*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

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1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

 

For me, I prefer SFF because I really value portability, but I also prefer the ATX form factor because I'm all about absolute maximum performance. These two things are at odds with each other, so there's always a major conflict in my mind before building a new system. Only one of these things can win out, and I always end up compromizing in some way.

 

I have yet to have ever built a system I was completely happy with. There's always something I hate about the system, whether it be that it's too big and not portable enough, it doesn't have enough processing power and expandability because it's too space limited, it was too expensive to build.

 

Things may be changing on that front for me pretty soon. I'm waiting for the Sliger Trego to be released so I can snatch up one of those suckers and finally build an SFF PC with processing power that matches that of a full tower PC.

 

I want absolute maximum desktop level performance and upgradeability in a portable form factor. My Clevo X170SM-G is the closest to those 3 attributes I've gotten so far.

 

Thats why I personally found the happy medium with the TU150, it let me have my D15 and 3 slots of space for my 2.5 slot 5700 XT. I was even able to plug in an M4000 (iirc?) single slot GPU as an experiment. To be clear, I am not a Liter elitist type, I just like the form factor. I also housed 6 drives in the case as well, provided I can get my hands on the vent door someday, I may rebuild into it. For now I enjoy the simplicity of open frames.

 

I had a Rampage III Extreme back in the day, a golden xeon chip, 3x 470 + GTS 450. Though maybe mounting it on my wall was more of the drawback than the system itself? Often pulling the whole thing down for troubleshooting what later became known as an improperly cooled NorthBridge that killed one of the DIMM slots basically killing triple channel (which was all the hype at the time).

 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think the bigger issue for people that are keenly interested in overclocking is the fact that nobody makes extreme performance SFF products. That makes sense because it would be counter-intuitive to even pretend otherwise. SFF, by its very nature, is founded on a concept of compromise in one form or another... price, size, performance... all the above. Some people want that. For a person such as myself, the concept is totally incompatible with my interests.

 

While Im sure your eyes (and primarily justified 100% in its Genesis) Close Loop Coolers (CLC) also known as cheap, low cost was an innovation primarily marketed towards SFF builders as an improvement over the typical single fan non tower cooler designs (that recycled heat). The wind fall from that development was that people went to those coolers to avoid dealing with RAM clearance altogether. Though a slew of horror stories slept the net not long after with the lack of QC and bad designs (stiff tubing breaking from the radiator, more often than not).

 

It was around this time that Asus put forth some serious products for the SFF arena iirc my interest was in the mATX motherboards, were very compelling. This was mainly because Asus solved the at the time important question that was more important then, than compared to these days, what about my sound card? Since they integrated that part to the motherboard it let me people not worry about it.

 

It also forced people to pay more attention to air circulation in your case. i.e, airflow, not airblow. 

 

I myself used to have an NZXT Vulcan and modified the case to accept a 360mm rad on top, it was a fun project at the time. Its not for everyone, so I am glad they have multiple standards to suit each extreme.

[jaybee83]

welp, thats all folks, nothing more to see here... 😔

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

welp, thats all folks, nothing more to see here... 😔

 

 

Bummer. I wonder how much AMD and/or NVIDIA paid them to stop competing? We didn't need them to be the best. We needed them to help keep the other two honest and keep the heat turned up on the quest to maintain market share. I was actually considering supporting them with my wallet once they got their driver issues sorted because I wanted them to stay engaged in the process.

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

welp, thats all folks, nothing more to see here... 😔

 

 

 

It does make you wonder why Asrock was the only company releasing any type of Intel dGPU but now they are back ordered with no fill through date posted for awhile now. Looks like the first run might have been the last run but let's sit back and enjoy the ride (or crash and burn 😁)

 

But then again MLID has been wrong plenty of times too....

 

Let's see how this pans out as they are still releasing the upper tier models too.

 

What it looks like is Intel drivers and products will continue to be introduced but they are effectively exiting the enthusiast / mid-range market but will continue with Integrated/Entry and DC/AI and up.

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

Maybe Intel saw what AMD offered.... There is no competition. They coperate on where the price point has to be put. If there was real competition, Intel would never release a re-hashed Intel chips from last year in their new 13th series line-up. Maybe good enough because what AMD will offer in the low end. Aka nothing.

