*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

18 minutes ago, Reciever said:

It does 5.2Ghz at 1.38v pulling 211-215w. Tried lower but crashed the system lol

Then you have your answers. See how far it goes with 1.4V. If temp is good (sub 80C) then let it stay there. 

[Mr. Fox]

On 4/23/2022 at 2:44 PM, johnksss said:

On the Hero it picks up at least 7 of the 8 fan headers. And it picks up 2 fan headers for the KPE.

 

RGB Software seems to not work as intended.... I'll have to revisit if I have time left.

 

On 4/23/2022 at 3:27 PM, Mr. Fox said:

The fan software works pretty nice on the Unify-X. It also reads the two sensors on my Z490 Dark as you noted, but there appear to be no fan controls available for the two sensors that it sees, so it won't be of any value on the EVGA board since it is unable to serve its intended purpose (fan control), Weird that it only identifies two fan headers.

I changed my mind. I have had the fans randomly not work until opening the software and manually changing something with the sensor to make them restart, so I am going to remove it and go back to using the BIOS only. Reminds me of years ago using HWiNFO64 for Alienware laptop fan controls... which worked great except for when it randomly did not work.

[electrosoft]

AIO / Water cooled 3090ti's are starting to show up with pricing. Queues have been opened since launch day but this is the first (of three) EVGA 3090ti's to have a price.

 

Same price as the top end air cooled 3090ti FTW3.

 

Maybe the KPE 3090ti will come in a touch cheaper ($2399?) since the market is contracting towards normalcy (relatively speaking).

 

Even the Asus LC 3090ti is "only" $2199.99

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

I changed my mind. I have had the fans randomly not work until opening the software and manually changing something with the sensor to make them restart, so I am going to remove it and go back to using the BIOS only. Reminds me of years ago using HWiNFO64 for Alienware laptop fan controls... which worked great except for when it randomly did not work.

My goal is tuning some of the fans with the bios then the rest of fans with an manuel fan control. Best of both worlds. Fan control for easy access for max sound when needed, LOOL. Yep, I stay far away from any software for tuning fans and bling bling, HaHa but thats me🙂

[Mr. Fox]

18 minutes ago, Papusan said:

My goal is tuning some of the fans with the bios then the rest of fans with an manuel fan control. Best of both worlds. Fan control for easy access for max sound when needed, LOOL. Yep, I stay far away from any software for tuning fans and bling bling, HaHa but thats me🙂

I agree. I don't like using software for fans and RGB, or for most other system controls. A mechanical control mechanism is best. I have been using a manual hardware fan controller on the desktop for several years and that is my preference. It is how I control the external fans and pumps. I don't have a hardware controller that I can use internally, but I don't really need one. All of the fans are set to run full speed 24/7 except for the loud 3000 RPM Noctua fan I use for blowing on the RAM. I have that one set to change based on temperatures in the BIOS. I think I am going to get a water block (waiting for a cheap price) for that and then I won't need to even use the loud Noctua fan at that point. Until then, I am going back to using the BIOS.

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

I changed my mind. I have had the fans randomly not work until opening the software and manually changing something with the sensor to make them restart, so I am going to remove it and go back to using the BIOS only. Reminds me of years ago using HWiNFO64 for Alienware laptop fan controls... which worked great except for when it randomly did not work.

I do remember those days!

 

I got rid of the board so wont have a chance to revisit that situation....

And as far as I saw it seem better to use fan curve because using manual could do as hwinfo did in the early days. When it surpassed the max limit it would basically cut power to the fans. (Alienware)

[Tenoroon]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

I changed my mind. I have had the fans randomly not work until opening the software and manually changing something with the sensor to make them restart, so I am going to remove it and go back to using the BIOS only. Reminds me of years ago using HWiNFO64 for Alienware laptop fan controls... which worked great except for when it randomly did not work.

Yeah, HWInfo was great on my Ranger, but would sometimes just slow the fan down to the automatic speed. I've since cut the wires on my CPU fan to make it run at full speed 24/7 so that I can cool my 4710mq better without needing an extra process open 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

AIO / Water cooled 3090ti's are starting to show up with pricing. Queues have been opened since launch day but this is the first (of three) EVGA 3090ti's to have a price.

 

Same price as the top end air cooled 3090ti FTW3.

 

Maybe the KPE 3090ti will come in a touch cheaper ($2399?) since the market is contracting towards normalcy (relatively speaking).

