*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

13900KS performance leaks

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-13900ks-is-10-faster-than-i9-12900ks-in-first-single-core-synthetic-tests

Which means 5.8GHz on all P-cores due Thermal Velocity Boost. With not the best cooling and this clock speed will drop down to 13900K all core (P-cores) boost. Intel binned the P-cores but forgot their Ugly child (E-cores). Isn't that cute?😀 The baby cores can't use the TVB tech so. 

 

Thermal Velocity Boost was Intel's gods saviour for BGA junk. Intel capped the added boost clock at 55C for first gen 6 cores mobile HK processors. Thermal Velocity Boost is mostly for burst load. Fast up and fast down. Crappy laptop cooling couldn't handle it any different. Intel continued make it better for desktop processors. Aka more cores could utilize this tech.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Which means 5.8GHz on all P-cores due Thermal Velocity Boost. With not the best cooling and this clock speed will drop down to 13900K all core (P-cores) boost. Intel binned the P-cores but forgot their Ugly child (E-cores). Isn't that cute?😀 The baby cores can't use the TVB tech so. 

 

Thermal Velocity Boost was Intel's gods saviour for BGA junk. Intel capped the added boost clock at 55C for first gen 6 cores mobile HK processors. Thermal Velocity Boost is mostly for burst load. Fast up and fast down. Crappy laptop cooling couldn't handle it any different. Intel continued make it better for desktop processors. Aka more cores could utilize this tech.

I’ve never seen my 13900K’s hit 5.7Ghz all cores without overclocking. So, I’m guessing a 13900KS would never hit 5.8 right? Their normal all core boost is identical?

 

I may give +1 or +2 TVB a try with my new 13900K. Ideally I’d like to run 6.0-6.4 with it. Or at least 5.9-6.3. 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

I guess it must be RT performance worries, or DLSS3, otherwise the 7900XTX destroys the 3090Ti on raw specs while being much more compact:

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-xtx.c3941

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3090-ti.c3829

 

 

Maybe. Certainly a reason to avoid AMD if you care about ray tracing, especially. For me, and probably others who have had similar experiences, it is a lack of confidence in AMD products to function well, an abbreviated lifespan, and garbage drivers. I have had severe reliability issues with AMD GPUs and the notion of rolling the dice to see if they've got something good to offer is very unsettling. I've had more misery with defective and unreliable AMD GPUs than any other technology-related experience. If I could get one for free so that I didn't have to use my own money for an experiment, I might end up changing my mind and become less risk-averse. But, I am not a gambler and don't want to risk my money on something that I have good reason to expect (based on past experience) will provide a less than satisfying ownership experience.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I’ve never seen my 13900K’s hit 5.7Ghz all cores without overclocking. So, I’m guessing a 13900KS would never hit 5.8 right? Their normal all core boost is identical?

 

I may give +1 or +2 TVB a try with my new 13900K. Ideally I’d like to run 6.0-6.4 with it. Or at least 5.9-6.3. 

I expect the main difference is higher ABT and 1 and two cores Thermal Velocity boost for the KS. An easy explanation here... All core turbo is the same as showed in pict above (same for K and KS)

 

The highest boost clocks determines from thermal headroom and power budget. The teori is that TVB should work up to 70C. Above this temp threshold and the max boost will sink one bin.

 

 

The higher ABT for the KS chips is probably the reason the KS score higher in Multi threaded performance. But Geekbench is an weird benchmarks, so we need to see CBR20/23 (all cores load) to have a final results.

 

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 drops to £1099 in UK, £100 below current MSRP videocardz.com

 

A limited offer or a sign of the incoming price cut?

 

I would be damn angry if I paid MSRP for 4080 and nvidia reduce it for new customers.

 

The 4080 was priced wrong from the beginning and the guinea pig gamers paid the ultimate price. Maybe the screwed one should send a nice Christmas card to Jensen this year🙂

 

[Etern4l]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe. Certainly a reason to avoid AMD if you care about ray tracing, especially. For me, and probably others who have had similar experiences, it is a lack of confidence in AMD products to function well, an abbreviated lifespan, and garbage drivers. I have had severe reliability issues with AMD GPUs and the notion of rolling the dice to see if they've got something good to offer is very unsettling. I've had more misery with defective and unreliable AMD GPUs than any other technology-related experience. If I could get one for free so that I didn't have to use my own money for an experiment, I might end up changing my mind and become less risk-averse. But, I am not a gambler and don't want to risk my money on something that I have good reason to expect (based on past experience) will provide a less than satisfying ownership experience.