Intel confirms Core i5-13600 CPU and below are based on Alder Lake die
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-core-i5-13600-cpu-and-below-are-based-on-alder-lake-die

 

Intel Price Hike To Affect Upcoming CPUs, Motherboard Chipsets & Other Components In Q4, Up To 20% Increase

I'm sure the Red boys and girls will say 100C ain't dangerous and is just fine. And 110W is better than +200w chips from Intel 🙃

AMD Ryzen 5 7600X CPU Operates at 5.45 GHz With Up To 92C Temps at Stock, 110W Package Power Rating

 

Finally below 19 sec in Y-cruncher Pi-1B 🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5077444_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_12900k_(8p)_18sec_995ms?recalculate=true

[olenbt]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Maybe Intel saw what AMD offered.... There is no competition. They coperate on where the price point has to be put. If there was real competition, Intel would never release a re-hashed Intel chips from last year in their new 13th series line-up. Maybe good enough because what AMD will offer in the low end. Aka nothing.

Intel confirms Core i5-13600 CPU and below are based on Alder Lake die
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-core-i5-13600-cpu-and-below-are-based-on-alder-lake-die

 

Intel Price Hike To Affect Upcoming CPUs, Motherboard Chipsets & Other Components In Q4, Up To 20% Increase

I'm sure the Red boys and girls will say 100C ain't dangerous and is just fine. And 110W is better than +200w chips from Intel 🙃

AMD Ryzen 5 7600X CPU Operates at 5.45 GHz With Up To 92C Temps at Stock, 110W Package Power Rating

 

Finally below 19 sec in Y-cruncher Pi-1B 🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5077444_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_12900k_(8p)_18sec_995ms?recalculate=true

 

 

 

 

oh man im way late to the party. its been awhile brothers of notebook enthusiasts.  so papusan move to desktop as well.  no more desktop socket laptop =(

Edited September 11, 2022 by olenbt
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[jaybee83]

12 hours ago, olenbt said:

 

 

oh man im way late to the party. its been awhile brothers of notebook enthusiasts.  so papusan move to desktop as well.  no more desktop socket laptop =(

yep, slim pickins indeed! basically the only fun model for this year would be the Clevo NH55JNNQ, ure welcome to come have a looksie in our owner's lounge 🙂

 

 

[tps3443]

Both of these new retail 11900K’s I bought were total garbage for the most part. Neither can come close to my really good 11900K. Anyways, I’m about ready to clear everything 11th Gen and Z590 and prepare for 13th Gen CPU’s.

 

I have been running an 11900K for long enough to warrant an upgrade! 

 

I’ll be pre-ordering a 13900K. It will be fun to see a difference first hand by running my usual games and applications for work. 

[K4sum1]

On 9/11/2022 at 5:22 AM, Papusan said:

AMD Ryzen 5 7600X CPU Operates at 5.45 GHz With Up To 92C Temps at Stock, 110W Package Power Rating

I wonder if we'll be able to shrink dies much more without needing to return to direct die cooling. Maybe direct die liquid metal could become the norm, or maybe exotic cooling like phase change could become common.

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, K4sum1 said:

I wonder if we'll be able to shrink dies much more without needing to return to direct die cooling. Maybe direct die liquid metal could become the norm, or maybe exotic cooling like phase change could become common.

ill see your direct die liquid metal and up you with silicon-integrated water cooling 😛 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-exploring-on-chip-semiconductor-integrated-watercooling

[Clamibot]

Radeon RX 6600 has been released in the MXM form factor:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-radeon-rx-6600-emerges-in-mxm-form-factor

 

It'll be interesting to see if this allows us to use RSR and FSR on older laptops.

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29 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

Radeon RX 6600 has been released in the MXM form factor:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-radeon-rx-6600-emerges-in-mxm-form-factor

 

It'll be interesting to see if this allows us to use RSR and FSR on older laptops.

Where did this redditor source it from is probably everyone's question...

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, K4sum1 said:

I wonder if we'll be able to shrink dies much more without needing to return to direct die cooling. Maybe direct die liquid metal could become the norm, or maybe exotic cooling like phase change could become common.

As long as they continue with sockets and not move to BGA filth, bare die should be the norm. It is the norm on laptops and there is no reason it can't or shouldn't be for desktops. It would not only work better, but it would reduce the cost of production and eliminate the hassles associated with delidding.

