*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, bro Fox. I think the 1000D is what I like best with the whole pc. And I don't change this type HW. I keep it several years (the cost will be divided over many years). Same also for the cooling (only a WB swap if needed). All black, nice classic design and with enough space for everything. I worked in my sons new chassis in the christmas holidays. Mid tower and not even the smallest. But all too small box for my likings. You have to think on everything a good while if you want to do changes with your setup. Craamped space is awful. Iould like have a bench table for my hobby, but I hate the cleaning. With what I have now I just use the AC airduster 1 time each month. Taking out the 3 filters every week. Same for cleaning the glass panels. This take 5 min. I have a dog and they drag in a lot dust in the house. Soo there is that. My oldest son said to me before I started buy parts for my new pc.... There ain't other options for you old pa 🙂 

 

But the chassis you have in the post is also very nice. qa big box the way it has to be. The only change I would do is the alu part. Paint it all black. Has to be black bro Fox "All Black" 🙂

Yes, we agree on so many things. 🙂 Not the least of which is the preference for black everything. A few chrome fittings look nice with black though. I have learned the hard way that the black QD fittings stick because of the black finish. The nickel plated QD fittings are slippery and do not have the sticky valve issues. (The auto antifreeze has also helped with that issue, as it is a lubricant.)

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, Talon said:

 

Damn that is really incredible! 

Thank you. I finally got lucky on the memory silicon quality I think. Even at 8200 with 1.600V on water the sticks are hitting only about 35°C during the memory stress testing.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

Then If you see 7950X3D has a massive TDP cut from 170W to 120W but at 5.7GHz same boost like 7950X unlike that 5800X3D which lost 200MHz clock speed. Wonder if it's super binned chip ? And the 7800X3D gained from 105W of 7700X to 120W now being 8C16T.

The beauty is hidden in the details.... Not only Nvidia lock down voltage tuning above default for the chips.

 

AMD’s only allowed overclocking the memory and infinity fabric for the previous-gen 5800X3D, not other forms of core overclocking, but will now allow both the auto-overclocking Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) and use of the Curve Optimizer. AMD tells us that the Curve Optimizer will work best to extract more performance, but both options are available. However, AMD will not allow direct frequency overclocking due to a 1.4V limit for the chip (this was a 1.1V limit with the previous-gen model).

 

AMD Unveils Three Ryzen 7000X3D V-Cache Chips, Three New 65W Non-X CPUs, Too tomshardware.com

[tps3443]

R23 run. Water temp is 18.3C 
 

[1610ftw]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

No in hell 11% more Cuda cores could make this differnce. Even faster vRam wouldn't help. With the high power efficiency for 4000 series, slightly higher TGP for a TI won't help much. Please do the math between the cut down and the full silicon.

 

 

I really like this video. @Mr. Foxour old friend, the salesman Azor is a big part of this video😀 Maybe it smells a bit of conspiracy, but damn close to reality. Enjoy, and please see the whole video🙂 Worth every second.

 

 

4070 Ti looks more as a old xx60 series card due castrated mem bus, LOOL

 

We kind of have a duopoly here and even without price fixing it can easily lead to higher prices. One company goes first and introduces at a relatively high price as it can still go lower if necessary (Nvidia) and then company number two follows and can easily set its price point to get a good share of the market while still making a bigger than usual profit.

 

And yes, we need not consider Intel and Apple as they do not play a role for this type of market and its pricing.

 

Of course it is not a life necessity to get the latest and greatest GPU so the customer has some power and he can exercise it by not buying which to a degree seems to have happened with the 4080 which still should cost triple digits and not more but people will probably start buying sooner and if they do one could argue that Nvidia has found the correct price point. The 4090 has a justified price imo - it is an extreme card at an extreme price but it delivers and it is the 4080 that is out of line as the second tier used to be the value for money card.

[Etern4l]

8 hours ago, Reciever said:

Is it me or is forcing no support on sli/xfire part of the reason why the gpu market kind of sucks right now? 