 

And yet, you've declared willingness to try Intel ARC? Surely that's less mature and stable. Perhaps you are not risk-averse, but are a little biased? Not saying that for no historical reason at all. Guess let's wait until Tuesday to see what they say about the 7900XTX. We can post funny Linus videos all day, but the only way to really say "FU" to Nvidia is by not giving them any money.

[Mr. Fox]

52 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

And yet, you've declared willingness to try Intel ARC? Surely that's less mature and stable. Perhaps you are not risk-averse, but are a little biased? Not saying that for no historical reason at all. Guess let's wait until Tuesday to see what they say about the 7900XTX. We can post funny Linus videos all day, but the only way to really say "FU" to Nvidia is by not giving them any money.

Yes, because I had a really miserable history of multiple defective AMD GPUs, or AMD GPUs that stopped functioning in a year or less, had horrible driver support and totally sucked at overclocking. That's why. Conversely, Intel has never failed me in the grand ways that AMD has more than a dozen times. I am less worried about something turning out wrong and never being resolved with Intel than I am AMD. They may be better now, but I am extremely skeptical, and my recent miserable experience with 5950X/X570 reinforced the basis of my skepticism hadn't changed with time. The idea of giving them another chance is extremely difficult for me. Given their track record of producing unreliable products, I basically have no apetite for risk or forgiveness with them if there is a monetary cost associated with it. I would be more than happy to if I didn't have to use any of my money for that experimental journey. Maybe if I lived in an area with a Microcenter, I would throw caution to the wind and get all of my money back, no questions asked, if I didn't like it.

 

Taking a chance on a $350 GPU is also very different than a $1000~ GPU, regardless of who made it.

[Etern4l]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, because I had a really miserable history of multiple defective AMD GPUs, or AMD GPUs that stopped functioning in a year or less, had horrible driver support and totally sucked at overclocking. That's why. Conversely, Intel has never failed me in the grand ways that AMD has more than a dozen times. I am less worried about something turning out wrong and never being resolved with Intel than I am AMD. They may be better now, but I am extremely skeptical, and my recent miserable experience with 5950X/X570 reinforced the basis of my skepticism hadn't changed with time. The idea of giving them another chance is extremely difficult for me. Given their track record of producing unreliable products, I basically have no apetite for risk or forgiveness with them if there is a monetary cost associated with it. I would be more than happy to if I didn't have to use any of my money for that experimental journey. Maybe if I lived in an area with a Microcenter, I would throw caution to the wind and get all of my money back, no questions asked, if I didn't like it.

 

Taking a chance on a $350 GPU is also very different than a $1000~ GPU, regardless of who made it.

 

Oh dear, but fair enough. I didn't realise it was so bad. Having never owned an AMD component, I'm in no position to argue. Just hoping Team Red can improve as the competition they provide is sorely needed. 

 

BTW Am I reading this right? 3090 Ti FE is about the same width (or height, depending on how you look at it) as the 4090? About 138mm.

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, tps3443 said:

My 13900K with SP121 P-Cores finally made it out of Postal customs and it’s roaming the nation as we speak making its way to home. 🤪
 

13900KS leaked specs look weak to me 🧐... It has the same all core frequency’s as a normal 13900K? And the same ring frequency? And the same E-Core frequencies too? I’m guessing the 13900KS is probably SP110+ P-Core CPU. 
 

13900KS (2) core turbo 6.0Ghz

13900KS all core boost 5.4Ghz 

13900KS Base frequency 3.2Ghz

 

I have a normal “run of the mill” 13900K right now (Force 143). And it’s hammering down 5.8-6.0Ghz P-Cores, with 4.5Ghz E-Cores, and a whopping 5.2Ghz  BIG DOG OC on the ring 🤣! “This is with my chiller off” 😎 These chips are all flipping awesome regardless of the bin.

 

 

10 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Let's put the myth that Intel guarantees any binning with their KS products to rest My 12900KS was Force 165, unless that bad rating was somehow effected by the poor PSU. 

 

Some 12900ks were pretty bad. I got an SP94 that was actually pretty decent.

 

As for 13900K and 13900KS? I'm definitely skipping both and sticking with my 12900k for now till the Raptor refresh in the fall unless 7950X3D is a monster.

