*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

Jensen:  "If you have a 2080ti it's ok to go ahead and upgrade" 🤑

 

Crazy bi-generational uplift for top tier card.

 

 

[Etern4l]

20 minutes ago, cylix said:

Price leak amazon france:

SAPPHIRE AMD Radeon™ RX 7900 XTX Gaming Graphics Card 24GB GDDR6 HDMI / Dual DP / USB-C - 1 319,00€ (amazon.fr)

 

 

 

Merde!

[Raiderman]

12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Jensen:  "If you have a 2080ti it's ok to go ahead and upgrade" 🤑

 

Crazy bi-generational uplift for top tier card.

 

 

Is it me, or is it hard to see any discernable difference in image quality? Also, why is the cpu usage so high in the 4090? TBH, if the FPS werent displayed, I couldnt tell the difference.

Also, why is 24gb needed on a video card?

[electrosoft]

8 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Is it me, or is it hard to see any discernable difference in image quality? Also, why is the cpu usage so high in the 4090? TBH, if the FPS werent displayed, I couldnt tell the difference.

Also, why is 24gb needed on a video card?

 

I wouldn't expect much difference in image quality if they're running identical settings. 2080ti isn't pressing the CPU as hard (GPU bottlenecking) vs the 4090 which is giving the CPU much more work to render frames.

 

It is hard to discern fps differences in YT videos but once you actually sit down and play and have those sub 60fps sessions versus high fps gaming (100+) you will feel the difference immediately especially in fast paced games.

 

24GB is aimed more at prosumers and those who actually need it but it never hurts to have it. 🙂 Plus with the way memory topology works it corrolates to the 384-bit memory bus width.

 

 

 

 

[cylix]

Amazon US prices:

https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-card-has-been-listed-for-1099-by-amazon-xt-variant-for-979

 

big difference with 4080

[Etern4l]

10 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I wouldn't expect much difference in image quality if they're running identical settings. 2080ti isn't pressing the CPU as hard (GPU bottlenecking) vs the 4090 which is giving the CPU much more work to render frames.

 

It is hard to discern fps differences in YT videos but once you actually sit down and play and have those sub 60fps sessions versus high fps gaming (100+) you will feel the difference immediately especially in fast paced games.

 

24GB is aimed more at prosumers and those who actually need it but it never hurts to have it. 🙂 Plus with the way memory topology works it corrolates to the 384-bit memory bus width.

 

 

 

 

 

Just to add on the RAM question: you can see that those titles are already pushing 13GB. Those are not really 4090-class productions, basically legacy at this point. VRAM utilisation just 25% higher than this would push it over 16GB. But yeah, obviously not necessary to support the games available today. From gamer's perspective 24GB means healthy future-proofing, for those who don't buy a new $2k graphics card every year.

[Raiderman]

10 minutes ago, cylix said:

Amazon US prices:

https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-card-has-been-listed-for-1099-by-amazon-xt-variant-for-979

 

big difference with 4080

Thats a huge difference, I wonder if AMD will supply Windows 7 drivers?

 

 

This is a little scary though!

https://www.techspot.com/news/96900-amazon-refused-refund-customer-who-received-putty-filled.html

[Mr. Fox]

31 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Thats a huge difference, I wonder if AMD will supply Windows 7 drivers?

 

 

This is a little scary though!

https://www.techspot.com/news/96900-amazon-refused-refund-customer-who-received-putty-filled.html

Not likely. If they did I might be receptive to giving AMD one more chance to prove they deserve my patronage. That failure, specifically, played a part in my decision to drop the Arc A770 out of my shopping cart. I am trying to decide now whether to bite the bullet on the idea of Mr. Fox dropping all Windows support and just sucking it up and living with Linux and its shortcomings. I could keep it on a small NVMe on my work computer for work, but just stop using it altogether for everything else. I am not having a good time with Linux misbehaving on my ASUS board though. Seems like ASUS might be too sexually involved with the Redmond Retards.

[Talon]

56 minutes ago, cylix said:

Amazon US prices:

https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-card-has-been-listed-for-1099-by-amazon-xt-variant-for-979

 

big difference with 4080

 

Yes comparing a not yet released product vs scalper 3rd party resellers is a BIG difference. Don't you worry though, the AMD product is going to be in short supply and will be scalped as well. Low supply has already been basically leaked/confirmed and I'm willing to bet we see plenty of $1500+ XTX models very soon. Those that get it day one at MSRP are going to be lottery winners though. 

