*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[johnksss]

So, I had to go pick up a board and I grabbed a second KS chip while I was there, but haven't cracked it open yet. This first chip I tested is a:

Is this any good?

 

[Mr. Fox]

11 minutes ago, johnksss said:

So, I had to go pick up a board and I grabbed a second KS chip while I was there, but haven't cracked it open yet. This first chip I tested is a:

Is this any good?

 

Not sure how the SP ratings compare to 13900K. The SP rating looks like an impressive number on both P and E cores, but the voltage values seem crazy high don't they? 1.600V for 6.0GHz? 

[Papusan]

13 minutes ago, johnksss said:

So, I had to go pick up a board and I grabbed a second KS chip while I was there, but haven't cracked it open yet. This first chip I tested is a:

Is this any good?

 

You need to test it. But some info here... https://www.overclock.net/threads/overclocking-raptor-lake-13900k-13700k-13600k-etc-results-bins-and-discussion.1799628/post-29124626

[johnksss]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not sure how the SP ratings compare to 13900K. The SP rating looks like an impressive number on both P and E cores, but the voltage values seem crazy high don't they? 1.600V for 6.0GHz? 

 

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

You need to test it. But some info here... https://www.overclock.net/threads/overclocking-raptor-lake-13900k-13700k-13600k-etc-results-bins-and-discussion.1799628/post-29124626

What I do know is it is better than the K I had. The E cores clock between 4.7 and 4.760.

I just tested the other chip and it's a SP 108 P117/E 92

 

And am sitting just under you @Papusanat 44916 on R23

K chip was a struggle to get to 44K R23.

 

Edit: Going to flash a new bios and see if there is a change in the VF curve...

[Mr. Fox]

18 minutes ago, johnksss said:

 

What I do know is it is better than the K I had. The E cores clock between 4.7 and 4.760.

I just tested the other chip and it's a SP 108 P117/E 92

 

And am sitting just under you @Papusanat 44916 on R23

K chip was a struggle to get to 44K R23.

 

Edit: Going to flash a new bios and see if there is a change in the VF curve...

Be sure to enable ECC on your GPU or they'll delete your CBR23 scores. *sarcasm*

[johnksss]

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

Be sure to enable EEC on your GPU or they'll delete your CBR23 scores. *sarcasm*

🤣

 

Edit:

 

No change in voltage...

[Papusan]

43 minutes ago, johnksss said:

🤣

 

Edit:

 

No change in voltage...

What with the MC prediction? 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

So, I had to go pick up a board and I grabbed a second KS chip while I was there, but haven't cracked it open yet. This first chip I tested is a:

Is this any good?

 

 

 

That's not bad and above average both P and E cores. As @Papusan now time to test it.

 

Over on the OC forums, KS chips are popping with >=120 P cores on a much higher frequency than K/KF chips.

 

Lots of cross over. You end up with something like this ~(P Cores)

 

~K/KF  97-------------------------123

~KS                           113-----------------------132

 

So you still have a chance of landing a KS that is worse than a K/KF but what you don't have is landing an absolute bottom barrel KS like K/KF chips that will at worse run like a decent 13900K/F but will barely be a KS sometimes.

 

Depending on where you're pushing it, see what  5.8-6ghz can do.

 

What does the V/F curve look like?

 

Overall KS chips on average are flat out better than K/KF.

 

I know @Falkentyne had set some baseline criteria for testing 13900KS chips along these lines:

 

 

[Etern4l]

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

Whats your goal? Push and pull or just fans on one side? If you go with push & Pull then you can get some cheaper/weaker fans. No need for the best high end (max air flow and pressure) then. I still prefer the Noctua NF-12 iPPC 3000. And I use them in push and pull. But this is not really needed if you go with my setup. High performance fans is only needed if you go with single fan setup in push or pull.

 

I got the wrong fans for my son's build. You can look here to get the correct one.... visit the product page. They have changed a bit on the sales page and the 4000 rpm fans on same side is the wrong one to buy.