 

 

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

Is it... Is it what I think it is?😀 Hmmm. Bro @electrosoft are you ready for some shoes? This box is huge enough to contain several pair of "all black" Crocs😜 

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Not everyday I have two brand new graphics cards in my hands. The small one is the 3070 who will go rigth in to my youngest sons new build. I usually buy used cards. Because I'm not a big gamer and hence not the big need for new every second year. 

 

What surprised me... How is it possible that the package arrived within 24 hours. The normal minimum is 5 days. Maybe they had a huge shipment going on for this part of country and used the flight this time. Oh'well. I need to wait for my BeQuiet adapter. And I most likely have to re-do my custom cooling. How much easier it would be with standard card. Even with the biggest chassis as the 1000D I need to change things to make it fits. 

 

 

Hoping it is the Suprim X and NOT a box full of Crocs.... 😆

[Etern4l]

35 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Some 12900ks were pretty bad. I got an SP94 that was actually pretty decent.

 

As for 13900K and 13900KS? I'm definitely skipping both and sticking with my 12900k for now till the Raptor refresh in the fall unless 7950X3D is a monster.

 

 

 

Hoping it is the Suprim X and NOT a box full of Crocs.... 😆

 

OK so the Force/SP ratings might not be meaningfully comparable across CPUs. 

 

The 13900K is an absolutely monstrous upgrade - I mean +30-40% multicore performance improvement over the 12900KS is insane, but obviously only worth it if the current CPU gets maxed out by whatever it's used for. 

[cylix]

Sapphire looks nice, if no white board comes up i think ill go with it.

https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-nitro-graphics-card-has-been-pictured

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Oh dear, but fair enough. I didn't realise it was so bad. Having never owned an AMD component, I'm in no position to argue. Just hoping Team Red can improve as the competition they provide is sorely needed. 

I honestly value the fact that AMD has brought competition to NVIDIA. I am grateful for it and agree it is sorely needed. I just don't personally have enough confidence that I would be content enough with the outcome to show any appreciation financially.

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

BTW Am I reading this right? 3090 Ti FE is about the same width (or height, depending on how you look at it) as the 4090? About 138mm.

I am not sure. It is not something I pay attention to. I don't mind massive parts, but I make all my GPUs smaller by installing a waterblock. 4090 is actually a freakishly small GPU. Only the heatsinks are massive.

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

The 13900K is an absolutely monstrous upgrade - I mean +30-40% multicore performance improvement over the 12900KS is insane, but obviously only worth it if the current CPU gets maxed out by whatever it's used for. 

I really like the 13900K a lot. I might even go as far to say, my favorite CPU so far. X299 HEDT was awesome and so was 129000K/KS, but not as good as 13900K.

 

I wish my silicon sample was just a tad better, but it is not terrible and it is a very good, and powerful, processor. I wish all of the E-cores were P-cores, but that does not diminish the fact that it is an excellent product.

[Etern4l]

4 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Oh dear, but fair enough. I didn't realise it was so bad. Having never owned an AMD component, I'm in no position to argue. Just hoping Team Red can improve as the competition they provide is sorely needed. 

 

BTW Am I reading this right? 3090 Ti FE is about the same width (or height, depending on how you look at it) as the 4090? About 138mm.

 

I'm really confused by this. Techpowerup specs claim both cards are 61mm/3slot, whereas on this video the 3090ti appears to be thinner:

 

[Mr. Fox]

17 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

I'm really confused by this. Techpowerup specs claim both cards are 61mm/3slot, whereas on this video the 3090ti appears to be thinner:

 

It certainly looks that way to me as well. I am not convinced that statement is accurate. If it is, then it is a bizarre optical illusion.

 

The Helios is a nice really looking case. It's fairly large, but still too small to be useful for me. Especially the limited clearance above the motherboard. Not sure why case manufacturers think it is cute to make that space so cramped. It is really stupid. You should have ample clearance to put a really fat radiator with push/pull fans in that space without any difficulty or feeling of being cramped.

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

It certainly looks that way to me as well. I am not convinced that statement is accurate. If it is, then it is a bizarre optical illusion.

 

The Helios is a nice really looking case. It's fairly large, but still too small to be useful for me. Especially the limited clearance above the motherboard. Not sure why case manufacturers think it is cute to make that space so cramped. It is really stupid. You should have ample clearance to put a really fat radiator with push/pull fans in that space without any difficulty or feeling of being cramped.

 

OK, I think I'm going to just grab one of those 3090 Ti's.. Might get away with using the current case that way. 