[Talon]

 

[electrosoft]

Looks like 4090 might be here sooner than later (fingers crossed):

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/zotac-geforce-rtx-4090-graphics-card-has-been-leaked

 

 

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Radeon RX 6600 has been released in the MXM form factor:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-radeon-rx-6600-emerges-in-mxm-form-factor

 

It'll be interesting to see if this allows us to use RSR and FSR on older laptops.

sweet find! every little bit helps, and i especially like the part where power envelope is easily unlocked for this model 🙂 

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

As long as they continue with sockets and not move to BGA filth, bare die should be the norm. It is the norm on laptops and there is no reason it can't or shouldn't be for desktops. It would not only work better, but it would reduce the cost of production and eliminate the hassles associated with delidding.

ha, im guessing the vendors couldnt be bothered with increased RMA rates due to huge desktop coolers crushing the brittle silicon chips beneath their high pressure mounting systems 😄 in laptops u only have wimpy lil heatsinks that have barely enough pressure to be kept in place during transport 😅 at least we still got delidding and direct die blocks to help us out in that regard.

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Looks like 4090 might be here sooner than later (fingers crossed):

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/zotac-geforce-rtx-4090-graphics-card-has-been-leaked

 

 

i got my trigger finger ready... 🤠

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

ha, im guessing the vendors couldnt be bothered with increased RMA rates due to huge desktop coolers crusihng the brittle silicon chips beneath their high pressure mounting systems 😄 in laptops u only have wimpy lil heatsinks that have barely enough pressure to be kept in place during transport 😅 at least we still got delidding and direct die blocks to help us out in that regard.

Everyone would be using a simple die frame, like a Rockitcool or der8auer die frame, built to specs provided by Intel, just like the ILM. Should be simple, easy, cost effective, produce superior results and be better for everyone involved. The fact that they haven't already done that is a little bit mysterious. The concept of having the IHS is kind of stupid IMHO. It is an impediment to heat dissipation and using one contributes to the thermal management woes of everyone that owns an Intel or AMD CPU built with an IHS. User-induced damage is not covered by warranty, so it wouldn't (shouldn't) matter to Intel (or AMD) if stupid, careless or inexperienced people crack the dies, etc. It wouldn't be their problem, nor should it be.

[Reciever]

My trigger finger seems to be prepping for Winter.

 

Thanks to @Tenoroon for sharing the link to the posting on fleabay, picked up a pre-modded P157SM-A with PremaMod for 250, hoping my 4980HQ will play nice with it, if so then I will likely spend more time looking into how to source one of those MXM RX 6600's, will pair nicely with that system I think. A nice send off for DDR3 era. 

 

Also purchased: 

 

2x GTX 690 Arctic Accelero Coolers since I found a listing for 28 each. Will likely just be patient with acquiring 690's themselves but the aftermarket coolers are typically hard to find.

 

GTX 295 for 45 USD

HD 4870X2 for 41 USD

2x EAH4890's for 38 USD

 

If memory serves me correctly I may be able to use the 4890's with the 4870X2 for Quad-Fire. If not I am sure I can find another by Winter for a decent price. Now to finally get my hands on Hiew's Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV for single GPU benching. 

 

Will probably get another GTX 295 if I find another for a good price, but I also want to find some 9800 GX2's.

[jaybee83]

21 minutes ago, Reciever said:

My trigger finger seems to be prepping for Winter.

 

Thanks to @Tenoroon for sharing the link to the posting on fleabay, picked up a pre-modded P157SM-A with PremaMod for 250, hoping my 4980HQ will play nice with it, if so then I will likely spend more time looking into how to source one of those MXM RX 6600's, will pair nicely with that system I think. A nice send off for DDR3 era. 

 

Also purchased: 

 

2x GTX 690 Arctic Accelero Coolers since I found a listing for 28 each. Will likely just be patient with acquiring 690's themselves but the aftermarket coolers are typically hard to find.

 

GTX 295 for 45 USD

HD 4870X2 for 41 USD

2x EAH4890's for 38 USD

 

If memory serves me correctly I may be able to use the 4890's with the 4870X2 for Quad-Fire. If not I am sure I can find another by Winter for a decent price. Now to finally get my hands on Hiew's Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV for single GPU benching. 