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Yes comparing a not yet released product vs scalper 3rd party resellers is a BIG difference. Don't you worry though, the AMD product is going to be in short supply and will be scalped as well. Low supply has already been basically leaked/confirmed and I'm willing to bet we see plenty of $1500+ XTX models very soon. 

I would be SHOCKED if that did not happen. It is almost guaranteed and taken for granted. Scalpers may be one of the few sources available and I expect they will try to match 4090 prices. I doubt anyone will be able to buy an AMD card for anywhere close to MSRP unless they are in a town with a Microcenter. Screwing the public is one of the value-added services they are happy to provide at no additional charge.

[Etern4l]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not likely. If they did I might be receptive to giving AMD one more chance to prove they deserve my patronage. That failure, specifically, played a part in my decision to drop the Arc A770 out of my shopping cart. I am trying to decide now whether to bite the bullet on the idea of Mr. Fox dropping all Windows support and just sucking it up and living with Linux and its shortcomings. I could keep it on a small NVMe on my work computer for work, but just stop using it altogether for everything else. I am not having a good time with Linux misbehaving on my ASUS board though. Seems like ASUS might be too sexually involved with the Redmond Retards.

 

I enjoyed these YT comments under a Linux gaming video. Summary: works great unless raytracing is involved.

 

 

Ian Luyten

3 months ago (edited)

Microsoft crossed the line with Win11 ... switched to 100% linux (endeavourOs) last week on my new build - have to admit that gaming is a bit more pain than I expected

 

Uchiha Madara

10 days ago

More freedom always comes with a little pain...

[Talon]

Also for yall maybe looking for an MSRP card this might be a chance to get a card near or at MSRP.

 

https://us-store.msi.com/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GPU/GeForce-RTX-40-Series/GeForce-RTX-4090-SUPRIM-24G

 

https://us-store.msi.com/LuckyTicketGPU

[Clamibot]

@Mr. Fox Wanna buy an EVGA RTX 4090 prototype for $13K?🤣

 

EVGA is selling off the rest of their RTX 4090 engineering samples that weren't given to youtubers: https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-is-auctioning-off-its-geforce-rtx-4090-prototype-for-charity

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, Clamibot said:

@Mr. Fox Wanna buy an EVGA RTX 4090 prototype for $13K?🤣

 

EVGA is selling off the rest of their RTX 4090 engineering samples that weren't given to youtubers: https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-is-auctioning-off-its-geforce-rtx-4090-prototype-for-charity

Maybe for 13,000 dimes, but not dollars. About $1300 is all I believe any graphics card is worth. If you have to pay more than $100 a month before the product becomes absolete it is a really horrible value.

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not likely. If they did I might be receptive to giving AMD one more chance to prove they deserve my patronage. That failure, specifically, played a part in my decision to drop the Arc A770 out of my shopping cart. I am trying to decide now whether to bite the bullet on the idea of Mr. Fox dropping all Windows support and just sucking it up and living with Linux and its shortcomings. I could keep it on a small NVMe on my work computer for work, but just stop using it altogether for everything else. I am not having a good time with Linux misbehaving on my ASUS board though. Seems like ASUS might be too sexually involved with the Redmond Retards.

Apparently MS has lengthened ESU on windows 7 for another 3 years. Too bad they have strong armed OEM's into dropping driver support. I really dislike microsoft. I wish I could just switch to linux also. Its been a few years since Ive researched any distro's.

 

https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/bypass-windows-7-extended-security-updates-eligibility.80606/page-323#post-1745284

[Mr. Fox]

22 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Apparently MS has lengthened ESU on windows 7 for another 3 years. Too bad they have strong armed OEM's into dropping driver support. I really dislike microsoft. I wish I could just switch to linux also. Its been a few years since Ive researched any distro's.

 

 

It is diabolical, and they are a very evil company. They are in the same league as crApple and Satan, and worthy of damnation. I know it would make things difficult for many people, but I would really love to see crApple and Micro$lop both die and go out of business in 2023.

 

I love Linux. It's limitations are difficult, and the newer your hardware is, the less likely things are going to work correctly. When everything works correctly it is stinking awesome. I would really love to see Linux commercialized for consumers with the sames level of driver development and software support everyone received from the Redmond Retards, minus all of the draconian control freak nonsense.

 

For those interested in Team Red unboxing videos. I don't get why there is a 7900 XT. I am guessing the real story is they are poorly binned 7900 XTX for ~$100 less if you are willing to live with an inferior silicon sample. If I were going to buy one of these I would find the idea of saving $100 (a few pennies per day for a year) and getting an inferior GPU on purpose kind of absurd.

