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It is nearly impossible to get humans to not be greedy when that is how we've been programmed to be for quite some time especially in this capitalistic existence we currently inhabit. As for 4090's.... With the way cards are trickling in today, best bet is to refresh a 4090 focused page and move fast. If you're focused on a particular brand, just select those specifically. I know I picked MSI and Asus as there were no other makers I would contemplate to keep the list short and sweet but if you're open to any brand, your options do open up. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=4841 100007709&d=rtx+4090&isdeptsrh=1&Order=1

I will say Scalpers aren't as all over them as much as during launch and real buyers are getting in on the action. Unlike before where they lasted a few seconds they now last minutes.... .....progress. 🙂

You and I have long known that diminishing returns is the name of the game for top end hardware but still went for it anyhow. The problem now is the top end hardware is insanely expensive and there is a clear and present danger of AMD and Nvidia trying to shift up the MSRP on the lower tiers. Even motherboard prices have exploded in the last 3-4 years in the mid tier range along with top end prices going through the roof. With so many motherboard makers I do wish everything would shift back down at least a bit. I remember thinking $500 was outlandish for a motherboard but clearly I was conservative in my estimations a few years back as prices have continued to track up and even now EVGA's top end boards are $800. With so many makers and variety all centered around the same chipset though you get some breathing room. Whether it is a $250 or $1000 board, it is still using Z790/X670E and many boards overclock just as well or close enough to the top end that outside of exotic cooling, it will be your chip that reaches its limits not the motherboard (See Gigabyte $250-300 X670E / MSI Z790 Pro boards which rock for OC). GPUs? Unfortunately Nvidia simply controls the narrative and even AIBs are in a bind pricing and custom design wise there is only so much they can do because Nvidia is a control freak. Toss in insane pricing and here we are. The biggest disappointment to me still is AMD. Always the perpetual underdog and pricing king keeping Intel and Nvidia somewhat honest. The first moment they bring to market real competitive products they promptly mark their pricing upwards too both CPU and GPU to try to extract maximum value versus lower profit margins and go for real marketshare gains. They then basically stretch the truth in their marketing too on top of it. I guess they figure if Nvidia and Intel can do it why can't they? It's amazing to think we're quickly approaching the one year anniversary of these forums. I am so glad and thankful they exist and work so well and took up the mantle of the old NBR forums quite nicely. It is still a pleasant surprise when you see old NBR members discover these forums and announce their arrival. We still have a few mom and pop shops holding on. Our biggest one tried to branch off into business sales and support and sacrificed their "mom and pop" audience and closed up shop a few years ago. Problem is I've found personally is that by the time a customer/client gets to me it is out of general disgust from having tried to get their PC fixed by Best Buy / Staples and then not having it done properly if at all along with the costs. Word of mouth usually leads them to my inbox. I also do a lot of builds and support for family, friends and guildies. It's very small and moreso because I enjoy it not for profitability nor would I ever want to open up a storefront for the extra overhead and responsibility. Zotac 4090 in stock at Newegg as I finish this up: ZOTAC AMP Extreme AIRO GeForce RTX 4090 Video Card ZT-D40900B-10P - Newegg.com

They need to make a @Papusan CROC edition! 😅🤣😂

Newegg has had the Gigabyte 4090 drifting in and out of stock today: https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gv-n4090gaming-oc-24gd/p/N82E16814932550?Item=N82E16814932550 MSI has one model of their 4090 in stock on their website the $1699.99 Gaming X Trio https://us-store.msi.com/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GPU/GeForce-RTX-40-Series/4090-Z790-CARBON-WIFI-Gaming-Kit-s360?sort=p.price&order=ASC Looks like they're forcing a bundle purchase (MB and AIO) to get it.....ewww.

Give it a Timespy and Cinebench R23 run and see how it stacks up.

Then it could very likely be the sticks. Only way to tell is to grab a pair of 3200 sticks for comparison at this point as you've done everything possible including throwing what is a sane amount of Vmem at it along with loosening up your timings to scale frequency. One good thing about these Corsair 3800 sticks. You know they're not the limiter. It let me D2D scale my P870TM1 to 3466 while also realizing my X170SM was tapping out at 3200.

Congrats, that's a solid card and one of my favorites. I'm a sucker for Sapphire's Nitro line up. So what's the total system specs going to be?

If ~$600 is your limit start looking through 6900xt's you want and look for sellers that allow best offers and send them $600 offers. I'm sure one will sell. You can also message new listings too and offer ~$600.

Yeah I was definitely referring to the X670E. Only B series I've used was a Gigabyte on my brother's mATX build (B550 w/ 5600x) he is still using. I keep looking at this XFX 7900XTX in my case atm and it is a great sample all around and I am fighting hard to not do a complete X3D buildout but I feel like I'm losing the battle. 🤣

EVGA Z790 Dark Unboxing video. Available now on EVGA for $800. EVGA Z790 Dark hitting 9200 on DDR5:

Not really in the here and now but if you plan on keeping this build for 2-5yrs it will be in the future. If this is a long term build, I'd go with the Carbon. I was looking at MSI boards just yesterday contemplating keeping this XFX 7900XTX and doing a 7800X3D build out along the lines of having an A770 build for Intel (the wife uses it) to go along with my Nvidia build.

Well in their defense it is an aftermarket design not the reference model but now you can get a better model for the same price! 🙂 So yeah...kinda. Throw in a 10% off code on top of it and get it for $810.00 if you are US based too.

