*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

32 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

I loaned him the card so he could see both sides, but it is likely a short excursion and not a permanent trip. I would like to see him test it in Linux.

I would love see him running Win 7 with the card. Not only for benching🙂 

 

54 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Interesting video. 75% of the 4090 is worse made than the 4090 FE from Nvidia. Yep, you can get a decent o'clocker (the lottery is real) but getting a worse cards with cheaper and fewer components on the PCB for same high MSRP or above than the vanilla 4090 from nvidia is pretty sad. The AIB partner kill themsel with this cheapo move. They don't need help from Nvidia to get rid of themself as a graphics card manufacturer. They are fully able to do it themselves.

 

Also for the overpriced 4080 the AIC partners created many of their cards with worse specs than the vanilla 4080FE. Cost cutting all over the place. Once Nvidia boost up their stock of cards and improve their Stores they can easly get rid of all of their AIC parners. Pay the same and get less is a bad deal. 

 

 

[Etern4l]

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I loaned him the card so he could see both sides, but it is likely a short excursion and not a permanent trip. I would like to see him test it in Linux.

 

I hate to report this, but with Nvidia cards at least, GPU performance on Linux is similar to Windows, unlike on the CPU and I/O-side.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Also watch out on Microsofts new low below. They continue improve their fantastic OS and features.

 

I just love the way Microsoft do things. But I and you bro @Mr. Foxalready know this. Yet another reason get rid of Windows Defender. One of many. Whats next? Use the GPU for Telemetry and Data harvesting? Oh' nope... They already do that😎

 

Interesting video. 75% of the 4090 is worse made than the 4090 FE from Nvidia. Yep, you can get a decent o'clocker (the lottery is real) but getting a worse cards with cheaper and fewer components on the PCB for same high MSRP or above than the vanilla 4090 from nvidia is pretty sad. The AIB partner kill themsel with this cheapo move. They don't need help from Nvidia to get rid of themself as a graphics card manufacturer. They are fully able to do it themselves.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5226152_papusan_3dmark___time_spy_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_20324_marks

Nice results bro Fox 🙂 Does the 6900XT grow on you?

 

MSI holding it down properly right up there with the HOF.

 

I'm very happy with my Liquid X....even moreso after trying another one that was beyond poor and returning that one to Best Buy. 2835mhz out of the box and 3120mhz for gaming and benching? +1600 on the memory? No coil whine? Fantastic temps? Works for me.

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I would love see him running Win 7 with the card. Not only for benching🙂 

 

Also for the overpriced 4080 the AIC partners created many of their cards with worse specs than the vanilla 4080FE. Cost cutting all over the place. Once Nvidia boost up their stock of cards and improve their Stores they can easly get rid of all of their AIC parners. Pay the same and get less is a bad deal. 

 

 

 

I can't begin to convey how much the 4080 is a non-starter for me but it IS a good card just priced outlandishly. If it came in even at $999.99 it would be a viable option in many scenarios.

 

I don't think Nvidia wants to get rid of AIBs but they also have no problems competing directly with them either. AIBs will always offer options and looks Nvidia will not and there are buyers out there that shop on name brand and aesthetics too not just raw performance or bang:buck. Nvidia can't even keep up with demand for their own 4090FE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vasudev]

On 3/13/2023 at 7:17 AM, Mr. Fox said:

So, RBE does not work with 6900 XT. MPT works, but I cannot mod the firmware. I managed to pick up 1,000 TS points but have a lot of experimenting to do before I understand how it works.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/90821202 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5225175_

@Mr. FoxYou went with full AMD build which is a first after 7970M on AW. RBE doesn't work anymore. You can use 1usmus tuning tool or  Igors lab

 

On 3/13/2023 at 2:40 AM, Papusan said:

The smaller pivotable wheels have load capacity from 125 and up to 300 kg. You only need 4 of them and a bigger stiff plate to fit the chiller and the PC. And I doubt the chiller + the PC is much heavier than my huge big black box🙂 So I don't see the need for a laptop close to +INR 246,946 and upwards. Your desktop can be portable if you really want. My older laptops can do the job if I need take with me a PC out on the go. 

