*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Alright, CENN said he’d buy the chip for $1,050 plus shipping and hook me up with a Z790 Dark from Vince too. I’ll do it. 😁😁😁

 

Yeah I would definitely take that deal. Z790 Dark is going to be $800+ all on its own when it makes its way to being offered on top of $1050 + S&H. That's nearly a $2k sale when all is said and done.

 

That is righteous and I'm so happy for you bro! Good stuff to good people. 🙂

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

Micro Center Prices RTX 4080 Close to RTX 4090's MSRP

 

If your budget can stretch to $1,500 for a RTX 4080, you may want to consider a RTX 4090 if you can find it near MSRP, which will be noticeably faster card for just $50 more on some models.

https://videocardz.com/newz/microcenter-confirms-geforce-rtx-4080-us-pricing-from-1199-to-1549

 

Who in the right mind would pay $1550 for an ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 ROG Strix Oc'd? 

Is this placeholder (MC confirm the price) or do Asus/Micro Center think consumers are stupid? 

 

It seems Asus is one of the worst Nvidia partners regarding price setting of own home baked Nvidia products. This is laughable and should not be taken seriously.

[Etern4l]

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

Micro Center Prices RTX 4080 Close to RTX 4090's MSRP

 

If your budget can stretch to $1,500 for a RTX 4080, you may want to consider a RTX 4090 if you can find it near MSRP, which will be noticeably faster card for just $50 more on some models.

https://videocardz.com/newz/microcenter-confirms-geforce-rtx-4080-us-pricing-from-1199-to-1549

 

Who in the right mind would pay $1550 for an ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 ROG Strix Overclocked? 

Is this placeholder (MC confirm the price) or do Asus/Micro Center think consumers are stupid? 

 

Artificial scarcity, or real shortages? We'll get some hints soon by looking at Radeon 7 availability.

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Alright, CENN said he’d buy the chip for $1,050 plus shipping and hook me up with a Z790 Dark from Vince too. I’ll do it. 😁😁😁

 

Looks good, congrats. Did that offer arrive after you pointed him to the unicorn chip pricing advice people provided in this thread?  

[Papusan]

6 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Artificial scarcity, or real shortages? We'll get some hints soon by looking at Radeon 7 availability.

If people want to pay $1550 for a 4080 then they are darn stupid. On a level I have never seen before.

[Etern4l]

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

If people want to pay $1550 for a 4080 then they are darn stupid. On a level I have never seen before.

 

Haha. I mean it's not too far off scalped prices during the crypto boom, except we are in recession, GPU mining is dead, and crypto is going from winter to collapse. I'll bet though some people will rationalise the spend by comparison to prices 18 months ago... Exactly as per Jensen' s plan: to party like it's 2021.

[electrosoft]

21 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Micro Center Prices RTX 4080 Close to RTX 4090's MSRP

 

If your budget can stretch to $1,500 for a RTX 4080, you may want to consider a RTX 4090 if you can find it near MSRP, which will be noticeably faster card for just $50 more on some models.

https://videocardz.com/newz/microcenter-confirms-geforce-rtx-4080-us-pricing-from-1199-to-1549

 

Who in the right mind would pay $1550 for an ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 ROG Strix Oc'd? 

Is this placeholder (MC confirm the price) or do Asus/Micro Center think consumers are stupid? 

 

It seems Asus is one of the worst Nvidia partners regarding price setting of own home baked Nvidia products. This is laughable and should not be taken seriously.

 

17 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Artificial scarcity, or real shortages? We'll get some hints soon by looking at Radeon 7 availability.

 

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

If people want to pay $1550 for a 4080 then they are darn stupid. On a level I have never seen before.

 

1 minute ago, Etern4l said:

 

Haha. I mean it's not too far off scalped prices during the crypto boom, except we are in recession, GPU mining is dead, and crypto is going from winter to collapse. I'll bet though some people will rationalise the spend by comparison to prices 18 months ago... 

 

Reasons:

 

#1. Still early in product launch

#2. 4090 "scarcity" (Prices on eBay are nowhere near what they were deep in the Crypto-Pandemic boom for 3090's)

#3. Worldwide inflation (If people in the US think we're the only ones, take a look around)

#4. Worldwide recession (See above)

#5. Holiday/buyers season

 

Once we get to Jan/Feb 2023 we will have an accurate picture of market conditions without Crypto upending everything along with the Pandemic, then the whole China thing and more.

 

I see some things I potentially want but right now I am even more entrenched in a firm hold pattern till next year (in theory 🙂 ) as early market conditions sort themselves out.

 

Of course I also said this too in the Fall of 2020 then ended up getting a 3090 FE in late October 2020 when one popped up on Best Buy.....so there's that. 🙂

 

While I still think the 3090 was overpriced at $1499.99 on launch there is no denying using that as a comparison, the 4090 offers an overall average 60% uptick in performance for $100 more even with CPI adjustment. It is a "good" value relatively speaking to Ampere.

 

4080 is overpriced hot garbage.

