcore especially in Hogsmeade. Hogwarts would compensate for limited VRAM by downgrading assets and it was readily apparent. Now everything is lush, full and beautiful. Let me see how long it takes for her to notice the graphical upgrade in game (the monster chonker of a card I had to angle in on a diagonal might be a give away!). I like the way it looks in her system though. Timespy run x 2. Good temps and especially hotspot temps! Standard ~29k out of box score.

From your past adventures, I'm surprised you didn't go for a 1600w or close PSU. 1000w seems kinda conservative for you. First you get an R batch 14900k and don't even delid it Second you back away from top end and go 4080 Super Lastly, you opt for only a 1000w PSU stepping down from 1300w You feeling ok @tps3443???? 🤣

I have never encountered that changing settings piece meal but I haven't installed the newest BIOS yet just the previous beta. I was going to update this afternoon and give it a whirl. Was this happening to you on previous bioses or just this newest one? ----------------------------------- Cache is king and scarily so. For me, this is shown in Fallout 76 where it absolutely loves that cache and the older FO engine can basically fit inside of it at all times producing a scary performance leap over Intel. I would love to see Intel somehow integrate an X3D type stack on their chips comparable to AMD:

Of course the day right after I install the last beta and go through my whole process! 🙂 I'll install it today still. Beta is working fine but never hurts to have the officially goodies. Glad it dropped before I did my deep dive in some OC'ing benching and data collection.

LOL, I can wait. I'll just sit back and wait for that initial rush to subside then BOOM snaggeroni! If we look at the performance gains from nvidia in their tik-tok type of Intel cadence, I expect blackwell to be pretty beastly and it might be why AMD has already basically given up the ghost in competing on the top end this cycle and has intimated the same for next cycle. They're bringing everything they can full bore but Nvidia is just a juggernaut giving serious performance gains each generation. Imagine if Intel and AMD had provided the same generational uplift with their CPUs? Very beautiful! I've been a sucker for EVGA since back in the 6800GT days when I picked one up for my Power Mac G5 Dual tower back in 2004. I've always loved their cards and they just kept getting better over the years. I still miss them in the GPU space and while they've shifted to PSUs and other peripherals, I still check their website and forums. You need to make a custom display case to house your current and incoming GPUs with a small brass label under each one showing the name and highest score achieved. 🙂 I dunno if Bruno is "thrustworthy" but hopefully he's trustworthy! 🤣

Installed the latest BIOS and recert my memory before a clean install. After clean install time to get in there for some OC tweakage with the 7950X3D.

4090 consistency in gaming and Nvidia's overall better features/package can't be denied. The dip is real but unless you're a pro or hardcore, it really is much ado about nothing depending on the games you play or want a locked refresh rate that's pushing the edge anyhow which for an esports gamer I can see being a must. I'll be sticking with my LF II 420 for now until a compelling reason presents itself to upgrade/change. The noise:performance is quite nice. Have you done the delid and testing yet? (Maybe I missed it). The good thing is you can bench with it off for personal benching. The bad thing is you can't submit them for inclusion on the bot. They should really do away with it seeing as all lower tier cards don't have it. On the stock vBIOS and AIO I hit ~2820-2835 out of box and with a standard OC, I game and bench at 3120+. Memory does +1600 solid or +1700 for benching on my MSI Suprim Liquid X 4090.

Welcome! 😁 Mine is still in the box brand new lol.... Looks like AC wanted to control the entire mount from insertion to pump block. I like the idea on paper, but I would have preferred a standard CF included that was tested and paired with their normal mounting mechanisms. This would allow you to use theirs or somebody elses. LF III shines in performance:noise ratio. One thing I love about the AC LF II 420 is how quiet it is even gaming or handling small little CPU busts when surfing and such. Even though the LF III is louder than the II, it is still best in class for providing high levels of performance with the lowest noise. Noise normalized, it is #1. Not sure how you're going to void your warranty when the contact frame actually helps prevent any potential extra stress or warping. If you're stupid enough to answer yes to Intel asking if you used a CF, that's on you.