 

As a tidbit from Papusan's plaza in the snowy and stormy north. We are now in middle of first spring month where we should start see first sign of spring flowers and birdlife. This is what we woke up to this Sunday morning. The winter storm this night come with 60cm new hard packed snow. And this won't stop before we are in middle May. Yep, nice living in a snow hole near the north pole🙂 You have to enjoy snow if you like all this. And I don't. Have seen more than enough of it. 

 

 

 

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And once Intel, Nvidia and AMD going with smaller node we will see the laptop makers once again going hard for much thinner to sell it as "big news". They aren't finished going after the thin and slim laptop crown. The only reason Apple went with slightly thicker design was the need to add back some I/O ports they removed du the sick and slimy chassis trend. The dongle life ain't really started. We are just in the beginning for minimum of  I/O ports and no power connectors for the next gen lap-jokes. Gaming books, workstation laptops or creator books. All will suffer the same destiny. 

 

Look at the beauty. Something like this will be your next laptop gaming beast. One thing for sure... Bro @Mr. Fox won't pay +INR 246,946 for next gen new and modern gaming books..

Been searching for new laptop to replace 15r2 since video editing and OS slipstreaming w/ testing with taking more than 8 hrs. Soldered DRAM/Wifi/SSD are priced lower but repair costs is too high  on out of warranty. I don't know if Radeon RDNA2/3 iGPU is sufficient for davinci resolve.

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I love how you are beating the majority of 3090/Ti's with that card. If only AMD put the same effort into ray-tracing that they did with rasterization. 

It does a really fantastic job in rasterization. I'd love to see what 3DMark 11 would look like under Windows 7. Windows 10/11 are just ruining the physics and combined scores, which is a real shame. Maybe I will find a solution to that.

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nice results bro Fox 🙂 Does the 6900XT grow on you?

Somewhat. It's definitely a mixed bag. Drivers are an absolute mess, but that is generally the case with AMD. Getting the stupid Radeon Control Panel (UWP filth) has been a real pain. The More Power Tool (third-party) is probably the best thing about it. It's useful and something similar would be useful for NVIDIA.  Some of the settings available are lacking documentation.

4 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I loaned him the card so he could see both sides, but it is likely a short excursion and not a permanent trip. I would like to see him test it in Linux.

I've already booted into Linux and got it working. It was kind of messed up at first because Ubuntu was trying to update NVIDIA drivers and failing since there is no NVIDIA GPU, and that would cause the other updates to fail. Finally got all of the NVIDIA stuff removed and it straightened right up.  Anything particular you would like to see me run in Linux?

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Brother @RaidermanI really dig the DG-86. I like it more than I expected to, and I expected to like it. Thank you. I did some polishing on the acrylic and it's not quite as scruffy. I think if I spend more time with a power buffer or flame it that will be resolved.

 

I have it on a wheeled cart, so I can just disconnect audio, video cables, etc. and unplug the water lines with the QD fittings and roll it out into the middle of the room to work on it... spin it 360° to tinker. Super convenient being able to do that. 

  

2 hours ago, Vasudev said:

@Mr. FoxYou went with full AMD build which is a first after 7970M on AW. RBE doesn't work anymore. You can use 1usmus tuning tool or  Igors lab

 

No, just "road testing" a 6900 XT thanks to the kindness of Brother @Rage Set letting me kick the tires. I did not care for the 1usmus Ryzen software. It was pretty convoluted and kind of gamerboy-ish. I got better overclocking results manually settings things in the BIOS.

 

The More Power Tool is pretty nice. I wish it had comprehensive documentation for some of the obscure settings.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I don't think Nvidia wants to get rid of AIBs but they also have no problems competing directly with them either. AIBs will always offer options and looks Nvidia will not and there are buyers out there that shop on name brand and aesthetics too not just raw performance or bang:buck. Nvidia can't even keep up with demand for their own 4090FE.

