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Run down of all the 4090 cards announced so far (AKA Size Matters):

True the 3090ti design fixes all the flaws and potential problems of the 3090 with a small uplift on top. Benefits of end cycle refinements. Still doesn't wash the taste out of my mouth as they should have released it from the get go if able. Looking at their stack, even dismissing all the fluff numbers, the 4090 is a monster of a card but knowing a true Ti level card is lurking with 2000 more CUDAs gives me pause plus early adopter costs. The market will be much clearer End of Q1 2023. AMD has just been bringing it the last 2-3 years both CPU and GPU in terms of growth and performance. Hopefully RDNA3 is as much of a beast compared to RDNA2 as RDNA2 was to RDNA. 5700xt -> 6900xt was serious growth. Whatever gets Jensen shaking in his leather jacket, price adjust and release the 4090ti sooner than later. At the rate the power consumption is growing, we will eventually end up with a two handed GPU that slots in and uses 4-5 retention screws.....4 slot cards just spilling gobsmackingly amounts of heat into your case. Don't mind me, I'm jaded. The way that FTW 3090ti ran and turned my case and room into a sauna (and was loud too under load) just left a sour taste in my mouth. Look at the size of that Gigabyte! (We're gonna need a bigger boat... 🙂 )

The real challenge for Nvidia will be can they still expect those prices with no Miners, recession, inflation, used market glut and plenty of 3000 owners (and even 2000 owners still) not looking to upgrade? After the initial wave of early adopters, it will be interesting to see how the market pans out post holidays. I am also very interested to see what AMD has to offer too (on both fronts).

I've been looking through all the models and my initial assessment still stands. The only one (so far) that catches my eye is the Colorful Neptune 4090. Immediate ideas of a Gundam/Robotech White and silver vertical build danced through my head:

This. Nvidia has so many other markets captured outside of consumer cards that we slowly see them taking control of the consumer markets now with their fixed AIB pricing while also offering their own cards too. As AIB pricing and FE pricing slowly inch towards each other (IE, raw GPU/Mem fabs vs full on the shelf FE products), AIBs will have to jack up their prices to remain profitable to an extent that it makes no sense to spend 10-20% more for their model when you can grab an Nvidia model for much less. Next step is for Nvidia to prioritize allotments to their own products and dole out what's left to AIBs. EVGA had the right idea and as numerous charts have shown, AIB profits plummet year after year while Nvidia's rise. If Nvidia wants full vertical control this is the right way to achieve it. Not outright ban AIBs but focus on their own FEs and make AIB pricing unappealing till they start to jump ship due to pricing and other practices that result in at best razor thin margins at worst losses. If you aren't an AMD fan, now is the time to start putting them on your radar along with backing Intel. For family and friends build outs I think I am going to start using them instead when able. DISCLAIMER: If EVGA comes back to Nvidia, all bravado and chest pumping is potentially null and void... 😁

Having had the Strix and now having the NH55 AND Dell Precision 7770 (so three laptops with full fat core counts), what is your general consensus across the board?

I'm definitely waiting to see what AMD has to offer both CPU and GPU before I would make any kind of moves I've never been a fan of nor will I ever use DLSS. I do like RT but WoW DF beta has kept it to just shadows like before and cleaned up their code base FO76 doesn't even push my 3090ti above 150w full 4k everything to ultra We knew the price hike was coming but the major scum move is introducing some oddly tiered 3080 w/ cut down cores and less memory and charging $900.......yeah we can all spot what should have been the $599 3070.... I like their charts where they are pressing HARD to show RT/DLSS gains as rasterization gains (which we know are being shown in their best light) are......ok. You will most likely need the full fat 3080 16gb and above to beat a 3090ti outright. Like you said, this is AMD's time to strike. I expect if AMD comes out with performance at or slightly greater than Nvidia in Rasterization and other areas that we will get the 4090ti sooner than later. With EVGA out of the picture, my enthusiasm for the 4000 series has dropped massively. As for the other AIBs, the only card so far that looks compelling is the Colorful Neptune 360mm AIO. All of the others are massive case thermonuclear reactors. MSI has an AIO model but it has a 240mm.....ok.....

I like it. It's a KPE 3090 on steroids and better binned than my KPE 3090. Sold my KPE 3090 on ebay for $2800. Bought it originally direct from EVGA for $1999. Bought the KPE 3090ti for $2499.99 but after contacting EVGA CS a few times after the price drop to $1999.99 at the time they refunded me the $500 difference PLUS the associates code 3% on top making it $1924.99 so I was ok with that since they didn't have to. That included the 1600w PSU which I actually needed as my best PSU was a 1000w Seasonic and a 850w EVGA which both lacked the PCIe ports I needed. Basically an upgrade from my KPE 3090 to a 3090ti, plus a bit back AND 1 600w PSU. I'm content and the WoW Beta and FO76 aren't even stressing it at 4k. Actually FO76 doesn't even push it above 150w and Blizzard seems to have optimized their code finally which is nice but we will see with the final launch. With all the EVGA/Nvidia problems along with my two main games having no problems at 4k with it I'm definitely skipping the 5000 series. Downside of course is if you want to block it that's a no go. 🙂 I wouldn't block it, but after having a FTW 3090ti in my case for a week, I will never put a furnace of that level inside a cased system ever again. In the future it will always be hybrids or a potential block.

