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Oh I'm making zero excuses for Nvidia. They are behaving exactly as I would expect a for profit corporation to behave. Their objective is to sell and maximize profits. Until consumers stop buying their products enough to make them compete / adjust it will always be business as usual. Unfortunately Nvidia keeps delivering generation after generation and the 4090 is a beast....an absolute wrecking ball of a GPU. My problem is with the price:performance of the 4080. Hopefully we see the market not embrace it as enthusiastically and at least force Nvidia to adjust their product stack from the 4080 on down especially when AMD launches their 7900 series which looks to curb stomp the 4080 16GB and compete in spots with the 4090. Give it a little time. With so many market conditions changed versus last time, I fully expect Q1 2023 (~Feb) to be a different story. I could be wrong (see: 7900XTX 😁) but I'm just not seeing the same outlier conditions as with the 3000 series.

Little bit over a month. ~33 days..... really nowhere deep into the new product cycle. Here is this guy who OBVIOUSLY has the hookup selling on eBay (look at his completed sales and items): https://www.ebay.com/itm/115577457663?epid=7057049227&hash=item1ae8f40bff:g:8owAAOSwfN1jVxjE&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoAlRUfjXQ0vKLhDa%2B1Xn3e7bInfjBUL5kVMwmdm%2Fb95JXSFGWeTxLGTdxgy8uASmWuBd3kIxX%2FFP1gwy2HmZMKm0qA5merJf52X2fmM739Gbu6jm%2Byse%2F6nB1Tk%2BWVzz1Ytdmt3zFNw3FP3hentpxe%2FTXKP8sdCcjKr9jX2eulGFWOdfkKCDiQ6YeCl%2BM9ixOsvmwvf1r1EH6gU2dAR3IV0%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4rQw-KPYQ He has been selling 4090 FEs since October 24th to now (~20 days) and while he has sold a large chunk, he still has 4 left. Look at his sold units and they are holding steady at ~2200-2300 each. If this was during the Crypto-Boom, those would have been ALL been gone at a higher price in less than 48hrs.

@johnksss The opening monologue dedicated to your Zotac escapades. 🤣

I was going to sneak (clumsily) it into the wife's system today since WoW is down all day for Xpac patch pre-launch events so she won't mind (in theory). 🙂 I am waiting on a 12400 to finish building out a gaming rig I was going to test the A380 against it and set it up here for my daughter to play in my ever persistent quest to get her to switch to a desktop from her laptop. Basically set up a nice gaming rig with a Dell 25" 240hz gaming display I have on hand, decent cans good KB/M and let her game like it's meant to be played and if she suddenly says, "Oh I like this. How do I get this setup?" Just smile and give it to her and go set it up at her place. ♥️

My takeaway from De8auer's 4080 review: Unlike before with the Strix 3080/3090, there are massive differences between PCB designs and cut downs. One great thing about the Strix 3080 is it was basically the 3090 from cooler to PCB. 4080 just isn't worth it if you have a 3090. It just isn't worth going through the hassle of selling at a loss then re-purchasing for that gain. 4080 makes the 4090 look like a tremendous deal. 7900xtx at $999 is going to rofl-stomp all over the 4080 16GB. Only logical upgrade for myself is the 7900xtx or a 4090. 4000 series on the new fab is going to give us a much bigger jump on mobile GPUs than experienced in quite some time. Watching him under volt 4080 and 4090 series into the 260-330w range for 4080 and 4090 and still get the bulk of performance gives a good omen for the heavily neutered mobile versions incoming. Ampere was hot and heavy for many reasons (I'm looking at you Samsung) but with TSMC now in the building the Mobile gains will be substantial. My biggest fear as always is deal breaking coil whine. Even he pointed out that 4080 monster coil whine it was so excessive and speculated as to why based on board design. My Strix 3080 would whine but only >200fps. My KPE 3090 was near silent and only came to life >~300fps. KPE 3090ti? It just won't whine. Even uncapped and in FO76 toggle where pull jumps to 450w+ and fps 400+ it just won't whine. Even overclocking and benching it won't whine. I always had great luck with EVGA cards with coil whine but the KPE 3090ti is the pinnacle of just staying silent regardless of what I've thrown at it so moving to a 7900xtx or 4090 is of great concern (under statement). One reason I keep dragging my feet (besides the acceptable performance and aesthetics 🙂 ). Here he is actually addressing the amount of coil whine and how he wouldn't even purchase a card like this. I have crazy frequency sensitive ears (I hear security systems, monitor whines and test off the charts at my ENT, etc...) and sit right next to my PC. Even with ANC headphones, I can hear even minimal coil whine and it literally makes my head want to explode and nauseous.

I am fully ensconced in FO76 and the WoW Xpac is launching in two weeks and I've been getting ready for that too. They occupy all my game time atm. 🙂 I'm in that weird place with my 3090ti....it is doing its job but I'm still going to list it at a price I'm willing to sell it atm. 🙂 Worst case scenario it sells and I head up to MC on the 13th and snag a 7900xtx. I would just use my Strix 3080 to tide me over and move the A770 into the wife's system.

Hey, how to get a 13900k free AND pocket $500-600 to apply towards a 4090.... Congrats!

I only use copper / aftermarket IHS for laptops if they provide a bit of extra height for poor heatsinks. Outside of that, it is always the stock IHS on desktops just with a good smattering of delids when needed. Glad things ended up working out.

