*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

54 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

I think the ? is because your gpu driver is is not verified, or some bs like that. I couldn't upload one yesterday, because of the same error you were getting. I think UL adds the ?, so the bot thinks its an invalid URL.

 If the driver wasn't verified he wouldn't get the green Valid stamp🙂 Then you have the messed up software from UL/Futuremark, so....

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

To be clear, 18+4 is just ordinary gamerboy grade, not top shelf .

Galax can do this because of the name it have. Not many of the  gamers or gamer kids bother if the cards have 18+4 or 28+4 design as long it make their games looking better vs older gen cards. 

 

KFA2 (GALAX) competes with the Strix model from Asus and the Suprim X model from MSI. If you look at the direct performance data, there are no significant advantages here in terms of performance technology. This means that currently, the manufacturers can only draw some attention with the extent of the performance, the visuals, and the price. 

 

Then you have features that is meant to increase the price point for the products. Fancy extra ARGB bling bling fan. "if you can't use it" (mount it the way it was ment) is a waste of money. Rather let people get cheaper cards and let them put their own fans if they want.... Charge more for useless features is just dumb. The extra added fan will shave of 1 or max 2C on max temp. Not more than whatever fan you have home "can do the same job".

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I think the ? is because your gpu driver is is not verified, or some bs like that. I couldn't upload one yesterday, because of the same error you were getting. I think UL adds the ?, so the bot thinks its an invalid URL.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 If the driver wasn't verified he wouldn't get the green Valid stamp🙂 Then you have the messed up software from UL/Futuremark, so....

Yes, that is correct. Brother @Papusan is right.

 

Even if the driver was not "approved" by UL (only meaning they actually tested the version) it would still be acceptable by HWBOT rules. There are no restrictions on drivers that are allowed with HWBOT. You can use any driver you wish as long as the results do not produce unrealistic benchmark scores that suggest that cheats were used. They can spot scores that are out of scope with an expected range of results because it tends to stick out like a sore thumb. That said, it is not a common scenario that any official driver version affects performance to a degree that the change in scores are freakishly out of line with the applied cooling and clock speeds. If anything, the scores will usually go down with a buggy driver, not up.

 

General Rules | HWBOT

 

The more common scenario is bugs and glitches in the benchmark software that produce abnormally high results, not the driver. If they spot glitched benchmark submissions where the score is freakishly high for the clock speeds shown in the required screenshots and validation links, they will disqualify and delete those submissions.

 

In fact, there is some controversy of this nature relating to disabling memory ECC on 4090 GPUs. @Papusanand @johnksssand others have recently had their 4090 benchmark submissions arbitrarily deleted. In my opinion, this is being driven by golden boys having an issue with scores that are similar, higher or uncomfortably close to their 4090 submissions. They do not like it when peasants steal their thunder. For the first time, probably ever, I think the golden boys find themselves without any "secret weapons" and subject to the instability of the silicon lottery where GPUs are concerned and reacting to competition they are not used to having. With EVGA out of the GPU arms race, the level of mediocrity and loss of focus at the OEM level has never been greater. EVGA is not there to challenge NVIDIA's control freak nonsense and push the envelope anymore.

 

I also believe that is why CENS was so eager to get his hands on the abnormally good CPU that @tps3443had. I am sure he was worried it would end up in the hands of a competitive peasant and that would be a threat. I really doubt he "needed" it for himself. He can get high quality silicon like that through special channels exclusively available to the golden boys that are chosen and predestined to stay on top of the leaderboards. They also get access to carefully selected and modified components and firmware that is not available to us pions.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I also believe that is why CENS was so eager to get his hands on the abnormally good CPU that @tps3443had. I am sure he was worried it would end up in the hands of a competitive peasant and that would be a threat.