 

Be sure they arent the server fan's from Hell. You can see it on the fan blade design.

 

Be sure you don't buy fans with this design.... Quiet? Nope. Very wrong😎

 

This is the fan design you want.... longer and sleeker fan blades. The normal Alphacool fans you want come with black cable sleeving (not the ugly mess above). And the length of the cable is the more normal 40 cm. 

 

 

Yep, you don't need expensive high end performance fans if you go with  push and pull. 

What I returned.... And I always mentioned X. But I think the X model was the one that come first to the shops and reviews.

Thanks for the tips bro, the Alphacool fans are a bargain, the main downside is probably more noise than Noctua and less than half MTBF. My current setup is push-pull with silent fans. This worked great with the 12900KS, but 13900K uses up 50W more power and pushed this pleasantly quiet design over the edge. I think I will stick the Phanteks T30 where I can and replace the AIO fans with iPPC. If the system is throttling in the winter. I need a lot of cooling headroom, and I f ultimately change to WC, I will just reuse the fans. 

[johnksss]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

What with the MC prediction? 

First time was something like 57 then it jumped up to 79, but can boot 8200 on the Unify-X

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

That's not bad and above average both P and E cores. As @Papusan now time to test it.

 

Over on the OC forums, KS chips are popping with >=120 P cores on a much higher frequency than K/KF chips.

 

Lots of cross over. You end up with something like this ~(P Cores)

 

~K/KF  97-------------------------123

~KS                           113-----------------------132

 

So you still have a chance of landing a KS that is worse than a K/KF but what you don't have is landing an absolute bottom barrel KS like K/KF chips that will at worse run like a decent 13900K/F but will barely be a KS sometimes.

 

Depending on where you're pushing it, see what  5.8-6ghz can do.

 

What does the V/F curve look like?

 

Overall KS chips on average are flat out better than K/KF.

 

I know @Falkentyne had set some baseline criteria for testing 13900KS chips along these lines:

 

 

Okay, thanks.

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Thanks for the tips bro, the Alphacool fans are a bargain, the main downside is probably more noise than Noctua and less than half MTBF. My current setup is push-pull with silent fans. This worked great with the 12900KS, but 13900K uses up 50W more power and pushed this pleasantly quiet design over the edge. I think I will stick the Phanteks T30 where I can and replace the AIO fans with iPPC. If the system is throttling in the winter. I need a lot of cooling headroom, and I f ultimately change to WC, I will just reuse the fans. 

Remember the Phanteks T30 will perform worse vs vanilla Noctua NF-A120 fan at low rpm. And I don't talk about the stronger iPPC fans from Noctua. And at sub 1000 rpm you won't see very much difference in noise with ok'ish quality fans vs high premium fans. I expect you talk about putting the Phanteks as case fans (you'll use iPPC in push pull for the AIO). Paying high premium for case fans is for me a bit odd if you don't use them for feeding air to an AIO that sit inside the chassis. 

[electrosoft]

Best Buy currently having a massive drop of 4090s. Hasn't happened for weeks. Camp out for the next 30-60 and refresh.

 

Cancelled the MSI Trio and re-ordered another Suprim X with discount and rewards total price = $1594.33

 

 

 

[Ashtrix]

@Papusanare you ready for latest tech ? It must be better and greatest ever !!

 

Samsung 990 Pro SSDs Report Rapid Health Degradation

Samsung 990 PRO Flagship SSD Has an Endurance Problem, Users Notice Rapid Drive-Health Drops

 

Samsung actually ruined their Memory division badly. They axed MLC and gave TLC, and Z-NAND for Enterprise. The endurance took a nose dive. 860 Pro 4TB has 4800TBW. 980 Pro 2TB has 1200TBW, utter disgrace. Now they wanted to milk the heck out as if the PCIe4.0 SSDs were priced up though the roof, I bought 2TBx2 for $500 a year back (yea I was stupid to buy them early when I couldn't even build PC) and in 2022 Blackfriday they dropped the price for same bundle for $200 less. A.k.a $300 bundle.. Money down the drain.

