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  1. electrosoft
    Agreed, plus it depends on your criteria and where you plant yourself in upgrade cycles. For example if you've been a, "I'll get a K|NGP|N and that's that," knowing you have the best EVGA has to offer for that generation and ride it to the next generation; well now you had your world upended as EVGA for the first time will have two different KPE models within the same generation to reflect Nvidia for the first time quite a long time having been pushed to the wall with AMD breathing down their necks with rasterization performance that is trading blows with the 3090 AND 3090ti depending on titles and resolution. Now we see reports of Nvidia doing the same shenanigans and releasing "close but no cigar" to their top silicon next gen 4090 and if you want the best of the best then you will have to wait for eventual 4090ti and THEN wait even longer for EVGA's KPE 4090ti unless EVGA is comfortable releasing 2x KPEs again which means if it were me I would wait till the very end of the cycle and upgrade to the best again.... .....or you just upgrade each (or every other) cycle to the x080 model. Or money is no object and in the moment you buy the best regardless of what's coming up because you're a Rockerfeller and that's how you roll..... Say what you want about AMD but they didn't hold anything back from the jump.
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    I didn't realize the shroud on the KPE 3090ti was going to be solid metal for the first time. This should look sleek and ergonomically pleasing...
  3. electrosoft
    Absolutely fantastic post bro! Definitely some classic Clevo inconsistencies as always. Looking forward to the thermal testing and scores both CPU and GPU.
  4. electrosoft
    One thing I will give Eurocom credit for is they do continue to offer complete GPU upgrades when they are available including everything you need from the proper BIOS to the screws, heatsink, thermal pads and of course the card itself.
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    Socket should be a quick fix with a mechanical pencil or sewing needle (my preferred tools for fixing bent pins). I know on my X170SM-G I ended up replacing the screws with another set that fixed a pairing issue. The back corner of my bottom cover was loose too like it had become loose. I just left it but a touch of super glue would tighten it back up Sounds like a fun project, keep us up to date on the enhancements!
  6. electrosoft
    Awesome! Glad to see it made it safe and sound. Make sure to post some pics and results bro. 💪
  7. electrosoft
    IIRC, You will need to potentially dremel down a small section of the original heatsink to make it fit properly. Maybe 1" to 1.5" section but I do know Eurocom offers a compatible heatsink to match their GPU upgrades. Are you getting your heatsink from them too?
  8. electrosoft
    Watching Biso Biso work some fun times with his EVGA KP 3090 TI:
  9. electrosoft
    Unfortunately this is very true...
  10. electrosoft
    The problem is your binning criteria is going to be different than a traditional binning process so you will need to ask potential sellers if they can at least do a pure auto run at stock or if it is a 12900ks seller adjust their core clocks down to match a 12900k. Maybe see if they are willing to lock in long and short 125w PLs which will automatically lock in and limit both 12900k and 12900ks chips and give them a CB23 run to get an idea of their scores at that 125w PL. Thermal characteristics vary by cooling mechanisms but anyone who has a 12900k on their desktop will be able to cool it easily at PL125w taking heat out of the equation. You are looking for a 12900k/12900ks (At PL125w they are basically equal in regards to this testing criteria) that runs exceptionally low pull and less leaky in a specific PL125 window. This means normal binning procedures may not apply. Like the 12900ks I had which was an SP94 and was definitely better than my SP91 12900k >=5.3 but couldn't touch it when you were looking for a low pull / less heat. No matter what I did ~175w was the lowest it would go at 4.9. Leaky chips also come into play as some will throw out more heat than others at that PL125w window. To put my 12900k in perspective. That same 180w cooler when running CB23 with a 12100f heated up to ~60c pulling 65w yet my 12900k only heated up to 65c pulling 125w with 2x the P cores and 8 e cores but it is well known 12100f's are garbage bins because they can be because they're 4/8 P-cores only and even bad bins can be cooled by ok air coolers. Luckily, you already have the laptop which is the ultimate test bed. Pick up a few more 12900k's and pop