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They need to make a @Papusan CROC edition! 😅🤣😂

Newegg has had the Gigabyte 4090 drifting in and out of stock today: https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gv-n4090gaming-oc-24gd/p/N82E16814932550?Item=N82E16814932550 MSI has one model of their 4090 in stock on their website the $1699.99 Gaming X Trio https://us-store.msi.com/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GPU/GeForce-RTX-40-Series/4090-Z790-CARBON-WIFI-Gaming-Kit-s360?sort=p.price&order=ASC Looks like they're forcing a bundle purchase (MB and AIO) to get it.....ewww.

Give it a Timespy and Cinebench R23 run and see how it stacks up.

Then it could very likely be the sticks. Only way to tell is to grab a pair of 3200 sticks for comparison at this point as you've done everything possible including throwing what is a sane amount of Vmem at it along with loosening up your timings to scale frequency. One good thing about these Corsair 3800 sticks. You know they're not the limiter. It let me D2D scale my P870TM1 to 3466 while also realizing my X170SM was tapping out at 3200.

Congrats, that's a solid card and one of my favorites. I'm a sucker for Sapphire's Nitro line up. So what's the total system specs going to be?

If ~$600 is your limit start looking through 6900xt's you want and look for sellers that allow best offers and send them $600 offers. I'm sure one will sell. You can also message new listings too and offer ~$600.

Yeah I was definitely referring to the X670E. Only B series I've used was a Gigabyte on my brother's mATX build (B550 w/ 5600x) he is still using. I keep looking at this XFX 7900XTX in my case atm and it is a great sample all around and I am fighting hard to not do a complete X3D buildout but I feel like I'm losing the battle. 🤣

EVGA Z790 Dark Unboxing video. Available now on EVGA for $800. EVGA Z790 Dark hitting 9200 on DDR5:

Not really in the here and now but if you plan on keeping this build for 2-5yrs it will be in the future. If this is a long term build, I'd go with the Carbon. I was looking at MSI boards just yesterday contemplating keeping this XFX 7900XTX and doing a 7800X3D build out along the lines of having an A770 build for Intel (the wife uses it) to go along with my Nvidia build.

Well in their defense it is an aftermarket design not the reference model but now you can get a better model for the same price! 🙂 So yeah...kinda. Throw in a 10% off code on top of it and get it for $810.00 if you are US based too.

Fn+D on power on should technically reset the CMOS/BIOS but sometimes you will need to remove the CMOS and battery. When doing memory tuning I tend to remove both as I know I'm going to be doing a lot of note taking and experience a lot of blank screens requiring a reset. Then all you have to do is unplug the power cable(s) to auto reset the unit. Did you loosen up the timings too? It can definitely be the kit just can't go any higher than 2667 but make sure to relax your timings and set your Vmem to ~1.35 at least.

Such a monstrous beauty. If you're into raw performance and big screens, this will effectively kill off every last true "DTR" Clevo model out there in every aspect (except noise maybe) as the 4090 mobile model represents the first major leap in performance in quite a while since Turing. That i9-13980HX is going to be a wrecking ball for multi.

Serious price cut to the Merc 7900xt to $899.99 from $999.99 and $20 on reference model less than a month into launch on BB. This will eventually trickle upward to the 4070ti and 4080 unless Jensen just doesn't care and will be hard headed with his pricing. It isn't as if the 4070ti isn't a decent gaming card....just overpriced: Followed up with just overall a whole bunch of "meh" if you have a 3080 or greater card.....

That's how I run my Corsair 3800 SODIMMS DDR4 in my X170SM-G at 14-14-14 with tightened terts too.

More affirmation.... If you have a 3090 or 3090ti, the 4080 is a non starter (along with the 7900xtx).... 4090 or nothing....

If that's Prema, you should be able to just go right in and adjust the custom timings and frequencies to your liking. Standard bin scaling till it tops out (expect 3200, hope for more). Set Vmem to ~1.45v just for some headroom while scaling and loosen those timings to 22-22-22 so you can see how far the memory and system board will go frequency wise. @Clamibot approach works too but I just like to front load the Vmem and take it out of the equation and scale that way and once I find out how much it can scale (frequency/timings) I then start to dial in the best Vmem.

