*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

On 6/1/2025 at 9:27 PM, electrosoft said:

So I returned my Astral 5090 today (tomorrow was the last day), and I have to admit it feels like a monster sized weight has been lifted off my chest. No matter how I tried to spin it, I could not accept paying ~$3600USD for a consumer grade GPU to game and bench no matter how perfect it was.

 

Pros: low to no coil whine, 1.110 ripe for XOC vBIOS, +3000, handled a +375 V/F curve offset no problem, clocked decently, aesthetically gorgeous, ran quiet, zero fans outside of meaningful load at all times.

 

Cons: expensive, heated up my entire office within an hour turning it into a sauna so I had to keep the ceiling fan going and hoping the AC would kick on. 

 

I collected a lot of WoW data and swapped between the 9070xt  routinely for various scenarios I would run including lots of LFR Raids, 5 mans and Delves along with ORBs and outdoor assaults and the 9070xt along with AMD made insane strides in driver stability and performance after launch on a level that has left me impressed but that's for another post.

 

 

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Fun convo with the guy who rang up the return. He immediately said "such a nice card." and once we got to talking, he said he noticed on my account I had picked up a Gigabyte 9070xt OC Gaming. I said I picked up an open box the second time around. He noted he used the same card and picked it up open box too a few weeks back. Yeah, that was the one I returned! It didn't even make it to an open box listing. He scooped it up. He games at 1440p, so you know it is tearing it up.

Wow, I’m surprised you returned this thing. What 5090 are you buying next? Maybe the more budget friendly RTX Pro 6000? 🤣

[Reciever]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

LOL The 5090 is all too cheap. 

 

I could see 8GB making sense for internet cafe's where most people would only be playing esporty titles, but only if the price was right.

 

I used one of my 5700 XT's to float me between the 3090 and 7900 XTX. Played Sons of the Forest and was immediately sitting right at the buffer. That isnt to say I would never use 8GB again but what I did with it would definitely be curated vs the current throw on anything and not worry about it type of scenario that 24GB affords me.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Wow, I’m surprised you returned this thing. What 5090 are you buying next? Maybe the more budget friendly RTX Pro 6000? 🤣

 

RTX Pro 6000 is absolute pure baller class. If price was no object, I'd scoop one up ASAP and pray it doesn't sound like Der8uaers.... 🤣 It is the 5090FE TI Super edition..... 

 

As for the Astral 5090, I had fun for two months playing around with it. Trying several vBIOS, OC'ing it, benching and collecting data in WoW, Fallout and Deus Ex along with 3Dmark stuff. Testing V/F curve offsets vs traditional, idle testing and all the fun stuff that was offered along with the 5080FE from launch moving through all the drivers and such.

 

I'm good right now with the 9800X3D + 9070xt. $3600 is steep and personally I loved the 5090 overall but the bang:buck just wasn't there especially in WoW. I think I said it when I got it the problem was the 4090 was already being underutilized in PvP/PvE content and the 5090 just extended that even more.

 

I really gathered a lot of data between the 9070xt and 5090 with WoW and I don't know if it is driver overhead in combination with the WoW engine but when the 5090 is firing on all cylinders, it is firing monstrously. Put the 5090 in an area with zero players and letting the CPU feed it properly and it was almost doubling the fps of the 9070xt (also at 5x the price) with both cards hitting 99% utilization.  The problem comes back to player data/physics and when raids/orbs/assaults come into play, both cards tank hard but I found in let's say the new Radiant Flame assault and the final boss fight that the 9070xt actually gets better fps than the 5090 on the bottom end when the CPU is just getting hammered overall. I ran it over and over switching between the 9070xt and 5090 using two independent SSDs with their own W11 installs and the 9070xt just handled the CPU tanking better than the 5090 which results in better game play overall when fps really start to dip.

 

I think I said it during my first round of ownership with the 9070xt when AMD fixed their drivers (understatement) and while the 9070xt was getting overall lower fps, the gameplay was just "smoother" than with the 5090 or 5080FE in WoW. Having run numerous Tier 11 delves solo, the gameplay, smoothness and responsiveness of the 9070xt is >=5090 even when it is getting ~160-170fps vs the 5090 clocking in at 238fps capped to monitor 240. This is with all the cards running 4k Ultra RT max.

