Mr. Fox Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 hours ago, electrosoft said: Best Buy has had Asus Strix 4090 in stock for over a day now (If you wanted to bang your head against the wall one more time @Mr. Fox 🙂 ) https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-overclock-24gb-gddr6x-pci-express-4-0-strix-graphics-card-black/6524435.p?skuId=6524435 How 'bout no, LOL... I wouldn't roll the dice on another Strix GPU... they're garbage. I think I would choose almost any other option over another Strix. If it is going to suck it should cost less, not more. 4 hours ago, Papusan said: Maybe buy 4 so you have a better chance than he here.... Good to know this is normal for the crappy ASUS memory. The Strix 4090 should be priced like a PNY or Gigabutt Windfarts bottomfeeder 4090 because it performs like one of them, if not worse. 3 hours ago, Vasudev said: Does enabling HAGS in Win 10/11 improve the score when paired with Game Mode? I don't know what that is. HAGS? 2 hours ago, electrosoft said: Only one way to find out. 🙂 Let someone else find out. Better them than me. Strix stupid price should be a guaranteed golden ticket on binned GPU and memory, but it seems paying them extra for it is to only guarantee disappointment. 2 2 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: I don't know what that is. HAGS? A useless feature created by Microsoft. How to Enable or Disable Hardware Accelerated GPU.... Here is another thing you''ll waste your time on. Is this the worst of this years cooling product? 1x120mm and 1x240mm 30mm radiators baked together as one unit. And the $500 USD price tag for this package don't make it looking better. Only worse. Whom is this new fancy cooler box meant for? You can mosly fit in an 360mm custom cooling/AIO in most of the mini PC boxes so I just can't see people will buy a box nr 2 to when the intent with your mini PC box was to reduce the mess/clutter around the gaming table/workplace or take it with you in another place in your house/or out to a friend for a gaming session. What a wasted opportunity to make something avsome in cooling from Alphacool. I give it minus 1 out of 5. Is minus 1 less or more than 1 bro @ryan? External watercooling with the ES Orbiter 360 TS from Alphacool 3 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, Papusan said: A useless feature created by Microsoft. How to Enable or Disable Hardware Accelerated GPU.... Here is another thing you waste your time on. Is this the worst of this years cooling product? 1x120mm and 1x240mm 30mm radiators baked together as one unit. And $500 USD for this package don't make it looking better. Only worse. Whom is this cooler box meant for? You can mosly fit in an 360mm custom cooling in most of the mini PC boxes so I just can't see people will buy a box nr 2 to when the intent with your mini PC box was to reduce the mess around the gaming table/workplace or take it wit you in another place in your house/or to a friend for a gaming session. External watercooling with the ES Orbiter 360 TS from Alphacool Wouldnt it be better to have rads on the walls with fans pushing air out making it negative pressure box instead of sandwiched like that? 3 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Reciever said: Wouldnt it be better to have rads on the walls with fans pushing air out making it negative pressure box instead of sandwiched like that? Weird if they haven't tested this under the developement/design before finished product. But yep, older high end PC boxes used the rads the way you describe when they had a radiator chamber at bottom/top. Here is another failed product.... Same $500 price-tag if I buy one here home. If I can find one. Review: Acer Predator BiFrost Intel Arc A770 OC. Yep, a OC card in the naming but no way to alter memory speed. https://en.overclocking.com/review-acer-predator-bifrost-intel-arc-a770-oc/11/ Step 3: Manual overclocking To do this, we went back to the Intel drivers and the software that allows you to set up and monitor your graphics card. We were able to push the Boost frequency to 2580 MHz while keeping the fan in automatic mode. Unfortunately, there is still no way to change the memory frequency. It’s a very good thing that overclocking is easier than at launch, hoping to see the memory frequency unlocked in the coming weeks. The 3rd and 4th bad products for the day... NVIDIA RTX 4060 (Ti) Founders Edition has allegedly pictured videocardz.com Why castrate the TGP in same way as nvidia do for their mobile graphics cards? Whats the reason do this for lower tier desktop card when they increased TGP for their flagship? Reduce the useful lifspan so people/gamers is forced to buy next gen cards at launch day ---- 5060 with even more castrated TGP? The direction going the wrong way for desktop cards as they have done for power castration for mobile cards in laptops. This is just sad. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-founders-edition-has-been-pictured-as-well 1 3 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenoroon Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Papusan said: Weird if they haven't tested this under the developement/design before finished product. But yep, older high end PC boxes used the rads the way you describe when they had a radiator chamber at bottom/top. Here is another failed product.... Same $500 price-tag if I buy one here home. If I can find one. Review: Acer Predator BiFrost Intel Arc A770 OC. Yep, a OC card in the naming but no way to alter memory speed. https://en.overclocking.com/review-acer-predator-bifrost-intel-arc-a770-oc/11/ Step 3: Manual overclocking To do this, we went back to the Intel drivers and the software that allows you to set up and monitor your graphics card. We were able to push the Boost frequency to 2580 MHz while keeping the fan in automatic mode. Unfortunately, there is still no way to change the memory frequency. It’s a very good thing that overclocking is easier than at launch, hoping to see the memory frequency unlocked in the coming weeks. The 3rd and 4th bad products for the day... NVIDIA RTX 4060 (Ti) Founders Edition has allegedly pictured videocardz.com Why castrate the TGP in same way as nvidia do for their mobile graphics cards? Whats the reason do this for lower tier desktop card when they increased TGP for their flagship? Reduce the useful lifspan so people/gamers is forced to buy next gen cards at launch day ---- 5060 with even more castrated TGP? The direction going the wrong way for desktop cards as they have done for power castration for mobile cards in laptops. This is just sad. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-founders-edition-has-been-pictured-as-well That 4060ti is really neutered, damn... Nvidia really did slip up this generation, they just shifted the SKUs down a tier and people aren't saying much. Even that 4060 is rough; the only thing I can argue in its favor for is that the 1060's TGP was around 120w, but even this doesn't justify it using a 107 class chip with a 128 bit bus WHILE HAVING LESS VRAM AND CORES THAN LAST GENERATION??!?? 5 1 1 Clevo P870TM-G: Core i7 8700k @ 4.8ghz | Clevo RTX 2070 Super | 32gb HyperX DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 17" 1440p 120hz B173QTN01.0 Screen | 256gb Samsung 850 EVO | 500gb WD Blue SSD | Prema BIOS Alienware 17 R1: Core i7 4710mq @ 3.619ghz 741 CBR15 (834 CBR15 @ 4.213ghz) | Dell GTX 860m | 16gb HyperX DDR3L @ 2133mhz | 17" 3D 120hz LTN173HT02-T01 Screen | 256gb mSATA SSD Asus Zephyrus G14: Ryzen 7 4800hs @ 4.2ghz | GTX 1650 | 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 14" 120hz LM140LF1F01 Screen | 512gb NVME SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: I don't know what that is. HAGS? 2 hours ago, Papusan said: A useless feature created by Microsoft. How to Enable or Disable Hardware Accelerated GPU.... Oh yeah... that, LOL. Doesn't do anything. Already tried that when they first introduce that scam. Worthless. ... 2 hours ago, Papusan said: Here is another thing you''ll waste your time on. Is this the worst of this years cooling product? 1x120mm and 1x240mm 30mm radiators baked together as one unit. And the $500 USD price tag for this package don't make it looking better. Only worse. Whom is this new fancy cooler box meant for? You can mosly fit in an 360mm custom cooling/AIO in most of the mini PC boxes so I just can't see people will buy a box nr 2 to when the intent with your mini PC box was to reduce the mess/clutter around the gaming table/workplace or take it with you in another place in your house/or out to a friend for a gaming session. What a wasted opportunity to make something avsome in cooling from Alphacool. I give it minus 1 out of 5. Is minus 1 less or more than 1 bro @ryan? External watercooling with the ES Orbiter 360 TS from Alphacool 2 hours ago, Papusan said: The 3rd and 4th bad products for the day... NVIDIA RTX 4060 (Ti) Founders Edition has allegedly pictured videocardz.com Why castrate the TGP in same way as nvidia do for their mobile graphics cards? Whats the reason do this for lower tier desktop card when they increased TGP for their flagship? Reduce the useful lifspan so people/gamers is forced to buy next gen cards at launch day ---- 5060 with even more castrated TGP? The direction going the wrong way for desktop cards as they have done for power castration for mobile cards in laptops. This is just sad. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-founders-edition-has-been-pictured-as-well There is a reason for this. Brother Tom MacDonald wrote a song about it. Here are the lyrics that describe the problem in great detail. The chorus is particularly on point... Quote Ain't nobody dumber than y'all, ain't nobody dumber than y'all I guess you love to be wrong, but you don't have the guts or the balls Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dee-dee-dumb, dumb Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dee-dee-dumb, dumb Stupid Evil, dishonest people create stupid products for a market dominated by stupid people that buy those stupid things. 3 3 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Tenoroon said: That 4060ti is really neutered, damn... Nvidia really did slip up this generation, they just shifted the SKUs down a tier and people aren't saying much. Even that 4060 is rough; the only thing I can argue in its favor for is that the 1060's TGP was around 120w, but even this doesn't justify it using a 107 class chip with a 128 bit bus WHILE HAVING LESS VRAM AND CORES THAN LAST GENERATION??!?? 3060 desktop card was 170w TGP or 48% higher than the new and shiny from nvidia with LESS VRAM AND CORES. As you can see... The whole card is dumb-ed down as the mobile junk. When you cripple the card you have to do it properly. Everything has to be castrated. They just can't do it halfway. Intel on the other hand.... And why they put in Baby cores for majority of their mainstram chips... Intel Xeon W9-3495X Sapphire Rapids CPU Sips Almost 2 Kilowatts of Power When Overclocked 29 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: Oh yeah... that, LOL. Doesn't do anything. Already tried that when the first introduce that scam. Worthless. ... There is a reason for this. Brother Tom MacDonald wrote a song about it. Here are the lyrics that describe the problem in great detail. The chorus is particularly on point... Me visit Nvidia HQ.... 2 3 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Papusan said: Me visit Nvidia HQ.... Same things happens when you visit the Remond Retards' HQ... The sad reality... 2 1 2 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 13 hours ago, Papusan said: Maybe buy 4 so you have a better chance than he here.... 11 hours ago, electrosoft said: Only one way to find out. 🙂 Splave needed the new 56 core monster from Intel to fix the total score with the Asus card. Trash Graphics score from the Asus card but the 5th place was saved by the $5,889 "free" 3495X 'Sapphire Rapids' massive Physics score🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5227670_splave_3dmark___time_spy_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_20721_marks And then you have him here. @Mr. FoxDoes it mean he have avesome card if he only run the card with ECC Disabed?😕 Aka the way it is meant to be used by gamers. Btw... He use a Rog Strix card, Hmmm 4 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Papusan said: Splave needed the new 56 core monster from Intel to fix the total score with the Asus card. Trash Graphics score from the Asus card but the 5th place was saved by the free 3495X 'Sapphire Rapids' massive Physics score🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5227670_splave_3dmark___time_spy_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_20721_marks And then you have him here. @Mr. FoxDoes it mean he have avesome card if he only run the card with ECC Disabed?😁 Btw... He use a Rog Strix card, Hmmm Ruining laptops with BGA filth wasn't enough. When people with brain damage are allowed to make decisions that affect people that are not afflicted with the same kind of mental, ethical and moral defects, this is how things turn out. Welcome to 2023. This is what happens when stupidity is given permission to thrive. 