Every CPU has variances in regards to how much power they require and how hot they run. Heat output variances is a byproduct of power requirements it pulls at a given frequency. Some chips can handle a better undervolt than others and as a result run cooler. Some chips just run hotter at the same power requirements as other chips. You want to find a good sample that isn't power hungry, can handle a decent undervolt to reduce power consumption even more and runs as cool as possible given the cooling constraints of the X170SM-G. I think somewhere in this thread I have a post testing at least 4-5 10900k's and showing how they can greatly vary in regards to power and heat.

As much as they don't want it to happen, the market is correcting. We saw this with memory (DDR5 is plummeting in price), storage, CPUs (hello AMD) and now we'll see it with GPUs especially 2nd tier cards that are grossly overpriced. The only problem might be Jensen's stubborness. Look at how he managed to keep 3080 and below cards at or near MSRP even now with a glut of cards. He can do the same with 4000 series. Worst case scenario for consumers is you build up inventory and let it trickle out while you sell to other segments of the market. We need the glut of ADA cards to be so severe he has to cut prices or the bean counters step in and come to the conclusion sales are down regardless of cuts so keep it as is. 7900xt / 4080 / 4070ti are just simply priced too high and as we move deeper into the new year it will start to show. I've been saying over and over since October 2022 that ~Feb 2023 is when we will start to get real clarity. Now if only something could correct the motherboard market pricing....

If you're not happy with MSI overall why take a chance? Wait for an Asus Strix 4090 if that's what you want. I do know my bud's Suprim X 4090 air cooled model memory clocks to 1950 no problem. I'll be the first to admit if price is no object, I'd probably grab a ROG too. People get wrapped up (rightly so) on costs, but the first thing I do with all new hardware offerings is rank them on desirability then re-rank them on cost vs desirability. 🙂 I wouldn't get a Zotac simply because I can't have @johnksss smirking and gloating at me. 🙂 Never pay more than MSRP (or close to it) and never, ever buy from a 3rd party scalper who is a parasite and purposely buying up cards to jack up the prices and resell. Routinely "anti-consumer" results in "pro-profits" for resellers and we know it's all about the profits. Newegg is no different than Amazon, Walmart or eBay in this scenario allowing third party sellers to scarf up inventory and relist at jacked up prices for their marketplace cut. They also get a cut from the initial sale too. What card are you looking for to upgrade your current GPU?

System is on its way as I type. Didn't get it out till 1/3/2023. I asked Zoltan to let the techs know to not use K5 Pro but standard thermal pads and clean up all that mess as that stuff was a moist, weird, degrading mess that seemed to start oozing an oil type substance. When I get it back, I'll clean up the VRMs too and just use standard thermal pads there too if they don't clean that up and use thermal pads.

You would probably have better luck upgrading to a golden 10900k as those do pop up from time to time but more importantly the best bins from Intel were assigned to 10900k chips in general. You can ask on various forums for golden samples but for our use in X170SM/KM chassis, low pull and not leaky are priorities. I've tested a few chips including an SP114 that would have rocked on a competent desktop but in the X170SM-G was a lower vcore but hotter running chip than my golden SP101. I've tested ~8 10900k's now and the Silicon Lottery 10900k I have SP101 still reigns supreme even over an LTX limited golden 10900k and the SP114 I tested (all were delidded). But as long as you lock down a known good sample it will most likely be better than a raw out of the box chip unless you just get a crazy lucky pull like @Ashtrix who bought a boxed retail sample and it was an SP113.

NP. I really like this XFX both aesthetics, cooling, noise levels, no coil whine and more. It has crazy build quality and runs as intended even at stock hitting 2600+ on the clocks. It just is (as of now) a very poor WoW GPU. Figure out what programs and games you want to prioritize and especially for Linux as @Mr. Fox mentioned and it is a solid choice if it fits your criteria. Whoa, this makes the KP Z690 just like an even better buy! Nice!