 

[ssj92]

Anyone here plan to upgrade to Sapphire Rapids HEDT platform Q1 2023 (also known as fishhawk falls W790 chipset). 
 

kinda excited HEDT is coming back from Intel. Still rocking 10980XE 18-Core. 
 

 

[johnksss]

On 12/7/2022 at 9:57 AM, Papusan said:

Thanks bro Fox. Yep, I have waited long time for new cards. I usually is happy with older cards. Not a gamer but sometimes it is nice to have something newer. I am a moderate man when it comes to spending money. I retired early from my job due to poor health, so. I'm happy with used things. Nothing of it need to be new.

 

 

The Tax hell here is real. Read this and I think you'll feel very bad. I do. I'm a cigar smoker and the Norwegain Government will take away my chance to buy cigars/smoke at half price  in Sveden. They will cut down what I can take with me over the border.... Norwegian Special.

 

Still waiting for new tobacco rules: - Preparing for and running out

 

In short...

 

The tobacco quota in the state budget
The proposal in the state budget is to halve the tobacco quota from 250 grams to 125 grams, and cigarettes from 200 to 100.
While today, for example, you can buy 15 boxes of snuff (16 grams each), the Støre government's bill means that from next year it will only be allowed to take seven and a half boxes with you.
The rules will not apply to anyone other than Norwegians living in Norway. Tourists will still be able to bring the current quota – 200 cigarettes or 250 grams of tobacco – into the country.

 

And Norway is flooded with money, gas ad oil. But the people have hard time live here. The government hate us.

Thanks. There is only a few model I wanted. Strix and MSI Suprime X with or with out Liquid. And the Suprim is cheaper than Asus Strix. Asus is disgusting! And the boat card (Zotac) The trash card @johnksss😀 Not my wording. Is 8% more expensive than MSI Suprim X Liquid. So MSI it become. I have had hands on MSI cards before... Not really my brand. Only The LIghtning cards was of interest from this brand.

 

I hate brutal winters. We have it every damn year here home.... Wind, snow, cold, rain, and hail storms that come one after the other. Ice cold, then snow then rain. Or opposite way. This from November and into middle May. + the dreaded dark here North last many moths. Rest of the year... Green winter. Not great place living for my broken health.

 

 

Hey Pap, I ditched the MSI Suprim Liquid X as it had crap memory. if you tried to hit 1200 in Afterburner it would lock up the computer. I did trade it for a MSI Suprim X version and it is far superior to the one I had. 1900+ on  memory and no locking up computer.

 

Thinking back, the Zotac does give me the "looks like a cruise ship design" vibe.

[Ashtrix]

49 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Apparently MS has lengthened ESU on windows 7 for another 3 years. Too bad they have strong armed OEM's into dropping driver support. I really dislike microsoft. I wish I could just switch to linux also. Its been a few years since Ive researched any distro's.

 

https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/bypass-windows-7-extended-security-updates-eligibility.80606/page-323#post-1745284

 

It is not yet finalized, MS did not release any press information or any sort for Windows 7 extension of ESU unfortunately. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-US/lifecycle/faq/extended-security-updates

 

As for AMD Radeon RX Windows 7 last driver was 21 June 2021. Both of the GPU manufacturers stopped it. With Nvidia it was 472.12 Sep 2021 being last and a 3090Ti exclusive update which is same in 2021 is the last which is Win32 and Win7 supported.

 

Radeon drivers running on Windows 7 I would not advice esp given the fact how AMD optimizes their HW which is damn way old to run newer games better for longer periods and longevity. Bonus is AMD has superior (Open Source Drivers) Linux support and no BS crap like Nvidia. So using AMD on WIn10 / Linux is best.

 

Since Nvidia already relegates optimizations for old Architecture in backseat once new GPUs are out and over the time, It's better to run the old driver on Windows 7 and dual booted 10 for latest games.

 

Plus newer games started to even block Windows 10 LTSC 17763.xxxx a.k.a 1809 itself massive PITA but for me I do not care much about newer titles since they all are garbage most of them at-best 2-3 titles max per year that is also not always.

 

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is diabolical, and they are a very evil company. They are in the same league as crApple and Satan, and worthy of damnation. I know it would make things difficult for many people, but I would really love to see crApple and Micro$lop both die and go out of business in 2023.

 

I love Linux. It's limitations are difficult, and the newer your hardware is, the less likely things are going to work correctly. When everything works correctly it is stinking awesome. I would really love to see Linux commercialized for consumers with the sames level of driver development and software support everyone received from the Redmond Retards, minus all of the draconian control freak nonsense.