2 3 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: Ruining laptops with BGA filth wasn't enough. When people with brain damage are allowed to make decisions that affect people that do not afflicted with the same kind of mental, ethical and moral defects, this is how things turn out. Welcome to 2023. Where is Dell, Lenovo and Clevo? They also offer Turd's. AW is only a sub brand of Dell😀 You have to fix it bro @Mr. Fox This is only half baked, LOOL 1 3 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Papusan said: Where is Dell, Lenovo and Clevo? They also offer Turd's. AW is only a sub brand of Dell😀 You have to fix it bro @Mr. Fox That is a very old image, so it does need to be updated. I need to add Intel, AMD, NVIDIA and Apple logos as well. They are all conspirators in the Techtarded Clown Mafia, and all of them are brokers of extreme stupidity. 1 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 13 hours ago, Vasudev said: Does enabling HAGS in Win 10/11 improve the score when paired with Game Mode? 1-2 FPS at most with 4090 from what I have seen in YouTube videos (several games tested). Nothing to write home to mama about. But I’m not the serious gamer so… Just read Fox post above. 2 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Papusan said: 3060 desktop card was 170w TGP or 48% higher than the new and shiny from nvidia with LESS VRAM AND CORES. As you can see... The whole card is dumb-ed down as the mobile junk. When you cripple the card you have to do it properly. Everything has to be castrated. They just can't do it halfway. Intel on the other hand.... And why they put in Baby cores for majority of their mainstram chips... Intel Xeon W9-3495X Sapphire Rapids CPU Sips Almost 2 Kilowatts of Power When Overclocked Me visit Nvidia HQ.... I appreciate Intel have to fight with the tools they have at their disposal, but Sapphire Rapids is broadly a fail vs AMD EPYC Genoa. A dual Xeon system gets beaten by a single AMD CPU. Just like they failed with the 13900K - a CPU which requires delidding out of the box for serious use. 6 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylix Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Good old win11🤣 https://www.techradar.com/news/windows-11-could-be-stealth-nerfing-graphics-cards-even-the-rtx-4090 2 1 5 7950X3D| Zotac 4090 AMP Extreme Airo| MSI MPG B650 Edge Wifi| Lian Li Galahad 360 V2| 48GB GSkillTrident Z RGB 7600|Kingston KC3000 2TB| Fury Renegade 2TB| Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo| Corsair HX1500i| Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo Asus Zephyrus G15 (Ryzen 9 6900HS + RTX3080) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage Set Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Etern4l said: I appreciate Intel have to fight with the tools they have at their disposal, but Sapphire Rapids is broadly a fail vs AMD EPYC Genoa. A dual Xeon system gets beaten by a single AMD CPU. Just like they failed with the 13900K - a CPU which requires delidding out of the box for serious use. It is very true. In Enterprise, Intel products are getting murdered left and right. AMD's foothold in enterprise is growing faster than even the numbers reported in that video due to mindshare and as Linus pointed out, the contracts are saving Intel's butt right now. However, Intel has a chance in HEDT/Workstations if they just match AMD's prices (TR Pro). I am no longer going to buy AMD CPU's after what happened to TRX40, so I am crossing my fingers W790 is going to be good. 2 3 A Change Is Gonna Come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Etern4l said: Just like they failed with the 13900K - a CPU which requires delidding out of the box for serious use. See @Talon post below. I'm quite sure he never delidded his 13900K. Regarding failed CPU's... Rather look at AMD's higher tier V-cashe chips. It offer less productivity performance but slightly better in gaming. But if people like this type tradeoff's, then ok. It's their choice and their money. You can't please all. If you have oc'ing as hobby... Going with Intel will never fail. In short a more fun Cpu to play with despite the less appealing baby cores. On 3/16/2023 at 5:29 AM, Talon said: Stock clocks, undervolted, and running quiet fans on the 420m AIO. The core to core deltas are the best I've ever had. Initial results were about half as good. But after an afternoon of curing and results are amazing. Far better than my previous Gelid Extreme stuff. Best of all this stuff just paints on, easiest paste I've ever applied. 