 

I'm tempted to pick up another (that would be my 4th or 5th) 7900xtx so I can see if it is fixed properly too with the newest drivers and runs just as smooth but its Achilles Heel was RT on just brutalized it and it was always recommended to turn it off. The 9070xt doesn't suffer from that problem in WoW.

 

It seems odd to say it, but I'm finding the 9800X3D + 9070xt providing the best overall WoW experience atm especially during crunch time vs the 5090 when the CPU is gasping for breath and GPU utilization plummets.

 

On the other hand, the 5090 absolutely wrecked the 9070xt in Fallout 76 and when dealing with outdoor bosses or dailies with plenty of other players, you can definitely feel that difference between the 5090 and the 9070xt. 9070xt is completely playable, but man that 5090 brought the high heat and then some.

 

In the end, it was the $3600 just like in the end it was the  $2665 for the KPE 3090ti that I could not reconcile....

 

The only cards on my radar now are potentially a 5090FE via VPA/BB because while it too is priced stupidly it isn't AS stupid but I'm in zero rush and that's because I want to dabble in some SFF build outs with it and that's the last area to explore with the 5090 for myself. When I get one, if it is a coil whine mess, off to eBay it goes.

[Clamibot]

12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

RTX Pro 6000 is absolute pure baller class. If price was no object, I'd scoop one up ASAP and pray it doesn't sound like Der8uaers.... 🤣 It is the 5090FE TI Super edition..... 

 

As for the Astral 5090, I had fun for two months playing around with it. Trying several vBIOS, OC'ing it, benching and collecting data in WoW, Fallout and Deus Ex along with 3Dmark stuff. Testing V/F curve offsets vs traditional, idle testing and all the fun stuff that was offered along with the 5080FE from launch moving through all the drivers and such.

 

I'm good right now with the 9800X3D + 9070xt. $3600 is steep and personally I loved the 5090 overall but the bang:buck just wasn't there especially in WoW. I think I said it when I got it the problem was the 4090 was already being underutilized in PvP/PvE content and the 5090 just extended that even more.

 

I really gathered a lot of data between the 9070xt and 5090 with WoW and I don't know if it is driver overhead in combination with the WoW engine but when the 5090 is firing on all cylinders, it is firing monstrously. Put the 5090 in an area with zero players and letting the CPU feed it properly and it was almost doubling the fps of the 9070xt (also at 5x the price) with both cards hitting 99% utilization.  The problem comes back to player data/physics and when raids/orbs/assaults come into play, both cards tank hard but I found in let's say the new Radiant Flame assault and the final boss fight that the 9070xt actually gets better fps than the 5090 on the bottom end when the CPU is just getting hammered overall. I ran it over and over switching between the 9070xt and 5090 using two independent SSDs with their own W11 installs and the 9070xt just handled the CPU tanking better than the 5090 which results in better game play overall when fps really start to dip.

 

I think I said it during my first round of ownership with the 9070xt when AMD fixed their drivers (understatement) and while the 9070xt was getting overall lower fps, the gameplay was just "smoother" than with the 5090 or 5080FE in WoW. Having run numerous Tier 11 delves solo, the gameplay, smoothness and responsiveness of the 9070xt is >=5090 even when it is getting ~160-170fps vs the 5090 clocking in at 238fps capped to monitor 240. This is with all the cards running 4k Ultra RT max.

 

I'm tempted to pick up another (that would be my 4th or 5th) 7900xtx so I can see if it is fixed properly too with the newest drivers and runs just as smooth but its Achilles Heel was RT on just brutalized it and it was always recommended to turn it off. The 9070xt doesn't suffer from that problem in WoW.

 

It seems odd to say it, but I'm finding the 9800X3D + 9070xt providing the best overall WoW experience atm especially during crunch time vs the 5090 when the CPU is gasping for breath and GPU utilization plummets.

 

On the other hand, the 5090 absolutely wrecked the 9070xt in Fallout 76 and when dealing with outdoor bosses or dailies with plenty of other players, you can definitely feel that difference between the 5090 and the 9070xt. 9070xt is completely playable, but man that 5090 brought the high heat and then some.