 

Anyways now the milking must continue so they made the new 990 Pro 2TB ($290, so 2x of them means more cash than 980 Pro 2TB during Blackfriday) with some extra useless BS benchmarks (Remember Optane ? The NAND killer and it destroys them in Sequential constant performance and no DRAM drama). And absolutely no Endurance upgrade over 980 Pro 2TB. And there's a 4TB option with 2400TBW but that is not yet released. Still i'd rather buy Micron NAND Seagate Firecuda 4TB with much better speed and 2x endurance.

 

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Samsung 990 PRO is the company's flagship client SSD, which is among the fastest Gen 4 NVMe SSDs you can buy. It also commands a very high price premium, with the 1 TB variant priced at $170, and the 2 TB variant at $290. When you're buying in this segment, you expect the highest endurance figures for your SSD. Client SSD endurance figures are already on the rise, as NAND flash technology evolves. Neowin noticed that their 990 PRO isn't meeting this vital expectation, and with a little digging, found that there are others with this problem, and they didn't just get a bad drive.

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Apparently, the "drive health" reading in Samsung Magician—the utility software for Samsung SSDs—drops rather rapidly for the 990 PRO. After a clean software installation on a new drive, Neowin observed that their drive's health reading was already at 99% (something very unexpected for a new drive); and what's worse was that even with regular use of the drive in the following days, the drive health would drop by 1 percentage point every day. Drive health is interchangeable with endurance, as it indicates the number of program-erase (PE) cycles left on the NAND flash memory before regions of the drive's user-area become unwritable.

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One Redditor (opens in new tab), who saw his Samsung 990 Pro 2TB lifespan go down 6% in two weeks, sent his SSD to Samsung for RMA. However, the company reportedly returned the same drive claiming that it didn't find any defects, and it formatted the drive and restored it to factory settings. Subsequently, Samsung has offered the Redditor a replacement and will try to replicate the problem. The worst case we've seen so far comes from Twitter user Neil Schofield (opens in new tab), who shared a screenshot of his Samsung 990 Pro with a 64% health status and only 2TB of total host writes.

 

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It was big news in China that many Samsung 980 Pro owners had reported SSD failures from six months to a year of usage due to bad blocks. Other reportedly faulty drives include the Samsung 970 Evo Plus and the OEM drives, like the PM9A1 and PM981A. We saw a few reports outside China, but the problem wasn't widespread.

 

But since newer = better, 990 Pro is dropping endurance by 30% in few weeks ... imagine spending that much money a JUNK product with bggy trash Firmware on a damn SSD, that too Samsung. Imagine you brought a brand new "Samsung" Memory and they deny your warranty RMA. Could be firmware reporting bug, but if it's a real write NAND failure bug then RIP. Still this level of incompetence for a brand new product.

 

[Papusan]

On 12/28/2022 at 7:16 AM, Papusan said:

Even the high end can be disgusting....

AMD Locked Radeon RX 7000 Series Power Play Tables, Limiting Overclocking

Overclocking expert @Buildzoid1 on Twitter recently shared a post discussing his frustrations with AMD's overclocking capabilities on the RX 7000 series. Apparently, AMD has locked power play table manipulation on its new GPUs, preventing enthusiasts from customizing power and frequency curves outside their official specifications.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5154651_papusan_gpupi___1b_geforce_rtx_3070_4sec_885ms

 

@Mr. FoxLOOOL 

 

 

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/222448-benchhate-pentium-gold-g7400-3700mhz-99826-cb-cinebench-r23-multi-core-with-benchmate/

 

On 12/29/2022 at 8:13 PM, Rage Set said:

 

Yeah, when I saw this, that was the immediate end of me wanting the 7000 series. Changing the PPT's on AMD cards was one of their saving graces. I didn't need any HW mods on my 6800 XT or 6900 XT, as cooling was the only limiting factor...not power or voltage. One of AMD's secret weapons, now disabled. 