What @Papusan posts above... What I see below! 🙂 🤣

I thought the same thing. "Looks nice but did he take this pic with a circa 2000 digital camera?" 🤣

I'm Gen-X too. 🙂 I used to love Kmart. That was my favorite "that type of store" to shop in ever since I was a kid but they've all shut down. I really do not like Walmart at all. Target is like a slightly fancier Kmart. Yeah that MSI is slick. I'd get one of those in a modern version and @tps3443 it does kinda give Suprim vibes! Hopefully better results than with the EVGA.

That one is much better. I thought about the other one because you could maybe get it basically at retail pricing (or a touch below) when all was said and done and have a guaranteed SP100 chip but I can see ponying up a little more for the SP102 if able. I go to Walmart less than 5 times year if that. I prefer Target. 🙂

Walmart is interesting as I know a family member who returned so much stuff in NJ they were banned from Walmart returns and every Walmart they went to they couldn't return anything. Walmart requires the receipt or government issued ID to return items so there was no getting around it. Paying in cash doesn't work all the time and would require an associate to use their government issued ID if you don't want to use your receipt. You could have a friend return a cash purchased item with no receipt and they would have to use their government issued ID. Funny, but they ended up moving across the country and the bans were not active at their local Walmarts immediately so they could shop and return items but after numerous returns it triggered the system that then associated it to their NJ record and BAM banned again. I got my first and only "nasty-gram" from Amazon when I returned that EVGA FTW3 3090ti I bought at 2199 on launch and realized it was so not worth the money (Only to turn around 5 months later and get the KPE 3090ti oy!).

Did you buy all 4 at once and return all 4 or did you buy them in lots of 1 or 2? I only know one person who eventually was told they could no longer return items to Best Buy. They weren't banned from buying but their return privilege was revoked. He was returning stuff left and right and basically using items for 30 days and returning them over and over. He was warned first via in store and email but he kept it up. So @Mr. Fox I am sure a few CPU buy and returns will be ok unless you're returning items like a bat out of hell. I tend to think the "binning" crowd is a very small slice of the overall CPU selling pie. We're a drop in the bucket vs most buyers on all levels.

I wouldn't order more than two at a time. I've done it since 10th gen gen but skipped 13th and 14th this time around. If you have shopped there at least a few times in a year and you pick up a few and then return them you should be ok. I even returned two Asus G18 laptops last year but in my defense I shop from there so frequently in a pinch or convenience for myself (always price match Amazon), friends and family it's rediculous. 🙂

Ack, 0-3. 😞 Sorry Bro.

Nothing new for AMD. They did it with my old Acer Swift 3 when it had a 5700U in it making you think it was 5000 series Zen3 when it was actually a repackaged Zen2 while the 5800U was Zen3 all within the same product/life cycle. The product page USED to say "Zen2 architecture" for the 5700U but they removed that pretty quickly while 5800U page still says "Zen3 architecture" on the bottom. They aren't hiding the details. They're just not announcing them with the same vigor as some of their early GPU/CPU "best light" presentation benchmarks and not showing them in their overall or worst light. Kinda how like they led most to think there was an actual physical doubling of the CUs in their 7000 series GPUs when it was actually same CUs with double FP and they never corrected it or gave clarification. These marketing tactics fall under a grey area of scummy as you can find the info out there if a consumer does their due diligence but they aren't blaring their trumpets to show any product shortcomings. In other words, just another corporation...er...."corperating"