 

Joining the Desperate Slaves of Nvidia Club:

 

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

And yet, you've declared willingness to try Intel ARC? Surely that's less mature and stable. Perhaps you are not risk-averse, but are a little biased? 

It's alll about the costs. But buy a high end AMD or Intel ARC is a no go. Only cheaper models to have some fun

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

They may be better now, but I am extremely skeptical...

 

Taking a chance on a $350 GPU is also very different than a $1000~ GPU, regardless of who made it.

AMD Radeon RX 7900 in 3DMark
We now have the very first confirmed 3DMark results of AMD’s upcoming Radeon 7900 series.
https://videocardz.com/newz/first-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-7900-xt-3dmark-timespy-firestrikes-scores-are-in

 

4080 and Radeon 7900 series is a no go for me. 4080 is stupid priced and need to go below or same price as AMDs new cards. Proper price for 4080 should be $800.

 

But I guess Nvidia will put new 4080 MSRP at $1099. Aka a bit higher than AMDs fastest card to steal sales and increas the market shares. But nothing coming close to 4090 from AMD, hence nvidia can and will continue with the awful prices for this card. 

 

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX & RX 7900 XT 3DMark GPU Benchmarks Leak, Trading Blows With The NVIDIA RTX 4080
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-rx-7900-xt-3dmark-gpu-benchmarks-leak-trade-blows-with-nvidia-rtx-4080/

 

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX/XT reviews go live on December 12th, a day before launch videocardz.com
The RDNA3 review embargo date has been confirmed.

 

The awful news with AMDs new 7900 Radeon cards... They have just legitimated a higher price point for xx80 SKUs. Nvidia isnt the only one to blame for this new price point. AMD is equal disgusting. What a price hike for low tier high end perfomance. From $700 up to $1000. What a awful times for gamers. First the crazy mining race with Ampere series graphics, now increased MSRP from all graphics cards manufacturers on next gen graphics cards. 

 

This smells more like an agreement between the two big to increase profits. Offer xx80 performance and put MSRP at $1000 is awful. AMD don't want to compete as it seems now. All they want is to increase profits. Just look at the performance graph.... Sub/equal xx80 performance at $1000 is the greedy mans work. 

 

So today's question will be... Is there a reason to release a 4090 Ti FE at +-2000$ that will completely destroy AIB partners sales of custom 4090? AMD have nothing to compete with in high end, so maybe Nvidia will throw it out when AMDs shuffle out the refresh of the 7900 Radeon cards (7950XTX)? Or just release it middle spring 2023 put the price point around $2499 to grab the spenders?

5 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 The 13900K is an absolutely monstrous upgrade - I mean +30-40% multicore performance improvement over the 12900KS is insane, but obviously only worth it if the current CPU gets maxed out by whatever it's used for. 

I fixed it for you 🙂

[cylix]

Well nice at least its competitive against the 4080 at a more competitive price. That sould force nvidia to stop asking for that insane price of 4080..at least one foot to the ground for nvidia.  Hope amd can do a miracle with the refresh and get after the 4090

[Etern4l]

26 minutes ago, cylix said:

Well nice at least its competitive against the 4080 at a more competitive price. That sould force nvidia to stop asking for that insane price of 4080..at least one foot to the ground for nvidia.  Hope amd can do a miracle with the refresh and get after the 4090

 

Thanks. Unfortunately the 4080 has the exact same Chungus-class dimensions as the 4090, which is idiotic or lazy design/cost saving. Plus I need the 24GB and the NVLink option could well come in handy. 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Thanks. Unfortunately the 4080 has the exact same Chungus-class dimensions as the 4090, which is idiotic or lazy design/cost saving. Plus I need the 24GB and the NVLink option could well come in handy. 

Probably more because Nvidia was late out determine board power. I think they reduced TDP for the 4080/4090 cards when they had enough inside info for what AMD would offer for Radeon 7900. So it was too late in the development cycle make changes for the cooling design. They could have saved on the cost with a smaller cooler. But for me... Bigger is  better. Always🙂

[Etern4l]

18 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Probably more because Nvidia was late out determine board power. I think they reduced TDP for the 4080/4090 cards when they had enough inside info for what AMD would offer for Radeon 7900. So it was too late in the development cycle make changes for the cooling design. They could have saved on the cost with a smaller cooler. But for me... Bigger is  better. Always🙂

For people like you they should just ship those with a water block :) That would probably decapitate AIBs though. 