 

What ever criticisms justified or otherwise of the methodology it did create a means for people clear out old stock and also for those that sold their gpu's second hand to help justify the cost of the latest and greatest. 

 

Wasn't as much of an issue before because we had crypto and pandemic to backfill and escalate the demand threshold. Neither of which is present any longer. Now we just have an inflexible product stack. 

 

 

 

 

Agreed. My theory is just as Alienware doesn't want people to use fast eGPUs to extend the life of their systems, NVidia/AMD don't want gamers to run multi GPU setups. They would rather people buy hulking 4 slot 4090s at 2Gs a pop, which most gamers would find sufficient today, then upgrade to another, ideally 5-slot, gigaoffering again ASAP, as opposed to grabbing another card from the second-hand market (they are hating so much rigtt now) at a huge discount and be good to go for another couple of years. 

[1610ftw]

57 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Agreed. My theory is just as Alienware doesn't want people to use fast eGPUs to extend the life of their systems, NVidia/AMD don't want people to run multi GPU setups. They would rather people buy hulking 4 slot 4090s, which most gamers would find sufficient today, then upgrade again ASAP. 

 

AGA was a great concept and according to some users it still works with the 4090 connected to for example an Alienware 51m. You do not get 100% desktop level performance but a lot better performance than what will be possible with the upcoming mobile 4090.

 

The problem for Alienware ist that one only needs a new card that doesn't even have to be purchased from them to increase the performance by a lot, we are talking about the Time Spy Exteme graphics score going from ca. 5000 to over 17000:

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/31652567

 

 

Kind of makes the AW 51m with a 10900K a tempting proposition for 4k gaming with a laptop...

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Feels more like AMD is quietly willing to price up versus really compete for market share. What little they own they want to extract maximum value.

This is new behavior. At least it feels like it. They're never going to win when  they  hire losers. Second fiddle products should have second fiddle prices.

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Nvidia is content to keep going as they're going since they control every aspect of the narrative at this point. They have the upper hand and they know it.

This is not new. This is status quo. They're just more emboldened. They're not even trying to conceal their dishonesty anymore.

[Papusan]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

The beauty is hidden in the details.... Not only Nvidia lock down voltage tuning above default for the chips.

 

AMD’s only allowed overclocking the memory and infinity fabric for the previous-gen 5800X3D, not other forms of core overclocking, but will now allow both the auto-overclocking Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) and use of the Curve Optimizer. AMD tells us that the Curve Optimizer will work best to extract more performance, but both options are available. However, AMD will not allow direct frequency overclocking due to a 1.4V limit for the chip (this was a 1.1V limit with the previous-gen model).

 

AMD Unveils Three Ryzen 7000X3D V-Cache Chips, Three New 65W Non-X CPUs, Too tomshardware.com

AMD now tricks a bit with the chiplets and the stacked 3D cache. The attached 3D V-cache is only on one chiplet, so all CPUs that have two chiplets can clock at least one CCD significantly higher. Thus, the announced Ryzen 7 7800 X3D still has to manage with 400 MHz less clock since the cache is located on the only CCD, but the two Ryzen 9s can at least have one chiplet clocked higher. AMD still names the Ryzen 9 7950X with up to 5.7 GHz and the Ryzen 9 7900X3D with up to 5.6 GHz. The Ryzen 7 7800X3D only clocks at a maximum of 5.0 GHz, while the Ryzen 7 7700X without 3D V-Cache can still run at 5.4 GHz.

 

Now you have to pay more for lower clock speed. Innovation at its best, LOOL

 

AMD at CES 2023: Innovations and the AMD Ryzen (9 7950X3D and 7900X3D as well as the Ryzen 7 7800X3D) igorslab.de

 

Isn't it nice? Advertice same high boost clock, but only for one of the two CCDs. I expect this is better than nothing, Huhhh @Mr. Fox You want a real gaming-chips? And you don't need more than that the half Cpu cores can reach max boost clocks. Inniovations has to be todays word. Not so sure having several CCDs on the Cpu substrate is much better than have baby cores as Intel.... Ryzen CCDs and 3D cache = AMDs Intel baby cores (lower boost clocs than the real cores). New has to be better. AlwaysHope Windows 11 scheduler can handle this mess (with two CCDs). Just forget going with Win 10.