Sniff....

Forgot the "of GPU" (which we know is low to none) lol... The 2% sales for motherboards and misc was the one I found jaw dropping. I assumed their motherboard business (even with them being habitually late to market) was greater than that. With the data as presented, I can see why they cut ties with Nvidia and focus on a proper downsize while deciding what they want to do next. They can continue as a small, tightly run PSU, MB and misc company while they decide on another GPU venture that yields better control and profitability. I do hope they go with AMD. A K|NGP|N 7900xt or 8900xt would be righteous but I just feel like they will somehow work out their differences enough to after optimizing they will come back around to Nvidia for the 5000 series. It definitely is a combination of objective and subjective reasons but this has clearly been brewing for some time as Jensen and Nvidia have become a tiresome problem to work with but it isn't as if AMD doesn't make their own cards too so there is a bit of competition with AIBs there.

According to GN video (as reported by EVGA and personal extrapolation): ~78% of sales are GPU (but low to no profitability) ~20% of sales are PSU (300% profitability) ~2% are motherboards and misc (this is surprising) 20% layoff makes sense as they informed Nvidia in April 2022 their intentions to sever their partnership. Nvidia had almost 5 months to make right and didn't. Wondering where Vince will go? Facts as told to Steve: Primary reason for terminating partnership = can't compete with Nvidia and FE editions and pricing down along with Nvidia not listening finalized with EVGA losing hundreds per card sale from the 3080 12gb and up even with the older less severe price cuts:

I've been using EVGA GPUs since 2005/6 almost exclusively and KPEs since the 980 (skipped the 2080ti). This is going to be weird not seeing their cards from this point on. I was already talking about skipping the 4000 series and waiting for the 5000 series KPE. I expect EVGA to either offer AMD cards and/or come back on board down the line with the 5000 series. Hopefully many other AIBs will stand up and say enough is enough and demand better treatment. And I agree, I greatly enjoyed (and still enjoy) my KPE 3090 and 3090ti. I just didn't realize it was the last hurrah for their GPU offerings. 😞 Now when I'm playing FO76 or WoW this and next year I'll wistfully look towards my case and sigh knowing this is it.

It's no secret Nvidia treats their AIBs like crap....

Welcome to the club. 🙂 What did you end up going with?

Won't have to worry about that blowing away in the wind with that block....that's for sure.... ....Crocs? Not so much. 🙂 Hopefully much better results this time around.

Such is the life of a rumor monger.... 😁

Like I posted earlier, MLID has been wrong numerous times in the past.....

Looks like 4090 might be here sooner than later (fingers crossed): https://videocardz.com/newz/zotac-geforce-rtx-4090-graphics-card-has-been-leaked

It does make you wonder why Asrock was the only company releasing any type of Intel dGPU but now they are back ordered with no fill through date posted for awhile now. Looks like the first run might have been the last run but let's sit back and enjoy the ride (or crash and burn 😁) But then again MLID has been wrong plenty of times too.... Let's see how this pans out as they are still releasing the upper tier models too. What it looks like is Intel drivers and products will continue to be introduced but they are effectively exiting the enthusiast / mid-range market but will continue with Integrated/Entry and DC/AI and up.

Looking good! Since you've used the AC LF II 420 extensively, I'm interested in the differences in a decent P/P dual Rad CL comparison against all your previous test data (aka the good stuff 🙂 ).

I've been testing it and it is on par with my old 6gb 1060. It is firmly between a 1650 and 1650 Super. It is a good ENTRY level card for $140 which is exactly where it is targeted. Chop off another $20 and it becomes even moreso. It's not a magic card nor supposed to come in with crazy performance at its price point. What it does have is some seriously buggy drivers that need refinement (but continue to get them). And as @receiver said, price will dictate adoption. It is firmly priced in the entry level segment. Adjust your expectations accordingly. Clearly someone is buying them as Newegg has sold out of them 3x already and they're in back order status again.

Labor Day weekend sale from EVGA via Newegg 3090ti FTW 1099 ($900 off): https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-24g-p5-4981-kr/p/N82E16814487562

Hey! At least the pants match the Crocs (which give me a chuckle everytime 🙂 ). Looking forward to the custom water adventures @Papusan!

One of my pet peeves is numerous different subjects being addressed in the same post. I prefer individual posts responding to each person's message unless they're related to your response / flow. As for GPUs, I would definitely stick with 3000 series now with prices coming down as they are. What is your budget? That will really dial in what you can get.