 

Will probably get another GTX 295 if I find another for a good price, but I also want to find some 9800 GX2's.

duuude, talk about classic hardware, sweet!

[Reciever]

2 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

duuude, talk about classic hardware, sweet!

I figure if I start this HWBOT journey old enough it wont hurt my wallet as much lol, plus there is the added benefit of nostalgia as most of that hardware was prominent when I first really entered in the performance realm of things.

 

Only thing that sucks is that I just got plex set up on the 10850K and well, its gonna have to go to another system. Maybe I will use my 5820x precision for it, actually a pretty good idea now that I think about it. Only issue is powering all the drives.

 

10850K is at 5Ghz but I believe its capable of 5.2Ghz iirc, should be fun to see how it will pair with the older hardware.

[Tenoroon]

Was browsing Marketplace a week ago and came across this for a great price. There’s a bit of a story on it, but the guy didn’t know too much about it, and just needed it gone. I may resell it for profit, but I may just keep it and demote the P870DM to overclocking and other shenanigans.

 

It’s a CyberPower branded P775TM1 with an 8700k, 1080, and a nice 1080p 144hz display. It’s been taken care of too, the keyboard was a bit nasty but I’ve cleaned it off.

 

Speaking of cleaning laptop keyboards. I usually wipe down my laptops with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol, but that seems to always leave these darkish stains in the keyboard. Is there anything you guys use to clean keyboards that doesn’t “stain” them?

Edit: I ran Unigine Heaven to check GPU temps as I know the P775X models were notorious for struggling to cool a 1080, and as soon as I ran the benchmark, the temps shot up to 90 and it throttled to all hell. I doubt this thing has been opened as when I opened the bottom panel, it was in pristine condition besides a bit of dust.

I've been reading about the P775, and I've seen all of the cooling mods and stuff done to these, but if I replace the GPU thermal pads with my K5 Pro and use better paste, would I still need to do that paperclip mod to increase the mounting pressure on the die? How I understand it now is that people did the paperclip mod to increase the contact between the die and heatsink because the stock pads were too tall and didn't let the heatsink make good contact with the die.

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

Was browsing Marketplace a week ago and came across this for a great price. There’s a bit of a story on it, but the guy didn’t know too much about it, and just needed it gone. I may resell it for profit, but I may just keep it and demote the P870DM to overclocking and other shenanigans.

 

It’s a CyberPower branded P775TM1 with an 8700k, 1080, and a nice 1080p 144hz display. It’s been taken care of too, the keyboard was a bit nasty but I’ve cleaned it off.

 

Speaking of cleaning laptop keyboards. I usually wipe down my laptops with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol, but that seems to always leave these darkish stains in the keyboard. Is there anything you guys use to clean keyboards that doesn’t “stain” them?

Edit: I ran Unigine Heaven to check GPU temps as I know the P775X models were notorious for struggling to cool a 1080, and as soon as I ran the benchmark, the temps shot up to 90 and it throttled to all hell. I doubt this thing has been opened as when I opened the bottom panel, it was in pristine condition besides a bit of dust.

I've been reading about the P775, and I've seen all of the cooling mods and stuff done to these, but if I replace the GPU thermal pads with my K5 Pro and use better paste, would I still need to do that paperclip mod to increase the mounting pressure on the die? How I understand it now is that people did the paperclip mod to increase the contact between the die and heatsink because the stock pads were too tall and didn't let the heatsink make good contact with the die.

 

Nice find, I sometimes regret not picking up @Mr. Fox's P870 but as well I was already working on my Ranger iirc at the time. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

Speaking of cleaning laptop keyboards. I usually wipe down my laptops with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol, but that seems to always leave these darkish stains in the keyboard. Is there anything you guys use to clean keyboards that doesn’t “stain” them?

I am not sure if I have seen an example of the stains you mention, but the issue I have always had getting a keyboard (desktop or laptop) to look like new is the fact that the keys are polished and have shiny spots from use. Nothing can be done to make it look new again on a laptop other than replace the keyboard. Same for touchpads, but mine generally stay looking like new because I refuse to use them unless I have no other alternative available. I loathe touchpads. I wish they sold laptops with a solid palmrest and no touchpad.