 

In the end, it was the $3600 just like in the end it was the  $2665 for the KPE 3090ti that I could not reconcile....

 

The only cards on my radar now are potentially a 5090FE via VPA/BB because while it too is priced stupidly it isn't AS stupid but I'm in zero rush and that's because I want to dabble in some SFF build outs with it and that's the last area to explore with the 5090 for myself. When I get one, if it is a coil whine mess, off to eBay it goes.

 

Yep, AMD's performance these days screams. This is the reason I've switched over to only using AMD GPUs. Nvidia's drivers have a CPU side bottleneck that holds your framerate back. My how the tables have turned. This kinda stuff seems cyclical. We had Intel/Nvidia be the go to combo in the past, now it's full AMD. They'll continue leapfrogging each other.

 

The great thing is, we get increasingly more powerful toys! I don't have any brand loyalty, but I sure am a fanboy of whoever has the best stuff at the time.

[Mr. Fox]

What do you think about the black tubing @Papusan versus clear? (I already know your answer.) I think this turned out quite nice. Very industrial and pseudo steampunk looking with the black and chrome with white LED.

 

 

I am testing this kit on the AORUS Master since they claim DDR5-8600 support. I suspect these will easily support that if the motherboard and CPU are capable. Bonus: No rainbow puke and no bloatware needed to kill it.

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am testing this kit on the AORUS Master since they claim DDR5-8600 support. I suspect these will easily support that if the motherboard and CPU are capable. Bonus: No rainbow puke and no bloatware needed to kill it.

 

@jaybee83 this just booted and ran fine with the Intel XMP-8400 profile. The only adjustment I made was maxing out tREFI and turned off GDM/PMU manual to 0. I didn't touch voltage or anything else on the memory. Even the latency is good for no tweaking and sloppy default XMP settings. Now I am going to see what Gigabyte AI Snatch does. I just discovered that. Let's see if it is a gimmick.

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@jaybee83 this just booted and ran fine with the Intel XMP-8400 profile. The only adjustment I made was maxing out tREFI and turned off GDM/PMU manual to 0. I didn't touch voltage or anything else on the memory. Even the latency is good for no tweaking and sloppy default XMP settings. Now I am going to see what Gigabyte AI Snatch does. I just discovered that. Let's see if it is a gimmick.

 

thx for the headsup, ive actually tried those in the RGB version (lights manually switched off for daily operation and stress testing, i just go with the RGB version for higher resale value), but no luck on my mobo.

 

BUT

 

the four additional kits of the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-8000 F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK arrived yesterday! This is the 1.35V sku, there is also a 1.30V sku under the same model number, which is the kit that ran 8000 stable in my previous testing.

Im now testing the 8 sticks individually and so far i havent found an upper limit for the first stick LOL. DDR5-8400 running well, upping in 100 Mhz steps 🙂 Will update you guys once i know more 😄 

Ofc im aware that with two sticks the frequency limit will be lower, but this nevertheless already bodes well. First time ever ive even seen anything boot up and run stable at 8100 Mhz or above on my mobo 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

thx for the headsup, ive actually tried those in the RGB version (lights manually switched off for daily operation and stress testing, i just go with the RGB version for higher resale value), but no luck on my mobo.

 

BUT

 

the four additional kits of the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-8000 F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK arrived yesterday! This is the 1.35V sku, there is also a 1.30V sku under the same model number, which is the kit that ran 8000 stable in my previous testing.

Im now testing the 8 sticks individually and so far i havent found an upper limit for the first stick LOL. DDR5-8400 running well, upping in 100 Mhz steps 🙂 Will update you guys once i know more 😄 

Ofc im aware that with two sticks the frequency limit will be lower, but this nevertheless already bodes well. First time ever ive even seen anything boot up and run stable at 8100 Mhz or above on my mobo 🙂 

Yeah, I think I am going to return this kit for a refund. It performs quite well but I cannot stop it from erroring out. So far every Intel XMP 48GB kit I have tested on the AORUS B850 Elite, X870E Master, X670E Gene and X870E Apex has not been capable of being stablized and every EXPO kit has. I think I am going to stop wasting my time with XMP. Something is off with the XMP profiles that isn't good for Ryzen. What is weird is if I have stable setting with an EXPO kit and replace it with an equivalent XMP kit the stablity is gone even with the same manual memory tuned setting. I can't really explain that. There is something different. The 48GB EXPO kits are also harder to tune than 32GB EXPO kits.