Good pick. I was torn between it and the Enthroo 2. I would have been happy with either case. It will be interesting to see if all the problems clear up with a newer case. lol, he went in hard on AMD. 🙂 I find Jufes crudely enjoyable. I'm looking forward to the X3D results. I know for WoW the 5800X3D is a PnP monster. Only a finely tuned 12900k or 13700/13900k could best it. Apple is definitely hitting a wall with the Mx architecture. M2 felt very much like M1KS (M1SE?).

Feels more like AMD is quietly willing to price up versus really compete for market share. What little they own they want to extract maximum value. Nvidia is content to keep going as they're going since they control every aspect of the narrative at this point. They have the upper hand and they know it. Their product is superior and they will continue to charge what they want till someone challenges them enough or people have had enough and set hard limits and even then they have so many other interests and profit streams that are much more lucrative than their consumer GPU market they may just shrug their shoulders and keep on keeping on. Odd turn of events for AMD this time around. With their 5000 series CPUs and 6000 series GPUs they made both Intel and Nvidia really stand up and take notice. 6900xt full on competed with the 3090 and the 5000 series CPUs were flat out better than 10th and 11th so Intel and Nvidia had to respond in kind. Of course that is exactly what they did and ADL quickly knocked AMD back to pricing reality and Nvidia just ADA crushed them but I still do feel AMD can compete in the lower tiers at least where the true volume sales reside if they want to adjust pricing like they did with their CPUs. It isn't like the 7900xt/xtx are bad GPUs at all. I like this XFX a lot if it was priced appropriately. They just need a price adjustment if their goal is to truly compete and win market share.

I'm not sure what tests you're looking at in regards to rasterization of the 7900xtx vs the 4080 but it will come down to the games specifically in many cases but here was HUBs 50+ game 1440p and 4k shootout: 7900 XTX is 1% slower in 1440p and 1% faster in 4k overall. What I like most about this comprehensive shoot out is the inclusion of raster and RT along with such a wide range of games. You can find the game(s) you play and get an idea if they happen to be on this chart. For example, if you play CoD MW II, a 7900xtx is a very compelling choice. On the other hand if you're all about Metro Exodus.... Not sure why they included CP2077 but not RT enabled. Their few RT inclusions were hand picked which I did not like. They would have done a better presentation to present a pure raster chart and a pure RT chart for clarity. But even looking at their range of games tested and the massive potential percent difference (from +42% for the 7900xtx to -39% for the 4080) It will come down to the applications/games used but lets take RT out of the equation for WoW. 7900xtx is only ~26% faster than a 3080 10GB with RT disabled. To me, that isn't worth the upgrade as it doesn't get me where I want to go even in rasterization vs a 3080 10GB. RT is important to me especially in the newer Dragon Isles content as it is much more front and center. 4080 would have been >100fps vs ~76fps on the 7900xtx but more importantly those .01 and 1 lows would not have been nearly as bad. Having seen and played on a 4090 in WoW, I'd estimate the 4080 would be hitting around 110-120fps on average with RT enabled. I even did a clean install of W11 on another drive to give the 7900XTX its own complete, fresh, clean environment and performance was basically the same to the W10 DDU install (Score 1 for DDU). My base objective is 100fps avg everywhere (higher is better) on my 144hz display and no crazy 1% or .01% lows where I would also like to see at least >100fps so even if it dips down it won't really be noticeable to me. 3080 10GB = ~97fps vs 7900XTX = ~122fps average with RT off. Turn RT on and both cards are right around ~76fps with dips even lower. Even if I was running with RT off, it wouldn't be worth the price paid (and that was with a 10% off code so $1079.99 + tax, free shipping). While actually playing with the 7900xtx today it was the same "ugh" moments as the 3080 when you hit those problematic dips with RT on just not quite as bad as the .01 and 1 lows are a smidge better. 4090 will be here next week and having already seen a Suprim X 4090 air cooled model in action with WoW on my bud's 12900ks system, I know what to expect. After playing on his system for 20-30 minutes and watching the fps locked at 144hz everywhere and no dips below 100fps no matter what I finally admitted defeat and just picked up a 4090 instead of trying to shoehorn in a 7900xtx or contemplate a 4080 to save some coin and compromise. I didn't even bother picking up the 4080 and cancelled it. If I get a chance in the future somehow I wouldn't mind testing a 4080 to just add to my 5120x1440 data.