 

For those interested in Team Red unboxing videos. I don't get why there is a 7900 XT. I am guessing the real story is they are poorly binned 7900 XTX for ~$100 less if you are willing to live with an inferior silicon sample. If I were going to buy one of these I would find the idea of saving $100 (a few pennies per day for a year) and getting an inferior GPU on purpose kind of absurd.

 

 

It is not a lower binned silicon it's a die-cut, as 7900XTX is a full Navi 31 silicon and 7900XT is cut, the MCDs are reduced on the 7900XT, it has less Infinity Cache basically. And lower VRAM + Bus. Plus the Shader cores (CUs) are also cut.  I think it should have been called as 7900 not XT.

 

 

 

 

[Etern4l]

2 hours ago, ssj92 said:

Anyone here plan to upgrade to Sapphire Rapids HEDT platform Q1 2023 (also known as fishhawk falls W790 chipset). 
 

kinda excited HEDT is coming back from Intel. Still rocking 10980XE 18-Core. 
 

 

 

I will wait for the pricing information - for now very happy with what Raptor Lake can do. Just to state the obvious: the above is not HEDT in the 10980XE sense. 10980XE was something in between consumer and Xeon - much less memory supported, no ECC, and only 1S (to mention the basic differences).  

[Papusan]

On 12/10/2022 at 10:12 PM, johnksss said:

Hey Pap, I ditched the MSI Suprim Liquid X as it had crap memory. if you tried to hit 1200 in Afterburner it would lock up the computer. I did trade it for a MSI Suprim X version and it is far superior to the one I had. 1900+ on  memory and no locking up computer.

Hi. Yep, not the best memory. I think I max out at 1300. Very fun when you buy the most expensive high end and risk get bin quality lower than the cheapest vanilla 4090's at $1600. Yep very disappointing that the QC - the bin job is done so badly. I'm not even sure they put much work into binning the Gpu. Nice look over everything else. 

 

Not sure what I will do forwards. Not much time for testing now but we'll see what I will do. But a very nice card. All I know... If I go back to air cooled card I will save money and time... I don't need to re-do my whole loop. And it will be faster swap out to other cards as well.

 

But whats weird... If I push mem a bit higher the pc/screen freeze. I wondered about this. I haven't had new graphics cards the last years. Is this the normal behaviour when you go slightly too far with mem oc on newer cards? 

 

And then you have the new nice rules on the bot. You have to enable  ECC in NVCP with 4000 series cards. This put you back around 5-6% in performance (UL/Futuremark let you put whatever setting you want for ECC). And all top spots on the bot have run benches with it disabled and got an advantage from it. It's very easy to forget enable it, then reboot before you do a few fast benches and post it on hwbot. God luck moderate scores. Because more SKUs from 4000 series will have it. Even older 3090Ti had it but if you have this card you don't need to bother with NCCP and reboots. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5140652_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___32b_geforce_rtx_4090_58sec_603ms

On 12/10/2022 at 10:12 PM, johnksss said:

Thinking back, the Zotac does give me the "looks like a cruise ship design" vibe.

 

You can get the cruise ship in white now. Not so sure it will help on the chips bin quality😁

 

ZOTAC & AXGaming introduce white GeForce RTX 4xxx

 

On 12/9/2022 at 7:51 PM, Papusan said:

Won't be used much before I get the new cable from Be Quiet (on the way but when). Easy hear the click from the modern adapter cable when I mount it in the card. If it burn, it wont be my fault, LOOL

 

I installed the 12VHPWR Adapter Cable from be quiet. This time I needed two try to hear the click. And I could barely hear it. Bad design. Not the Be Quiet cable but the connector design. And the hook to secure the connector is a huge Joke. Why  make the hook on the 12VHPWR connector so damn small that it barely is able to lock and secure the connector to the GPU? How difficult was it to make the hook on the connector a bit bigger? Even the whole 12VHPWR connector. Could be that the R/D team from PCIE sig, Intel and the rest is former Apple engineers. Those shoud never have such an job. I can clerly see why we have seen the smoke. The design is awful.

 

But only one PCIe cable for the GPU is nice. 

 

One thing I don't like with many of the GPUs is the nicely done cut out on top of the back plate. A big chance that condensation water can drip straight into the graphics card if you run the Cpu coold and forgot to protect it. 