 

Even the Asus LC 3090ti is "only" $2199.99

 

Still about $800-$1,000 more than I am willing to spend on a GPU, but it looks nicer than the prior couple of generations of hybrids did. Although I am not a fan of air-cooled GPUs and wouldn't want to use one that way, I think going forward I am going to try to confirm the GPU I am planning to buy has a couple of options available for aftermarket water block support and then buy the air-cooled version to make things easier. Although I seldom sell my used graphics cards, having a stock air cooler makes it easier to resell to people that are scared of water cooling. As difficult as I find it to relate to, I know that some people actually prefer air cooling. The hybrid AIO thing and no air cooling unit would also make it not a usable product for the people that plan to stuff it into a SFF easy-bake oven with no room available for a GPU radiator. 

 

It somewhat annoys me that PX1 identifies my KPE a hybrid due to the firmware even though it's no longer that. It would be nice if EVGA stopped including that in the GPU name/description in the vBIOS. Just call it a Kingpin, FTW3, etc. and skip the hybrid naming convention.

[Reciever]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

Yes, it is an extraordinary 10850K sample and that voltage 52x all core with 1.375-1.400V is right where it ought to be. You may be able to run a little bit lower voltage with lower core temps and higher LLC. If the LLC is too low the voltage will drop too much under load and crash. I would run the LLC at Level 6. The Level 4 (default OC for ASUS) allows too much vdroop.

 

Most 10850K won't even run at 52x, some use that much voltage at 50x all core.

Yeah its all so very foreign to me, haven't touched desktop overclocking in any real sense since maybe 2nd Gen Intel. 

 

My amd chip basically let me drop in 4.2ghz and never needed to look much deeper, since that was the cieling for zen+ anyways. 

 

Trying the static approach now using ts as a quick and dirty bench before looking at other tests. Got the ram working correctly too, had them in bay 0/2 instead of 1/3. 

 

Looking at some guides for the board and hopefully figure out the details. Gonna shoot for a 1.385 and see if it plays nice. 

 

Pretty happy the D15S is letting it flex, 250w and it's handling it well 

[Tenoroon]

I apologize about the incredibly low quality picture, Taobao is weird, and I must wait a day to log in to see the listing, but there is this:



Most of the special water cooled heatsinks for the P870 have been for the Clevo cards, or just the CPU. This one seems to work with a standard MXM 3.0 card and a regular CPU, though, there are 2 potential problems. This is intended for a P870TM, so I would need to grind down my CPU bracket, and it is intended for a Quadro P5000, which if the heatsink is shaped to accommodate the caps in the top middle of the card, I would not be able to use it with the MSI 1070 as it has taller inductors instead of caps. I'll look more into this tomorrow, but if I cannot get the CPU heatsink I was planning on, and this would work with my setup, this would be really, really nice for pushing the 1070 and the 8700k.

I had planned on purchasing Darcoder's water cooled CPU heatsink, he made a for sale thread on the NBR Forums a few months before it shutdown, and I believe @electrosofttalked in the thread. I was in contact with Darcoder a few days before the shutdown and he was willing to sell it, so he gave me his email and told me to take my time. I emailed him a week and a half ago and haven't gotten a response, so that idea might go down in flames 😞

[Reciever]

Looks like I need to more research overall, I'm not at all comfortable with the bios settings as I had been during first Gen i7 with my golden xeon w3520. 

 

For now I am at 5.1Ghz but during load ts reports 1.24-8v when I set 1.35v and then bumps back up after load is lifted. This is at L6, so turns out skipping on homework only gets you so far :P while I appreciate the guidance provided thus far, do you fella's have a good resource for reading up on all the functions in the z490 boards? 

 

I was able to bump my ram up from 3200mhz to 3333mhz with no voltage adjustment, 3400 might be possible with voltage. Now before @Mr. Fox perks a brow I put my 32GB in place of the 16gb that originally came with the bundle. 

 

No testing yet for the 5700xt 

[Mr. Fox]

On 4/25/2022 at 9:52 PM, Reciever said:

Looks like I need to more research overall, I'm not at all comfortable with the bios settings as I had been during first Gen i7 with my golden xeon w3520. 

 

For now I am at 5.1Ghz but during load ts reports 1.24-8v when I set 1.35v and then bumps back up after load is lifted. This is at L6, so turns out skipping on homework only gets you so far 😛 while I appreciate the guidance provided thus far, do you fella's have a good resource for reading up on all the functions in the z490 boards? 

 

I was able to bump my ram up from 3200mhz to 3333mhz with no voltage adjustment, 3400 might be possible with voltage. Now before @Mr. Fox perks a brow I put my 32GB in place of the 16gb that originally came with the bundle. 