Nvidia haven't cards that is very appealing to the gamer kids that want most possible aRGB, fancy backplate and bling bling in their small cute flashy boxes.  The FE cards is more appealing to the older gamers/consumers. And nvidia still haven't Stores everywhere. Probably due older written agreements with retail and AIC partners around the world. But be you sure... They will put more weight into their own Stores forwards. They have already done that in Scandinavia. More regions will come after. 

 

Not so sure the fancy GPU design from the Gamers Nexus review is very appealing to bro @Mr. Fox😅

 

See also... NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Reviews To Focus On MSRP & Premium Variants Individually, Launches 13th April

 

 

By splitting the embargo this way, NVIDIA will essentially promote cheaper custom models instead of the factory-overclocked designs which are typically pricier. On the other hand, it doesn’t really make sense to split the embargo by a whole day because barely anyone will have a chance to read the reviews of non-MSRP cards just as they hit the shelves.

 

NVIDIA will officially announce the GeForce RTX 4070 on April 12th, which is also the review embargo for all RTX 4070 cards to be offered at MSRP. The non-MSRP model tests will be published on April 13th, the same day the card officially launches.

 

GeForce RTX 4070 Launches on April 13 with Split Review Embargo Strategy to Promote Custom Designs at MSRP

By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 03/14/2023 07:09 PM 

NVIDIA seems to be planning the launch of its performance-segment graphics card, the GeForce RTX 4070 "Ada," on April 13, with reviews expected to be released a day prior.

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[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Brother @RaidermanI really dig the DG-86. I like it more than I expected to, and I expected to like it. Thank you. I did some polishing on the acrylic and it's not quite as scruffy. I think if I spend more time with a power buffer or flame it that will be resolved.

 

I have it on a wheeled cart, so I can just disconnect audio, video cables, etc. and unplug the water lines with the QD fittings and roll it out into the middle of the room to work on it... spin it 360° to tinker. Super convenient being able to do that. 

  

 

 

I am really glad you are happy with it! I wish shipping was a bit cheaper than it was, but I suppose it is because it is so huge. I wonder if you could replace the plastic window with a piece of tempered glass? I never went as far as you have with that case. It was just too big for my taste. I think it is kind of designed to sit with the wiring side to a wall, so it sits like a TV almost. Again, very glad you like it. 🤙

[Mr. Fox]

51 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

I am really glad you are happy with it! I wish shipping was a bit cheaper than it was, but I suppose it is because it is so huge. I wonder if you could replace the plastic window with a piece of tempered glass? I never went as far as you have with that case. It was just too big for my taste. I think it is kind of designed to sit with the wiring side to a wall, so it sits like a TV almost. Again, very glad you like it. 🤙

I have actually thought of that. The acrylic is also the hinges and latch striker posts so it would be kind of a complex mod, if you could even get a glass shop to go for it. I could also reach out to EVGA and see if they have a new door available, or just cut out the acrylic and have it open. I will probably first try harder to buff it out. It's already way better. I can wet sand it with 800 and 1200 and buff it again, and also use a torch to make it shine. I've never done that before, so I will practice on a piece of acrylic from Home Depot first. I hear it is easy to do, but testing on something I can throw away first is probably still the better idea.

 

I do have its back against the wall. I thought about putting it on my desk horizontally (back against the wall). It takes less space than the Level 20 XT case did. It is a lot taller, yet the footprint is  smaller (about the same length, but about half the width). The Level 20 XT needs an entire desk dedicated to it alone, LOL... literally... not joking.

I have room for it on my desk, but I think I like having it on the cart better. It's just so much more convenient that way and it gives me more desk space.

[Papusan]

This just getting better, LOOOL 12:15 or watch the whole video. Jufes try har to get new friends, HaHa

 

 

[Tenoroon]

45 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This just getting better, LOOOL 12:15 or watch the whole video. 

 

 

I love this guy; he expends so much energy getting angry and heated at things that don't matter LOLOL. Don't like AMD? Avoid them and tell people why you think they should follow your footsteps in not buying from them. He just doesn't get it and curses just about every other sentence. I am convinced this man is a true CLOWN. 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

I love this guy; he expends so much energy getting angry and heated at things that don't matter LOLOL. Don't like AMD? Avoid them and tell people why you think they should follow your footsteps in not buying from them. He just doesn't get it and curses just about every other sentence. I am convinced this man is a true CLOWN. 