As you can see below... AMD don't want to cater to the performance enhusiasts anymore. All is about giving their main audience (their high core gamer kids) what they ask for.... Fancy Gaming toools. AMD go all in for fully locked hardware. Processors or graphichs cards they, all suffer from same target "Fully locked down". @Mr. Fox are you still keen on jumping on the Red sides hardware a last time? It seems everything AMD put their hands on nowadays turns into a disaster. 

 

No RDNA 3 Update for More Power Tool, Says Developer tomshardware.com

 

Locking down the power tables

 

When AMD first indicated that it locked the power play tables(opens in new tab) on its latest Radeon RX 7000-series graphics processors a month ago, it meant one popular overclocking method was not supported at the time. Now, it looks like AMD has completely locked down manipulations of the power play tables with its RDNA 3 GPUs. That means the More Power Tool utility(opens in new tab) will not be able to support the new cards, and overclocking will be essentially limited to AMD's Adrenalin software.

 

"[When it comes to power play tables], pretty much everything is double and triple secured," one of the More Power Tools developers wrote, reports CapFrameX. "[To make things work,] we would have to rewrite firmware and drivers, and we cannot do that. Not even under Linux. So, there will be no MPT for RDNA3. AMD really screwed it up this time."

16 hours ago, Papusan said:

Doesn't this below look familiar? Haven't wee seen similar coming from AMD's never stopping QC and QM problems?

 

AMD Ryzen 7000X3D series now listed as ‘unlocked for overclocking’ videocardz.com
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000x3d-series-now-listed-as-unlocked-for-overclocking

 

 

Then you have this nice small notice from Techpowerup.com.... Update Jan 24th: AMD updated their product pages to remove this field altogether. 

 

 

And it seems AMD have even more nice news for the fanboys/girls in the Red camp.... Rumors, yes but with AMD you never know what you'll get as you can clearly see above😎

 

Dismal AMD RDNA 3 refresh rumor suggests all RDNA 3+ RX 7000 SKUs have been canned

Per the leaker, AMD has binned all RDNA 3+ SKUs as they failed to hit performance and efficiency targets. The leaker goes on to say that RDNA 3+ is “bad all platforms”. All_The_Watts previously suggested that the RDNA 3+ would be the “true full fix” as flagship Navi 31 featured in the RX 7900 XT/XTX and mid-range Navi 33 suffer from identical hardware bugs that Team Red was unable to discover until it was too late. Navi 32 and Phoenix APU were reportedly doing fine as AMD had managed to fix the GPUs.

 

The cancelation of the RDNA 3 refresh could be real, as Paul from RedGamingTech has also heard similar reports from some of his sources. Curiously, a few of Paul’s sources maintain that the RDNA 3 refresh is still happening, but it will be a while before the boards are released.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

@Papusanare you ready for latest tech ? It must be better and greatest ever !!

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-990-pro-health-dropping-fast

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/303984/samsung-990-pro-flagship-ssd-has-an-endurance-problem-users-notice-rapid-drive-health-drops

 

Samsung actually ruined their Memory division badly. They axed MLC and gave TLC, and Z-NAND for Enterprise. The endurance took a nose dive. 860 Pro 4TB has 4800TBW. 980 Pro 2TB has 1200TBW, utter disgrace. Now they wanted to milk the heck out as if the PCIe4.0 SSDs were priced up though the roof, I bought 2TBx2 for $500 a year back (yea I was stupid to buy them early when I couldn't even build PC) and in 2022 Blackfriday they dropped the price for same bundle for $200 less. A.k.a $300 bundle.. Money down the drain.

 

Anyways now the milking must continue so they made the new 990 Pro 2TB ($290, so 2x of them means more cash than 980 Pro 2TB during Blackfriday) with some extra useless BS benchmarks (Remember Optane ? The NAND killer and it destroys them in Sequential constant performance and no DRAM drama). And absolutely no Endurance upgrade over 980 Pro 2TB. And there's a 4TB option with 2400TBW but that is not yet released.