them in and start differentiating one 12900k from the others and documenting the differences. Start with pure stock and jump to a -0.050uV and continue down in -0.020uV intervals. When it finally fails/BSODs back off to the previous interval and have it pass multiple runs of CB23 and other stressors to lock it in. If you're going to set up a desktop test bed I'd suggest at least an Asus Z690-A Prime or Strix D4 at the min so you can at least get the SP rating to go along with your testing. You can further simulate a limited environment by going with a cooler like this which is rated right around 125w (ish) or similar: https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-L9x65-Premium-Low-Profile-Cooler/dp/B00VB3Y89E/ref=asc_df_B00VB3Y89E/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309776868400&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1157509063284803367&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003918&hvtargid=pla-386303669508&psc=1
  11. electrosoft
    I suspect the 12600 will run into the exact same issues as the 12900 as a non-k bin I would not be happy if Clevo isn't giving full W10 support but there might be a way to get it to work hopefully. Yeah, I binned multiple chips. 1x Amazon, 1x Newegg, 3x Best Buy, 1x an Alienware OEM. All binned and tested in my Strix Z690 D4. The Newegg chip was the best of the bunch. It ran well enough that I even sold off an SP94 12900ks at cost to a buddy as on the top end for day to day it only ran 1 bin higher (5.2 vs 5.1). Both could do 5.3 all core (KS did it at ~30w less though) and both turned into uncontrollable monsters at 5.4 pulling 330w+ which overpowered my AIO. This SP91 from Newegg was the clear winner hands down. Setting even the 12900ks to stock 12900k clocks, it couldn't touch this SP91 and required 175w when dialed in vs the 155-162w on this SP91 12900k. I think I even mentioned it in the Desktop thread on the old forums when I was binning this one the first thing that popped into my head was, "Damn I wish Clevo was making a 12th gen laptop. This chip is golden for that form factor." And I'll take 90% desktop performance in that form factor all day. In an X170 / P870 style chassis this chip would blaze and run full tilt with the 200w PL and heatsink in those monsters.
  12. electrosoft
    For your thermal limits (PL125 / PL150) a NH-D15S is more than sufficient. I just finished swapping everything over to my mentioned hardware above to test and the 180w single fan aluminum air cooler I listed above was more than sufficient for testing and never broke ~65c. As for testing, locking in a PL of 125w and everything on auto no uV or LL calibrations resulted in a CB23 score of 24056 and a max temp of 65c which beats HWU 12900k same motherboard and test by ~1000 points as it is giving a little more punch at the same power threshold. Playing a bit with LLC, since PL is locked you don't get a dynamic trade off and greater Vdroop = lower scores. So it looks like at least a somewhat optimal score for a PL125 lock would be ~24k which is only ~3k off of a normal 12900k running stock. The cores were clocking in around 4.3-4.4 on average running @ PL125.
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    I was wondering how the fans worked/sounded under normal use. The poor X170KM had so much against it from super hot 11900k chips to a less than optimized cooling system to a locked down BIOS and more. I said it in the other forums, but going from a Prema enabled, hardware modded X170SM-G to the KM was an exercise in frustration getting the 11900k to run full tilt which I did get going with no throttling but relying on CCC was nails on the chalkboard. The 12900k locked in at PL 125w should/could produce a CB23 score of a low of ~18810 up to ~23000 if thermal constraints aren't an issue and depending on sample. This is from a review of budget boards from HWU and you can see the range of scores achieved (VRM temps pictured) after ~1hr CB23 so you are definitely in the ballpark for PL1 limits: The board I have is the Asrock B660 Pro RS which definitely enforces 125w limits. The air cooler installed is this model with a 180w TDP. Right now it is keeping a 12100f(65w) ice cold: http://www.idcooling.com/Product/detail/id/276/name/SE-214-XT ARGB I'm trying to get a window of time to swap it over and test. I had the 12100f system up for sale but I took it down just so I could run these tests before putting it back up The only problem is reproducing any potential thermal constraints since at PL 125w you are seeing some thermal issues. If you do pick up another (unless they're near identical silicon) you will immediately see a potential difference using stock and then matching uV steppings.