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, I think I am going to return this kit for a refund. It performs quite well but I cannot stop it from erroring out. So far every Intel XMP 48GB kit I have tested on the AORUS B850 Elite, X870E Master, X670E Gene and X870E Apex has not been capable of being stablized and every EXPO kit has. I think I am going to stop wasting my time with XMP. Something is off with the XMP profiles that isn't good for Ryzen. What is weird is if I have stable setting with an EXPO kit and replace it with an equivalent XMP kit the stablity is gone even with the same manual memory tuned setting. I can't really explain that. There is something different. The 48GB EXPO kits are also harder to tune than 32GB EXPO kits.

 

i guess it all comes down to optimization by the mobo manufacturer. in my case i havent had any luck with EXPO kits, but XMP kits work quite nicely.

 

AHA! "finally" errored out at 8600 😄 now for a full 8500 stress test to dial this stick in and then off to the others. should go more quicklly now that i have a rough idea of where to start testing.

[Papusan]

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

What do you think about the black tubing @Papusan versus clear? (I already know your answer) I think this turned out quite nice. Very industrial and pseudo steampunk looking with the black and chrome with white LED.

 

 

I am testing this kit on the AORUS Master since they claim DDR5-8600 support. I suspect these will easily support that if the motherboard and CPU are capable. Bonus: No rainbow puke and no bloatware needed to kill it.

 

 

I'm sure you know the answer (and you say so). Black tubing is the only option for me. I used clear tubes many years ago. But only for a short time. Black is pretty. Black is classic. And black tubes offer less maintenance. So best of both worlds🙂

 

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Hide the problem. Out of sight........ So hopefully you have a good sense of smell.

 

What a fantastic stupid connector design choice for the cards. They (the engineers) know the fragile tiny trash can melt/overheat and burn up, yet they prefer to hide the problem behind the 4th fan. Aka you'll never know what about to happens before it's too late. You may get lucky and get blackscreen and can find the problem. But not everyone understand what't about to happen.

 

Here's @Mr. Fox looking on the stupidity from his smartphone... Aka nowadays computer for the young ones.

 

Make stupid design choices...

 

Then hide the tiny connector/cable to make it more pretty🙄

 

Gigabyte Launches the Aorus GeForce RTX 5090 Stealth Ice Graphics Card

 

Here's one more. Hide the power connector behind plastic covers.... Out of sight. Out of mind. Until you can smell some burnt plactic. 

 

AX Gaming GeForce RTX 50xx X3W MAX Series Debuts With Hidden Power Connection System

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i guess it all comes down to optimization by the mobo manufacturer. in my case i havent had any luck with EXPO kits, but XMP kits work quite nicely.

 

AHA! "finally" errored out at 8600 😄 now for a full 8500 stress test to dial this stick in and then off to the others. should go more quicklly now that i have a rough idea of where to start testing.

 

currently on the third stick, so far theyre all maxing out at 8500. seems like these kits are more narrowly binned than the others. curious to see how they perform in pairs, maybe then ill have more of a spread. id definitely welcome it, since ill need to decide which ones to return 😄 

 

 

18 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Bartlett Lake confirmed!

 

Looks like we won't have to go to Xeon CPUs to escape the E-core madness after all!

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-confirms-nova-lake-s-nova-lake-u-p-core-only-bartlett-lake-s-desktops-panther-lake-laptops/

 

nice! looks like ill be holding off on upgrading my lady's machine until Bartlett Lake shows what it can do 🙂 also hoping for additional fixes to stave off silicon degradation. when it comes to my lady, stability is everything! us hardware nerds can live with a bit of instability when it means MOAR POWAH 😛 

[Papusan]

19 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Yep, AMD's performance these days screams. This is the reason I've switched over to only using AMD GPUs. Nvidia's drivers have a CPU side bottleneck that holds your framerate back

 

Hmmm. Also trash/buggy drivers from Nvidia help people migrate over to the Red side. Nvidia has reached Microsoft's low level now.  Using more and more AI for geforce driver development show it's ugly face. Microsoft does exactly the same for their monthly weekly hotfix patches to patch previous buggy patches. Then create new problems. Use of less engineers come at a price.