 

No testing yet for the 5700xt 

I looked though all of my files and YouTube videos and I didn't save any screenshots or anything else relating to the Strix mobo that might be useful. I was certain that I had, but I cannot locate anything, so maybe they were deleted. If you still have a BIOS profile saved, apply that profle, then change the RAM settings to default profile, then save and exit the BIOS. This will apply the CPU overclock but not the RAM overclock. Then save the profile again before you begin tweaking the RAM. Make note of all of the CPU settings on all of the menus (F12 will take screenshots and save them to USB).

 

I have attached ASUS TurboV Core that you can use for tinkering in Windows. It is lightweight and a much better tool than XTU. It is useful for dialing things in to later apply them in the BIOS. It will not work with newer versions of Windows 10. I know it works with 1809. (Same is true for MemTweakit. Both are broken by newer versions of Windows 10, just like all good things that are actually worth having are.)

 

This video might be helpful as a good starting point for the CPU overclock for 52x core, 49x cache. The menus should be the same. I always have overclocked using an all-core fixed ratio and fixed cache ratio.  All TVB options disabled, power limits and current limits maxed out, and turbo time limt maxed out. I do not recommend using any AI overclocking features. 

 

 

TurboV_Core_1.10.08.7z

[Papusan]

It seems AMD have changed goal and nowadays prefer locked down hardware 🙂 Maybe the card is too cheap? Could be Mr. Azor have adviced them to do this. 

 

AMD Reportedly Disables Overclocking on the Radeon RX 6400

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4984337_papusan_3dmark05_radeon_hd_7970_79618_marks?recalculate=true

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

It seems AMD have changed goal and nowadays prefer locked down hardware 🙂 Maybe the card is too cheap? Could be Mr. Azor have adviced them to do this. 

That doesn't surprise me at all. Ryzen CPUs suck at overclocking and their GPUs have sucked at overclocking since Radeon 6000 series. Azor has always been a traitor to PC enthusiasts. A good salesman knows all of the right ways to lie to get the sale. It is the perfect marriage of sucky hardware with "Chief Architect of Gaming Solutions" focused on providing crippled trash for the kiddos to get their gaming itch scratched. No need for the product to be any good as long as it plays games OK and costs less than Intel and NVIDIA.

 

It makes sense that consoles are powered by AMD "DNA" because they do not need to be special or do anything impressive as long as they all behave the same and require no knowledge or skill on the part of the end user.

 

Consistency: Push the button, pull the chain, out comes chocolate choo-choo train.

 

"AMD silently gave the Radeon RX 6400 a retail launch last week. However, TechPowerUp's review of the Radeon RX 6400 purportedly revealed that it lacks overclocking support, meaning there's no way for owners to boost the Navi 24-based graphics card's performance."

 

"The Radeon RX 6400 initially targeted OEMs, but AMD eventually decided to unleash it for the retail market. The graphics card apparently performs like Nvidia's three-year-old GeForce GTX 1650 from the Turing days. According to TechPowerUp's results, even the Radeon RX 570, which debuted in 2017, is faster than the Radeon RX 6400."

 

Perfect solution for Alienware and XPS, Omen and Legion branded gaming trashboxes. On sale now at Walmart. Hurry kids!!!

[Reciever]

Settled @ 5.0Ghz for now until I can spend the time on the homework.

 

This Taichi 5700 XT is a dog, my PowerColor card did much better but also let me push 2.2Ghz versus the 2050-2080Mhz this one will hold. Though this is also without the additional soft mods. Kind of irritates me, might just throw in the towel and run the RTX 3090, wont be mining for a month or so (for the most part).

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/74682904?

 

My memory is also a dog, though I did originally purchase it with the express desire to run 3200Mhz on a new 2700x so cant always expect a lucky champion to work outside its spec.

 

Have any of you guys ever worked with fans where the blades operate in opposite directions to generate more static pressure? I think LTT mentioned it when unboxing the SuperMicro stuff for building a PB of RAM, been a bit curious about it since then.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

Have any of you guys ever worked with fans where the blades operate in opposite directions to generate more static pressure? I think LTT mentioned it when unboxing the SuperMicro stuff for building a PB of RAM, been a bit curious about it since then.

I have not. I have seen it featured on some air cooled video cards, but I have not seen an option for aftermarket fans to select a direction of rotation. I assumed they are standard and rotate clockwise. Interesting idea, though.

[Mr. Fox]

Considering that I have ordered a Supercool Computer Direct Die block for the 12900K, I figured I might as well go ahead and install the one I had and never used for the 10900K. So, now Banshee is running bare die. Before/after posted below.