From Lumi. EVGA struggle hard get enough good engineering samples of processors. They are too small. They can't compete with Asus, Msi, Gigabyte etc. Hence they have to look other places as Ebay, amazon or other places to find processors that stands out. Raptor lake is maxed out as it is. Very difficult to get good samples. And the record chips ain't from retail. Rather hand picked from Intel for the chosen one. And most of the best chips is in fact the early 13900K engineering samples before Intel's launch of Raptor lake. If you have a good 13900K sample then let it be as is. 

 

 

And same for GPU's. The best chips/cards won't go out to the customers. They will always go to the elite.

 

From what I have read... All the top cards will never reach ordinary customers/retail. Etc the older 980Ti K|ngp|n cards above 90% ASIC score stayed in house. And later spread out to the chosen one. Isn't that nice? They value you as their very important customers. And we can go on. Same for motherboard, Memory and custom firmware/software. But this isn’t only with one brand. All brands do the same. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

From Lumi. EVGA struggle hard get enough good engineering samples of processors. They are too small. They can't compete with Asus, Msi, Gigabyte etc. Hence they have to look other places as Ebay, amazon or other places to find processors that stands out. Raptor lake is maxed out as it is. Very difficult to get good samples. And the record chips ain't from retail. Rather hand picked from Intel for the chosen one. And most of the best chips is in fact the early 13900K engineering samples before Intel's launch of Raptor lake. If you have a good 13900K sample then let it be as is. 

 

 

And same for GPU's. The best chips/cards won't go out to the customers. They will always go to the elite.

 

From what I have read... All the top cards will never reach ordinary customers/retail. Etc the older 980Ti K|ngp|n cards above 90% ASIC score stayed in house. And later spread out to the chosen one. Isn't that nice? They value you as their very important customers. And we can go on. Same for motherboard, Memory and custom firmware/software. 

I guess I never thought of it that way in terms of EVGA. Not only are they small, they are willing to break the rules and do things that Intel, NVIDIA and probably AMD do not approve of. They often make their competitors look bad and seem feckless, which probably does not win them any points among peers. My kind of company... not content with status quo and don't care about getting permission or blessings, or playing nice. I've heard rumors that their unwillingness to lock the IME and let customers downgrade or disable it in the BIOS is a no-no that Intel does not approve of. The other OEMs follow the rules on IME. I'm glad EVGA does not. One of the first things I do on my Dark mobos is disable IME. It's adds no value and is utterly worthless on consumer motherboards.

[electrosoft]

Looks like TiTAN ADA is a reality....

 

This makes complete sense as Nvidia has such a lead with the 4090 over AMD they can push the fatter cores towards a true workstation card with a much higher price and reap the profits.

 

When 4090 and Titan sales finally slow down (AI/ML market is going to slurp these up) then we might see a 4090ti.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-pg137-titan-ada-gpu-with-48gb-memory-spotted-during-shipping

[ryan]

The original 357 load was a 158 grain bullet with an advertised muzzle velocity of 1525 fps.

just giving you a hint

 

also I find it wild that we will see a titan. just to bad in a egpu setup id see like 3060ti performance, sometimes I wonder if its on purpose kinda like they are forcing us to buy each gen. technology has advanced alot and I find it hard to believe they cant get 4090 performance out of a laptop with thunderbolt 4, or heck even come up with a standard that can take the full power of a 4090

 

 

 

 

and this guy wasnt to far off if you can see the 4090 as the titan

 

[cylix]

That Titan is huuuge, name deserving 😁

[Papusan]

Be sure you have latest firmware if you have an Samsung 980 Pro and never used Samsung Magician software or never have updated the firmware. At least check the firmware version you have. Several different tools can be used for this (you don't need Samsung Magician to check the firmware version).

 

Samsung Issues Fix for Dying 980 Pro SSDs. More info in my new thread below...

 

 

[ryan]

I found something funny just showing you cant trust what you read. clearly the legion 5 is better than my omen 16 check this

 

https://www.rtings.com/laptop/tools/compare/lenovo-legion-5-gen-6-15-2021-vs-hp-omen-16-2022/15863/27734?usage=10348&threshold=0.10

[electrosoft]

40 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Be sure you have latest firmware if you have an Samsung 980 Pro and never used Samsung Magician software or never have updated the firmware. At least check the firmware version you have. Several different tools can be used for this (you don't need Samsung Magician to check the firmware version).