Dang, you got all the colors correct😁 Red for AMD, Blue for Intel and Green for Nvidia. Nice mix just pick your correct pill, HaHa

 

Clowns are for entertainment. And Jufes fits very well in that clothes🙂

[Mr. Fox]

I often agree with him. He has random good content and often useful technical info. When he is acting like a normal person he is very tolerable, but his obnoxious and crude personality exacerbated by vulgar arrogance often makes it difficult for me to appreciate his videos. It is rare that I can watch one from start to finish. I cringe at the thought of how he might have behaved as a teenager.

[Papusan]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I often agree with him. He has random good content and often useful technical info. When he is acting like a normal person he is very tolerable, but his obnoxious and crude personality exacerbated by vulgar arrogance often makes it difficult for me to appreciate his videos. It is rare that I can watch one from start to finish. I cringe at the thought of how he might have behaved as a teenager.

Yep, a whole video is too much 🙂 I pick what I want to see and skip the rest.

 

RTX 4070 Pricing Leak: Nvidia's INSANE Pricing Continues... moore's law is dead. If this is correct... The 4090 makes more and more sense as the only option from 4000 series graphics cards. Nvidia is on  the way to be perverse. This is just Disgusting! $749,99 taste on this. I hope this is very very wrong. Because it's very wrong charge this much for a xx70 card. Nvidia RTX 3070 was $499. 

 

 

[Papusan]

@Mr. Fox It seems I bricked my 980 Kingpin. Flashed the XOC vbios found here in the folder EVGA 980 CLASSIFIED K|NGP|N EDITION TOOLS

 

From the folder

 

 

As usual I disabled the driver in device manager. Made a folder in C:/kingpin and put in the XOC bios and put in the nvflash files. Run CMD as adm.... cd c:\kingpin

 

Next... nvflash -6 kp980x.rom

 

Y for everything and got confirmed the reboot. I rebooted and got a nice black screen 🙂

 

 

I have a small card I can boot with. Have done this before but now forgot the procedure. 

 

Edit. I installed a smaller card in second slot. Booted up and looked into GPU-Z and found the GTX980 still there but with the same old stock vbios. Went into device manager and enabled the Kingpin card. Then shut down the machine. Turned of the on/off switch and the AC plug. Swapped the HDMI cable over to the 980 kingpin and booted up again. There I also got confirmed that the Kingpin card worked but with same old vBios. Hmmmm

 

 

Maybe I need protect off? Nothing in the guide say this. More like this next time...? 

 

Same folder in C:/kingpin with the XOC bios and the nvflash files. Run CMD as adm.... cd c:\kingpin

 

Next... nvflash --protectoff then Enter

 

Next... nvflash -6 kp980x.rom then Enter

 

And is it better to shut down instead for reboot? Shut down and then turn of the on/off switch and AC cable. Then connect power and boot up again?

 

 

[Etern4l]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yep, a whole video is too much 🙂 I pick what I want to see and skip the rest.

 

RTX 4070 Pricing Leak: Nvidia's INSANE Pricing Continues... moore's law is dead. If this is correct... The 4090 makes more and more sense as the only option from 4000 series graphics cards. Nvidia is on  the way to be perverse. This is just Disgusting! $749,99 taste on this. I hope this is very very wrong. Because it's very wrong charge this much for a xx70 card. Nvidia RTX 3070 was $499. 

 

 

 

At the moment, high GPU prices are caused by ChatGPT (which runs on Nvidia GPUs), essentially owned my Microsoft. By supporting Microsoft (using Microsoft products) people support this, and other consequences of that development.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

At the moment, high GPU prices are caused by ChatGPT (which runs on Nvidia GPUs), essentially owned my Microsoft. By supporting Microsoft (using Microsoft products) people support this, and other consequences of that development.