 

 

 

But since newer = better, 990 Pro is dropping endurance by 30% in few weeks ... imagine spending that much money a JUNK product with bggy trash Firmware on a damn SSD, that too Samsung. Imagine you brought a brand new "Samsung" Memory and they deny your warranty RMA.

 

 

This is the symptoms of todays tech. From worse to even more worse (quality)(QC). Make cheaper products that the average Joe is happy to buy. We live in sad days bro @Ashtrix More and more cheapo junk will be thrown out to "cut costs". And we will see more of this in the future. AMD even have to lock out overclocking from their modern gaming processors so they don't go up into fire. Yep, very fragile. Equal fragile as Samsungs new "Pro branded" ssd's. They can barely be used the ways it was meant to be used. Samsung should have removed the "Pro" branding of their best ssd's. And same for AMD... The X moniker in the Cpu SKU name is very misleading. Some think its all about eXtreme. But thats not correct for Ryzen or/and AMD products. The should instead used FL = Fully Locked.

 

 

[electrosoft]

20 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

@Papusanare you ready for latest tech ? It must be better and greatest ever !!

 

Samsung 990 Pro SSDs Report Rapid Health Degradation

Samsung 990 PRO Flagship SSD Has an Endurance Problem, Users Notice Rapid Drive-Health Drops

 

Samsung actually ruined their Memory division badly. They axed MLC and gave TLC, and Z-NAND for Enterprise. The endurance took a nose dive. 860 Pro 4TB has 4800TBW. 980 Pro 2TB has 1200TBW, utter disgrace. Now they wanted to milk the heck out as if the PCIe4.0 SSDs were priced up though the roof, I bought 2TBx2 for $500 a year back (yea I was stupid to buy them early when I couldn't even build PC) and in 2022 Blackfriday they dropped the price for same bundle for $200 less. A.k.a $300 bundle.. Money down the drain.

 

Anyways now the milking must continue so they made the new 990 Pro 2TB ($290, so 2x of them means more cash than 980 Pro 2TB during Blackfriday) with some extra useless BS benchmarks (Remember Optane ? The NAND killer and it destroys them in Sequential constant performance and no DRAM drama). And absolutely no Endurance upgrade over 980 Pro 2TB. And there's a 4TB option with 2400TBW but that is not yet released. Still i'd rather buy Micron NAND Seagate Firecuda 4TB with much better speed and 2x endurance.

 

 

 

But since newer = better, 990 Pro is dropping endurance by 30% in few weeks ... imagine spending that much money a JUNK product with bggy trash Firmware on a damn SSD, that too Samsung. Imagine you brought a brand new "Samsung" Memory and they deny your warranty RMA. Could be firmware reporting bug, but if it's a real write NAND failure bug then RIP. Still this level of incompetence for a brand new product.

 

 

I was just contemplating picking up one of these in 2TB capacity but with the newness of it held off and said "Summer '23"....ack.

 

18 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

As you can see below... AMD don't want to cater to the performance enhusiasts anymore. All is about giving their main audience (their high core gamer kids) what they ask for.... Gaming toool. AMD go all in for fully locked hardware. Processors or graphichs cards they, all suffer from same target "Fully locked down". @Mr. Fox are you still keen on jumping on the Red sides hardware a last time? 

 

No RDNA 3 Update for More Power Tool, Says Developer tomshardware.com

 

Locking down the power tables

 

When AMD first indicated that it locked the power play tables(opens in new tab) on its latest Radeon RX 7000-series graphics processors a month ago, it meant one popular overclocking method was not supported at the time. Now, it looks like AMD has completely locked down manipulations of the power play tables with its RDNA 3 GPUs. That means the More Power Tool utility(opens in new tab) will not be able to support the new cards, and overclocking will be essentially limited to AMD's Adrenalin software.

