*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Talon]

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

So far I have it at 4.8ghz on six cores and 4.6ghz on all others. The Skatterbencher article mentioned individually testing each core to find an offset but I have not found the process to do that yet.

 

Is the "refresh" any better? I was interested awhile back in the new CPUs they refreshed with, but are they not able to to clock any higher? How is latency on that platform? I know it's a ridiculously expensive platform, but I don't remember a single outlet even looking at overclocking/gaming on it. 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

So far I have it at 4.8ghz on six cores and 4.6ghz on all others. The Skatterbencher article mentioned individually testing each core to find an offset but I have not found the process to do that yet.

 

Yeah, that is extremely behind the 13th and 14th series in regards to clock frequency and seeing as WoW likes as much as it can get vs core count, a 14900KS with tuned 8000+ memory would really decimate it in performance especially with a 4090/5090.

 

Same obviously goes for even a 285k and 9950X3D/9800X3D.

 

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@Papusan

 

New GPU Tweak III with active warning alert for power. Works on the Astral 5090 and Matrix 4090.

 

https://rog.asus.com/us/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-astral/rog-astral-rtx5090-o32g-gaming/helpdesk_download/

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

usan

 

New GPU Tweak III with active warning alert for power. Works on the Astral 5090 and Matrix 4090.

 

https://rog.asus.com/us/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-astral/rog-astral-rtx5090-o32g-gaming/helpdesk_download/

 

Thanks. 

 

Would you buy an gaming Jokebook for close to $15000 ?😂 Or what with an Apple-phone for $3500 ? It seems 5090 looks damn cheap compared to this.

 

This estimate that iPhones would cost $3,500 if made in the US has me terrified of tariffs and the concept of a mid-range gaming laptop costing $5,000 and high-end models hitting nearly $15,000

 

Analyst predicts it would take years to move even a small fraction of iPhone production to the USA.

 

Of course this happens...  LATEST: Lowers punitive tariffs for 75 countries: –⁠ With immediate effect

[electrosoft]

Astral EK Waterblock looks saweet....

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Thanks. 

 

Would you buy an gaming Jokebook for close to $15000 ?😂 Or what with an Apple-phone for $3500 ? It seems 5090 looks damn cheap compared to this.

 

This estimate that iPhones would cost $3,500 if made in the US has me terrified of tariffs and the concept of a mid-range gaming laptop costing $5,000 and high-end models hitting nearly $15,000

 

Analyst predicts it would take years to move even a small fraction of iPhone production to the USA.

 

Yeah, that's never going to happen. There is this pipe dream that all this manufacturing is going to come back to the US and it's basically a non starter except in specific pockets to protect bigger critical industries from China (IE TSMC).

 

Other manufacturing will continue to migrate to the Vietnams, Indias and Malaysias of the world and more. I expect any and all tariff issues there to clear up sooner than later because they all want to be the next China and setting the parameters for that begins with the tariffs. As for the rash of other tariffs unleashed en masse upon the world? Whew.... that is a mess.

 

Unlike China which keeps the bulk of their manufacturing in country, the bulk of USA corporations have long abandoned the USA for access to cheap labor and lax rules but that centralized manufacturing has resulted in China and the USA becoming the largest economies in the world with every other country a very distant 3rd and lower. The easiest way to neuter China is to hit them in their production capacity which is exactly what is happening.

 

The slow withdrawal from China has been happening since 2018 with the first round of tariffs against China and people often forget that when Biden was in office he not only left ALL those tariffs in place for a reason while offering incentives to move production out of China he raised some of them even more before leaving office. The writing has been on the wall for almost 7 years now regardless of Democrats or Republicans in office.

 

It's just that the conflict has now gone from a 3 to a 10 real quick when a 5 or 6 would have sufficed to keep things moving properly and not cause as much disruption.

 

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Thanks. 

 

Would you buy an gaming Jokebook for close to $15000 ?😂 Or what with an Apple-phone for $3500 ? It seems 5090 looks damn cheap compared to this.