 

CableMod 12VHPWR Custom Cable Overview overclock3d.net

 

Let's make one thing clear, we don't like Nvidia's 4x 8-pin to 12VHPWR adaptors
To put it simply, we at OC3D do not like the 8-pin to 12VHPWR adaptors that most RTX 4090 graphics cards ship with. They feel cheap, and they are not long enough for PC builders to tidily manage their system's cables. Even at launch, we used a direct-to-PSU 12VHPWR cable for our testing, avoiding Nvidia's adaptor entirely. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hi. Yep, not the best memory. I think I max out at 1300. Very fun when you buy the most expensive high end and risk get bin quality lower than the cheapest vanilla 4090's at $1600. Yep very disappointing that the QC - the bin job is done so badly. I'm not even sure they put much work into binning the Gpu. Nice look over everything else. 

 

Not sure what I will do forwards. Not much time for testing now but we'll see what I will do. But a very nice card. All I know... If I go back to air cooled card I will save money and time... I don't need to re-do my whole loop. And it will be faster swap out to other cards as well.

Can you return it as defective or get in-store credit for a different GPU? If the memory overclock is that limited on what one would think is their best model, it is defective. They should save the crummy memory chips for the less expensive cards and stop screwing the customers that spend the most.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

One thing I don't like with many of the GPUs is the nicely done cut out on top of the back plate. A big chance that condensation water can drip straight into the graphics card if you run the Cpu coold and forgot to protect it. 

I absolutely hate it. I think it looks like pure crap. A solid backplate with only screw holes is the proper approach. I had not thought about it exposing the GPU to hazards. No only water... what about a screw or washer falling in there and causing a short? So, it is both ugly and stupid. 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

 

It is not a lower binned silicon it's a die-cut, as 7900XTX is a full Navi 31 silicon and 7900XT is cut, the MCDs are reduced on the 7900XT, it has less Infinity Cache basically. And lower VRAM + Bus. Plus the Shader cores (CUs) are also cut.  I think it should have been called as 7900 not XT.

Yikes, so only $100 less than XTX makes it a severely overpriced downgrade. That smells a lot like an AMD version of an overpriced 4070 that used to be called 4080 scam. I don't know why anyone would want it if it is only $100 less. Should be at least $300 less.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Can you return it as defective or get in-store credit for a different GPU? If the memory overclock is that limited on what one would think is their best model, it is defective. They should save the crummy memory chips for the less expensive cards and stop screwing the customers that spend the most.

I absolutely hate it. I think it looks like pure crap. A solid backplate with only screw holes is the proper approach. I had not thought about it exposing the GPU to hazards. No only water... what about a screw or washer falling in there and causing a short? So, it is both ugly and stupid. 

We have return policy. Will check it out. But I may try it out a bit first. And I need to see what they have in the stores. We haven't that much of different models at an ok price. Or worth to buy. And then you have the lack of GPUs. The stores is flooded with 4080 and 3090. 4090 not much in stock. And yep, the 3090 is equal expensive as 4090 

 

Regarding the cut of on the back plate.... They save on cost both for paint, metal and thermal pads. I really hate it. And the worst part... This modern is here to stay. I didn't think much about it when I saw the cards.. But once I had it in the chassis I could clearly see what can happen. There is a few there out that don't have draining plug or QC fittings. Swap out a water block can be damn expensive if you don't remove the card. Often people have hurry and forget the most important. 

 

Yep, I hate it. Stupid design. Sorry I haven't a triple facepalm🙂   

 

 

 

[Talon]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

We have return policy. Will check it out. But I may try it out a bit first. And I need to see what they have in the stores. We haven't that much of different models at an ok price. Or worth to buy. And then you have the lack of GPUs. The stores is flooded with 4080 and 3090. 4090 not much in stock. And yep, the 3090 is equal expensive as 4090 

 

Regarding the cut of on the back plate.... They save on cost both for paint, metal and thermal pads. I really hate it. And the worst part... This modern is here to stay. I didn't think much about it when I saw the cards.. But once I had it in the chassis I could clearly see what can happen. There is a few there out that don't have draining plug or QC fittings. Swap out a water block can be damn expensive if you don't remove the card. Often people have hurry and forget the most important. 

 

Yep, I hate it. Stupid design. Sorry I haven't a triple facepalm🙂   

 

 

 

 

Shame to hear about your memory OC. My Strix OC card does +1800 or +1900 before it crashes/freezes the desktop. Can't remember right now. My FE MSRP card does +2200 before it freezes at desktop. Golden memory does +2000 or higher with average seemingly around +1400-1700 from what I've seen on OC.net.