 

"[When it comes to power play tables], pretty much everything is double and triple secured," one of the More Power Tools developers wrote, reports CapFrameX. "[To make things work,] we would have to rewrite firmware and drivers, and we cannot do that. Not even under Linux. So, there will be no MPT for RDNA3. AMD really screwed it up this time."

 

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This is the symptoms of todays tech. From worse to even more worse quality. Make cheaper products that the average Joe is happy to buy. We live in sad days bro @Ashtrix More and more cheapo junk will be thrown out to "cut costs". And we will see more of this in the future. AMD even have to lock out overclocking from their modern gaming processors so they don't go up into fire. Yep, very fragile. Equal fragile as Samsungs new "Pro branded" ssd's.

 

 

 

I'll just reiterate my overall displeasure with my 7900XTX for my use case. It did boost to 3ghz running Superposition and scored above average in Timespy vs other 7900XTX out there but RT was garbage and gains just weren't there in FO76 and WoW. Locking everything down outside of their own limited OC tools is the icing on the cake.

 

A lot of issues pop up with RT enabled from dismal performance to weird stutters I couldn't fix and RT enabled definitely turned on the "coil whine" switch after a week or two of testing. Odd issues with Z590 was the icing on the cake.

 

 

 

 

[Rage Set]

33 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

As you can see below... AMD don't want to cater to the performance enhusiasts anymore. All is about giving their main audience (their high core gamer kids) what they ask for.... Fancy Gaming toools. AMD go all in for fully locked hardware. Processors or graphichs cards they, all suffer from same target "Fully locked down". @Mr. Fox are you still keen on jumping on the Red sides hardware a last time? 

 

No RDNA 3 Update for More Power Tool, Says Developer tomshardware.com

 

Locking down the power tables

 

When AMD first indicated that it locked the power play tables(opens in new tab) on its latest Radeon RX 7000-series graphics processors a month ago, it meant one popular overclocking method was not supported at the time. Now, it looks like AMD has completely locked down manipulations of the power play tables with its RDNA 3 GPUs. That means the More Power Tool utility(opens in new tab) will not be able to support the new cards, and overclocking will be essentially limited to AMD's Adrenalin software.

 

"[When it comes to power play tables], pretty much everything is double and triple secured," one of the More Power Tools developers wrote, reports CapFrameX. "[To make things work,] we would have to rewrite firmware and drivers, and we cannot do that. Not even under Linux. So, there will be no MPT for RDNA3. AMD really screwed it up this time."

 

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This is the symptoms of todays tech. From worse to even more worse (quality)(QC). Make cheaper products that the average Joe is happy to buy. We live in sad days bro @Ashtrix More and more cheapo junk will be thrown out to "cut costs". And we will see more of this in the future. AMD even have to lock out overclocking from their modern gaming processors so they don't go up into fire. Yep, very fragile. Equal fragile as Samsungs new "Pro branded" ssd's. They can barely be used the ways it was meant to be used. Samsung should have removed the "Pro" branding of their best ssd's. And same for AMD... The X moniker in the Cpu SKU name is very misleading. Some think its about eXtreme. But thats not correct.

 

 

 

That is the KEY issue with RDNA3. My watercooled 6800 XT with PPT can beat the majority of 6900 XT's and my 6900 XT with PPT is above the 6950 XT variant, even when overclocked. To be fair, my 6900 XT is technically a 6950 XT because they share the same core. 

 

Now I don't even need to upgrade my 6900 XT. With a mild overclock coupled with the PPT, my card is within 90% of a stock 7900 XT. Any enthusiasts that do buy a 7900 series card are likely going for points or were hoping like the 6000 series, that the PPT would be unlocked somehow. 

[Papusan]

 

5 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

That is the KEY issue with RDNA3. My watercooled 6800 XT with PPT can beat the majority of 6900 XT's and my 6900 XT with PPT is above the 6950 XT variant, even when overclocked. To be fair, my 6900 XT is technically a 6950 XT because they share the same core. 