 

This estimate that iPhones would cost $3,500 if made in the US has me terrified of tariffs and the concept of a mid-range gaming laptop costing $5,000 and high-end models hitting nearly $15,000

 

Analyst predicts it would take years to move even a small fraction of iPhone production to the USA.

 

Of course this happens...  LATEST: Lowers punitive tariffs for 75 countries: –⁠ With immediate effect

 

issue with this being: although US tariffs dont affect us here in europe directly for products that we import, say, from asia, it would STILL suck for us!

All MSRP pricing follows the standards set in the US for american made products (Nvidia, AMD, Intel, etc.). So if the US pricing goes through the roof thatll be a perfect excuse to adjust pricing here in europe as well. 15000€ RTX 6090, anyone?! 😞 

 

on the bright side: Suprim should arrive here by tomorrow, latest on Friday! w00t w00t!

[johnksss]

On 4/8/2025 at 10:26 AM, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

In an odd moment of uniqueness, everyone in this thread who has a 5090 has a different model lol.

 

Listed in order of acquisition:

 

@Talon = TUF OC 5090

@tps3443 = 5090 FE

@Papusan = Astral 5090 LC

@electrosoft = Astral 5090 Air

@jaybee83 = Suprim 5090

 

Did I miss anybody?

 

Maybe @johnksss will roll up with a Zotac....

 

 

Been camped out for 6 days and all I got was a Zotac 5080. The only 5080/5090 that showed up in 7 days.

[tps3443]

16 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

How high can you clock it though? SP109 14900KS I was using (and now the wife is using) was clocking 5.9ghz all core in WoW and re-tuned on her Asus Strix Z690 D4 (my very first Z690 MB, the gift that keeps on giving) is clocking 6.2 on the newest BIOS in WoW and staying at or under 1.4v and ~70c on an EVGA CLC 280 w/ KPx and B-die sticks dialed in at CL15 4000 super tight across the board 2x16GB ( @Mr. Fox B-die sticks I bought several years ago that keep on giving)  . WoW will gobble up every last bit of frequency and it loves tight timings. Only at >=5.7ghz and dialed in 8000 did my 13900KS SP113  almost catch up to my 7800X3D. 5.9ghz and 8200 dialed in on the 14900KS made a good attempt but couldn't hang with my 9800X3D for WoW.

 

Before switching, the 14900KS at 59/45/45 8200 tuned had zero problems in my benchmarking spot capping out the 4090 overclocked to 3135mhz/+1500 memory.

 

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@Talon has his 285k dialed in and has had really good results. I think he has all three platforms now under his roof (9800X3D, 13/14th gen, Ultra 9) all tuned up w/ a 5090 to swap between them so he could give us a better overall appraisal for gaming between the three on the 5090

 

I can't really find any good results or tests for TWW and the 285k dialed in on the level we play and tests I know I personally run so it's frustrating. For a game still massively popular, it gets no love on YT for proper, controlled benchmarking. I could maybe try to snag a binned 285k (SP90+ would be nice) and a decent board but that is $1k right there and then you're gonna want to go with at least 8600+ memory and that's another $300+ so just like that $1300+ to play around. I'd actually go for 9000+ at this point

 

In this video, tuned properly, it seems to be hanging with the 9800X3D at 4k with a slight lead on average, but that is with a 4090 and he is running 9000 rated DDR5 for $340.

 

 

Look below to my response to @tps3443 about open box Apex boards and 9000 memory on Newegg.

 

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I personally would hold onto your 5090 because that price paid ($2500 all in) is really good especially now and then build out a better gaming rig around it, but with that being said having spent the last several days in WoW with my 9800X3D + 5090, those absolute frame tanks in ORBs and loaded Theatre events  is a killer and I am unsure (along with the 5090 being an absolute powerhouse of a GPU) if it is the cache being exhausted, engine limitations,  CPU limitations or a combination of all three but watching the fps drop to ~67 on the ORB in the Undermine and GPU utilization plummet to 22% is disheartening.