 

Samsung Issues Fix for Dying 980 Pro SSDs. More info in my new thread below...

 

 

 

980 or 990? I don't remember reading about the 980 having the same issues as the 990.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

35 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

980 or 990? I don't remember reading about the 980 having the same issues as the 990.

Two different flaws. Samsung have been tight lipped about the ongoing 980 Pro problems. Not good for the sales bro Electro. More competition in the ssd sales. So, bad publicity will hamper the sales. Even at Pudgetsystems. Better be quiet as long as possible. 

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Two different flaws. Samsung have been tight lipped about the ongoing 980 Pro problems. Not good for the sales bro Electro. More competition in the ssd sales. So, bad publicity will hamper the sales. Even at Pudgetsystems. Better be quiet as long as possible. 

Better off sticking with low cost options like Silicon Power, TeamGroup, Sabrent SSDs. The more popular Samsung gets the less quality and higher prices we see, with no meaningful benefits that I can identify.

[ryan]

found a tweak that nets you 10 percent more points in timespy

 

• HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\NVIDIAGREED\SHEEP\COMMAND

[Reciever]

20 hours ago, Papusan said:

 If the driver wasn't verified he wouldn't get the green Valid stamp🙂 Then you have the messed up software from UL/Futuremark, so....

 

Galax can do this because of the name it have. Not many of the  gamers or gamer kids bother if the cards have 18+4 or 28+4 design as long it make their games looking better vs older gen cards. 

 

KFA2 (GALAX) competes with the Strix model from Asus and the Suprim X model from MSI. If you look at the direct performance data, there are no significant advantages here in terms of performance technology. This means that currently, the manufacturers can only draw some attention with the extent of the performance, the visuals, and the price. 

 

Then you have features that is meant to increase the price point for the products. Fancy extra ARGB bling bling fan. "if you can't use it" (mount it the way it was ment) is a waste of money. Rather let people get cheaper cards and let them put their own fans if they want.... Charge more for useless features is just dumb. The extra added fan will shave of 1 or max 2C on max temp. Not more than whatever fan you have home "can do the same job".

 

 

You mean like this?  

 

[Tenoroon]

The P870TM finally arrived, and I spent all day so far moving everything over, but wow. This thing is just insane, GPU temps don't get over 70C with the vapor chamber, CPU runs nice and cool, 3 M.2 slots is nice, and the Prema BIOS is just phenomenal. Though, I do have a few questions.

The backlights are stuck to being this gawdy looking yellow color, but the keyboard refuses to change the LED color or even dim them, they're just stuck yellow. I thought the keyboard was broken so I swapped my known working P775 keyboard in it and it is still that same yellow color. Is it possible for me to change the color in the BIOS or via software?

I also want to know if I can dim the back lid LED's as those are stuck on a white color.

With a bit of trial and error, I managed to get my 870 EVO into the SATA slot, but it was really difficult as the SATA out on the SSD didn't want to line up with the connectors on the motherboard. I have a slightly thicker 2tb HDD that I tried to wiggle in there, but I can't seem to get it in. Is there an intended way to get the SATA drives in? It seems very difficult to get them to slot in just right. 

In the BIOS, there is a fan control option, but its to enable or disable fan control. I've looked in the BIOS but can't find any options for fan control. Are you able to control the fans in the BIOS? If not its no big deal, but I'd like to set some custom tables so I don't have to run ClevoFanControl every time I boot into Windows.

Last thing, but I've noticed these interlaced looking lines on the 1440p display the laptop comes with, they aren't noticeable from a far, but they make the screen look super washed out. I feel like I read somewhere in the past that these 1440p screens were known to have this "issue" but I'm mostly just curious if I can fix it at all.

