*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Clamibot said:

New SFF cases by Sliger coming out on April 18th: 

 

 

This is gonna be epic! A console style case that can fit an ATX motherboard, and another case that can fit an E-ATX motherboard and has 360mm radiator support? Yes please! I think I have finally come across the perfect case! Both of them are getting carrying handles as well.

 

I'm glad I held off getting the Fractal Node 202 I was originally planning to use in my next build. I was hoping a case like the ones I linked to would become a reality one day, and they have!

 

The only way to improve this further is to allow 420mm radiator support. Sliger's console style cases are very portable, so I have no doubt they'd execute excellently on such a case.

 

That ATX case looks rather nice! I'll have to add it to my list.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Rage Set said:

I was starting to regret my Z690 Dark purchase until I've installed the latest BIOS. Before, 51 on the older BIOS, would net me around 10269 pts in CB20 (much lower than my Asus Z690 Extreme, which was weird), but now it is posting above 11k with the same extra BIO settings. Temps are much lower too. 

 

Still working on the 6400 RAM kit from G.Skill.

Is the IC on the DDR5-6400 kit SK Hynix, Micron or Samsung?

 

Getting used to the MSI BIOS has been kind of strange. The sub-menus in different sections are pretty standard, but some aspects of the hierarchy seem illogical after spending years with ASUS and EVGA firmware. Same was true of Gigabutt BIOS, only worse. I may reach out to Prema and ask him to unlock menus. There are some things that MSI chose to hide that I want exposed. For example, I want access to disable Intel ME like I had with EVGA. ASUS also lacked that option. There is no reason for Intel ME to exist IMHO... totally worthless. I want the option to enable SPD write access. I want the option exposed to control the number of seconds to wait/delay for user input on the BIOS boot menu so I don't have to hurry with Delete or F2 to enter Setup. I want the option to always show the BIOS boot selection menu and wait for user input between POST and OS hand-off instead of having to frantically spam F11 to choose the drive I want to boot from without having to alter BBS order. I want access to selectively disable individual SATA and NVMe ports at will. EVGA firmware has all of those options, and I used them all. ASUS has most of them.

[Tenoroon]

Ordered a bracket for the 860m I have so I can use my Ranger again. The 860m will allow me to install Win7, and hopefully achieve higher scores in CPU benchmarks. My goal will be 740 for CBR15.

I might do some overclocking on the 860m as I have the overkill 5 pipe heatsink. Last time I used the 860m, the bracket was super uneven and the hottest the core would get was the mid 40's, I've got a lot of headroom 😉

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Still working on the 6400 RAM kit from G.Skill.

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Is the 6400 kit SK Hynix, Micron or Samsung?

Feel free to try these memory settings and see how they work with your kit.

 

[electrosoft]

13 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Ordered a bracket for the 860m I have so I can use my Ranger again. The 860m will allow me to install Win7, and hopefully achieve higher scores in CPU benchmarks. My goal will be 740 for CBR15.

I might do some overclocking on the 860m as I have the overkill 5 pipe heatsink. Last time I used the 860m, the bracket was super uneven and the hottest the core would get was the mid 40's, I've got a lot of headroom 😉

 

That 5 pipe GPU HS is going to make cooling the 860m a breeze even with a monster OC. Looking forward to the results (and seeing the Lone Ranger ride again 😀)

[Rage Set]

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Feel free to try these memory settings and see how they work with your kit.

 

 

I tried using the freeware version of Thaiphoon Burner but that doesn't give me any information on the RAM. I'll try those settings now.

[ryan]

Highest firestrike score on all counts

highest port royal well sorta

 

tomb raider for reference with the highest settings gets a 125fps average with a full power 3070 no overclock

heres mine with a huge overclock

115w don't forget not the highest tdp for the 3060 so its a pretty incredible score

 

 

 

and drum roll.....My goal since I had this laptop was to break 9000, many people on reddit said it was not possible with the 115w version of the 3060 but I kept trying and trying and trying and look below...easily my highest score ever

 

super excited to show you guys(bros)

 

 

 

its fun benchmarking and unfortunetly it makes little to no difference in gaming heres witcher 3 absolutely maxed at 1080p

 

no overclock

 

overclock

 

3fps difference

 

 

so I guess just because your score is high on TS does not mean the gains will carry over to gaming, however drivers can make a huge impact, which leads me to a question!