 

This earns or is worth today's.... Tripple 

 

 

 

For the records.... The new X3D Ryzen4 chips ain't for all... It can be too toasty.

 

Maybe a cooler swap would help over castrating the chips. Or just swap out for the cheaper coming Ryzen 7700 at 65w. The extra you get from selling the unlocked 7700X can go into better cooling. Yep, he have many choices over a brand new X3D chips that clocking less and still run at 95C.

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Thanks for the detailed reply bro 👍

 

NP. I really like this XFX both aesthetics, cooling, noise levels, no coil whine and more. It has crazy build quality and runs as intended even at stock hitting 2600+ on the clocks. It just is (as of now) a very poor WoW GPU. Figure out what programs and games you want to prioritize and especially for Linux as @Mr. Fox mentioned and it is a solid choice if it fits your criteria.

 

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

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https://hwbot.org/submission/5162885_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5162883_ | https://valid.x86.fr/4mgpby

 

 

Whoa, this makes the KP Z690 just like an even better buy! Nice!

 

 

[Ashtrix]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

AMD now tricks a bit with the chiplets and the stacked 3D cache. The attached 3D V-cache is only on one chiplet, so all CPUs that have two chiplets can clock at least one CCD significantly higher. Thus, the announced Ryzen 7 7800 X3D still has to manage with 400 MHz less clock since the cache is located on the only CCD, but the two Ryzen 9s can at least have one chiplet clocked higher. AMD still names the Ryzen 9 7950X with up to 5.7 GHz and the Ryzen 9 7900X3D with up to 5.6 GHz. The Ryzen 7 7800X3D only clocks at a maximum of 5.0 GHz, while the Ryzen 7 7700X without 3D V-Cache can still run at 5.4 GHz.

 

Now you have to pay more for lower clock speed. Innovation at its best, LOOL

 

AMD at CES 2023: Innovations and the AMD Ryzen (9 7950X3D and 7900X3D as well as the Ryzen 7 7800X3D) igorslab.de

 

Isn't it nice? Advertice same high boost clock, but only for one of the two CCDs. I expect this is better than nothing, Huhhh @Mr. Fox You want a real gaming-chips? And you don't need more than that the half Cpu cores can reach max boost clocks. Inniovations has to be todays word. Not so sure having several CCDs on the Cpu substrate is much better than have baby cores as Intel.... Ryzen CCDs and 3D cache = AMDs Intel baby cores (lower boost clocs than the real cores). New has to be better. AlwaysHope Windows 11 scheduler can handle this mess (with two CCDs). Just forget going with Win 10.

 

This earns or is worth today's.... Tripple 

 

 

Yeah 7800X3D is actually losing boost clock from 5.4GHz to 5GHz but unlike R9 processors which have reduced TDP,  R7X3D chip gains 20W extra over 7700X which clocks higher. As for the R9, maybe they see if R9 12C and 16C SKUs gets dual CCD 3D stack it will  either A - Destroy their own R9 existing Zen 4 lineup and pose a threat to Zen 5 itself (wild guess) or B - The clocks will be significantly reduced and give a negative scaling on the MT workloads. 

 

So AMD does not want to commit fully on the stacking technology and wants to be conservative. Why not just give the R9 CPUs dual cache stacks and made 170W to 200W. Maybe the heat output will be drastic and PPT will be too much and thus balancing out so giving the boost as is on R9 and cutting it a bit on R7.

 

AMD also reduced 300MHz base clock on the X3D Chips too for all 3 processors, perhaps reduce the heat and maintain power draw is my guess (because non X CPUs are having lower TDP and lower base clock). So they do not want to exceed their AM5 socket PPT target beyond 250W+ because 7950X can go beyond 230W PPT to 250W and increasing it further means 300W, but AMD is going conservative. Look at Intel 450W lol.