[Clamibot]

16 hours ago, jcordero said:

Wow! Your CPU must have been hella happy with those mods. Can you link me any tutorials and where to get these parts? Also, what BIOS settings did you use?

 

If you have the Prema BIOS, which I think you do, you should do the following:

• Disable Ring Down Bin
• Set the performance mode to Hyperperformance

I find that Hyperperformance mode yields the best stability while overclocking on this laptop, plus it opens up the power limits. Those are the only two settings I've adjusted for overlocking. I've set the non-turbo ratio to 8 so I can downclock and save power when using the laptop away from a power outlet. I'm also using adaptive voltage, but you'll of course get better results with static voltage. I just don't like using static voltage because it wastes power when the laptop is idle.

 

I'm using Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal on the CPU. The washers are just regular small sized washers that will fit the standard computer screws used in this laptop. The 4th CPU screw (the one that kinda hangs off to the side in a weird position) has also been cut off since it creates uneven mounting pressure on the CPU. As for the IHS, it's a 10th gen Rockitcool full copper IHS, which you can get here: https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/collections/10th-gen/products/copper-ihs-for-10th-gen

 

If you'd like, I can message you pictures of the inside of my machine.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

For people like you they should just ship those with a water block 🙂 That would probably decapitate AIBs though. 

They have already come a long way to do that. Same  increased OC board power (even higher than many AIC cards), boost clocks and are almost on par with cooling. And the best binned vram chips on top. No wonder EVGA jumped the ship. So why not make a model with water block?😄 Maybe a bit too early. Need a bit more time to eat up their own partners. The whole sales infrastructure has to be modernized first. Take over the whole AIC partners sales can't be done over a week or a month. 

 

 

 

Edit. Need to redo the water loop. And I need parts for that. Not easy find right before Cristmas. Maybe a job in the New year if I cand find what I want. So I had  to find a way to mount the bad boy in the big black box. Worlds biggest chassis don't help much if the radiators you already use is too big and eat all space. Won't be used much before I get the new cable from Be Quiet (on the way but when). Easy hear the click from the modern adapter cable when I mount it in the card. If it burn, it wont be my fault, LOOL

 

I had aviable 3 mm space between the top radiator fans and the radiator for the GPU. And the radiator for the Gpu don't sit snug with the chassis wall due I can't put it higher up to mount it properly. Hence steel wires and the tubes down.  

 

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, cylix said:

Sapphire looks nice, if no white board comes up i think ill go with it.

https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-nitro-graphics-card-has-been-pictured

 

Sapphire model looks real nice and 3x power connectors too. The AMD reference model is a non-starter for me with 2x power connectors and conservative cooling design.

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

It's alll about the costs. But buy a high end AMD or Intel ARC is a no go. Only cheaper models to have some fun

AMD Radeon RX 7900 in 3DMark
We now have the very first confirmed 3DMark results of AMD’s upcoming Radeon 7900 series.
https://videocardz.com/newz/first-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-7900-xt-3dmark-timespy-firestrikes-scores-are-in

 

4080 and Radeon 7900 series is a no go for me. 4080 is stupid priced and need to go below or same price as AMDs new cards. Proper price for 4080 should be $800.

 

But I guess Nvidia will put new 4080 MSRP at $1099. Aka a bit higher than AMDs fastest card to steal sales and increas the market shares. But nothing coming close to 4090 from AMD, hence nvidia can and will continue with the awful prices for this card. 

 

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX & RX 7900 XT 3DMark GPU Benchmarks Leak, Trading Blows With The NVIDIA RTX 4080
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-rx-7900-xt-3dmark-gpu-benchmarks-leak-trade-blows-with-nvidia-rtx-4080/

 

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX/XT reviews go live on December 12th, a day before launch videocardz.com
The RDNA3 review embargo date has been confirmed.

 

The awful news with AMDs new 7900 Radeon cards... They have just legitimated a higher price point for xx80 SKUs. Nvidia isnt the only one to blame for this new price point. AMD is equal disgusting. What a price hike for low tier high end perfomance. From $700 up to $1000. What a awful times for gamers. First the crazy mining race with Ampere series graphics, now increased MSRP from all graphics cards manufacturers on next gen graphics cards. 

 

This smells more like an agreement between the two big to increase profits. Offer xx80 performance and put MSRP at $1000 is awful. AMD don't want to compete as it seems now. All they want is to increase profits. Just look at the performance graph.... Sub/equal xx80 performance at $1000 is the greedy mans work. 