 

has anyone tried the beta drivers by nvidia and how are they!   also when does the next official driver coming out roughly

 

 

 

and now after some tweaking of control panel and a slightly higher overclock. I might be able to squeeze 100 more points on gpu but im very happy getting 9200 overall in ts. heres my record breaking run.....im pretty sure its the highest 115w 3060 score....maybe someone can find a higher score on gpu...not sure..overall its not the highest because my dang cpu overheats

 

 

 

added today: edging closer to a 3070 in the omen 16

[Rage Set]

@Mr. Fox

 

I didn't match your settings one for one, but there you go. I think these sticks are better than the Corsair I have.

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, ryan said:

Highest firestrike score on all counts

highest port royal well sorta

 

tomb raider for reference with the highest settings gets a 125fps average with a full power 3070 no overclock

heres mine with a huge overclock

115w don't forget not the highest tdp for the 3060 so its a pretty incredible score

 

 

 

and drum roll.....My goal since I had this laptop was to break 9000, many people on reddit said it was not possible with the 115w version of the 3060 but I kept trying and trying and trying and look below...easily my highest score ever

 

super excited to show you guys(bros)

 

 

 

its fun benchmarking and unfortunetly it makes little to no difference in gaming heres witcher 3 absolutely maxed at 1080p

 

no overclock

 

overclock

 

3fps difference

 

 

so I guess just because your score is high on TS does not mean the gains will carry over to gaming, however drivers can make a huge impact, which leads me to a question!

 

has anyone tried the beta drivers by nvidia and how are they!   also when does the next official driver coming out roughly

 

 

 

and now after some tweaking of control panel and a slightly higher overclock. I might be able to squeeze 100 more points on gpu but im very happy getting 9200 overall in ts. heres my record breaking run.....im pretty sure its the highest 115w 3060 score....maybe someone can find a higher score on gpu...not sure..overall its not the highest because my dang cpu overheats

 

 

Congratulations on the accomplishment. Nice job, bro.

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

@Mr. Fox

 

I didn't match your settings one for one, but there you go. I think these sticks are better than the Corsair I have.

That is looking really good. Nice work. It is crazy to think we are running DIMM modules at 6.4GHz. There may be some other voltage settings that you can tweak. I will grab some BIOS screenshot for you. So much extra stuff with 12th Gen with not much documentation. Some of what seems like high voltage is "normal" now. 

 

Edit: BIOS snapshots attached.

 

Spoiler

[ryan]

grabbed from ultrabook review.

 

an overclocked 100/150 130w 3060

and a stock 11800h in the asus Z17

• 3DMark 13 – Fire Strike: 20235 (Graphics – 22576, Physics – 24912, Combined – 9828);
• 3DMark 13 – Port Royal: 5242;
• 3DMark 13 – Time Spy: 9019 (Graphics – 8937, CPU – 9515);
• Uniengine Superposition – 1080p Extreme: 5424;
• Uniengine Superposition – 1080p Medium: 16109;
• Handbrake 1.3.3 (4K to 1080p encode): 45.21 average fps;
• PassMark 10: Rating: 7588 (CPU mark: 23218, 3D Graphics Mark: 16941, Disk Mark: 29020);
• PCMark 10: 7177 (Essentials – 10760, Productivity – 8894, Digital Content Creation – 10481);
• GeekBench 5.3.1 64-bit: Single-Core: 1623, Multi-core: 9641;
• CineBench R15 (best run): CPU 2193 cb, CPU Single Core 228 cb;
• CineBench R20 (best run): CPU 5387 cb, CPU Single Core 578 cb;
• CineBench R23 (best run): CPU 13902 cb, CPU Single Core 1498 cb;
• x265 HD Benchmark 64-bit: 28.77 s.

 

so as you can see I beat an overclocked 130w 3060 which is pretty good, but honestly I miss the days of 50 percent gains from overclocking, everything seems gimped.

 

11800h can be at least 20 percent faster than stock if one could get the thermals under control. hard to cool this laptop, thinking of getting a cooling pad.

 

 

guys/bros 512.12 drivers are out......downloading now! will get back to you

 

 

benchmarks are down

 

witcher 3 frames are down....stinks like poop...looks like poop....must be poop

 

don't bother with new drivers heres a pic of witcher highest framerate in that old given scene....before 93 now 89...the drop is like a massive underclock

 

 

proof timespy is down

 

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, ryan said:

witcher 3 frames are down....stinks like poop...looks like poop....must be poop

Wait, what? How can that be? My friends on Facepoot told me newer is always better. I need to see some random dude I have never heard of before send tweets on Twatter to prove it. Actual data is too unreliable to believe it. 😆

[Tenoroon]

I appologize for asking here, as I don’t think this particular question is worthy of it’s own thread, but I know the people here may be able to guide me in the right direction.