 

Granted to be honest Intel Base Clock is always lower side, 10900K is just 3.5GHz.  And 13900K P core base is just 3GHz. AMD Zen 4 Base clocks were super high at 4.7GHz (7600X, 7900X) literally 10900K boost all core stock lol very fast Zen 4 on base.

 

All in all it will be a mid range refresh, a small refresh for those who want to buy later into AM5 X670 platform. Intel Raptor Lake Refresh I think they may boost base and boost clocks altogether and call it a day.

[jcordero]

19 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is a totally loaded question. It really depends on what you want and what you intend to do with it. There is no single right answer.

 

Gamers that don't care about overclocking buy things like an AMD X3D CPU, drop it in a gamer motherboard, run it stock or with an undervolt, then decide how much they want to spend on a GPU. As long as it plays the games they want to play at a decent framerate without overheating or throttling, they're good to go. This does not require the best and most expensive parts to do that well as long as they are healthy parts. The GPU is the most important component to that type of person, and they generally need less than what all of the marketing hype would suggest. If they buy a high end halo GPU like a 4090 today it should last them at least 4 or 5 years before it struggles with gameplay, longer if they don't expect to max out every available setting. If they go cheap on the GPU, they'll need to update the GPU (with something new or used) every year or two and keep using the rest of the system until a component fails and has to be replaced. Gaming doesn't require expensive CPUs, motherboard or bleeding edge memory. Fast storage and a mid-range GPU will get the job done.

 

If you're an overclocker that love chasing numbers, there is still no single "right" answer. If you are always trying to beat yourself and set impressive scores, it is a never-ending pursuit of the cutting edge parts that you can push to the edge of functionality. If you are looking to set records for specific hardware, you can do that with old parts and collect hardware points. For example, if you grab a GTX 690 GPU and do hardware/firmware mods and go to great lengths to keep it freakishly cold and install that in a modern high end motherboard with a wicked CPU overclocked to the edge of functionality it will blow away all of the old high scores for a GTX 690 GPU.

 

If you are a cutting edge hardware junky that craves the best of the best and feel compelled to stay current whether you actually use that hardware for something important, or not, just because that's what floats you boat, then you're just screwed... real bad. You're either filthy rich and blow money without a care in the world about it, or you're in bondage to an addiction that you can't afford. If you're in this last category there is nothing that will ever be good enough because nothing remains static. Today's most insanely expensive parts will be obsolete tomorrow and worth a small fraction of what you paid for it yesterday.

Thanks for detailed answer mate! I'm an overclocker that wants to chase after the highest scores. If you want to build a monster computer right now with no care for money, what would you look for in buying a motherboard and liquid cooling components and why? I remember some other users on this forum described looking for VRMs.

[Clamibot]

18 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Koolance QD3 Quick release fittings. Well worth the money!!! I wish I would have ran these sooner. I’m getting more of these for sure! They are just amazing. 

 

 

 Looks nice! How much do those fittings affect the flow rate?

[cylix]

800 Euros 13900ks in Denmark..

 i expect the 7950x3d around the same price..😒

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, jcordero said:

Thanks for detailed answer mate! I'm an overclocker that wants to chase after the highest scores. If you want to build a monster computer right now with no care for money, what would you look for in buying a motherboard and liquid cooling components and why? I remember some other users on this forum described looking for VRMs.