I rather think Nvidia want to have it all. If you don't want to pay or have the money then go with Geforce Now or buy older used card so the seller can buy new from Nvidia at overprice 🙂

 

Artificial Intelligence (AI) will be one of Nvidia's biggest income generators, according to the latest TrendForce(opens in new tab) projection. The research firm estimates that OpenAI's ChatGPT will eventually need over 30,000 Nvidia graphics cards. Thankfully, gamers have nothing to be concerned about, as ChatGPT won't touch the best graphics cards for gaming but rather tap into Nvidia's compute accelerators, such as the A100.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/chatgpt-nvidia-30000-gpus

[Etern4l]

12 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I rather think Nvidia want to have it all. If you don't want to pay or have the money then go with Geforce Now or buy older used card so the seller can buy new from Nvidia at overprice 🙂

 

Artificial Intelligence (AI) will be one of Nvidia's biggest income generators, according to the latest TrendForce(opens in new tab) projection. The research firm estimates that OpenAI's ChatGPT will eventually need over 30,000 Nvidia graphics cards. Thankfully, gamers have nothing to be concerned about, as ChatGPT won't touch the best graphics cards for gaming but rather tap into Nvidia's compute accelerators, such as the A100.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/chatgpt-nvidia-30000-gpus

 

Idiotic comment by Tom (typically of late unfortunately). Clearly, if Nvidia had much less demand for their server GPUs, they would allocate manufacturing capacity to gaming GPUs. Prices would then fall due to the increase in supply, as per basic economics. 

[Rage Set]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Idiotic comment by Tom (typically of late unfortunately). Clearly, if Nvidia had much less demand for their server GPUs, they would allocate manufacturing capacity to gaming GPUs. Prices would then fall due to the increase in supply, as per basic economics. 

 

If you were the CEO of Nvidia, would you increase supply in order to then have ASP's go down? I don't think you or I (or anyone else in this thread) would...unless you don't want a free market. Nvidia has already stated supply isn't an issue, thus why they and AMD are holding back shipments. 

[Etern4l]

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

If you were the CEO of Nvidia, would you increase supply in order to then have ASP's go down? I don't think you or I (or anyone else in this thread) would...unless you don't want a free market. Nvidia has already stated supply isn't an issue, thus why they and AMD are holding back shipments. 

 

How is supply not an issue if everyone in the industry says there are not enough chips, and GPU chips specifically. Do you have a link to the precise Nvidia statement we could scrutinise? 

 

On the on the other hand, it is true that thanks to the pitiful effort on the GPU side from AMD, Nvidia de facto monopolised high-end GPU space therefore they are in a position to gouge customers undisturbed by meaningful competition. 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

How is supply not an issue if everyone in the industry says there are not enough chips, and GPU chips specifically. Do you have a link to the precise Nvidia statement we could scrutinise? 

 

On the on the other hand, it is true that thanks to the pitiful effort on the GPU side from AMD, Nvidia de facto monopolised high-end GPU space therefore they are in a position to gouge customers undisturbed by meaningful competition. 

 

I think the supply issue @Rage Set is referring to is from Nvidia production capacity which is more than adequate. It isn't as if they are constrained and pumping out as many chips as they can sell. Instead, they have more than enough production capacity and they are purposely holding back supply to control demand fulfillment and keep prices where they want instead of saturating the shelves and product just sits.

 

Somewhere in there the truth lies about true demand along with how much supply Nvidia actually has but the end goal is to keep prices elevated and product moving at a calculated rate.

 

And yes, AMD was a swing and a miss this time around on the high end to the point Nvidia still doesn't feel the need to lower the price of even the 4080 to match the 7900xtx for competitive reasons.

 

 

 

 

[Vasudev]

17 hours ago, Papusan said:

This just getting better, LOOOL 12:15 or watch the whole video. Jufes try har to get new friends, HaHa

 

 

I got turned off instantly. Felt more like a rage than a rant.

@PapusanDo you think we'll see sub 400$ GPU from either GPU vendor? I think they make more money from BGA GPUs.