 

I’m writing a paper on why the use of soldered components has ruined laptops, and I’m trying to find a source I can use to show when the MXM standard was discontinued by Nvidia. Myself and everyone else here knows that it was basically discontinued by Nvidia by the time Pascal GPUs launched, but I cannot find anything in regards to the Nvidia abandoning the standard. Any of you know where I could look or find information?

[Reciever]

So it turns out im not patient enough to sit on new hardware.

 

Going to finally use the stock heatsink for the 2700x and see if I can put the NH-D15s on the 10850K, I believe it may have the mounting bracket already. If not I'll get it ordered.

[ryan]

anywho! on a happy note the drivers corrupted my ssd and i had to do a restore and lost my overclocks...not a big deal as it only took me two months of tweaking pffffffttt

[Mr. Fox]

49 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

I appologize for asking here, as I don’t think this particular question is worthy of it’s own thread, but I know the people here may be able to guide me in the right direction.

 

I’m writing a paper on why the use of soldered components has ruined laptops, and I’m trying to find a source I can use to show when the MXM standard was discontinued by Nvidia. Myself and everyone else here knows that it was basically discontinued by Nvidia by the time Pascal GPUs launched, but I cannot find anything in regards to the Nvidia abandoning the standard. Any of you know where I could look or find information?

NVIDIA usually makes deliberate bad decisions quietly. I could not find any press release where they announced it to the general public. I think it was one of those "Hey, let's abandon our faithful notebook OEM/ODM partners and shaft high performance laptop owners at the same time" shyster maneuvers, and I am not convinced that some of the more despicable OEM/ODM  "partners" didn't have some closed door dealings with the Green Goblin to conspire with the idea of removing GPU upgrades as an option. It was too convenient and affordable for consumers, so they had to make it to where their only available option was to buy new disposable turdbook trash instead of slapping in a newer and more powerful GPU that cost them a fraction of what a complete new turdbook does. It worked for CPUs equally well. The BGA crap CPUs were the rectal thermometer and it was probably immediately obvious that the kiddos were more than happy to drop their drawers and take one up the tailpipe for the sake of thin and light cuteness. Now notebooks are universally gonad-free disposable feces.

[ryan]

i feel like doing this

 

 

[Papusan]

On 3/23/2022 at 4:10 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Congratulations on the accomplishment. Nice job, bro.

That is looking really good. Nice work. It is crazy to think we are running DIMM modules at 6.4GHz. There may be some other voltage settings that you can tweak. I will grab some BIOS screenshot for you. So much extra stuff with 12th Gen with not much documentation. Some of what seems like high voltage is "normal" now. 

 

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The only drawback is high latency and not much gain in much people do on their computers. Not even a big gain in benchmarks/games vs a proper quality DDR4 kit. But I expect people are very hanged up in big numbers🙂 Just look at the smille in the face on many of the Jokebook jockey's. They are even happy with +90ns latency. And the very low voltage for DDR5 is a joke. This increase fast once you clock up your ram sticks. 1.1V looks good on the papers but not so sure many is able to run a decent oc's on their sticks with that voltage.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The only drawback is high latency and not much gain in much people do on their computers. Even not a big gain in benchmarks vs a proper DDR4 kit. But I expect people are very hanged up in big numbers🙂 Just look at the smille in the face on many of the Jokebook jockey's. And the very low voltage for DDR5 is a joke. This increase fast once you clock up your ram sticks. 1.1V looks good on the papers but not so sure many is able to run a decent oc's on their sticks with that voltage.

 

 

Yes, it is all about manipulating  consumer perception and clever marketing. Good results only happen by accident. If and when they actually occur, they are simply a nice coincidence.

 

How much DIMM voltage did you need for that RAM overclock?

 

The screenshot got severely stripped and degraded by the forum so the actual numbers are difficult to read because of the poor resolution.

[Papusan]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, it is all about perception and clever marketing.

 

How much DIMM voltage did you need for that RAM overclock?

 

The screenshot got severely stripped and degraded by the forum so the actual numbers are difficult to read because of the poor resolution.

I have put 1.51V. No where near can use 1.435V on +6800. But I haven't thinkered much with the sticks. No time for that now. 

 

Yep. All is about the marketing. And as you know.... It works 😞 Frank Azor was a master in that game.