• EVGA Z790 Dark (first choice) or ASUS ROG Z790 Apex (second choice) or Z690 Unify-X (third choice). These are all 2-DIMM motherboards best suited for CPU and memory overclocking. They have the traces, phases and VRMs needed. The gamerboy motherboards are not suitable for it and will fall short. Avoid 4-DIMM motherboards if you care about memory overclocking. These products are designed to deliver the best for both CPU and RAM overclocking. From a QC, service and warranty perspective, ASUS is the least desirable option. 
• Custom loop with (minimum) two 360MM radiators (or larger) internally mounted, but ideally with either an Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 1080MM Nova radiator or MORA-3 radiator mounted outside of the case with at least two D5 pumps. An AIO is convenient but restrictive and usually less effective. If you decide to take the easiest available path with an AIO, go with no less than 360MM and try to go with a modular option that can be upgraded and serviced more easily than one with sealed and fixed lines that are a one-size-fits-all solution. Fans in push/pull will help, so choose the case carefully or you won't have adequate space to configure fans that way. Most cases are simply too small and poorly thought out, so they do not have enough space above the motherboard, or they lack space for a big GPU if you install the radiator with push/pull fans mounted in the front panel, or they lack space in both places. An AIO works great if you live in an area that is cold and you can push freezing cold air through the AIO. If you live in a hot environment, the AIO will struggle because it is more easily influenced by ambient temps.
• OptimusPC Foundation or Aquacomputer Cuplex Kryos NEXT CPU block. (Obviously not applicable if you go the AIO route for cooling.)

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

 Looks nice! How much do those fittings affect the flow rate?

Minimally.  I have 10 of them on my benching rig and still pushing 260+ L/H. The slight impact is more than offset by the massive uplift in convenience. It would be a massive inconvenience to have to drain my system every time I wanted to mess with it, or switch over to chiller without radiator configuration. (Exactly why hard tubing is a massive "hell no" option for me.) What takes only seconds turns into an inconvenient project without the QDC fittings.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

So AMD does not want to commit fully on the stacking technology and wants to be conservative. Why not just give the R9 CPUs dual cache stacks and made 170W to 200W. Maybe the heat output will be drastic and PPT will be too much and thus balancing out so giving the boost as is on R9 and cutting it a bit on R7.

Maybe AMD saw that their chips already run hot at todays TDP. Increase it won't do much. They are already running at peak at 95C

On 12/30/2022 at 6:33 AM, Papusan said:

Got the confirmation today. The refund have come from the MSI 4090 I sent back. Sent it in 18. Dec and it took 11 days. So all good. Now the hunt is started again after a new 4090.

 

I returned my MSI 4090 liquid X. I really liked the card, but prefer air cooling for a fast swap between different cards (my hobby). What to select.

 

Not much choices of 4090 here home. And FE is a no go. Hence I'll ask for 3 options you would vote for. Not so sure the Zotac boat is the design I want. But put it in if you feel to do that. The best cooling is important. 

 

Thanks.

 

On 12/30/2022 at 10:58 AM, electrosoft said:

I mean will you extract maximum performance out of your 4090 at 1440p ? No, but it will lead the pack no problem.

I'm all for going for the cheapest models since many still tend to clock up 2900+ but for the cards themselves, if price is no object at all I would go for:

 

MSI Suprim X 4090

Asus Strix 4090

Asus TUF 4090

 

ZOTAC RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO isn't a bad pick either.

Got a notice about MSI Suprim X 4090 is in stock from the same shop I returned my Suprim liquid X. Cheaper than the water cooled card as expected. Not sure if I should wait for a Asus ROG 4090 Strix OC Edition. I have never been happy with MSI. Have benched MSI cards before (up to 980 Sku) and they aren't the best oc'ers. I know its the lottery but still. And this also become true with my MSI Suprim 4090 Liquid X. So this is no coincidence I  have had with MSI.

 

A few shops have the 4090 trash-boat Edition but I'm not very keen get a boat in my "all Black" 1000D chassis😎 And on top they cost more. 

 

Asus sales page sucks equal bad as their forum. I expect one of the two is the White Edition. Can't see they offer two different SKUs of exactly same model with same color. If I check both to compare... The spinning wheel will never stop. But one of the two has to be the new White Edition

 

 

Yep, 50 of the MSI 4090 Suprim X in stock. And the shop is flooded with the new 4070Ti cards. And the same for the heavly overpriced 4080. 