Very nice! Glad to see the G2 opening up and CR1 to boot! I was thinking of selling my Strix D4 + memory setup too and starting fresh and going full DDR5 finally. We're on the same wavelength (again). 🙂

The parameters are different this time around. We are back to Turing conditions. No Crypto-boom along with no Pandemic or logistical conditions deriving thereof. Tomorrow will be officially one month since 4090 launch. What we saw before was AMD and Nvidia weren't holding anything back. They were literally pumping out as many GPUs as possible and still couldn't keep anything in stock. Unless something suddenly introduces new conditions (TSMC issues or another crypto-boom being the biggest potentials), all the perceived "holding back" will not stop the demand curve from shrinking unlike before where it was impossible to exhaust because even at inflated prices slamming any decent GPU into a rig was a money making device. If/when 4090 prices suddenly jump and move consistently > $3k on eBay/StockX then you will know we are somewhat in previous conditions. So many variables are against previous market conditions repeating themselves but like I said before the scarcity PTSD from 2019 to early 2022 still linger. ~Feb 2023 will be the first checksum on market conditions.

You can always get a refund on S&H. It just can take a bit if that is about the $107.

I definitely trust Falkentyne. He's a straight shooter to a fault in all the good ways. I'm not saying CENS wouldn't be on the up and up but I'd pass or do F&F and want the motherboard before I ship anything out in light up that update. Worse case scenario? You keep a fantastic CPU specimen. It's a great chip. Enjoy it!

LOL, one way to find out! 😂🤣

I'm more curious about the 18" form factor than anything on this one....

This. My only dilemma is 3090ti prices are up even for generic models on eBay (makes sense, considering the entire product cycle of the 3090ti was much shorter than the 3090) and I have to fight the temptation to sell my KPE 3090ti for $2k'ish and basically end up with a free PSU out of the whole thing because it is running nice and sweet but I know a 4090 or 7900xtx would basically lock me into a near flat 140fps everywhere in WoW (144hz display capped at 140fps). I have a brand new EVGA Z690 Classified too sitting on the shelf and they are going for $400+ on eBay again. Tempted to sell that also.... .....like you and your 13900kf. 🙂

Exactly with the recession and that is the rub. If the recession deepens (which it will), this demand curve will flatten sooner than later. Right now, the initial surge of demand is outpacing the slowly deepening of the recession but it will reach its equilibrium point sooner than later. If we see a black friday sale on GPUs it will be lower end Ampere cards. 3090 and 3090ti's are basically out of stock everywhere or close to it but I see plenty of 3050-3070 stock in many places. Good time for a final "mark down" and clear it out. Ampere and Turing went through the same thing on release. Initial sell out then low/no availability. Everyone starts to panic because of previous cycle PTSD but we are literally less than a month in still (October 12th) on a new product cycle. Less than a month in and eBay/StockX prices are nowhere near the 3k+ people were paying for 3090s. Absolutely. 1080ti ($699) -> 2080ti ($999) -> 3090 ($1499) -> 4090 ($1599) top end halo products priced ridiculously high but the generational performance leap is one of the highest yet the price increase is one of the lowest but we can't ignore that the massive price hike damage was done already. 4080? $699-->$1199. Jensen is doing to the second tier now what he did to the top tier before to bring it inline with already crazy high pricing. If he has his way, a 4070 will normalize to previous second tier pricing where we'll feel lucky to pay $699+ for a 4070/ti. Best case scenario is 6 months from now stock is flush, sales continue to stagnate or decrease and Nvidia has to re-evaluate their position both current cards and future generations. When pushed, we saw what can happen (3090ti $1999 -> $1099), albeit all 3090ti's are creeping back up in cost now when you can find them.

Reasons: #1. Still early in product launch #2. 4090 "scarcity" (Prices on eBay are nowhere near what they were deep in the Crypto-Pandemic boom for 3090's) #3. Worldwide inflation (If people in the US think we're the only ones, take a look around) #4. Worldwide recession (See above) #5. Holiday/buyers season Once we get to Jan/Feb 2023 we will have an accurate picture of market conditions without Crypto upending everything along with the Pandemic, then the whole China thing and more. I see some things I potentially want but right now I am even more entrenched in a firm hold pattern till next year (in theory 🙂 ) as early market conditions sort themselves out. Of course I also said this too in the Fall of 2020 then ended up getting a 3090 FE in late October 2020 when one popped up on Best Buy.....so there's that. 🙂 While I still think the 3090 was overpriced at $1499.99 on launch there is no denying using that as a comparison, the 4090 offers an overall average 60% uptick in performance for $100 more even with CPI adjustment. It is a "good" value relatively speaking to Ampere. 4080 is overpriced hot garbage.

Yeah I would definitely take that deal. Z790 Dark is going to be $800+ all on its own when it makes its way to being offered on top of $1050 + S&H. That's nearly a $2k sale when all is said and done. That is righteous and I'm so happy for you bro! Good stuff to good people. 🙂

Oh well hello there..... Intel making an MXM module for their A380 too? Interesting addition to the mix.

My initial thoughts were PoE and a cross-over cable issue too but @Etern4l was on the money with those first two questions. There is always the possibility of a surge/short somewhere that went through your system (or the wife's) and grounded out through the port. My next step would be to use a real hub/switch to connect the systems again or place them closer with a shorter run. I see you used the native ports so there was no chance of a PCIe surge through a NIC.

Something to play around with later even though I still have the A380 on the shelf too....

Apparently EVGA made ~20 4090 Prototypes and GN has one now too for a true breakdown:

And the Lawyer "fact finding" part of the 4090 class action sniffing about starts.... This popped up on my Facebook:

The build up and suspense...even including a collapsed spoiler window for a big 'ole nothing burger...... .....well played. 🙂

So you're keeping the Zotrash 2000? 🤣 Man..... Seeing that EVGA pre-production 4090 is like a dagger to the heart. 😞 I wish they could have found a way to work with Nvidia, but I understand on many levels why they gave Nvidia the proverbial bird and jumped ship.