 

Regarding how the forum works. I liked the old NBR forun software a a hell lot more than this software. In all ways.

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

Yep. all is about the marketing. And as you know.... It works 😞

People go to college and earn degrees that prove their effectiveness in the art of deception that they call marketing.

 

Unfortunately, there are no college courses that equip graduates to be resistant to it. There is no deliverance from their natural inclination to remain stupid in spite of credentials that suggest that somehow they are not.

[Reciever]

58 minutes ago, ryan said:

anywho! on a happy note the drivers corrupted my ssd and i had to do a restore and lost my overclocks...not a big deal as it only took me two months of tweaking pffffffttt

 

Its old fashioned but I found somethings are just easier to write down. I have 3 small notebooks, one for logins, one for cart reference / knowledge / mostly CEL codes and how to troubleshoot them / last is general. Which is where my profiles and such get written down.

 

One thing not to forget with the prior Witcher 3 test, your max may not have improved to a noticeable level in gaming but the other to check is how your minimums might have changed? Almost more important in the eyes of some though I imagine it may be preference (like many other things out there!).

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

Its old fashioned but I found somethings are just easier to write down. I have 3 small notebooks, one for logins, one for cart reference / knowledge / mostly CEL codes and how to troubleshoot them / last is general. Which is where my profiles and such get written down.

 

One thing not to forget with the prior Witcher 3 test, your max may not have improved to a noticeable level in gaming but the other to check is how your minimums might have changed? Almost more important in the eyes of some though I imagine it may be preference (like many other things out there!).

One of the nice things about good desktop motherboards is the fact that you can save your BIOS overclocck profiles in NVRAM as well as export them to external storage. As far as taking notes to preserve information, I don't write things down much with a keyboard and far less with pen and paper, but I do save lots of screenshots to capture things I don't want to lose track of.

 

I go for many  months without using a pen and paper for anything and I sign my name to something maybe once or twice a year, at most. I used to have impressive penmanship and got compliments all of the time about beautiful handwriting and now it is difficult because I so seldom write anything. It feels awkward and clumsy to hold a pen or pencil in my hand.

 

That is kind of sad when you stop and think about it. Our digital culture de-evolution is causing it. Even more sad is the fact that school kids no longer learn cursive handwriting as part of their so-called public school education. It has been removed from the curriculum in most venues. In fact, my grandkids were specifically told NOT to use cursive writing and were threatened with getting lower scores on handwritten tests if they recorded their answers using cursive handwriting.

[Papusan]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

One of the nice things about good desktop motherboards is the fact that you can save your BIOS overclocck profiles in NVRAM as well as export them to external storage. As far as taking notes to preserve information, I don't write things down much with a keyboard and far less with pen and paper, but I do save lots of screenshots to capture things I don't want to lose track of.

Or just use your smatphone (you have it always with you). And  then you have Macrium reflect. A phone is needed if you have an Jokebook. Not sure you can use a a capture software to take bios screenshots on laptops. 

[Reciever]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

One of the nice things about good desktop motherboards is the fact that you can save your BIOS overclocck profiles in NVRAM as well as export them to external storage. I don't write things down much with a keyboard and far less with pen and paper, but I do save lots of screenshots to capture things I don't want to lose track of.

 

I go for many  months without using a pen and paper for anything and I sign my name to something maybe once or twice a year, at most. I used to have impressive penmanship and got compliments all of the time about beautiful handwriting and now it is difficult because I so seldom write anything. It feels awkward and clumsy to hold a pen or pencil in my hand.

Oh that will be quite appreciated!

 

[Mr. Fox]

36 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Or just use your smatphone (you have it always with you). And  then you have Macrium reflect. A phone is needed if you have an Jokebook. Not sure you can use a a capture software to take bios screenshots on laptops. 

The list of things wrong with laptops seems to be endless. The only way for BIOS capture on a laptop is to use an HDMI capture card and capture the output to an external monitor. But, that usually will not work on a laptop with Optimus because no external display output is available in the BIOS with hybrid graphics, only the laptop internal display works until you reach the Windows or Linux desktop.

19 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Oh that will be quite appreciated!

It certainly has me totally spoiled. Just remember that your saved profiles are BIOS-version specific. You cannot apply the saved profiles from one BIOS version to a newer or older version. That's where the recording of your custom settings or screenshots become valuable. Flashing the firmware will also erase any profiles saved in the firmware environment, but if you saved them to USB they are easily imported as long as the BIOS version is the same.