 

Edit. Does anyone have a great idea for what to buy if you go with PCI-E X16 Gen 5  Riser Cable + bracket? Want Gen 5 so I don't need to buy a new later. And none of they are cheap.

[Raiderman]

This is so stupid.....I guess I chose the wrong time to get back into PC tech. Newegg is pissing me off, as I've noticed that with many of their gpu's, they allow up to 20 per order....so scalpers can purchase hundreds under different names, then resell them back on Newegg's site.

 

Should always be a limit of 2!

 

[Etern4l]

9 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

This is so stupid.....I guess I chose the wrong time to get back into PC tech. Newegg is pissing me off, as I've noticed that with many of their gpu's, they allow up to 20 per order....so scalpers can purchase hundreds under different names, then resell them back on Newegg's site.

 

 

Both AMDVidia autoscalping, and 3rd party scalping have the same solution - defer the purchase until the prices correct themselves to a sensible level. Every purchase at (auto)scalped prices sends a "it's working, carry on" message.

[Raiderman]

Just now, Etern4l said:

 

Both AMDVidia autoscalping, and 3rd party scalping have the same solution - defer the purchase until the prices correct themselves to a sensible level. Every purchase at (auto)scalped prices sends a "this works, carry on" message.

It's bull****, I've been purchasing from Newegg since they opened. They need to step up and do the right thing. $1000 from Newegg for a 4070ti???? seriously!

[Etern4l]

3 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

It's bull****, I've been purchasing from Newegg since they opened. They need to step up and do the right thing. $1000 from Newegg for a 4070ti???? seriously!

 

Yeah, 20 items per order is anti-consumer. What seems to also be happening is NVidia using lower tier card "launches" as a trick to upsell people on their higher tier options. Just relax and wait a little, you will be fine.

[cylix]

What a beautiful case. Very good engineering. Phanteks are on a roll.

 

[jcordero]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

• EVGA Z790 Dark (first choice) or ASUS ROG Z790 Apex (second choice) or Z690 Unify-X (third choice). These are all 2-DIMM motherboards best suited for CPU and memory overclocking. They have the traces, phases and VRMs needed. The gamerboy motherboards are not suitable for it and will fall short. Avoid 4-DIMM motherboards if you care about memory overclocking. These products are designed to deliver the best for both CPU and RAM overclocking. From a QC, service and warranty perspective, ASUS is the least desirable option. 
• Custom loop with (minimum) two 360MM radiators (or larger) internally mounted, but ideally with either an Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 1080MM Nova radiator or MORA-3 radiator mounted outside of the case with at least two D5 pumps. An AIO is convenient but restrictive and usually less effective. If you decide to take the easiest available path with an AIO, go with no less than 360MM and try to go with a modular option that can be upgraded and serviced more easily than one with sealed and fixed lines that are a one-size-fits-all solution. Fans in push/pull will help, so choose the case carefully or you won't have adequate space to configure fans that way. Most cases are simply too small and poorly thought out, so they do not have enough space above the motherboard, or they lack space for a big GPU if you install the radiator with push/pull fans mounted in the front panel, or they lack space in both places. An AIO works great if you live in an area that is cold and you can push freezing cold air through the AIO. If you live in a hot environment, the AIO will struggle because it is more easily influenced by ambient temps.
• OptimusPC Foundation or Aquacomputer Cuplex Kryos NEXT CPU block. (Obviously not applicable if you go the AIO route for cooling.)

Minimally.  I have 10 of them on my benching rig and still pushing 260+ L/H. The slight impact is more than offset by the massive uplift in convenience. It would be a massive inconvenience to have to drain my system every time I wanted to mess with it, or switch over to chiller without radiator configuration. (Exactly why hard tubing is a massive "hell no" option for me.) What takes only seconds turns into an inconvenient project without the QDC fittings.

That makes so much sense, so you look for traces, phases and VRMs in a motherboard first and foremost. What would you look for in buying RAM, SSDs, and CPUs (more cores vs high Ghz, servers vs consumer CPUs)? 