Funny I was going down memory lane the other day with a guildie who is die hard AMD and telling him how much AMD/ATi hardware I've used over the years. My first AMD cpu was the Athlon X2 4800 and then I bought a FX-63 as a "goodbye to Socket 939" and gave the X2 4800 to my brother who ran that thing till 2011. Intel introduced their Core and then Nehalem architecture and AMD basically was getting blasted (a little less and less during 1000 then 3000 series) till the 5000 series then hopped on board but USB issues drove me back into the arms of Intel with 11th then 12th. Switched to 7000 series after 7800X3D dropped last year. Ran Intel 13900KS while sorting out my dead motherboard issue then back to AMD. GPU wise? Well, after 3Dfx went under, I was die hard ATi till late 2004 then went back and forth between ATi/Nvidia till 2009 when the GTX 280 dropped in 2009 then actually went back to Radeon for their 7000 series cards (7970) in 2011 and ran that till I picked up a 980 in 2014 then 1080/1080ti (KPE actually) right before the crypto market sent prices soaring then back to Radeon for the 5700xt ran that till the 3090 and here we are.....round 3 with the 7900xtx incoming and 4090 just purring away since January 2023. ------------------------ As for Intel, well, this is a taste of Skylake stretching all over again and I'm calling this Alderlake++++ and we're at the end END of this node and it is being pushed to the redline so chips that are officially "ok" are hot and heavy. As @Mr. Fox referenced, some get really up in arms when returning CPUs. There's two schools of thought here: Those who say regardless of how hot and heavy is it running, but is it running? After you get into the BIOS and tune it up or get the proper cooling, is it performing per Intel specs? Yes, then it is what it is and returning them is unethical. Then there are others who say there needs to be a cut off and if a chip is running that hot and heavy and pulling that much power to meet spec and requires tuning to run as intended, that is unacceptable and back it goes. Me? I don't need a reason to return a chip that just isn't doing it for me performance wise. I don't want it. It isn't as good as I want and it's my money and back you go. Some say you should sell them at a small loss. No thank you. I don't need to justify it. I'm just returning it. If you want to sit in the corner and get butt hurt because I'm using the retail return mechanisms to return a product I am unsatisfied with for whatever reasons go right ahead and cry in your blanky. I mean cut them some slack.....AMD is absolutely trouncing Intel in that segment. 🤣 Ryzen Master Utility was recently updated. I'll take a look at it later

If that first picture will be your computer area, I could still see running a few lines through the lower wall/panel right outside and placing a small enclosure out there for your chiller. I do like the layout of your new place!

That is an awesome idea actually. Either that or add a small enclosure right outside your computer room and have dedicated lines running to it for your chiller. Silent and keeps all heat out of the room too.

I mean I was just trying to prepare you seeing as how everyone was popping all these sub SP98 POS chips but you landed two subpar chips in a row. The 6ghz points were bad and the 5.8 points were down right insulting. Newegg has no return only exchange policy? I wonder if they reach a point where they deem your chip fine and send it back? With this level of garbage bins, they've had to have encountered this before. I really didn't think Intel was going to eeek out a 14900KS chip with such bad 14900k's but it would make sense now keeping all their R batch equivalent chips for 14900KS. I expect your CPU will be more than 14900KS worthy and then some. What impresses me most about it is your 4300 V/F point (I'm thinking NH55 laptop use here) as I think that's the lowest 4300 point I've seen on a 13900k and 14900k chip. If I recall, it was like 0.969 or 0.964? For a 14900KS, I'll be focusing on the 5.8 V/F curve as with my setup that will be be sweet spot to push all core with very small trips into the 6ghz+ on select cores for gaming and some benching but I did just plunk down $740 on the 7900XTX after rewarding myself on a massive winter spring clearing of tons of hardware over three months Nov-Jan so hopefully I get a window to catch my breath. If that's the case, then my 13900KS was running close to a stock 14900K w/ 8000 tuned sticks within spec at 5.7 all core for gaming. I think I said it before, but the gains from a tuned 12900k 5.2 all core / 4133 DDR4 tuned vs a 13900KS 5.7 all core / 8000 tuned was quite substantial. To see the 7800X3D smack down the 12900k pretty easily was sombering but then to run the 13900KS tuned and see it retake the lead in WoW was nice. I'm just glad to see when both platforms are pushed and dialed in, the competition is fierce. It keeps both companies on their toes.