 

 

 

[tps3443]

Just now, Etern4l said:

 

Looks good, congrats. Did that offer arrive after you pointed him to the unicorn chip pricing advice you received in this thread?  

I think it was just something he had in his back pocket he waved it around very nonchalant like lol. 

 

9 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah I would definitely take that deal. Z790 Dark is going to be $800+ all on its own when it makes its way to being offered on top of $1050 + S&H. That's nearly a $2k sale when all is said and done.

 

That is righteous and I'm so happy for you bro! Good stuff to good people. 🙂

 

 

 

 

She’s taking an express flight to Germany! He will get it by Monday. So it may be featured in some live YouTube LN2 streaming by Team EVGA with Vince. Unless of course it turns out to have really bad cold bug or something.

[Etern4l]

17 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

#4. Worldwide recession (See above)

#5. Holiday/buyers season

 

Well, recessions generally pull prices down. As for holiday season, well, true, although Black Friday is coming. I wonder what will look like though in terms of graphics cards... Hopefully not "2% OFF! Expires is 2 minutes!".

 

17 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

#2. 4090 "scarcity" (Prices on eBay are nowhere near what they were deep in the Crypto-Pandemic boom for 3090's)

 

Basically manufacturers figured it's cool to do semi-paper releases. There is still no 4090 FE stock in NVIDIA shop in the US and UK. It's a joke. Intel was only a bit better. Now, it's possible they've recalled the cards to fix the 12VHPWR issue, but then one would expect some sort of statement.

[Papusan]

32 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

4080 is overpriced hot garbage.

You can't go wrong with whatever cheaper 4090 you go with (if you find one) compared to any 4080 cards. $1550 or $1199 is still very wrong for a xx80 card. Imagine if Nvidia have put same premium for 4090 vs 3090 ? They added $100 on top for the 4090. What did they add in premium for 4080 over older 3080 ? You can clearly see there is something very wrong with this 4xxx SKU.

Nvidia announces new RTX 3080 GPU, priced at $699

[tps3443]

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

You can't go wrong with whatever 4090 you go with (if you find one) compared to any 4080 cards. $1550 or $1199 is still very wrong. Imagine if Nvidia have put same premium for 4090 vs 3090 ? They added $100 for the 4090. What did they add in premium for 4080 over older 3080 ?

The market will be flooded soon with AMD and Nvidia GPU’s. I’ll happily sit back and wait with my 3090 KP HC. I’m waiting until I can pick through several options on Newegg. It may be a little while though.

[electrosoft]

28 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Well, recessions generally pull prices down. As for holiday season, well, true, although Black Friday is coming. I wonder what will look like though in terms of graphics cards... Hopefully not "2% OFF! Expires is 2 minutes!".

 

 

Basically manufacturers figured it's cool to do semi-paper releases. There is still no 4090 FE stock in NVIDIA shop in the US and UK. It's a joke. Intel was only a bit better. Now, it's possible they've recalled the cards to fix the 12VHPWR issue, but then one would expect some sort of statement.

 

Exactly with the recession and that is the rub. If the recession deepens (which it will), this demand curve will flatten sooner than later. Right now, the initial surge of demand is outpacing the slowly deepening of the recession but it will reach its equilibrium point sooner than later.

 

If we see a black friday sale on GPUs it will be lower end Ampere cards. 3090 and 3090ti's are basically out of stock everywhere or close to it but I see plenty of 3050-3070 stock in many places. Good time for a final "mark down" and clear it out.

 

Ampere and Turing went through the same thing on release. Initial sell out then low/no availability. Everyone starts to panic because of previous cycle PTSD but we are literally less than a month in still (October 12th) on a new product cycle.

 

Less than a month in and eBay/StockX prices are nowhere near the 3k+ people were paying for 3090s.

 

25 minutes ago, Papusan said:

You can't go wrong with whatever cheaper 4090 you go with (if you find one) compared to any 4080 cards. $1550 or $1199 is still very wrong. Imagine if Nvidia have put same premium for 4090 vs 3090 ? They added $100 for the 4090. What did they add in premium for 4080 over older 3080 ? You can clearly see there is something very wrong with this 4xxx SKU.

Nvidia announces new RTX 3080 GPU, priced at $699

 

Absolutely. 1080ti ($699) -> 2080ti ($999) -> 3090 ($1499) -> 4090 ($1599)  top end halo products priced ridiculously high but the generational performance leap is one of the highest yet the price increase is one of the lowest but we can't ignore that the massive price hike damage was done already.

 

4080? $699-->$1199. Jensen is doing to the second tier now what he did to the top tier before to bring it inline with already crazy high pricing. If he has his way, a 4070 will normalize to previous second tier pricing where we'll feel lucky to pay $699+ for a 4070/ti.

 

Best case scenario is 6 months from now stock is flush, sales continue to stagnate or decrease and Nvidia has to re-evaluate their position both current cards and future generations.

 

When pushed, we saw what can happen (3090ti $1999 -> $1099), albeit all 3090ti's are creeping back up in cost now when you can find them.