[electrosoft]

58 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Maybe AMD saw that their chips already run hot at todays TDP. Increase it won't do much. They are already running at peak at 95C

 

Got a notice about MSI Suprim X 4090 is in stock from the same shop I returned my Suprim liquid X. Cheaper than the water cooled card as expected. Not sure if I should wait for a Asus ROG 4090 Strix OC Edition. I have never been happy with MSI. Have benched MSI cards before (up to 980 Sku) and they aren't the best oc'ers. I know its the lottery but still. And this also become true with my MSI Suprim 4090 Liquid X. So this is no coincidence I  have had with MSI.

 

A few shops have the 4090 trash-boat Edition but I'm not very keen get a boat in my "all Black" 1000D chassis😎 And on top they cost more. 

 

Asus sales page sucks equal bad as their forum. I expect one of the two is the White Edition. Can't see they offer two different SKUs of exactly same model with same color. If I check both to compare... The spinning wheel will never stop. But one of the two has to be the new White Edition

 

 

Yep, 50 of the MSI 4090 Suprim X in stock. And the shop is flooded with the new 4070Ti cards. And the same for the heavly overpriced 4080. 

 

If you're not happy with MSI overall why take a chance? Wait for an Asus Strix 4090 if that's what you want. I do know my bud's Suprim X 4090 air cooled model memory clocks to 1950 no problem. I'll be the first to admit if price is no object, I'd probably grab a ROG too.

 

People get wrapped up (rightly so) on costs, but the first thing I do with all new hardware offerings is rank them on desirability then re-rank them on cost vs desirability. 🙂

 

I wouldn't get a Zotac simply because I can't have @johnksss smirking and gloating at me. 🙂

 

10 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

It's bull****, I've been purchasing from Newegg since they opened. They need to step up and do the right thing. $1000 from Newegg for a 4070ti???? seriously!

 

Never pay more than MSRP (or close to it) and never, ever buy from a 3rd party scalper who is a parasite and purposely buying up cards to jack up the prices and resell.

 

Routinely "anti-consumer" results in "pro-profits" for resellers and we know it's all about the profits. Newegg is no different than Amazon, Walmart or eBay in this scenario allowing third party sellers to scarf up inventory and relist at jacked up prices for their marketplace cut. They also get a cut from the initial sale too.

 

What card are you looking for to upgrade your current GPU?

 

 

 

 

[Raiderman]

5 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

If you're not happy with MSI overall why take a chance? Wait for an Asus Strix 4090 if that's what you want. I do know my bud's Suprim X 4090 air cooled model memory clocks to 1950 no problem. I'll be the first to admit if price is no object, I'd probably grab a ROG too.

 

People get wrapped up (rightly so) on costs, but the first thing I do with all new hardware offerings is rank them on desirability then re-rank them on cost vs desirability. 🙂

 

I wouldn't get a Zotac simply because I can't have @johnksss smirking and gloating at me. 🙂

 

 

Never pay more than MSRP (or close to it) and never, ever buy from a 3rd party scalper who is a parasite and purposely buying up cards to jack up the prices and resell.

 

Routinely "anti-consumer" results in "pro-profits" for resellers and we know it's all about the profits. Newegg is no different than Amazon, Walmart or eBay in this scenario allowing third party sellers to scarf up inventory and relist at jacked up prices for their marketplace cut. They also get a cut from the initial sale too.

 

What card are you looking for to upgrade your current GPU?

 

 

 

 

I'm looking for a card for my new build. The last  cards I've actually purchased...in order 1080ti ftw, 2070ti, Radeon VII, then got out of it, and back in with the current 6600xt. Last generation prices have not really come down either. If the 4070ti was anywhere near msrp, I may have thought hard about getting one.

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30 minutes ago, cylix said:

What a beautiful case. Very good engineering. Phanteks are on a roll.

 

 

After seeing the first few seconds, I thought Phanteks got Chris Pratt to review the case lol