 

Good thing is your exact model 5090 still command $3.4k+ on eBay w/ a new MSRP of $3059 so reselling it would be very easy and pocketing a bit of change or sell it to a board member at cost and pat yourself on the back.

 

 

Ok, as long as you weren't gonna try to say your platform is the same as an AM5/14th gen tuned up for gaming. If you did, you get some of this:

 

 

But in all seriousness, 285k or 9950X3D is your next, great frontier @tps3443 if you want to truly have a go at it with your 5090.

 

 I would be lying if I said it hasn't crossed my mind lately having exhausted AMD 7800X3D, 7950X3D and 9950X3D along with Intel 12900k, SP113 13900KS and SP109 14900KS.

 

I get these itches I have to scratch....

 

Newegg has some open box z890 Apex MBs for a crazy price of $371!

Toss in a pair of 9000 cudimms for $339 (or TG 8800)

 

and then either pick up a new lottery pick 285k or look for a decent bin on the forums....

 

Yeah, It gets the job done well enough though, I’m definitely losing some performance that other CPU’s would provide. I can still knock that 240fps at 4K in CB2077 full maxed out with multi frame Gen just like everyone else though.  When I swap platforms, I’ll be moving to 240hz OLED as well. 5090 has outgrown 120hz 4k, and my 250hz laptop is insanely smooth. 
 

 

NEW COLOR!!! Blue is much better than the egg plant before.
 

[win32asmguy]

10 hours ago, Talon said:

Is the "refresh" any better? I was interested awhile back in the new CPUs they refreshed with, but are they not able to to clock any higher? How is latency on that platform? I know it's a ridiculously expensive platform, but I don't remember a single outlet even looking at overclocking/gaming on it. 

 

Its hard to say. Supposedly they are a better bin but so far as I know the stock clocks are the same. Mine is only on air which is likely a limiting factor. In theory 5.2ghz should be possible on a few cores on air, and I think up to 5.4ghz is common on water. Latency is around 75ns with the 6400 CL32 4x16GB kit with tREFI set to 32k. It is also bottlenecked by mesh clocks so 23x (stock) is substantially higher latency than 30x.

[jaybee83]

12 hours ago, johnksss said:

Been camped out for 6 days and all I got was a Zotac 5080. The only 5080/5090 that showed up in 7 days.

 

damn thats rough! here i thought esp. the 5080 situation wouldve been cleared up by now. plus 5090s come into stock way more often and definitely way longer, at least in online shops here in europe.

distributors holding back stock to figure out new tariff prices?

 

edit: OUT FOR DELIVERY!

 

aight, time to pack up here at work and rush home 😄 

[jaybee83]

Daddy is happy 😁 Likely will not get to install it for a few days, want to finish up some benches with the 4090 first before flashing it back to stock and taking it out.

Will be sure to post size comparisons between these two bricks 😄

 

[Mr. Fox]

So, the CPU that was in the Gene has a higher SP rating but can't boot 2200 FCLK. I moved the delidded 9950X from the Gene to the AORUS B850 and it runs like a top, but won't boot 2200 FCLK in that motherboard either. What is weird, I can run the lower SP-rated 9950X at 2200 and CO 30 on CCX0 and 25 on CCX1, but I couldn't do more that 20/10 on the higher SP-rated CPU. So, I am thinking the SP-rating is a worthless joke on AMD and means nothing whatsoever. Seems like it.

 

Now I will see how well the not-delidded CPU that can run 2200 FCLK tunes up in the Gene. I'll probably decapitate it this weekend.

 

Anyhoow... this is the delidded CPU using a Thermal Grizzly performance IHS and the EK Nucleus CR360 Dark AIO in the B850 board. About 1,000 points higher on Cinebench and a whole lot cooler because of the delid (as expected).