Fn+D on power on should technically reset the CMOS/BIOS but sometimes you will need to remove the CMOS and battery. When doing memory tuning I tend to remove both as I know I'm going to be doing a lot of note taking and experience a lot of blank screens requiring a reset. Then all you have to do is unplug the power cable(s) to auto reset the unit. Did you loosen up the timings too? It can definitely be the kit just can't go any higher than 2667 but make sure to relax your timings and set your Vmem to ~1.35 at least.

Such a monstrous beauty. If you're into raw performance and big screens, this will effectively kill off every last true "DTR" Clevo model out there in every aspect (except noise maybe) as the 4090 mobile model represents the first major leap in performance in quite a while since Turing. That i9-13980HX is going to be a wrecking ball for multi.

Serious price cut to the Merc 7900xt to $899.99 from $999.99 and $20 on reference model less than a month into launch on BB. This will eventually trickle upward to the 4070ti and 4080 unless Jensen just doesn't care and will be hard headed with his pricing. It isn't as if the 4070ti isn't a decent gaming card....just overpriced: Followed up with just overall a whole bunch of "meh" if you have a 3080 or greater card.....

That's how I run my Corsair 3800 SODIMMS DDR4 in my X170SM-G at 14-14-14 with tightened terts too.

More affirmation.... If you have a 3090 or 3090ti, the 4080 is a non starter (along with the 7900xtx).... 4090 or nothing....

If that's Prema, you should be able to just go right in and adjust the custom timings and frequencies to your liking. Standard bin scaling till it tops out (expect 3200, hope for more). Set Vmem to ~1.45v just for some headroom while scaling and loosen those timings to 22-22-22 so you can see how far the memory and system board will go frequency wise. @Clamibot approach works too but I just like to front load the Vmem and take it out of the equation and scale that way and once I find out how much it can scale (frequency/timings) I then start to dial in the best Vmem.

Every CPU has variances in regards to how much power they require and how hot they run. Heat output variances is a byproduct of power requirements it pulls at a given frequency. Some chips can handle a better undervolt than others and as a result run cooler. Some chips just run hotter at the same power requirements as other chips. You want to find a good sample that isn't power hungry, can handle a decent undervolt to reduce power consumption even more and runs as cool as possible given the cooling constraints of the X170SM-G. I think somewhere in this thread I have a post testing at least 4-5 10900k's and showing how they can greatly vary in regards to power and heat.

As much as they don't want it to happen, the market is correcting. We saw this with memory (DDR5 is plummeting in price), storage, CPUs (hello AMD) and now we'll see it with GPUs especially 2nd tier cards that are grossly overpriced. The only problem might be Jensen's stubborness. Look at how he managed to keep 3080 and below cards at or near MSRP even now with a glut of cards. He can do the same with 4000 series. Worst case scenario for consumers is you build up inventory and let it trickle out while you sell to other segments of the market. We need the glut of ADA cards to be so severe he has to cut prices or the bean counters step in and come to the conclusion sales are down regardless of cuts so keep it as is. 7900xt / 4080 / 4070ti are just simply priced too high and as we move deeper into the new year it will start to show. I've been saying over and over since October 2022 that ~Feb 2023 is when we will start to get real clarity. Now if only something could correct the motherboard market pricing....

If you're not happy with MSI overall why take a chance? Wait for an Asus Strix 4090 if that's what you want. I do know my bud's Suprim X 4090 air cooled model memory clocks to 1950 no problem. I'll be the first to admit if price is no object, I'd probably grab a ROG too. People get wrapped up (rightly so) on costs, but the first thing I do with all new hardware offerings is rank them on desirability then re-rank them on cost vs desirability. 🙂 I wouldn't get a Zotac simply because I can't have @johnksss smirking and gloating at me. 🙂 Never pay more than MSRP (or close to it) and never, ever buy from a 3rd party scalper who is a parasite and purposely buying up cards to jack up the prices and resell. Routinely "anti-consumer" results in "pro-profits" for resellers and we know it's all about the profits. Newegg is no different than Amazon, Walmart or eBay in this scenario allowing third party sellers to scarf up inventory and relist at jacked up prices for their marketplace cut. They also get a cut from the initial sale too. What card are you looking for to upgrade your current GPU?

System is on its way as I type. Didn't get it out till 1/3/2023. I asked Zoltan to let the techs know to not use K5 Pro but standard thermal pads and clean up all that mess as that stuff was a moist, weird, degrading mess that seemed to start oozing an oil type substance. When I get it back, I'll clean up the VRMs too and just use standard thermal pads there too if they don't clean that up and use thermal pads.

You would probably have better luck upgrading to a golden 10900k as those do pop up from time to time but more importantly the best bins from Intel were assigned to 10900k chips in general. You can ask on various forums for golden samples but for our use in X170SM/KM chassis, low pull and not leaky are priorities. I've tested a few chips including an SP114 that would have rocked on a competent desktop but in the X170SM-G was a lower vcore but hotter running chip than my golden SP101. I've tested ~8 10900k's now and the Silicon Lottery 10900k I have SP101 still reigns supreme even over an LTX limited golden 10900k and the SP114 I tested (all were delidded). But as long as you lock down a known good sample it will most likely be better than a raw out of the box chip unless you just get a crazy lucky pull like @Ashtrix who bought a boxed retail sample and it was an SP113.

NP. I really like this XFX both aesthetics, cooling, noise levels, no coil whine and more. It has crazy build quality and runs as intended even at stock hitting 2600+ on the clocks. It just is (as of now) a very poor WoW GPU. Figure out what programs and games you want to prioritize and especially for Linux as @Mr. Fox mentioned and it is a solid choice if it fits your criteria. Whoa, this makes the KP Z690 just like an even better buy! Nice!