 

So today's question will be... Is there a reason to release a 4090 Ti FE at +-2000$ that will completely destroy AIB partners sales of custom 4090? AMD have nothing to compete with in high end, so maybe Nvidia will throw it out when AMDs shuffle out the refresh of the 7900 Radeon cards (7950XTX)? Or just release it middle spring 2023 put the price point around $2499 to grab the spenders?

I fixed it for you 🙂

 

Nvidia is in the driver seat for the halo / top end product. AMD simply can't compete. A 4090ti is a sure bet at $2k for those who demand the absolute best and will pay for the meaningful bump in CUDA cores and refinements. Nvidia won't leave that financial nugget off the table regardless of whether AMD is able to double down and bring X3D to their GPUs or whatever magic they will need to work if they want to actually target the clear top dog this time around no questions asked.

 

As for anything not 4090? It's all weak sauce this time around. Every card including the 7900xtx and 4080 (especially cost) aren't substantial upgrades over the 3090ti or even a 6950xt. It starts to become a game of features and price:performance. Raw performance upgrade? There's just nothing out there that can touch a 4090. It is just that much of a monster GPU. I can see for price:performance though the 7900xtx being an option but only an AIB model and suddenly that $999.99 card is $1199.99.

 

Wait for competition/saturation markdowns or go grab a used 3090/ti or 6900xt/50xt and call it a wrap if you're not targeting a 4090 for even more savings.

 

If the 4080 hits below $1k it starts to become a less horrible option.

 

Real reviews will give much more clarity in actual game play but still...

 

And to think I was thinking the 7900xtx was going to be a monster of a GPU based on early rumors and leaks  lol....silly me. 🤣

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Nvidia is in the driver seat for the halo / top end product. AMD simply can't compete. A 4090ti is a sure bet at $2k for those who demand the absolute best and will pay for the meaningful bump in CUDA cores and refinements. Nvidia won't leave that financial nugget off the table regardless of whether AMD is able to double down and bring X3D to their GPUs or whatever magic they will need to work if they want to actually target the clear top dog this time around no questions asked.

 

As for anything not 4090? It's all weak sauce this time around.

Nvidia have a price problem with 4090. Because the AIC partners sell custom cards at sub $2000. A 4090 Fe would destroy the sales of custom 4090's. The performance increase from 4090 to 4090 Ti is too big paying same price for Ti as a custom xx90 from AIB partners. This would mean people will scrap custom 4090 and rather go with 4090 Fe. What you think the AIC partners would say to this if Nvidia did it this way? The EVGA case would be a mild blow compared. Me... Seeing Nvidia need to put a higher price tag if they release this card this spring. Nothing below $2299. Custom cards well above $2499.  And I doubt Nvidia will reduce prices for 4090 right now. Or ever.

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

And to think I was thinking the 7900xtx was going to be a monster of a GPU based on early rumors and leaks  lol....silly me. 🤣

 

 

 

Everyone had good reason to believe 7900 XTX would be a game-changer and the performance crown contender based on all of the overhyped crap marketing baloney. You weren't silly at all. You just heard the same nonsense that the rest of us did, and who doesn't want to believe good news. There is so little of it lately, it is natural and good to have optimism. If we lose hope, there is nothing left. We live in a world where good reasons to have hope are becoming rare. So, our take-away is don't believe anything we hear. Believe what we see and act on fact. But, we should never lose hope that the good things we hear won't be a load of crap after the fat lady sings. That doesn't solve the problem of criminal pricing.

[Papusan]

28 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Wait for competition/saturation markdowns or go grab a used 3090/ti or 6900xt/50xt and call it a wrap if you're not targeting a 4090 for even more savings.

 

If the 4080 hits below $1k it starts to become a less horrible option

And then we have 4070 Ti coming out in January. Less or equal performance vs 3090. If people are smart... Check the sales pages forward to see if they can grab a card from previous gen. Me see it will be hard for Nvidia put the 4080 at $999. Why should they if this card parform slightly above what the best AMD can offer? On top they have better features. 

17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Everyone had good reason to believe 7900 XTX would be a game-changer and the performance crown contender based on all of the overhyped crap marketing baloney. You weren't silly at all. You just heard the same nonsense that the rest of us did, and who doesn't want to believe good news.

 

The worst of this mess. AMD can't even compete properly with xx80 from Nvidia. And Nvidia have still not released a xx80 Ti.