 

[jaybee83]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, the CPU that was in the Gene has a higher SP rating but can't boot 2200 FCLK. I moved the delidded 9950X from the Gene to the AORUS B850 and it runs like a top, but won't boot 2200 FCLK in that motherboard either. What is weird, I can run the lower SP-rated 9950X at 2200 and CO 30 on CCX0 and 25 on CCX1, but I couldn't do more that 20/10 on the higher SP-rated CPU. So, I am thinking the SP-rating is a worthless joke on AMD and means nothing whatsoever. Seems like it.

 

Now I will see how well the not-delidded CPU that can run 2200 FCLK tunes up in the Gene. I'll probably decapitate it this weekend.

 

Anyhoow... this is the delidded CPU using a Thermal Grizzly performance IHS and the EK Nucleus CR360 Dark AIO in the B850 board. About 1,000 points higher on Cinebench and a whole lot cooler because of the delid (as expected).

 

 

what are your SP ratings? and what kind of temp drop did u see after delid and the TG IHS?

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

what are your SP ratings? and what kind of temp drop did u see after delid and the TG IHS?

This CPU was already delidded and was running bare die. I will do a comparison with stock vs TG IHS after I delid the second one.

 

Here are the SP ratings:

 

Yup, the SP118 CPU runs 2200 FCLK no problem in the Gene, same as it did in the B850 AORUS. So, a point lower SP rating and better FCLK.

[jaybee83]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

This CPU was already delidded and was running bare die. I will do a comparison with stock vs TG IHS after I delid the second one.

 

Here are the SP ratings:

 

Yup, the SP118 CPU runs 2200 FCLK no problem in the Gene, same as it did in the B850 AORUS. So, a point lower SP rating and better FCLK.

 

from what ive seen thus far the spread of SP ratings is very tight for Ryzen CPUs, so any slight differences might not amount to much.

my SP120 9950X3D seems to be not as robust in terms of RAM OC as my previous 7950X, need wayyyy more voltage to even get 7400 stable vs. the previous 7600. hoping that binning some RAM kits will do the trick though.

[electrosoft]

18 hours ago, johnksss said:

Been camped out for 6 days and all I got was a Zotac 5080. The only 5080/5090 that showed up in 7 days.

 

Well at least I got the Zotac part right....

 

....but damn. 😞

 

What did the staff say about 5090 inventory and drops?

 

17 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah, It gets the job done well enough though, I’m definitely losing some performance that other CPU’s would provide. I can still knock that 240fps at 4K in CB2077 full maxed out with multi frame Gen just like everyone else though.  When I swap platforms, I’ll be moving to 240hz OLED as well. 5090 has outgrown 120hz 4k, and my 250hz laptop is insanely smooth. 
 

 

NEW COLOR!!! Blue is much better than the egg plant before.
 

 

Definitely looks good!

 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

Daddy is happy 😁 Likely will not get to install it for a few days, want to finish up some benches with the 4090 first before flashing it back to stock and taking it out.

Will be sure to post size comparisons between these two bricks 😄

 

 

And it starts.....

 

 

 

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

from what ive seen thus far the spread of SP ratings is very tight for Ryzen CPUs, so any slight differences might not amount to much.

my SP120 9950X3D seems to be not as robust in terms of RAM OC as my previous 7950X, need wayyyy more voltage to even get 7400 stable vs. the previous 7600. hoping that binning some RAM kits will do the trick though.

 

Yeah, AM5 chips are clustered within a range of 3-5 it seems which is very tight vs Intel which has a range sometimes of 10-15.

 

I'd be curious for testing to see your chips on a 1dpc board. Like I found out before, even the dirt cheap Asrock 1dpc boards could hit 8000+ while my Carbon could not reliably.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

I know that @electrosoftand @tps3443 saw my post at overclock.net about possibly selling my 4090 Gaming OC GPU to @VULC. We got stuck at the shipping cost. I had no idea it cost so much to ship to Australia. Very weird... 2x to 3x more than shipping to UK, Germany, Finland, Saudi Arabia and other places I have shipped to. Weird that Australia is so crazy high. UPS and USPS are about $200, but FedEx and DHL are more than double that. Crazy.