 

So this is to expect from today/tomorrow's tech world. Lower the bars, the happier you'll be. Or will you?

 

NVIDIA releases GeForce Hotfix 576.66 drivers fixing crashes and bugs in several games

[johnksss]

Been like this since last night. +25 Cards

https://www.microcenter.com/product/690032/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-rog-astral-overclocked-triple-fan-32gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card

[Papusan]

 

4x 8pin any day. And weird AMD cards run so damn hot compared to nvidia. A 600W Radeon card would be a disaster. It would cook itself to death within a month. 

 

 

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Been like this since last night. +25 Cards

https://www.microcenter.com/product/690032/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-rog-astral-overclocked-triple-fan-32gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card

 

Is this with out any tax? Aka MSRP ? What cost will it be added when you pay? Right below $3000 here home without tax (MSRP).

[johnksss]

44 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

4x 8pin any day. And weird AMD cards run so damn hot compared to nvidia. A 600W Radeon card would be a disaster. It would cook itself to death within a month. 

 

 

 

Is this with out any tax? Aka MSRP ? What cost will it be added when you pay? Right below $3000 here home without tax (MSRP).

This has been the current price for a while now. And that is before tax as our stores do not post items including tax as tax can be based off of your zip code in some areas.

I look at that as you guys finally are catching a break after a gazion years of paying more.😂

[jaybee83]

w00t w00t! we got separation! 🙂 Stick No. 5 of kit 3 is stable at DDR5-8600 😄 Fun fact: this is one of the open box items, thus significantly cheaper than the new kits 😛 now off to 8700...

[tps3443]

11 hours ago, johnksss said:

Been like this since last night. +25 Cards

https://www.microcenter.com/product/690032/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-rog-astral-overclocked-triple-fan-32gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card

 

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

4x 8pin any day. And weird AMD cards run so damn hot compared to nvidia. A 600W Radeon card would be a disaster. It would cook itself to death within a month. 

 

 

 

Is this with out any tax? Aka MSRP ? What cost will it be added when you pay? Right below $3000 here home without tax (MSRP).

If I drove the 2hr 31 minutes to Charlotte, North Carolina at a Microcenter and wanted to buy one, (assuming they had any) this would cost me $3,603.58 USD. This includes the 5090 Astral+ 7.25% retail sales tax. No additional warranty or replacement.

 

For this money I would want to build an entire PC with a custom watercooled 5090FE, or save $1,500 and build an entire PC with a 5080FE. Of course it would take some effort to secure one of these GPU’s. But it could be done. 
 

 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

If I drove the 2hr 31 minutes to Charlotte, North Carolina at a Microcenter and wanted to buy one, (assuming they had any) this would cost me $3,603.58 USD. This includes the 5090 Astral+ 7.25% retail sales tax. No additional warranty or replacement.

 

For this money I would want to build an entire PC with a custom watercooled 5090FE, or save $1,500 and build an entire PC with a 5080FE. Of course it would take some effort to secure one of these GPU’s. But it could be done. 
 

 

 

You get what you pay for.

 

$2k is already stupid money for a consumer level GPU.

 

Then you decide, do I want the Toyota or Lexus of the GPU industry and pay appropriately so.

 

In the long run, for true OC'ers who are looking to be in the top of the charts, it won't be the Founders Editions that bring home the bacon.

 

It will be the Astrals, Masters and Suprims out there.

 

And you know this.

 

Upside as always is the cost. That is where the FE shines and always will.

 

 

 

 

[johnksss]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

If I drove the 2hr 31 minutes to Charlotte, North Carolina at a Microcenter and wanted to buy one, (assuming they had any) this would cost me $3,603.58 USD. This includes the 5090 Astral+ 7.25% retail sales tax. No additional warranty or replacement.

 

For this money I would want to build an entire PC with a custom watercooled 5090FE, or save $1,500 and build an entire PC with a 5080FE. Of course it would take some effort to secure one of these GPU’s. But it could be done. 
 