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

Was browsing Marketplace a week ago and came across this for a great price. There’s a bit of a story on it, but the guy didn’t know too much about it, and just needed it gone. I may resell it for profit, but I may just keep it and demote the P870DM to overclocking and other shenanigans.

 

It’s a CyberPower branded P775TM1 with an 8700k, 1080, and a nice 1080p 144hz display. It’s been taken care of too, the keyboard was a bit nasty but I’ve cleaned it off.

 

Speaking of cleaning laptop keyboards. I usually wipe down my laptops with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol, but that seems to always leave these darkish stains in the keyboard. Is there anything you guys use to clean keyboards that doesn’t “stain” them?

Edit: I ran Unigine Heaven to check GPU temps as I know the P775X models were notorious for struggling to cool a 1080, and as soon as I ran the benchmark, the temps shot up to 90 and it throttled to all hell. I doubt this thing has been opened as when I opened the bottom panel, it was in pristine condition besides a bit of dust.

I've been reading about the P775, and I've seen all of the cooling mods and stuff done to these, but if I replace the GPU thermal pads with my K5 Pro and use better paste, would I still need to do that paperclip mod to increase the mounting pressure on the die? How I understand it now is that people did the paperclip mod to increase the contact between the die and heatsink because the stock pads were too tall and didn't let the heatsink make good contact with the die.

 

I always use regular ol soap and water. I use a technique that I have dubbed a "dab bath" that makes sure I don't damage anything. Make sure to disconnect the laptop from power and disconnect the battery before doing this.

 

I apply small dabs of soap (about rice grain sized) in affected areas and rub it in with my finger. I then take a wet hand towel and wipe the surface, whether it be a laptop, keyboard, mouse, etc. I then rinse the towel of the soap and then repeat until all the soap on the device is gone.

 

After the dab bath is complete, I let everything dry for at least a few hours, then I check to see if there's any moisture left. If there is, I let the device dry for another few hours and check again. I repeat this pricess until the device is completely dry.

 

If you scrub oily spots with soap, you can typically get them out, although it does depend on how much the oil has soaked in.

 

17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am not sure if I have seen an example of the stains you mention, but the issue I have always had getting a keyboard (desktop or laptop) to look like new is the fact that the keys are polished and have shiny spots from use. Nothing can be done to make it look new again on a laptop other than replace the keyboard. Same for touchpads, but mine generally stay looking like new because I refuse to use them unless I have no other alternative available. I loathe touchpads. I wish they sold laptops with a solid palmrest and no touchpad.

 

All of my stuff always looks new. I'm a clean freak lol. My hands never leave any visible marks when touching stuff unless they're dirty.

 

Funnily enough, I never use touchpads either. I always connect a mouse to any computer I use.

[jaybee83]

11 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Was browsing Marketplace a week ago and came across this for a great price. There’s a bit of a story on it, but the guy didn’t know too much about it, and just needed it gone. I may resell it for profit, but I may just keep it and demote the P870DM to overclocking and other shenanigans.

 

It’s a CyberPower branded P775TM1 with an 8700k, 1080, and a nice 1080p 144hz display. It’s been taken care of too, the keyboard was a bit nasty but I’ve cleaned it off.

 

Speaking of cleaning laptop keyboards. I usually wipe down my laptops with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol, but that seems to always leave these darkish stains in the keyboard. Is there anything you guys use to clean keyboards that doesn’t “stain” them?

Edit: I ran Unigine Heaven to check GPU temps as I know the P775X models were notorious for struggling to cool a 1080, and as soon as I ran the benchmark, the temps shot up to 90 and it throttled to all hell. I doubt this thing has been opened as when I opened the bottom panel, it was in pristine condition besides a bit of dust.

I've been reading about the P775, and I've seen all of the cooling mods and stuff done to these, but if I replace the GPU thermal pads with my K5 Pro and use better paste, would I still need to do that paperclip mod to increase the mounting pressure on the die? How I understand it now is that people did the paperclip mod to increase the contact between the die and heatsink because the stock pads were too tall and didn't let the heatsink make good contact with the die.

similar approach to @Clamibot, but i dont use soap. basically just a cloth that ive previously rinsed with warm water and wrought out so thats its just damp enough to transfer some moisture and use that to get rid of any dirt / dust / oil buildup. 

i generally dont recommend to use isoprop on any plastic surfaces since its known to be able and leave permanent stains (depending on the plastic).