 

@Thanh Nguyen is also messaging me asking about buying it. I will put it out here in case @Clamibot or @Reciever or @Rage Set or anyone else is interested if the AUS shipping ends up being a deal-breaker.

[tps3443]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know that @electrosoftand @tps3443 saw my post at overclock.net about possibly selling my 4090 Gaming OC GPU to @VULC. We got stuck at the shipping cost. I had no idea it cost so much to ship to Australia. Very weird... 2x to 3x more than shipping to UK, Germany, Finland, Saudi Arabia and other places I have shipped to. Weird that Australia is so crazzy high. UPS and USPS are about $200, but FedEx and DHL are more than double that. Crazy.

 

@Thanh Nguyen is also messaging me asking about buying it. I will put it out here in case @Clamibot or @Reciever or @Rage Set or anyone else is interested if the AUS shipping ends up being a deal-breaker.

VULC will probably still want it. GPU’s are like 3-5K there. For a 4090 or 5090. So I’m sure even if shipping is $200 it’s probably still a bargain lol. Than Nguyen already has a 5080, he wants to sell it and go back to a 4090. He says “5080 sucks 4090 is far superior” 😂

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

VULC will probably still want it. GPU’s are like 3-5K there. For a 4090 or 5090. So I’m sure even if shipping is $200 it’s probably still a bargain lol. Than Nguyen already has a 5080, he wants to sell it and go back to a 4090. He says “5080 sucks 4090 is far superior” 😂

VULC just backed out. He just messaged me. The shipping was just absurd. I don't blame him. I would never pay as much for shipping... super stupid prices. I think he found a Strix 4090 in AUS.

 

I am surprised Thanh Nguyen did not already know that. If you own a 4090 then 5080 is a performance downgrade. Only 5090 is an upgrade. Unfortunately, not as big of an upgrade as the price difference suggests that it should be. For a one-third higher price I would expect to see at least one-third higher performance across the board.

[tps3443]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

VULC just backed out. He just messaged me. The shipping was just absurd. I don't blame him. I would never pay as much for shipping... super stupid prices. I think he found a Strix 4090 in AUS.

 

I am surprised Thanh Nguyen did not already know that. If you own a 4090 then 5080 is a performance downgrade. Only 5090 is an upgrade. Unfortunately, not as big of an upgrade as the price difference suggests that it should be. For a one-third higher price I would expect to see at least one-third higher performance across the board.

5090 was supposed to be 25% more expensive than 4090, but its definitely averaging 50% faster for me than my 4090. It’s a really good improvement! Sometimes more than that. 
 

Sometimes it’s abnormally large jump. Especially VR or MSFS. I think it’s just that the 4090 is already brutally fast and very expensive. So it’s not required to upgrade. 4090 has Frame Gen already and 24GB vram. So it’s good enough to hang on to. 
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

34 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

5090 was supposed to be 25% more expensive than 4090, but its definitely averaging 50% faster for me than my 4090. It’s a really good improvement! Sometimes more than that. 
 

Sometimes it’s abnormally large jump. Especially VR or MSFS. I think it’s just that the 4090 is already brutally fast and very expensive. So it’s not required to upgrade. 4090 has Frame Gen already and 24GB vram. So it’s good enough to hang on to. 
 

 

I totally get where you are coming from and it is a valid perspective in your case. There is not much relevance to me at this point. I'm generally not even trying to do my benching hobby any more at this point because of the shenanigans that have made it a sport where winners are chosen and predestined. They are given access to things nobody else has access to, won't share any of it (possibly contractually forbidden to in some cases) and some of them even get everything for free. I don't game enough to justify blowing a gigantic wad of cash on a 5090 that would provide me with no practical benefit. I would only buy it for benching and it's too expensive for such a limited use in a situation that attempting to win is just a frustrating exercise in futility.