 

I'm starting to think @tps3443 is doing a little side work for Nvidia as hard as he is pushing this FE card. The card is the  bottom of the barrel. It always has been, that is why it is the cheapest to buy, but also usually the hardest to mod because Nvidia is in control and after each rendition of cards they take what they have learned from us in the forums and make their cards that much harder to crack. Nvidia does not like to RMA GPU's, they want them to be sold once and not returned for 4 more under sketchy warranties of.... it died while idling, but forgot to mention that a drip of water landed on the PCB while the card was "idling"😂

[jaybee83]

57 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I'm starting to think @tps3443 is doing a little side work for Nvidia as hard as he is pushing this FE card. The card is the  bottom of the barrel. It always has been, that is why it is the cheapest to buy, but also usually the hardest to mod because Nvidia is in control and after each rendition of cards they take what they have learned from us in the forums and make their cards that much harder to crack. Nvidia does not like to RMA GPU's, they want them to be sold once and not returned for 4 more under sketchy warranties of.... it died while idling, but forgot to mention that a drip of water landed on the PCB while the card was "idling"😂

 

haha i get it though, bro @tps3443 is just happy with his purchase and is screaming it out into the forum void 😄 

 

sooo ive gone through all 8 new sticks individually with loose timings and maxxed out voltages, and here are the results:

5 sticks max out at DDR5-8500 and error out instantly at DDR5-8600

2 sticks max out at DDR5-8500 and error out about a third of the way through the stress test at DDR5-8600

1 stick maxes out at DDR5-8600 and errors out instantly at DDR5-8700

 

now doing the same settings with the kit that was stable at 8000, but testing the sticks individually. they do seem do be significantly weaker, at least the first one cant do 8500 stable, currently testing 8400.

 

ill be testing the sticks that can work their way through completely or for a good chunk at 8600 and do all permutations of  two sticks with more stringent settings. in the end im hoping ill be able to achieve 8200 with respectable timings, that would be grand 🙂 

[electrosoft]

16 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

4x 8pin any day. And weird AMD cards run so damn hot compared to nvidia. A 600W Radeon card would be a disaster. It would cook itself to death within a month. 

 

 

 

Is this with out any tax? Aka MSRP ? What cost will it be added when you pay? Right below $3000 here home without tax (MSRP).

 

Well, we have no idea what Nvidia's hotspot is because they took the reading from us....I wonder why that is? 😞

 

Memory temps are spicy though!

 

Depending on which card you use, your OC can be much ado about nothing as all cards tend to top out under load around 3200-3300 or lower. The Gigabyte Gaming/Masters are already coming out of the box hitting 3ghz+ at stock settings so there's not much room left.

 

AMD has made massive strides in RT and basically looks like they've caught up to Nvidia.

 

I'll be real curious to see @Mr. Fox block his and bring those hotspot and mem temps down.

 

His tops out at ~350w OC'd, while the Gigabytes are topping out ~360-365w OC'd with some transient spikes into the 400w+ range.

 

24 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

haha i get it though, bro @tps3443 is just happy with his purchase and is screaming it out into the forum void 😄 

 

 

So basically  the same @tps3443 we've grown to love and adore over the last 10+ years..... 💙

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

I'm starting to think @tps3443 is doing a little side work for Nvidia as hard as he is pushing this FE card. The card is the  bottom of the barrel. It always has been, that is why it is the cheapest to buy.

 

 Nvidia does not like to RMA GPU's, they want them to be sold once and not returned for 4 more under sketchy warranties of.... it died while idling, but forgot to mention that a drip of water landed on the PCB while the card was "idling"😂

 

Hmmm. The 12v-2*6 adapter that follow with the FE package is the best in the tech industri🙂 

 

15 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Well, we have no idea what Nvidia's hotspot is because they took the reading from us....I wonder why that is? 😞

 

From what I have seen, AMD cards just run hot on hotspoot temp and same with vram (this gen and previous). Not sure why Nvidia removed it but I doub't we would see same high temps on nvidia cards.

 

My best guess... The FE cards run hot so Nvidia removed it from being monitored (even for the best cooled AIB cards out there). In short.... None of the customers should be allowed to know how hot it will reach. So this stupid move is only due the roasting hot running FE cards.