  14. electrosoft
    I have no plans on getting one till RPL where hopefully I'll just pick up a used/discounted unit and slide my 12900k right on down and then build out either an RPL or AMD 7000. Hopefully in the next 5-7 months a lot of potential and issues will be worked out and addressed to really extract as much power from this lil dynamo as possible. It is already beating 12900hk systems so we're already up. @win32asmguy how are the fans when just using it normally? I know my X170SM-G is basically nearly silent and only comes to life when gaming or stressing.
  15. electrosoft
    Stock is flush, sales slowed, prices coming down rapidly and now they're unlocked.....shocker.
  16. electrosoft
    $999.99 brand new..... With the 6950xt launching soon (and ASrock having a Formula OC 6950xt announced), the pricing on what will basically be the same model (both use XTXH) has hit as near rock bottom as it is going to get....
  17. electrosoft
    How is operation, "Fix the X170KM-G" coming along?
  18. electrosoft
    You work, take care of at home responsibilities (many of us have wives and children (some grown)) and do as you want in your free time. I'm online most of the day so responding or frequenting websites and forums can be integrated while working.
  19. electrosoft
    Huge Kitaro fan since 1988. These are two of my favorites I still listen to on the regular when coding....
  20. electrosoft
    Popped my old WD SN850 500GB in my X170SM-G and it keeps borking out after installing chip drivers in W10 regardless of what version I install. W11 works fine but I don't want that. Popped my old 256GB stock SSD in there and no problems. Popped a 1TB 980 Pro in there as a test and no problems. Popped an SN750 in there no problems. It just doesn't like the SN850 500GB for some reason. The SN850 works fine on my Z690 and Z590 motherboards.
  21. electrosoft
    They're not affiliated with Clevo in any, way, shape or form but a reseller instead; I do remember them being a persistent presence on the old NBR forums with no bad rep. Hopefully we can get some company reps to join these forums as they continue to grow for some direct representation. You might be able to make an offer to Eurocom for one of their 2070 or 2080 cards. Since you're running a Dsanke'd P775DM3-G that should work with a potentially needed vbios flash from the old thread. $662USD for a 2070 and they are open to offers: https://www.ebay.com/itm/115286036036?hash=item1ad7954e44:g:cc4AAOSw7F9iVaR1
  22. electrosoft
    At least Prema is on the horizon.... I just tried to force limits on my Asus Z690 and just like my Asus Z590 it won't listen. Whether I enforce all limits, remove all limits or let BIOS optimize it basically ignores Intel's PLs and does its own thing. Even going into the aux CPU menu to enable tau mode (35w, 65w, 125w) does nothing regardless of DPTF. I could make my old MSI board enforce all PLs but Asus? Nope... I do have an Asrock B660M with weak VRMs that may listen to what it is being told a bit better than Asus boards. It has a 12100f in it currently. I'll dig it out and hook it up and snoop around the BIOS a bit later.
  23. electrosoft
    So you've reached your hard wall in terms of what you're willing to do to achieve better scores. We all have that line in the sand we draw for what we're willing to do to hit next level. For example, I don't think any of us do LN2. Very reason I keep a couple of programmers around for when (v)BIOS chips go all caddy wumpus or to force the narrative when software tools will not comply.
  24. electrosoft
    Vsync can be a performance killer. Turning it off in WoW definitely ups the fps. I prefer to run it with Vsync off, Gsync on.
  25. electrosoft
    I'd remove the entire HSF and clean it with isoproyl + q-tips and compressed air / air vac. While it is off, hit the rest of the unit with some compressed air too.
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