[tps3443]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I totally get where you are coming from and it is a valid perspective in your case. There is not much relevance to me at this point. I'm generally not even trying to do my benching hobby any more at this point because of the shenanigans that have made it a sport where winners are chosen and predestined, and some of them even get everything for free. I don't game enough to justify blowing a gigantic wad of cash on a 5090 that would provide me with no practical benefit. I would only buy it for benching and it's too expensive for such a limited use in a situation that is an exercise in futility.

The 5090 definitely isn’t worth it unless it’s $1,999.99. Because you could essentially cover almost that whole cost with a 4090 sale if given the opportunity at a 5090. I was gonna keep my 4090 and be happy. And I was 100% content after I understood that I literally could not get a 5090, and I eventually got over it. Then I was going to finish my build with the 4090 Gaming OC and be happy. The 4090 is already insanely fast, so I was good with that. I think it’s not worth it at these AIB prices. I agree with the MSRP or nothing statement.

 

Whats even worse is that technically the 4090 and 5090 are both a rip off with today’s new adjusted prices. 

[Papusan]

On 4/7/2025 at 9:52 PM, Papusan said:

The same can be said for the Red side. 

 

Upgrading To An AMD Radeon RX 9070 For Just $669.99 For A Phenomenal Graphics Upgrade Sounds Like A Distant Dream, But Not If You Are An Amazon Prime Member

 

MSRP is $549. And thats already all too much for such cards. Does people really pay upwards to $950 USD for RX 9070 ?🥴

 

The faster AMD can get rids of 9070 the better. This SKU should have never  seen the light. And same time they should reduce the MSRP for 9070XT down to same level as for 9070. That would help AMD to take over the whole mid end graphics cards. 

 

The RX 9070 could be discontinued, first in China, then in the rest of the world. What reasons does AMD have for this?

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know that @electrosoftand @tps3443 saw my post at overclock.net about possibly selling my 4090 Gaming OC GPU to @VULC. We got stuck at the shipping cost. I had no idea it cost so much to ship to Australia. Very weird... 2x to 3x more than shipping to UK, Germany, Finland, Saudi Arabia and other places I have shipped to. Weird that Australia is so crazy high. UPS and USPS are about $200, but FedEx and DHL are more than double that. Crazy.

 

@Thanh Nguyen is also messaging me asking about buying it. I will put it out here in case @Clamibot or @Reciever or @Rage Set or anyone else is interested if the AUS shipping ends up being a deal-breaker.

 

I figured for $1500, that would be an easy pick up for @VULC even with $200 S&H on top of it.

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

VULC will probably still want it. GPU’s are like 3-5K there. For a 4090 or 5090. So I’m sure even if shipping is $200 it’s probably still a bargain lol. Than Nguyen already has a 5080, he wants to sell it and go back to a 4090. He says “5080 sucks 4090 is far superior” 😂

 

Nah, 4090 is nowhere near "far superior." You can use that talk when comparing a 5090 to a 4090 but 4090 vs 5080? I'll pop my 5080 FE back in and overclock it seeing as an OC'd 4090 was only ~10fps faster than my stock 5080 in WoW both GPU capped at 99%. I can guarantee you the 4090 will only be 1-3fps ahead.

 

Still, I'd take a 4090 over a 5080 everyday of the week if they were priced somewhat the same or the 4090 was only $200-300 more. $1500 vs $1000? Things start to get dicey....

 

$2100 (sell price of my 4090) vs $1000 (buy price of my 5080)? 5080 all day everyday....

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

5090 was supposed to be 25% more expensive than 4090, but its definitely averaging 50% faster for me than my 4090. It’s a really good improvement! Sometimes more than that. 
 