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

14 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The market will be flooded soon with AMD and Nvidia GPU’s. I’ll happily sit back and wait with my 3090 KP HC. I’m waiting until I can pick through several options on Newegg. It may be a little while though.

 

This.

 

My only dilemma is 3090ti prices are up even for generic models on eBay (makes sense, considering the entire product cycle of the 3090ti was much shorter than the 3090) and I have to fight the temptation to sell my KPE 3090ti for $2k'ish and basically end up with a free PSU out of the whole thing because it is running nice and sweet but I know a 4090 or 7900xtx would basically lock me into a near flat 140fps everywhere in WoW (144hz display capped at 140fps). I have a brand new EVGA Z690 Classified too sitting on the shelf and they are going for $400+ on eBay again. Tempted to sell that also....

 

.....like you and your 13900kf. 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

[johnksss]

30 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

This.

 

My only dilemma is 3090ti prices are up even for generic models on eBay (makes sense, considering the entire product cycle of the 3090ti was much shorter than the 3090) and I have to fight the temptation to sell my KPE 3090ti for $2k'ish and basically end up with a free PSU out of the whole thing because it is running nice and sweet but I know a 4090 or 7900xtx would basically lock me into a near flat 140fps everywhere in WoW (144hz display capped at 140fps). I have a brand new EVGA Z690 Classified too sitting on the shelf and they are going for $400+ on eBay again. Tempted to sell that also....

 

.....like you and your 13900kf. 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

2k huh, that sounds rather ambitious! Do not let the 2k cards with fake bidding fool you.😂

[tps3443]

What should I do? I just got this message from Falk. The funds are normal PayPal. Not F&F. I’m really worried now. I haven’t shipped. But did just buy an expensive label to Germany. 😔 and then I see this PM.
 

[Reciever]

10 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What should I do? I just got this message from Falk. The funds are normal PayPal. Not F&F. I’m really worried now. I haven’t shipped. But did just buy an expensive label to Germany. 😔 and then I see this PM.
 

Found it strange that Falkentyne never made it over to this forum considering how active he used to be. I figured he was taking a break or something

[tps3443]

1 minute ago, Reciever said:

Found it strange that Falkentyne never made it over to this forum considering how active he used to be. I figured he was taking a break or something

Yeah he’s in with Asus, and bios testing and stuff like that. Extremely busy is all. 

[johnksss]

13 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What should I do? I just got this message from Falk. The funds are normal PayPal. Not F&F. I’m really worried now. I haven’t shipped. But did just buy an expensive label to Germany. 😔 and then I see this PM.
 

Looks like it might be a no go then....

Falk is part of our hwbot team as well.

[tps3443]

Just now, johnksss said:

Looks like it might be a no go then....

Falk is part of our hwbot team as well.

There goes $107 dollars down the drain. Omg lolz

[Etern4l]

18 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What should I do? I just got this message from Falk. The funds are normal PayPal. Not F&F. I’m really worried now. I haven’t shipped. But did just buy an expensive label to Germany. 😔 and then I see this PM.
 

 

Well, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is. Interesting to know how a scam like that might work (other than the EVGA mobo not materialising). Did he send you the money already?

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

2k huh, that sounds rather ambitious! Do not let the 2k cards with fake bidding fool you.😂

 

LOL, one way to find out! 😂🤣

[tps3443]

3 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Well, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is. Interesting to know how a scam like that might work (other than the EVGA mobo not materialising). Did he send you the money already?

 

He sent the money but, it’s normal PayPal. I don’t wanna get screwed over and he file a false claim or send me back a burnt chip or something.  I mean apparently he does that. 
 

 

I’ll refund it, and he can do F&F and I’ll ship it. But now I cannot do it..

[Etern4l]

18 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

He sent the money but, it’s normal PayPal. I don’t wanna get screwed over and he file a false claim or send me back a burnt chip or something.  I mean apparently he does that. 
 

 

I’ll refund it, and he can do F&F and I’ll ship it. But now I cannot do it..

 

Ugh, a bit of a mess, sorry about that. To be fair, I did warn you but the guy was supposed to be legit.... Good thing you got the last minute warning I guess. I'm sure you can contact PayPal support and tell them to cancel the transaction and refund the guy. Fair to assume he won't do an F&F payment, even if he is legit.

[electrosoft]

25 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What should I do? I just got this message from Falk. The funds are normal PayPal. Not F&F. I’m really worried now. I haven’t shipped. But did just buy an expensive label to Germany. 😔 and then I see this PM.
 

 

I definitely trust Falkentyne. He's a straight shooter to a fault in all the good ways. I'm not saying CENS wouldn't be on the up and up but I'd pass or do F&F and want the motherboard before I ship anything out in light up that update. Worse case scenario? You keep a fantastic CPU specimen. It's a great chip. Enjoy it!

 

 

[electrosoft]

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

There goes $107 dollars down the drain. Omg lolz

 

You can always get a refund on S&H. It just can take a bit if that is about the $107.