3 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Papusan said: See @Talon post below. I'm quite sure he never delidded his 13900K. Does bro @Talonrun it 24/7 close to full load? I was quite happy for the first 2 months or so. The 12900KS lasted 3 times as long in much more severe summer conditions with worse cooling. I'm not disputing Intel being a nice fun hobby platform though. Dealing with all the overheating, bending, plus risking ruining the CPU during a delid can be very exciting ;) 2 hours ago, Rage Set said: However, Intel has a chance in HEDT/Workstations if they just match AMD's prices (TR Pro). You can't run an EPYC in a workstation? The rule of thumb on Intel pricing seems to be take equivalent AMD price and multiply by 3: https://www.amd.com/en/processors/epyc-cpu-selector I would still prefer an Intel CPU due to Thunberbolt and better numerical software support, but boy do they need to up their game by a lot and fast. 5 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 I can't really speak to AMD's EPYC enterprise solutions, as I have no exposure to them and it is irrelevant in my personal space. If what I have experienced over the years with their consumer-oriented products is exemplary (probably not) their success in the enterprise space would be puzzling to me. My experience with the products geared toward consumers has generally seemed kind of half-baked and amateurish in terms of their execution. I would hope that is not tolerated in a commercial application. I also understand that they probably just assemble the parts, plug them in and put them to work, so heavy performance tuning and extracting better gaming and benchmarking results, and dealing with crummy/buggy firmware, software and driver support is probably a non-issue. It just needs to run and perform the task it was deployed to perform. 1 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage Set Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 36 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: I can't really speak to AMD's EPYC enterprise solutions, as I have no exposure to them and it is irrelevant in my personal space. If what I have experienced over the years with their consumer-oriented products is exemplary (probably not) their success in the enterprise space would be puzzling to me. My experience with the products geared toward consumers has generally seemed kind of half-baked and amateurish in terms of their execution. I would hope that is not tolerated in a commercial application. I also understand that they probably just assemble the parts, plug them in and put them to work, so heavy performance tuning and extracting better gaming and benchmarking results, and dealing with crummy/buggy firmware, software and driver support is probably a non-issue. It just needs to run and perform the task it was deployed to perform. Reliability and support are key in enterprise, as you likely have assumed. So far, in my experience using AMD in enterprise, they are surprisingly as reliable as Intel [once] you get through any bugs. That said, Intel is still overall, better in support. Although, some of my peers will argue that is only due to Intel's historic ironclad vertical integration. 3 1 A Change Is Gonna Come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KING19 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 21 hours ago, Papusan said: Weird if they haven't tested this under the developement/design before finished product. But yep, older high end PC boxes used the rads the way you describe when they had a radiator chamber at bottom/top. Here is another failed product.... Same $500 price-tag if I buy one here home. If I can find one. Review: Acer Predator BiFrost Intel Arc A770 OC. Yep, a OC card in the naming but no way to alter memory speed. https://en.overclocking.com/review-acer-predator-bifrost-intel-arc-a770-oc/11/ Step 3: Manual overclocking To do this, we went back to the Intel drivers and the software that allows you to set up and monitor your graphics card. We were able to push the Boost frequency to 2580 MHz while keeping the fan in automatic mode. Unfortunately, there is still no way to change the memory frequency. It’s a very good thing that overclocking is easier than at launch, hoping to see the memory frequency unlocked in the coming weeks. The 3rd and 4th bad products for the day... NVIDIA RTX 4060 (Ti) Founders Edition has allegedly pictured videocardz.com Why castrate the TGP in same way as nvidia do for their mobile graphics cards? Whats the reason do this for lower tier desktop card when they increased TGP for their flagship? Reduce the useful lifspan so people/gamers is forced to buy next gen cards at launch day ---- 5060 with even more castrated TGP? The direction going the wrong way for desktop cards as they have done for power castration for mobile cards in laptops. This is just sad. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-founders-edition-has-been-pictured-as-well What is up with the castration with the 40 series especially with the mid range GPUs. The laptop versions are bad enough but this is just an insult. There are really pushing for DLSS 3/Frame Generation hard as selling points even though a lot of games dont support them as of yet..... 4 1 Current Laptop: Lenovo Legion 5: AMD Ryzen 7 4800H 2.8Ghz (Boost: 4.2Ghz), 6GB Nvidia Geforce GTX 1660Ti GDDR6 Memory, 15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) 144Hz IPS display, 32GB 3200MHz DDR4 memory, 512GB M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, 1 TB Teamgroup MP34 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, Windows 10 Home 22H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenoroon Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Adapter came, and it isn't looking too good... There are no standoffs to actually screw the MXM card into the board and no instruction manual or guide whatsoever, just the adapter, 8 pin Clevo power adapter, and a bracket to mount in a case. The little L shaped part of the PCB on the bottom is shaped weird, and won't allow the card to sit right with some of my motherboards. I also noticed that some of the ICs on the back appear to be sanded so that you can't read waht model they are. I assume they did this as they are either stolen designs, or don't want anyone re-manufacturing this board from the ground up. I haven't tested it yet as my monitor is terrible and doesn't like detecting desktops before they get into the BIOS, so I usually get no picture, even with boards I know work. The only display I can use to test is my downstairs TV, but my family is usually down there, so I will have to wait until late at night to test everything. I really hope this POS works, it is NOT worth 150 dollars, but its the only adapter that is made... I am yet again forced to settle for garbage, something I refuse to do unless it is the only option 😞 This is a bit off-topic, but I thought I'd mention it with the topic of this poorly built adapter: Spoiler This is just something that I feel needs to be said more often, but everyone here, please strive for excellence (even though I know all of you guys here are doing this greatly). Alright is never good enough, so please take some pride in doing the best you can in regards to anything. With everything in the tech world going on right now and just life in general, I wish that more people would strive for excellence. I see too much wasted potential and selfish people/groups who do not care about anything and are willing to do things in a way that is more beneficial to them. I believe that even if it isn't in your best interest, that doing things to assist others and make the world a better place makes the biggest difference, and if more people thought this way, that things as a whole would be a lot better. 7 1 Clevo P870TM-G: Core i7 8700k @ 4.8ghz | Clevo RTX 2070 Super | 32gb HyperX DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 17" 1440p 120hz B173QTN01.0 Screen | 256gb Samsung 850 EVO | 500gb WD Blue SSD | Prema BIOS Alienware 17 R1: Core i7 4710mq @ 3.619ghz 741 CBR15 (834 CBR15 @ 4.213ghz) | Dell GTX 860m | 16gb HyperX DDR3L @ 2133mhz | 17" 3D 120hz LTN173HT02-T01 Screen | 256gb mSATA SSD Asus Zephyrus G14: Ryzen 7 4800hs @ 4.2ghz | GTX 1650 | 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 14" 120hz LM140LF1F01 Screen | 512gb NVME SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 lol yeah that is kinda off topic lol. So I was at the zoo yesterday I took some nice pics thought i'd share in the 'desktop benchmarking thread' lol. it's all good man, what card are you getting? 