[Mr. Fox]

I spent several hours again last night/early morning with limited sleep trying to get the 6900 XT to work in Windows 7. I got to the point of eliminating the code 12 error in Device Manager using a very old driver. It appear to function, but does not. Aero does not work and there is no 3D graphic acceleration in Windows even though Device Manager reports the device is functioning normally. If I try to open Radeon Settings I get an error that the drivers are not installed even though they are.

 

I am wondering now if the issue is a conflict the GPU firmware has with the Alder Lake system BIOS and/or ACPI. It may be chipset or motherboard/vendor specific. Windows 7 still refuses to boot with the BIOS in Legacy mode with the 6900 XT. It freezes in Legacy mode in the same manner that one would normally expect it to freeze in UEFI mode without CSM enabled. It is very bizarre behavior and the exact opposite of what I would normally expect to see booting Windows 7 without CSM. 

[electrosoft]

14 minutes ago, Vasudev said:

I got turned off instantly. Felt more like a rage than a rant.

@PapusanDo you think we'll see sub 400$ GPU from either GPU vendor? I think they make more money from BGA GPUs.

 

It is a fine art separating his rants and self aggrandizing from valid information.

 

I like how he thinks his 23k sub channel is all that important as he continues to get followers to donate to buy equipment for him to test (which he then keeps or sells) along with charging $500 consults and patting himself on the back and anointing himself some enlightened techie.

 

What I DO like is his approach to hardware testing is more like my approach so I like those results pushing systems farther and seeing what they can produce and while rambling sometimes into almost tinfoil hat conspiracy land, he does manage to land the occasional valid point.

 

And I do agree with him the 7950X3D is a steaming pile overall with the reliance on scheduler and detecting mess as is but it does have its use cases. For example, if I want top notch gaming but I also need a 16/32 CPU for multi-threaded work quite honestly I would just go into the BIOS and turn off the non 3D CCD and game away then just turn it back on when finished. I would then set up two profiles fine tuned for both with a dialed in OC and switch between them as needed. That would take all of 5 minutes to do and alleviate all the scheduler BS headaches.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Etern4l]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I think the supply issue @Rage Set is referring to is from Nvidia production capacity which is more than adequate. It isn't as if they are constrained and pumping out as many chips as they can sell. Instead, they have more than enough production capacity and they are purposely holding back supply to control demand fulfillment and keep prices where they want instead of saturating the shelves and product just sits.

 

Somewhere in there the truth lies about true demand along with how much supply Nvidia actually has but the end goal is to keep prices elevated and product moving at a calculated rate.

 

And yes, AMD was a swing and a miss this time around on the high end to the point Nvidia still doesn't feel the need to lower the price of even the 4080 to match the 7900xtx for competitive reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm just curious where your information regarding Nvidia's current capacity/supply has been sourced from. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I spent several hours again last night/early morning with limited sleep trying to get the 6900 XT to work in Windows 7. I got to the point of eliminating the code 12 error in Device Manager using a very old driver. It appear to function, but does not. Aero does not work and there is no 3D graphic acceleration in Windows even though Device Manager reports the device is functioning normally. If I try to open Radeon Settings I get an error that the drivers are not installed even though they are.

 

I am wondering now if the issue is a conflict the GPU firmware has with the Alder Lake system BIOS and/or ACPI. It may be chipset or motherboard/vendor specific. Windows 7 still refuses to boot with the BIOS in Legacy mode with the 6900 XT. It freezes in Legacy mode in the same manner that one would normally expect it to freeze in UEFI mode without CSM enabled. It is very bizarre behavior and the exact opposite of what I would normally expect to see booting Windows 7 without CSM. 

Possibly worth noting, I hold first place for 3DMark 11 running 13900K + 6900 XT and there are only three submissions to UL. Whether or not that is an indication of others running into issues with Windows 7 and Alder Lake + 6900 XT is nothing more than a wild guess, but only three submissions is pretty freaking weird. I'm confident I would see another 2,000 points on Windows 7 due to a massive increase in physics and combined scores. My cynical self believes that this is by design to prevent Windows 7 from exposing what botched up messes Windows 10/11 are.

 

All three of these are Windows 11...

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/15658326/3dm11/15631505/3dm11/15323702#