Sometimes it’s abnormally large jump. Especially VR or MSFS. I think it’s just that the 4090 is already brutally fast and very expensive. So it’s not required to upgrade. 4090 has Frame Gen already and 24GB vram. So it’s good enough to hang on to. 
 

 

 

In WoW, I don't know how far the 5090 could soar because it is CPU limited but even where it topped out my 9800X3D it was already up 35% over my 4090 OC vs OC with utilization at 80% vs 99% on the 4090.

 

35 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The 5090 definitely isn’t worth it unless it’s $1,999.99. Because you could essentially cover almost that whole cost with a 4090 sale if given the opportunity at a 5090. I was gonna keep my 4090 and be happy. And I was 100% content after I understood that I literally could not get a 5090, and I eventually got over it. Then I was going to finish my build with the 4090 Gaming OC and be happy. The 4090 is already insanely fast, so I was good with that. I think it’s not worth it at these AIB prices. I agree with the MSRP or nothing statement.

 

Whats even worse is that technically the 4090 and 5090 are both a rip off with today’s new adjusted prices. 

 

Depends on what you're seeking. Enthusiasts, OC'ers, blockers (unless they have no choice) and those who want the best air thermals won't touch the FE with a 10 foot pole.

 

Me? Meh. I'm fine either direction. Many months ago, I said my picks were the FE, Suprim and Astral. That still remains in place.

 

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

The faster AMD can get rids of 9070 the better. This SKU should have never  seen the light. And same time they should reduce the MSRP for 9070XT down to same level as for 9070. That would help AMD to take over the whole mid end graphics cards. 

 

The RX 9070 could be discontinued, first in China, then in the rest of the world. What reasons does AMD have for this?

 

$599 is a perfectly valid price for the 9070xt especially in the current market conditions. I mean, if they want to drop it further, sure, but they don't need to.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

37 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

The faster AMD can get rids of 9070 the better. This SKU should have never  seen the light. And same time they should reduce the MSRP for 9070XT down to same level as for 9070. That would help AMD to take over the whole mid end graphics cards. 

 

The RX 9070 could be discontinued, first in China, then in the rest of the world. What reasons does AMD have for this?

Yeah, the non-XT is pretty silly. Speaking of that, this was a pretty entertaining video.

 

[tps3443]

28 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I figured for $1500, that would be an easy pick up for @VULC even with $200 S&H on top of it.

 

 

Nah, 4090 is nowhere near "far superior." You can use that talk when comparing a 5090 to a 4090 but 4090 vs 5080? I'll pop my 5080 FE back in and overclock it seeing as an OC'd 4090 was only ~10fps faster than my stock 5080 in WoW both GPU capped at 99%. I can guarantee you the 4090 will only be 1-3fps ahead.

 

Still, I'd take a 4090 over a 5080 everyday of the week if they were priced somewhat the same or the 4090 was only $200-300 more. $1500 vs $1000? Things start to get dicey....

 

$2100 (sell price of my 4090) vs $1000 (buy price of my 5080)? 5080 all day everyday....

 

 

In WoW, I don't know how far the 5090 could soar because it is CPU limited but even where it topped out my 9800X3D it was already up 35% over my 4090 OC vs OC with utilization at 80% vs 99% on the 4090.

 

 

Depends on what you're seeking. Enthusiasts, OC'ers, blockers (unless they have no choice) and those who want the best air thermals won't touch the FE with a 10 foot pole.

 

Me? Meh. I'm fine either direction. Many months ago, I said my picks were the FE, Suprim and Astral. That still remains in place.

 

 

$599 is a perfectly valid price for the 9070xt especially in the current market conditions. I mean, if they want to drop it further, sure, but they don't need to.

 

 

 

We can repair FE models too which is kinda cool! I think a lot of 4090’s ended up with a micro crack or broken PCB/PCIe. Just grab a 5070fe and throw the PCIe on your 5090 if it breaks. In the instance someone tried to use your GPU as a step. 🤣