 

[win32asmguy]

On 6/2/2025 at 11:15 PM, electrosoft said:

I think I said it during my first round of ownership with the 9070xt when AMD fixed their drivers (understatement) and while the 9070xt was getting overall lower fps, the gameplay was just "smoother" than with the 5090 or 5080FE in WoW. Having run numerous Tier 11 delves solo, the gameplay, smoothness and responsiveness of the 9070xt is >=5090 even when it is getting ~160-170fps vs the 5090 clocking in at 238fps capped to monitor 240. This is with all the cards running 4k Ultra RT max.

 

I am surprised it is that good after having tried a 7800X3D + 7900GRE combo last generation. Lots of strange driver bugs paired with lots of strange bios bugs with fingers pointing to "its an AGESA issue, so it will be fixed when its fixed". I think after the second time my M.2 boot drive just randomly disappeared I gave up on it.

[jaybee83]

welp this was a nothing burger 😄 turns out, once u insert TWO sticks instead of one the rules change completely. the 1.30V kit that was previously stable at 8000 is still king. while testing the two best 1.35V sticks i couldnt actually get them stable at 8000 with the same settings 😄 

 

sooo anyways, RAM binning done, will keep the 1.30V kit and see which speed will give me the best bandwidth / latency performance 🙂 thatll take another while.... RAM OC rabbit hole is real 😄 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

 

From what I have seen, AMD cards just run hot on hotspoot temp and same with vram (this gen and previous). Not sure why Nvidia removed it but I doub't we would see same high temps on nvidia cards.

 

My best guess... The FE cards run hot so Nvidia removed it from being monitored (even for the best cooled AIB cards out there). In short.... None of the customers should be allowed to know how hot it will reach. So this stupid move is only due the roasting hot running FE cards.

 

 

AMD CAN run hot but Nvidia pushing the TDP 575w AND removing the hot spot sensor can't just be a coincidence nor limited to the FE edition.

 

It comes down to cooler design and fan profiles too for the 9070xt:

 

 

 

XFX clocking in at 53 core, 69 hot spot and 82 memory respectively while pulling 358w on their Mercury OC.....

 

I think we'll really see what happens when cooled properly once @Mr. Fox blocks his Gigabyte.

 

 

27 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I am surprised it is that good after having tried a 7800X3D + 7900GRE combo last generation. Lots of strange driver bugs paired with lots of strange bios bugs with fingers pointing to "its an AGESA issue, so it will be fixed when its fixed". I think after the second time my M.2 boot drive just randomly disappeared I gave up on it.

 

I was surprised as you too.

 

Last gen was pure garbage for WoW across every single 7900xtx I tested. From the first XFX I purchased right after launch to the last MSI Gaming I tried last October. So many problems from DX12 and crashes to horrific RT performance and lockups/stuttering. Turning on RT basically turned the 7900xtx into a 3080.

 

Even when I swapped in the 7900xtx to my Intel rig the problems were still there just that then Fallout 76 performance was at its all time low out of all four configs I tried with the 4090, 7900xtx, 13900ks and 7800X3D.

 

This generation has gone much better since the 25.4.1 Adrenalin drivers for WoW. Zero problems or issues on this 9800X3D+9070XT.  I'm running 25.5.1 (newest).

 

With my first 9070xt, the launch drivers (25.3.1) had all types of problems but the next revision cleared up most of that and it's just gotten better for WoW.

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I'll reiterate. When unhindered due to CPU exhaustion, the 5090 is an absolute monster and trounces the 9070xt, but when both cards are suffering from CPU exhaustion, I have found the 9070xt plays smoother at those lower fps than the 5090 with higher fps overall.

 

During normal game play, I find the 9070xt hitting 99% util more often than not whereas the 5090 would routinely tap out the CPU hitting 30-40% more frames than the 9070xt.

 

I like the highs, but the lows are of more concern. This was my 5090 on the last Radiant Flame final boss before returning it:

 

 

I'm to the point, I want to test another 7900xtx to see if the drivers have gotten this much better or if it is the 9070xt architecture or a bit of both.

 

You should scoop up a 9070xt to play with and test out to compare it against your 7800X3D+7900GRE sad times.