 

Now I don't even need to upgrade my 6900 XT. With a mild overclock coupled with the PPT, my card is within 90% of a stock 7900 XT. Any enthusiasts that do buy a 7900 series card are likely going for points or were hoping like the 6000 series, that the PPT would be unlocked somehow. 

I wonder how long it will take AMD to lock out all 3rd party tools for oc'ing/tuning older gen AMD HW in the same way as Nvidiots killed of voltage adjustments for Maxwell graphics cards. Most can be done with drivers. Nvidia did it. So can AMD. In short... So, you are on the mercy of the idiots. 

 

 

 

 

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/no-rdna-3-up-for-more-power-tool-says-developer.3794008/

 

Edit... AMDs consumer products in free fall.... 

 

But it looks like for now, AMD suffers more than Apple. While the company is particularly strong with its datacenter-oriented EPYC CPUs, it is relatively weak on the PC market, which is why Bernstein Research cut its per share target for AMD from $95 to $80.

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

@Mr. Fox are you still keen on jumping on the Red sides hardware a last time?

........um.......uh........ 

[Reciever]

For GPU's this time around just not feeling it from either vendor at the moment. I have a 3090 but I play games on the 5700xt just fine. Keeps my house warm and cozy though 

[Papusan]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

........um.......uh........ 

HaHa. But what with the new improved products from the more well renowned brand with first letter starting with A as in Assss or AMD? They follow the same new norm for todays tech world. Nothing good enough for you bro Fox?😎

 

 

 

Edit. AMD have confirmed their never stopping QC/QM problems. This one is the 2nd flaws now coming from their sales department. They can't even post correct info on their own sales page. But I think it was intended and that they was cought with the pants down.

 

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/news/hardware/prozessoren/60302-nun-doch-oder-ein-fehler-ryzen-7000x3d-prozessoren-mit-oc-unterstützung.html

 

 

[Reciever]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

HaHa. But what with the new improved products from the more well renowned brand with first letter starting with A as in Assss? They follow the same new norm on todays tech world. Nothing good enough for you bro Fox?😎

 

 

I wonder how long it'll be before Mr. Fox starts up a business rebuilding p570wm's with a new motherboard for modern Era hardware? 

 

I suppose the difficult portion would be GPU's or better yet make a janktop made here at the forum 

[Tenoroon]

5 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I suppose the difficult portion would be GPU's or better yet make a janktop made here at the forum 

Knowing how small the 4090's PCB is, I think it can be incorporated into a fat brick of a laptop with maybe some custom water cooling... or just a bunch of copper 😉

 

And in general, if a few guys from China can create a modern motherboard for the Thinkpad X201, I think it's possible to create one for any Clevo machine.

[Reciever]

11 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Knowing how small the 4090's PCB is, I think it can be incorporated into a fat brick of a laptop with maybe some custom water cooling... or just a bunch of copper 😉

 

And in general, if a few guys from China can create a modern motherboard for the Thinkpad X201, I think it's possible to create one for any Clevo machine.

Yeah that's the inspiration for the suggestion :) 

[Mr. Fox]

20 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Knowing how small the 4090's PCB is, I think it can be incorporated into a fat brick of a laptop with maybe some custom water cooling... or just a bunch of copper 😉

 

And in general, if a few guys from China can create a modern motherboard for the Thinkpad X201, I think it's possible to create one for any Clevo machine.

The desktop 4090 is only a TGP of ~450W. That's not a big deal for a desktop. I get a real chuckle out of the people that pretend it is. It takes about twice that much to get me excited. That shouldn't even be a problem for a laptop that's worth having. The hard part is actually identifying a laptop that's worth having.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

The desktop 4090 is only a TGP of ~450W. That's not a big deal for a desktop. I get a real chuckle out of the people that pretend it is. It takes about twice that much to get me excited. That shouldn't even be a problem for a laptop that's worth having. The hard part is actually identifying a laptop that's worth having.

A laptop with support for desktop cpu's and desktop GPU's would be fairly interesting actually