 

[Tenoroon]

I'll stop with the Cinebench spam, but I cannot get anything higher than this. If my base clock is any higher, the 860m just dies and will struggle to output an image. When I did this run, my screen was pitch black with no backlight for 90% of the time until it finished. I'm glad I broke the 740 barrier  though!

I've tried upping the voltage by a considerable amount, lowering RAM speed, and lowering GPU clock speed, but nothing works, again, I think this is where it ends for CBR15.

I was wanting to do the other CB's but I'm at school right now and forgot my flashdrive with all of my benching programs on it.

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Considering that I have ordered a Supercool Computer Direct Die block for the 12900K, I figured I might as well go ahead and install the one I had and never used for the 10900K. So, now Banshee is running bare die. Before/after posted below.

 

 

5.2 @ ~200w....nice!

 

 

[electrosoft]

On 4/26/2022 at 12:01 AM, Tenoroon said:

I apologize about the incredibly low quality picture, Taobao is weird, and I must wait a day to log in to see the listing, but there is this:



Most of the special water cooled heatsinks for the P870 have been for the Clevo cards, or just the CPU. This one seems to work with a standard MXM 3.0 card and a regular CPU, though, there are 2 potential problems. This is intended for a P870TM, so I would need to grind down my CPU bracket, and it is intended for a Quadro P5000, which if the heatsink is shaped to accommodate the caps in the top middle of the card, I would not be able to use it with the MSI 1070 as it has taller inductors instead of caps. I'll look more into this tomorrow, but if I cannot get the CPU heatsink I was planning on, and this would work with my setup, this would be really, really nice for pushing the 1070 and the 8700k.

I had planned on purchasing Darcoder's water cooled CPU heatsink, he made a for sale thread on the NBR Forums a few months before it shutdown, and I believe @electrosofttalked in the thread. I was in contact with Darcoder a few days before the shutdown and he was willing to sell it, so he gave me his email and told me to take my time. I emailed him a week and a half ago and haven't gotten a response, so that idea might go down in flames 😞

 

I haven't seen him on these forums but I know I saw him briefly on one of the others before they shut down. I think he also posted on the notebook forums reddit thread/site/thingy.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 4/25/2022 at 9:01 PM, Tenoroon said:

I was in contact with Darcoder a few days before the shutdown and he was willing to sell it, so he gave me his email and told me to take my time. I emailed him a week and a half ago and haven't gotten a response, so that idea might go down in flames 😞

 

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I haven't seen him on these forums but I know I saw him briefly on one of the others before they shut down. I think he also posted on the notebook forums reddit thread/site/thingy.

I am not sure what country he is from, but our world in general is in an unusual amount of turmoil and there aren't any places left that don't suck for one reason or another. If he is in Russia, Ukraine or an affected neighboring country, he may not be able to respond or he may have more important things to think about.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

5.2 @ ~200w....nice!

Thanks. 🙂

 

The more, the merrier. As long as temps don't get in the way of having more.

[johnksss]

On 4/25/2022 at 12:56 PM, Mr. Fox said:

 

I changed my mind. I have had the fans randomly not work until opening the software and manually changing something with the sensor to make them restart, so I am going to remove it and go back to using the BIOS only. Reminds me of years ago using HWiNFO64 for Alienware laptop fan controls... which worked great except for when it randomly did not work.

Okay, going to have to retract. Software seems flakey after all.

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

5.2 @ ~200w....nice!

I am really happy with these bare die temperatures. This is three back-to-back runs of CBr20. 

 

[Papusan]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Considering that I have ordered a Supercool Computer Direct Die block for the 12900K, I figured I might as well go ahead and install the one I had and never used for the 10900K. So, now Banshee is running bare die. Before/after posted below.

 

What a nightmare. Bling bling is here to stay. Only 100$. Are you kidding? Bro Fox.... You really need swap out that ugly and tacky waterblock, LOOL

 

How it performs doesn't matter. What's matter nowadays is new fancy features. The more  eye candy, the better. 

 

 

CORSAIR iCUE ELITE CPU Cooler LCD Display Upgrade Kit Review

Others/Miscelleneous by stefan @ 2022-04-25 read/post comments(0)

The iCUE ELITE CAPELLIX LCD Display Upgrade Kit does really add quite a bit of eye candy to your current setup, while doubling up as a monitoring tool for the internal components. It comes with an IPS panel with a 480x480 resolution and renders video effects at 30FPS, for very fluent animations. The frame of the display is also RGB enabled in order to sync different effects with other iCUE-enabled hardware you may have installed, while the installation can be done by anyone with the help of four mounting magnets so no need of removing the pump from the CPU! 

 

 

Her's the latest version I know about TurboV_Core_1.10.19