1 ZEUS-COMING SOON Omen 16 2021 Zenbook 14 oled Vivobook 15x oled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 35 minutes ago, Tenoroon said: Adapter came, and it isn't looking too good... There are no standoffs to actually screw the MXM card into the board and no instruction manual or guide whatsoever, just the adapter, 8 pin Clevo power adapter, and a bracket to mount in a case. The little L shaped part of the PCB on the bottom is shaped weird, and won't allow the card to sit right with some of my motherboards. I also noticed that some of the ICs on the back appear to be sanded so that you can't read waht model they are. I assume they did this as they are either stolen designs, or don't want anyone re-manufacturing this board from the ground up. I haven't tested it yet as my monitor is terrible and doesn't like detecting desktops before they get into the BIOS, so I usually get no picture, even with boards I know work. The only display I can use to test is my downstairs TV, but my family is usually down there, so I will have to wait until late at night to test everything. I really hope this POS works, it is NOT worth 150 dollars, but its the only adapter that is made... I am yet again forced to settle for garbage, something I refuse to do unless it is the only option 😞 This is a bit off-topic, but I thought I'd mention it with the topic of this poorly built adapter: Reveal hidden contents This is just something that I feel needs to be said more often, but everyone here, please strive for excellence (even though I know all of you guys here are doing this greatly). Alright is never good enough, so please take some pride in doing the best you can in regards to anything. With everything in the tech world going on right now and just life in general, I wish that more people would strive for excellence. I see too much wasted potential and selfish people/groups who do not care about anything and are willing to do things in a way that is more beneficial to them. I believe that even if it isn't in your best interest, that doing things to assist others and make the world a better place makes the biggest difference, and if more people thought this way, that things as a whole would be a lot better. Tape! Zip Tie! Pending the orientation even a counter weight could do the job Though to be fair, Im a function over form school of thought. 1 2 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenoroon Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Reciever said: Tape! Zip Tie! Pending the orientation even a counter weight could do the job Though to be fair, Im a function over form school of thought. Yeah, thats what I plan on doing. I can hold the MXM card in the slot, but 1 availble hand is worse than 2 lol. I'll probably zip tie my 880m to the adapter. My order I will be going in is 880m -> 860m -> 1080 I will start with the 880m because if this adapter is bad, I don't risk killing a working card. I will test voltages of Vcore and PEX while it's in the adapter to ensure it its getting some kind of power. I'll then stick in the 860m to test if it can show a picture as I know that thing works, if it does end up getting that far, I'll take out my 1080 in my P870 and stick it in there to test if it will work with the Clevo cards that require the added 8 power connector. If it works with the 1080, I will ship it over to NorthwestRepair alongside the 2080. I'd like to test the 2080, but diagnosing MXM cards is hard (especially those Clevo ones.) The fact that when I tried testing it in the P870 and the computer shut off really quickly seems to be a message discouraging me from sticking the 2080 into this adapter. The P870 knows more than I do, and if I can guarantee that this adapter works, I'd hate to kill it OR burn a hole in the 2080. Dead adapter won't be fun, and a hole in the 2080 is a lot less fun than that, you can fix the adapter, but not holes... 40 minutes ago, ryan said: lol yeah that is kinda off topic lol. So I was at the zoo yesterday I took some nice pics thought i'd share in the 'desktop benchmarking thread' lol. it's all good man, what card are you getting? I'm trying to repair a dead RTX 2080 Super MXM that I purchased from the kind @electrosoft 🙂 For convenience of the guy doing the repair, I will send him this adapter with the card as he doesn't have any other way to test MXM GPUs sadly. 2 Clevo P870TM-G: Core i7 8700k @ 4.8ghz | Clevo RTX 2070 Super | 32gb HyperX DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 17" 1440p 120hz B173QTN01.0 Screen | 256gb Samsung 850 EVO | 500gb WD Blue SSD | Prema BIOS Alienware 17 R1: Core i7 4710mq @ 3.619ghz 741 CBR15 (834 CBR15 @ 4.213ghz) | Dell GTX 860m | 16gb HyperX DDR3L @ 2133mhz | 17" 3D 120hz LTN173HT02-T01 Screen | 256gb mSATA SSD Asus Zephyrus G14: Ryzen 7 4800hs @ 4.2ghz | GTX 1650 | 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 14" 120hz LM140LF1F01 Screen | 512gb NVME SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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