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Better off sticking with low cost options like Silicon Power, TeamGroup, Sabrent SSDs. The more popular Samsung gets the less quality and higher prices we see, with no meaningful benefits that I can identify.

 

The one thing that sets Samsung SSDs apart from competitors is power efficiency, so they're really good for laptops. Your battery life can improve significantly vs having a competitor SSD since the Samsung drive firmware is better (generally speaking, obviously not in the case where their new 980 pros are having issues).

 

Of course if you're using a desktop, or if you're imposing heavy workloads on your laptop on battery power, the difference is minimal.

[ryan]

I had no idea a ssd could save battery drain. But hey you never know... anyone else here the rumor the 4090ti power is around 4 gigawatts. Not bad and an honest bump...nvidia must be hard at work puzzling to come up with efficient chips

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

You mean like this?  

 

All roads lead to Rome bro Reciever. If it works then why not 🙂

 

The 4000 series graphics cards have a huge open space on top of the backplate where you can just put a fan. This because Nvidia use small often v-shaped PCB. No need to mount the fan. Just put it down on top of the backplate. It won't fly away with your card

[ryan]

Does anyone have a link to a site with benchmark tweaks? Like a list of how to..I wouldn't mind experimenting with new tweaks as I've botched my 9k score setup lol

[Tenoroon]

8 minutes ago, ryan said:

Does anyone have a link to a site with benchmark tweaks? Like a list of how to..I wouldn't mind experimenting with new tweaks as I've botched my 9k score setup lol

https://www.tweaktownforum.com/forum/tech-support-from-vendors/gigabyte/30823-latest-overclocking-programs-system-info-benchmarking-stability-tools

[Raiderman]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Better off sticking with low cost options like Silicon Power, TeamGroup, Sabrent SSDs. The more popular Samsung gets the less quality and higher prices we see, with no meaningful benefits that I can identify.

Ive been impressed with the WD Black I purchased. I think it was $60 for the 500gb, and in crystal mark testing, it smokes the 970 evo I had in my last build. (probably samsung chips 🙂 )

[Reciever]

 

Taking advantage of Snow Week here in DFW. Time to get us some points for TeamPrema

 

With all that being said, I dont have fancy cooling, all air, so my window is open to keep the temps low. 

Any vBIOS I can flash for my EVGA RTX 3090? Non KingPin 

[MyPC8MyBrain]

  

5 hours ago, ryan said:

found a tweak that nets you 10 percent more points in timespy

• HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\NVIDIAGREED\SHEEP\COMMAND

didn't work for me 😄

 

what did work (20% gains on my system) is if you have in device manager under

"Software Devices" > "NVIDIA Platform Controllers and Framework"

try disabling it and give your bench another go 

 

my before and after result below

before https://www.3dmark.com/spy/33797525 

after https://www.3dmark.com/spy/34146281

 

On 1/30/2023 at 5:15 PM, ryan said:

I think Im done benchmarking this turdbook.

one more 😉

[Raiderman]

13 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

Taking advantage of Snow Week here in DFW. Time to get us some points for TeamPrema

 

With all that being said, I dont have fancy cooling, all air, so my window is open to keep the temps low. 

Any vBIOS I can flash for my EVGA RTX 3090? Non KingPin 

If you're in your own room, bundle up, close the door, and bring an electric fan in with you. I open the side panel up and let the fan blow directly at my components. If I had more time, I would be doing just that. It's been bitter cold here in Idaho this week, with temps in the single digits Fahrenheit at night. Stanley, Idaho 3 hours from here had a windchill factor of -45f this morning. 🥶

[Reciever]

3 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

If you're in your own room, bundle up, close the door, and bring an electric fan in with you. I open the side panel up and let the fan blow directly at my components. If I had more time, I would be doing just that. It's been bitter cold here in Idaho this week, with temps in the single digits Fahrenheit at night. Stanley, Idaho 3 hours from here had a windchill factor of -45f this morning. 🥶

 

Right there with ya! Blanket and heating pad already engaged lol no case here so technically ahea dof you there.